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"Greek" riots spreading over Europe
« on: December 20, 2008, 08:03:48 PM »
'Greek Syndrome' is catching as youth take to streets
First it was Athens. Now the Continent's disillusioned youth is taking to the streets across Europe. John Lichfield reports
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/greek-syndrome-is-catching-as-youth-take-to-streets-1205001.html
Europe exists, it appears. If Greek students sneeze, or catch a whiff of tear-gas, young people take to the streets in France and now Sweden. Yesterday, masked youths threw two firebombs at the French Institute in Athens. Windows were smashed but the building was not seriously damaged. Then youths spray-painted two slogans on the building. One said, "Spark in Athens. Fire in Paris. Insurrection is coming". The other read, "France, Greece, uprising everywhere".
It was a calculated and violent attempt to link disparate youth protest movements. Links between protests in Greece and France – and, to a lesser degree, unrest in Sweden – may seem tenuous, even non-existent. But social and political ailments and their symptoms transmit as rapidly as influenza in the television, internet and text-message age.

With Europe, and the world, pitching headlong into a deep recession, the "Greek Syndrome", as one French official calls it, was already being monitored with great care across the European Union. The attempt to politicise and link the disputes across EU frontiers may prove to be a random act of self-dramatisation by an isolated group on the Greek far left. But it does draw attention to the similarities – and many differences – between the simultaneous outbreaks of unrest in three EU countries.

Thousands of young Greeks have been rioting on and off for almost two weeks. They are protesting against the chaotic, and often corrupt, social and political system of a country still torn between European "modernity" and a muddled Balkan past. They can be said, in that sense, to be truly revolting.

The riots began with a mostly "anarchist" protest against the killing of a 15-year-old boy by police but spread to other left-wing groups, immigrants and at times, it seemed, almost every urban Greek aged between 18 and 30. The protesters claim that they belong to a sacrificed "€600" generation, doomed to work forever for low monthly salaries. French lycée (sixth-form) students took to the street in their tens of thousands this week and last to protest against modest, proposed changes in the school system and the "natural wastage" of a handful of teaching posts. In other words, they were engaged in a typical French revolution of modern times: a conservative-left-wing revolt, not for change but against it. The lycée students are, broadly, in favour of the status quo in schools, although they admit the cumbersome French education system does not serve them well.

But behind the unrest lie three other factors: a deep disaffection from the French political system; a hostility to capitalism and "globalism" and the ever-simmering unrest in the poor, multiracial suburbs of French cities.

In Malmo on Thursday night, young people threw stones at police and set fire to cars and rubbish bins. This appears to have been mostly a local revolt by disaffected immigrant and second-generation immigrant youths, joined by leftist white youths, against the closure of an Islamic cultural centre. As in Greece and France, the Swedish authorities believe the troubles have been encouraged, and magnified, by political forces of the far left.

There may be little direct connection between the events in the three countries but they were already connected in the minds of EU governments before yesterday's attack on the French cultural institute. The French President, Nicolas Sarkozy, forced his education minister, Xavier Darcos, to delay, then abandon his planned reform of the lycée system this week. Why the change? Largely because of the events in Greece, French officials say. There was a heated debate in the Elysée Palace last weekend. One faction of advisers and ministers wanted to push ahead with the school reforms (already much watered down). Another faction was disturbed at signs that the lycée protests, although relatively limited, were spinning out of control.

The student leaders were no longer in charge of their troops, they said. Violent elements were joining the marches from the poor, multi-racial suburbs. Far left and anarchist agitators were said to be getting involved. With the Greek riots on the TV every night, and the French economy heading into freefall, the officials feared the lycée protests could spark something much wider and more violent.

President Sarkozy agreed to give way. The lycée protests went ahead anyway. There were more students on the streets of French cities on Thursday, after the government backed down, than there were last week when the education minister insisted that he would press ahead. A few cars were burnt and overturned in Lyons and Lille and a score of protesters were arrested but the marches were mostly peaceful.

Students interviewed on the streets of Paris refused to accept that the reforms had been withdrawn. President Sarkozy was not in control, they said. He was "under orders from Brussels and Washington". The real motive was to take money out of the French education budget to "refloat the banks".

The Greek, French and Swedish protests do have common characteristics: a contempt for governments and business institutions, deepened by the greed-fired meltdown of the banks; a loose, uneasy alliance between mostly, white left-wing students and young second-generation immigrants; the sense of being part of a "sacrificed generation".
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Re: "Greek" riots spreading over Europe
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2008, 08:19:46 PM »
Even though I lived in Ireland for two years, I don't get Europeans.
How can they hate "capitalism"?' they have never experienced it.
Why would a European business hire anyone if it illegal to fire them?
Why work if you could be fed and have TV and internet and food your whole life?
It seems to me that it will all collapse on itself, they make running a biz really difficult, defending yourself illegal and pay for generations and generations to exist on welfare.
I think they instinctively know something is wrong, they don't know what it is, so they blame "Bush-ism"
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Re: "Greek" riots spreading over Europe
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2008, 09:20:29 PM »
France.

Riot.

Burn cars.

YAAAAAWWWWNNNN!

They do that regularly in France anyway. Don't the youth of today even have any imagination?
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Re: "Greek" riots spreading over Europe
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2008, 09:27:54 PM »
the last time I was in Vegas it was very tempting to burn someones car in the "Paris" casino/hotel parking lot.
Of course these things are just merely tempting, not carried out.
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Re: "Greek" riots spreading over Europe
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2008, 10:18:39 PM »
the last time I was in Vegas it was very tempting to burn someones car in the "Paris" casino/hotel parking lot.
Of course these things are just merely tempting, not carried out.

I smiled when I read that.

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Re: "Greek" riots spreading over Europe
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2008, 11:23:26 PM »
Are they gonna blame these new riots on fascists, too?

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Re: "Greek" riots spreading over Europe
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2008, 02:26:23 AM »
the last time I was in Vegas it was very tempting to burn someones car in the "Paris" casino/hotel parking lot.
Of course these things are just merely tempting, not carried out.

Probably a good idea (re not carried out), the casino/hotel probably has a larger, better equipt security force than all of Paris does.
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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2008, 03:44:34 AM »
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Re: "Greek" riots spreading over Europe
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2008, 04:32:34 AM »
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...behind the unrest lie three other factors: a deep disaffection from the French political system; a hostility to capitalism and "globalism" and the ever-simmering unrest in the poor, multiracial suburbs of French cities.

Oh. Just your average bunch of looters.
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Re: "Greek" riots spreading over Europe
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2008, 04:36:37 AM »
(1)Even though I lived in Ireland for two years, I don't get Europeans.
(2)How can they hate "capitalism"?' they have never experienced it.
(3)Why would a European business hire anyone if it illegal to fire them?
(4)Why work if you could be fed and have TV and internet and food your whole life?
(5)It seems to me that it will all collapse on itself, they make running a biz really difficult, defending yourself illegal and pay for generations and generations to exist on welfare.
(6)I think they instinctively know something is wrong, they don't know what it is, so they blame "Bush-ism"
1: I'm born in Europe, and I've lived here for my entire life. I don't get most of my fellow Europeans either. I  was definetly born on the wrong continent.
2: The leftists over here hate everyone who is successful. Sort of like Atlas Shrugged, although I don't think many of them realize it.
3: The problem is that all too often, people just turn lazy, call in "sick" and there's nothing that can be done about it for quite some time.
4: Pride, and the knowledge that I'm better than the chronically lazy.
5: It will. I hope I'm on the other side of the Atlantic ocean by then.
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Re: "Greek" riots spreading over Europe
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2008, 04:53:15 AM »
thanks Viking, it is good to hear your perspective.
Politicians and bureaucrats are considered productive if they swarm the populace like a plague of locust, devouring all substance in their path and leaving a swath of destruction like a firestorm. The technical term is "bipartisanship".
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Re: "Greek" riots spreading over Europe
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2008, 05:08:40 AM »
thanks Viking, it is good to hear your perspective.
Also, something that I forgot to mention, that just goes to show how bloody stupid the leftards are: The recent riots in Malmö has been over a place called the Islamic Center or somesuch. Basically, they couldn't grasp the concept of "firecodes" (ie don't shove in too many people into the bloody place) and "you can't redesign/rebuild it if you are renting it". So they got evicted. Now, these folks are apparently some hardcore, nutcase extremists. Extremists as in "beat up a woman and her two little girls for not being covered"-extremist. And here's the tragicomical part of it. The various leftist groups, mainly AFA (Anti Fascist Action) who claim to be against sexism, religion etc, are fighting on the same side as the religious nutcases. They simply turn a blind eye towards some of the more unpleasant aspects of the stuff that's been going on in this center. Useful idiots, the whole lot of them.
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Re: "Greek" riots spreading over Europe
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2008, 07:47:18 AM »
Why are the French calling it the "Greek Syndrome" when youth riots really got started in France?... ???
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Re: "Greek" riots spreading over Europe
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2008, 08:20:04 AM »
My very first thought on reading this, only half in jest, was, "What does a leftist have to protest in Europe?"  :|
Viking, it was very interesting to read your thoughts on this topic.

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Re: "Greek" riots spreading over Europe
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2008, 08:55:52 AM »
Why are the French calling it the "Greek Syndrome" when youth riots really got started in France?... ???
Youth riots aren't exactly anything new. IIRC, the UK had pretty bad riots during the 80's, there's been a lot of it in Copenhagen around Jagtveg 69, after the leftists got evicted from their then squatted youth house, there was some fierce riots during the EU summit in Gothenburg in 2001, you name it. Many of the riots we see now are most likely because they sympathize with the leftards in Greece.

My very first thought on reading this, only half in jest, was, "What does a leftist have to protest in Europe?"  :|
Viking, it was very interesting to read your thoughts on this topic.

There's always something to protest. Nationalist groups honoring a dead and protesting against racist violence directed towards ethnic Swedes for example (The Salem March in Stockholm for example). Then there's always some EU summit, or some stupid Reclaim The Street-protest, and a myriad of other things to be upset about.
Thanks for the kind words, I'll try to update with more of my thoughts, and news as they arrive. It's fairly quiet in Malmö at the moment, but I won't be surprised if we see more *expletive deleted*it brewing up. After all, it's soon New Years Eve, and I've got a feeling the cultural enrichers will celebrate by torching *expletive deleted*it and shot fireworks at firefighters/paramedics etc.
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Re: "Greek" riots spreading over Europe
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2008, 09:20:51 AM »
During the dark days of the Cold War, I used to worry about what the "Youth" or "Students" did in Europe.  Now, not so much.

Gunsmith, Viking, thanks for the insights.  It seems that an oppressively large, overly encompassing Nanny-state may not be a cure for all that ails us.  I wonder if anybody else has considered this? =|
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Re: "Greek" riots spreading over Europe
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2008, 09:41:05 AM »
During the dark days of the Cold War, I used to worry about what the "Youth" or "Students" did in Europe.  Now, not so much.

Gunsmith, Viking, thanks for the insights.  It seems that an oppressively large, overly encompassing Nanny-state may not be a cure for all that ails us.  I wonder if anybody else has considered this? =|

Funny you should say that. The Nanny State has provided the inhabitants in this area with so many things, like basketball courts, football (Euro, not your sissy-rugby kind :laugh:) fields, youth centers, etc. Despite this, they still complain that "we don't have anything to do", and expect us to take care of them. What are they, a bunch of imbecille dogs, who needs a master to activate them and throw balls for them to catch? :mad:. Heck, I was bored when I was a kid/teenager as well, but I didn't go around torching cars or robbing people because of this. When I was a kid, me and my friends cleared up some old dirtbike tracks in the forest (those were the days, a bunch of kids walking around with knifes, axe, saw and sledgehammer all by themselves =D. Wonder if that still happens?)
When I got older, I went to shows, freezing my ass off most of the time, but also had a good time just drinking beer and enjoying the music. Strangely enough, I managed to stay out of trouble, and keep from torching cars. Obviously I should've done this, since it seems this is vital to the upbringing of a kid these days.
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Re: "Greek" riots spreading over Europe
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2008, 09:50:04 AM »
During the dark days of the Cold War, I used to worry about what the "Youth" or "Students" did in Europe.  Now, not so much.

Yeah, the "Arab street," the Euro street    :rolleyes:
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« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2008, 09:52:00 AM »
Probably a good idea (re not carried out), the casino/hotel probably has a larger, better equipt security force than all of Paris does.

And here in Nevada, our police force plays for keeps, just ask OJ.
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« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2008, 01:06:27 PM »
And here in Nevada, our police force plays for keeps, just ask OJ.

Well, unless you're "the silver nugget shooter"
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Re: "Greek" riots spreading over Europe
« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2008, 03:07:18 AM »
Thanks for the kind words, I'll try to update with more of my thoughts, and news as they arrive. It's fairly quiet in Malmö at the moment, but I won't be surprised if we see more *expletive deleted*it brewing up. After all, it's soon New Years Eve, and I've got a feeling the cultural enrichers will celebrate by torching *expletive deleted*it and shot fireworks at firefighters/paramedics etc.

According to Reuters riots have hit the Malmö suburb of Rosengard. 

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo/081219/ids_photos_wl/r541482856.jpg/

Guess your prediction was right.

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Re: "Greek" riots spreading over Europe
« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2008, 10:19:55 AM »
According to Reuters riots have hit the Malmö suburb of Rosengard. 

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo/081219/ids_photos_wl/r541482856.jpg/

Guess your prediction was right.

Stay safe, man.  Nothing ruins a holiday season like a brick upside the head...

Not really, it's where it's been since it started. Fortunatly I'm a long way from that hell-hole. Haven't read about any *expletive deleted*it being pulled today, although evening isn't here yet. Seems to be quiet at the moment, although I read yesterday that people working with the home-care of elderly were afraid to go anywhere near the area. They got jackets stating that they were medical personel, as if that will help, it's not as if ambulances & firefighters hasn't been pelted with rocks & fireworks on earlier occasions. You know the place is bad when even the cops refuse to go in without police escort! (Yep, totally serious. One car to investigate whatever the monkey-brains are up to at the moment, and another car to watch over the first one!)
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Re: "Greek" riots spreading over Europe
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2008, 05:02:00 PM »
Well, an update: Some riots, gang activity and arson are now reported in the Tensta suburb of Stockholm. Not surprising, only a matter of time before it spread further. Firetrucks are attacked by the usual gangs of stone throwing monkey-brains. Unfortunatly, the Piketgroup cops in Stockholm are reportedly down in Malmö, assisting their colleagues there. Wonder how this will end...
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Re: "Greek" riots spreading over Europe
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2008, 05:07:52 PM »
Well, an update: Some riots, gang activity and arson are now reported in the Tensta suburb of Stockholm. Not surprising, only a matter of time before it spread further. Firetrucks are attacked by the usual gangs of stone throwing monkey-brains. Unfortunatly, the Piketgroup cops in Stockholm are reportedly down in Malmö, assisting their colleagues there. Wonder how this will end...

What are the Swedish laws on domestic usage of military units in riot suppression?
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Re: "Greek" riots spreading over Europe
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2008, 05:10:23 PM »
I keep reading the title as "Geek Riots..." and I wonder who took away their WOW.

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