Shots fired from world's first 3D-printed gun

[AZRedhawk44]

Looks like they're trying to shut it down using ITAR:

http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/09/state-department-cracks-down-on-3d-weapo

 

All they're going to accomplish is prove how pointless the notion of The State is.  This will go the way of encryption and GPL. Might as well attack BitCoin with ITAR, while they're at it.

You can't stop the signal, Mal.

[AZRedhawk44]

[birdman]

Looks like they're trying to shut it down using ITAR:

http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/09/state-department-cracks-down-on-3d-weapo

Revdisk: Any idea if the State Department has a case?

Wow.  I've seen the ITAR list and rules and had to go through dealing with it, and I can state pretty categorically, that single-shot, small caliber, low lifetime pistols are no where on it.

Basically, there isn't a "zip gun" category.  And any ITAR restrictions on information/plans are on those areas where the information would be considered to give a foreign military an advantage.  In this case, I fervently HOPE militaries attempt to equip their armies with this.

Though, this sets a potentially bad precedent if it holds up.  It IS an ITAR issue to export various other small arms.  Does that mean that the template plans for an AR lower are now ITAR restricted, as an M-4 IS an ITAR restricted item?

[freakazoid]

Looks like they're trying to shut it down using ITAR:

http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/09/state-department-cracks-down-on-3d-weapo

Revdisk: Any idea if the State Department has a case?

From the comment section

Fist of Etiquette| 5.9.13 @ 3:08PM |#
Is Wilson looking at jail time from this? Federal prosecutors aren't known to pass up a juicy opportunity.

tarran| 5.9.13 @ 3:20PM |#
No.

DCAD is the UDT team that just landed on the beach to prep it for the main amphibious invasion that's just over the horizon.

The Federal Govt are the well fed Japanese troops that have dug in to defend the island. Their commander has read his Sun Tzu and is not going to make the same mistake the Duke of Sung made.

He is opening fire with a precious artillery battery in hopes of killing the UDT team without attracting devastating counterfire.

And, if the Federal Judges have any fidelity to the law (doubtful in light of their deference to claims of national security and executive privilege), the artillery piece will be ineffective, and the counterfire will clear the island of artillery.

Fist of Etiquette| 5.9.13 @ 3:29PM |#
Thanks, but can you put that in terms of the European Theatre instead?

Smilin' Joe Fission| 5.9.13 @ 3:41PM |#
I would be more interested to hear it in terms of African tribal warfare pre colonialism.

Brandon| 5.9.13 @ 4:37PM |#
Click click click.

Paul.| 5.9.13 @ 3:43PM |#
France has surrendered.

TANSTaaFL| 5.9.13 @ 4:34PM |#
+ 3 (Franco-Prussian, WWI, WWII)

 

[AJ Dual]

Yes, I remember when it was all about encryption PGP etc. And you could "Violate ITAR" by clicking a button on a web page and it would move a block of code VIA FTP between the U.S. and some other country. 

[Ben]

Plans have been removed from website (at least from the distribution site the designer was using). After a week of being available for download, good luck removing it from the rest of the interwebz.

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/05/09/dod-forces-3d-gun-printer-defense-distributed-to-pull-weapon-specs-off-website/

[Regolith]

After a week of being available for download, good luck removing it from the rest of the interwebz.

Yup. It's on Pirate Bay, and at least two gun bloggers that I know of are hosting the file.

http://blog.robballen.com/Post/13147/liberator-firearm

http://blog.joehuffman.org/2013/05/08/cant-stop-the-signal-with-crypto-hashes/

Getting rid of something like this once it gets released into the wild is a bit like trying to kill a hydra; for every host you stomp, two or three more pop up in its place.

[AJ Dual]

I think he took it down just so he has standing in any potential lawsuits against the fed.gov. 

[Perd Hapley]

I think he took it down just so he has standing in any potential lawsuits against the fed.gov. 

And it supports his view, that gun control cannot work. The govt. has effectively shut him down, but the gun is still out there.

[AmbulanceDriver]

both the liberator file and mega pack 4.2 are truly in the wild now...  They're on tpb and other torrent sites....     

[DustinD]

There have been numerous advances and updates to this topic. The liberator design has been ported to the cheaper $600 rep-raps, and have fired ten rounds before failure. Someone is working on a Phillip Luty type sub machine gun on an AR-15 lower. Liberators have been popping up everywhere, as have various AR-15 lower based rifles. I copied links to all of the relevant The Truth About Guns articles, the comments are also often worth reading.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/05/foghorn/liberator-modified-successfully-tested-for-printing-on-cheap-3d-printers

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/05/foghorn/download-while-you-can-3d-printable-ar-15-ps-90-combination
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/05/foghorn/coming-soon-3d-printable-ar-15-lower-with-p-90-style-stock

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/05/daniel-zimmerman/from-defcad-org-introducing-the-shuty-9
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/05/daniel-zimmerman/quote-of-the-day-fantods-inflicting-edition

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/05/jack-baruth/the-3-d-printed-liberator-a-mettle-detector-for-american-society

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/05/foghorn/defdist-liberators-continue-being-printed-improved-and-shared-across-the-world

The examiner has tons of articles on the topic of the Liberator, technology, gun control, and the undetectable firearms act, but there aren't as many comments to their articles. Here is one of the better recent ones.
http://www.examiner.com/article/atf-responds-to-growing-interest-3-d-printer-guns

There was also a FAQ about 3D printing on the ATF website, and a letter to the ATF from Rep Edward J Markey (D-Mass) that caused it. I attached one, and linked to a copy on my website for the other. I can't seem to find either on the ATF website now.
atf-gun-printing.pdf

[AJ Dual]

Hee hee hee...