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Title: Alien Covenant
Post by: Ben on August 31, 2017, 09:25:35 AM
I just watched this stinker last night. They should have named it, "Imbeciles in Space". At least Prometheus had good visuals. This may in fact be the worst installment of the Alien franchise. I can only surmise that Ridley Scott is suffering severe dementia (or perhaps greed).

From five minutes into the movie, I couldn't care less about a single character. They were all practically just part of the background. It was a crew of whiny and undisciplined 15 year olds. Also, without giving spoilers, if the events of this installment exist, then Alien cannot exist. In fact none of the movies pre Prometheus can exist.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: K Frame on August 31, 2017, 09:28:03 AM
Just freaking great.

Two movies this year that I had high hopes for and which have apparently been just bags of suck wrapped in crap.

I swear to God if Blade Runner 2049 sucks as bad as Alien Covenant and The Dark Tower have, I'm going to rampage through downtown Burbank.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: Ben on August 31, 2017, 09:32:22 AM

I swear to God if Blade Runner 2049 sucks as bad as Alien Covenant and The Dark Tower have, I'm going to rampage through downtown Burbank.

The Dark Tower sucked? Damn. I was looking forward to watching it.

As for the new Bladerunner movie, as I was reading reviews to see how many other people hated Alien Covenant (a lot!)  I ran into the disconcerting news that one of the lead writers for Alien Covenant is a lead writer for Bladerunner 2049. Please let's keep in touch for the Burbank rampage.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: dogmush on August 31, 2017, 09:34:39 AM
What possible engineering reason is there to have a flamethrower vent in a cryosleep pod? The movie went downhill from there. If Scott messes up Bladerunner, he may have to leave the country and live in hiding for the rest of his life.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: RevDisk on August 31, 2017, 09:42:10 AM


I heard two things about Covenant. It sucked horribly, and the space suit designs are great.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: K Frame on August 31, 2017, 09:58:16 AM
"The Dark Tower sucked? Damn. I was looking forward to watching it."

A "solid" 16% on Rotten Tomatoes.

Lots of lines about how whomever was responsible for writing the movie wasted Idris Elba's abilities (which are pretty damned formidable).



" Please let's keep in touch for the Burbank rampage."

OK, but dibs on the Giant Wolf.

You can be the ape or the lizard. Don't care.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: mtnbkr on August 31, 2017, 10:02:52 AM
" Please let's keep in touch for the Burbank rampage."

OK, but dibs on the Giant Wolf.

You can be the ape or the lizard. Don't care.

Ha!  Took me a bit to get what you were referring to. :D

Chris
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: Ben on August 31, 2017, 10:17:45 AM
I swear to God, I need to just stick with my old timey movies. I don't know what the hell is going on with these $100 million dollar movies that all suck. You always expect that there's going to be a bunch of crappy movies made every year, balanced out by some good and a few great ones. In recent years, I have to wonder what happened to the great ones.

I don't know if I can even come up with 5-6 movies I've watched in the last couple of years that I can give two thumbs up to. 13 Hours and Sicario come to mind immediately, but then I have to start thinking to remember other good ones.

Sadly, or maybe it's a good thing, I look forward to a few of the SyFy series every year moreso than any movies coming out of Hollywood. Also The Last Ship is really good.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: Ben on August 31, 2017, 10:20:20 AM
Ha!  Took me a bit to get what you were referring to. :D

Chris

I had to look it up, but I'll be the ape.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: MechAg94 on August 31, 2017, 11:22:15 AM
I swear to God, I need to just stick with my old timey movies. I don't know what the hell is going on with these $100 million dollar movies that all suck. You always expect that there's going to be a bunch of crappy movies made every year, balanced out by some good and a few great ones. In recent years, I have to wonder what happened to the great ones.

I don't know if I can even come up with 5-6 movies I've watched in the last couple of years that I can give two thumbs up to. 13 Hours and Sicario come to mind immediately, but then I have to start thinking to remember other good ones.

Sadly, or maybe it's a good thing, I look forward to a few of the SyFy series every year moreso than any movies coming out of Hollywood. Also The Last Ship is really good.
What gets me is that these people still get hired.  I guess rich guys just keep throwing money at this crap without making any effort at quality control.  If a writer does a movie that sucks, why would anyone hire them again?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: CypherNinja on August 31, 2017, 11:55:14 AM
" Please let's keep in touch for the Burbank rampage."

OK, but dibs on the Giant Wolf.

You can be the ape or the lizard. Don't care.

LOL, I'll be Lizzie, as usual. (I loved that game as a kid)

Your post got me searching it out of nostalgia, and I found out they just started filming a movie. I know it'll suck, but I want to see it anyway.  [ar15]
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: TommyGunn on August 31, 2017, 12:05:32 PM
I just watched this stinker last night. They should have named it, "Imbeciles in Space". At least Prometheus had good visuals. This may in fact be the worst installment of the Alien franchise. I can only surmise that Ridley Scott is suffering severe dementia (or perhaps greed).

From five minutes into the movie, I couldn't care less about a single character. They were all practically just part of the background. It was a crew of whiny and undisciplined 15 year olds. Also, without giving spoilers, if the events of this installment exist, then Alien cannot exist. In fact none of the movies pre Prometheus can exist.

I saw the blu-ray version a couple weks ago.  The visuals, I thought, were pretty good.  But pretty pictures, while nice, do not make for a good movie.  The story was  ...   well.... we should (1.) know better than to trust a robot, (2.)  know better than to allow our spaceship to become distracted by mysterious space radio signals.
While I am unsure how this film negates the possibility of the earlier ALIEN franchises, I am perplexed at just how this film DOES fit in.  It appears to only fit in to its own stand-alone universe -- almost as if it were a "re-boot."  But I leave open the tiny possibility that some particularly imaginative writer might just be able to concoct some bizarre storyline that could 'splain the matter.   But I am being generous here.
OK, if you like nasty aliens erupting from peoples' guts....being chased around a spaceship by critters with nasty pharyngeal jaws that penetrate thick windows and human skulls in a single punch .... having a "face-hugger" impregnate clueless commanders...hey, the action is all there....mainly in the last part of the movie.

My vote:  STINKER.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: Ben on August 31, 2017, 12:28:00 PM
While I am unsure how this film negates the possibility of the earlier ALIEN franchises, I am perplexed at just how this film DOES fit in.  



Okay, for those who don't want a spoiler, I'll create some blank space:


















This movie shows that David created the alien pods. If he created the alien pods, then there was no way for the Nostromo crew to find a thousands of years old ship on LV-426 that contained alien pods. The only semi-semi-plausable explanation is that David replicated the genetic manipulation that led to pods. That's a bit farfetched though.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: K Frame on August 31, 2017, 12:37:35 PM
"Your post got me searching it out of nostalgia, and I found out they just started filming a movie. I know it'll suck, but I want to see it anyway."

Oh sweet merciful jeebus you have GOT to be kidding me....

Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: dogmush on August 31, 2017, 12:43:18 PM
What gets me is that these people still get hired.  I guess rich guys just keep throwing money at this crap without making any effort at quality control.  If a writer does a movie that sucks, why would anyone hire them again?

Everyone agrees that Alien Covenant was meh at best. But it grossed $232 million worldwide, against a $97 million budget. And that's why they get hired.  Crappy movies make money, pretty reliably.  If you need more evidence, see: Michael Bay and Transformers.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: TommyGunn on August 31, 2017, 12:44:06 PM

Okay, for those who don't want a spoiler, I'll create some blank space:





This movie shows that David created the alien pods. If he created the alien pods, then there was no way for the Nostromo crew to find a thousands of years old ship on LV-426 that contained alien pods. The only semi-semi-plausable explanation is that David replicated the genetic manipulation that led to pods. That's a bit farfetched though.

Was the spaceship on LV426 thousands of years old?   I must have missed the part where they carbon dated it.   I was wondering why the robot (Ash) on the Nostromo was so perplexed about what the facehugger was doing, since assuming David had designed the creatures, unless David never communicated anything back from the COVENANT (which seems odd to me), Ash ought to have known all along ....so too with the Weyland Co....and then, why send out an obviously unprepared crew to retrieve such a deadly species?  They might not have cared about the lives of the crew ...but why risk having the NOSTROMO return (if it did) full of vicious alien critters that eat everything or use everything to breed more vicious alien critters?   You want a BIOWEAPONGreat.  If you cannot control it, then it's as much a danger to you as to your enemies.
And other things, too.   The whole thing really does not fit together very well.  Atleast to me.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: CypherNinja on August 31, 2017, 12:56:45 PM
Oh sweet merciful jeebus you have GOT to be kidding me....

Read it and weep: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2231461/

Starring the Rock and everything.

ETA: and two screenwriters credited with rewrites.  :lol:
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: zahc on August 31, 2017, 01:02:16 PM
Just to pile on... Ghost in the Shell movie. I literally cannot imagine how you can fail so bad.

I have decided they don't actually make movies anymore, just trailers. Usually when I see one of these, I get the feeling that if they cut it a bit more it would be a decent trailer; there's just no actual movie.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: HeroHog on August 31, 2017, 03:52:10 PM
Just to pile on... Ghost in the Shell movie. I literally cannot imagine how you can fail so bad.

I have decided they don't actually make movies anymore, just trailers. Usually when I see one of these, I get the feeling that if they cut it a bit more it would be a decent trailer; there's just no actual movie.

You're REALLY gonna "love" Death Note, the live action version. [barf]
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: mtnbkr on August 31, 2017, 04:01:59 PM
You're REALLY gonna "love" Death Note, the live action version. [barf]

I watched that train wreck.  I didn't know it was a Japanese comic until after.  The entire time, I was thinking "WTF", but I persevered just to see what happened.

Chris
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: HeroHog on August 31, 2017, 05:34:39 PM
The anime of Death Note is great. Highly recommend it.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: Sideways_8 on August 31, 2017, 05:47:42 PM
Was the spaceship on LV426 thousands of years old?   I must have missed the part where they carbon dated it.   I was wondering why the robot (Ash) on the Nostromo was so perplexed about what the facehugger was doing, since assuming David had designed the creatures, unless David never communicated anything back from the COVENANT (which seems odd to me), Ash ought to have known all along ....so too with the Weyland Co....and then, why send out an obviously unprepared crew to retrieve such a deadly species?  They might not have cared about the lives of the crew ...but why risk having the NOSTROMO return (if it did) full of vicious alien critters that eat everything or use everything to breed more vicious alien critters?   You want a BIOWEAPONGreat.  If you cannot control it, then it's as much a danger to you as to your enemies.
And other things, too.   The whole thing really does not fit together very well.  Atleast to me.

Using aliens as a bio weapon and losing control? Wasn't that Alien: Resurrection?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: RevDisk on September 03, 2017, 09:59:33 PM
Just to pile on... Ghost in the Shell movie. I literally cannot imagine how you can fail so bad.

I have decided they don't actually make movies anymore, just trailers. Usually when I see one of these, I get the feeling that if they cut it a bit more it would be a decent trailer; there's just no actual movie.

I didn't think Ghost in the Shell was that bad.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: AJ Dual on September 03, 2017, 10:12:04 PM
Was the spaceship on LV426 thousands of years old?   I must have missed the part where they carbon dated it.   I was wondering why the robot (Ash) on the Nostromo was so perplexed about what the facehugger was doing, since assuming David had designed the creatures, unless David never communicated anything back from the COVENANT (which seems odd to me), Ash ought to have known all along ....so too with the Weyland Co....and then, why send out an obviously unprepared crew to retrieve such a deadly species?  They might not have cared about the lives of the crew ...but why risk having the NOSTROMO return (if it did) full of vicious alien critters that eat everything or use everything to breed more vicious alien critters?   You want a BIOWEAPON?  Great.  If you cannot control it, then it's as much a danger to you as to your enemies.
And other things, too.   The whole thing really does not fit together very well.  Atleast to me.

It also goes back to if all the Alien/Predator movies are considered to be cannon too. Because then the Xenomorph predates any of the events in the "Alien franchise".

Everyone agrees that Alien Covenant was meh at best. But it grossed $232 million worldwide, against a $97 million budget. And that's why they get hired.  Crappy movies make money, pretty reliably.  If you need more evidence, see: Michael Bay and Transformers.

It really comes down to the corporate studio system. That's why there's so many sequels and re-boots, and a million movies in the same franchise. They're all looking for guaranteed returns, and they can point to past box office returns for a given movie or franchise as justification for going back to the same well over and over.

I didn't think Ghost in the Shell was that bad.

I didn't either.  I think too many people had unreasonable expectations from the Anime, original GITS, Solid State Society, Second Complex etc.  And honestly, unless you're an Anime fan, or a Japanophile or total weaboo, all of the GITS Animes are a TERRIBLE "American Movie". Way too much exposition and internal dialogue. Put it this way, it would be worse than David Lynch's Dune if you did it line for line in a live-action movie. And there's a metric ton of subtle cultural references that really only make sense to Japanese people. The muddied ambiguous politics, the different ill-defined factions and different departments of the government fighting each other through feint and subterfuge.  Something like 3/4ths of the overall plot doesn't make sense in the original Anime if you aren't up on how almost nothing is discussed or happens in a blunt direct manner in Japanese society.

Reasonable expectations for the live-action Ghost In The Shell always was going to be cool action, cool sets and props. Fan service comprised of a few choice scenes from the original Anime. Heavy on the "mood" and little substance. And a mashup of a few different plots from the GITS franchise was also something everyone should have expected.



Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: 230RN on September 06, 2017, 09:17:03 AM
Ho hum.

Ben remarked,

Quote
They were all practically just part of the background. It was a crew of whiny and undisciplined 15 year olds.

I can't speak to the movies, but it seems to me that describes the personnel complement of most script committees nowadays.  At least in terms of what I've been seeing on TV of late.

References to pot smoking deleted from the following dialog in the storyboard room...

"OK, so then what?"

"Ooo, ooo, I've got it.  So then he leaps across the gap to the other building but the bad guy tries it and doesn't make it and starts to fall the fifteen stories to the pavement below."

"That's good, that's good...."

Long pause while the collective imagination mulls it over.

"OK, so then what?"

"Ooo, ooo, so then the hero is concerned that his falling body will hurt people in the street below, so he uses his superpower of having a tractor beam in his left pinky to pull the bad guy back up and captures him and takes him to jail."

"Oooo, yeah, yeah, I can see the visual now.  Waves of power coming out of his left pinky."

"Oooo, oooo, yeah, and loud humming, too."

"Yeah, that's the ticket. And his saving the bad guy symbolizes the goodness of his nature."

Long pause while the typist types all this out.

"Hey, wait a minute.  Where'd this tractor beam superpower come from? We never scripted that before...?"

"Nah, that's OK.  The audience will never catch on to that."

"Yeah, right, they never caught on to how he got back to the city on a submarine in the fourth spinoff."

"OK, so then what?

"Hey, wait a minute.  What if we have the bad guy splat on the pavement with his guts spraying out and bones 'n stuff sticking out of his remains?"

"Oooo, ooo, yeah.  That'll get us the PG rating.  Guaranteed draw!"

"And zoom in on his wide open bloody dead eyeballs!"

"But then we can't use the tractor beam in his left pinky!"

"What if the hero's tractor beam misses the bad guy on the way down?"

"Yeah, good, good."

"OK, so then what?"

And so on.

And of course, nobody ever thinks of the tensile strength required in the good guy's left pinky tractor beam.

Terry jumps on his tricked out motorcycle which never appeared anywhere else in the plot and roars off to safety, 230RN.

 >:D
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: MechAg94 on September 06, 2017, 06:34:09 PM
So when are they going to do the reverse and show an Alien ship exploring a planet and finding humans who try to kill them. 
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on September 07, 2020, 11:25:17 PM
So this is the only thread in all of APS where the words "Bladerunner 2049" return any results in a search.  So, time for some thread-necromancy.

The new Alien/Engineer movies are sh*t.
The new Jurassic World movies are sh*t.
The new Star Wars movies are sh*t.
All the Michael Bay TMNT/Transformers stuff is sh*t.
Roland Emmerich's ID4-2 was sh*t.
Game of Thrones turned into a steaming burning overfilled port-a-john in its last season.
WB/DC is missing the hole in the john and leaving steaming piles on the floor, with the DCEU (excepting Wonder Woman).
The MCU had a great 10 year run, except for a couple forgivable lemons in a 25 film anthology, but that train has left the station and blown on by now.

But... I've been holding out a ray of hope for the 2020 Dune movie that Denis Villeneuve is writing and directing.  His prior accreditations include Bladerunner 2049.

I'm acquainted with the original film, but the last time I watched it was on TBS as a teenager while bored on a weekend.  I didn't really dive into it, despite a strong SciFi affinity at that time.  So I re-watched the original Bladerunner to make sure I was well acquainted with the franchise's themes and environment, then sat down and watched BR2049 for the first time, yesterday.

A masterpiece.

Does anyone disagree on that?  I'd love to talk about this movie.  Villeneuve is holding the last flickering spark of hope I have for a decent movie from Hollywood any time in the immediate future, in Dune 2020.  BR2049's score was perfect, the plot honored the original movie and was not one-dimensional at all, and the air of sinister mystery and misspent wonder of the original was carried through.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: AJ Dual on September 07, 2020, 11:49:27 PM
Blade Runner 2049 was awesome. 

I loved it. Can't say enough good about it.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: zahc on September 07, 2020, 11:51:06 PM
BR 2049 had a lot of flaws. It could be improved greatly by chopping out a lot of things that didn't resolve well. Then again the original BR was flawed too; how many cuts did it take trying to get something more coherent? This is basically the same writing problem that impacted all the other crap films you mentioned, which I also agree are crap, but BR2049 had so much other goodness, that I feel it was saved. Again, in almost an identical fashion to how the original BR was saved by awesomeness. I would watch it again.

The original Dune novel is a masterpiece, but I hold no high hopes for a good film. It's clear that hollywood will epicfail even when handed good material on a silver platter. With the curious exception of comic books. So maybe if they could get somebody from the comic adaptations.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 07, 2020, 11:54:52 PM
I've about given up on TV and movies. Doing more reading. Just finished the first book in the MHI series.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: MechAg94 on September 08, 2020, 12:22:41 AM
BR 2049 had a lot of flaws. It could be improved greatly by chopping out a lot of things that didn't resolve well. Then again the original BR was flawed too; how many cuts did it take trying to get something more coherent? This is basically the same writing problem that impacted all the other crap films you mentioned, which I also agree are crap, but BR2049 had so much other goodness, that I feel it was saved. Again, in almost an identical fashion to how the original BR was saved by awesomeness. I would watch it again.

The original Dune novel is a masterpiece, but I hold no high hopes for a good film. It's clear that hollywood will epicfail even when handed good material on a silver platter. With the curious exception of comic books. So maybe if they could get somebody from the comic adaptations.
Dune is an extremely complex book.  Trying to make one movie that covers it would be tough.  You might be able to make a movie trilogy like Lord of the Rings, but even that would be tough.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on September 08, 2020, 12:32:36 AM
Dune is an extremely complex book.  Trying to make one movie that covers it would be tough.  You might be able to make a movie trilogy like Lord of the Rings, but even that would be tough.

He's doing it as two movies.  Much like Jackson with LotR.

I expect part 1 will deal with exposition and the Harkonnen betrayal, up to Paul befriending the Fremen and meeting Stilgar and Shani and finding his place among them.  Then part 2 is bringing the war back to the Baron and Emperor.

The big question I have is how one accomplishes filming this book without all the Lynch style whispered dialogue?  I was unimpressed by the SyFy Dune series.  Costumes were ridiculous and the sets were all tiny and special effects terrible.  I did watch it all the way through but I found it un-memorable and shabby.  I'm a fan of the Lynch film despite its variances from the source material.

I expect Villeneuve will be departing from the source material as well, ditching the energy shields in favor of some form of physical armor.  Kevlar on steroids, stops anything high velocity I expect, so guns have the same limited utility and melee combat is necessary.  Though the laser/shield dynamic of the book then becomes a problem for book purists much like the Weirding Modules from the Lynch film.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: HankB on September 08, 2020, 08:35:36 AM
. . .  It's clear that hollywood will epicfail even when handed good material on a silver platter. With the curious exception of comic books. . . .
Political correctness and foreign influence (e.g., international distribution considerations) also greatly influence book-to-film adaptations. Tom Clancy noted this before his death - just look at the film adaptation of The Sum of All Fears where the nuclear terrorists morphed from Islamofascists to European Nazis. Or the massive editing in the remake of Red Dawn where the Chinese became North Koreans after the Chicoms objected to being portrayed as the bad guys.

And of course the left went berserk over Mel Gibson's movie The Patriot which had mere children not only handling GUNS, but using them to shoot Redcoats.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 08, 2020, 09:33:54 AM
Wait, I thought this thread was about Alien: Convent, where the aliens go up against that scary demon nun.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: TommyGunn on September 08, 2020, 10:27:53 AM
So this is the only thread in all of APS where the words "Bladerunner 2049" return any results in a search.  So, time for some thread-necromancy.

The new Alien/Engineer movies are sh*t.
The new Jurassic World movies are sh*t.
The new Star Wars movies are sh*t.
All the Michael Bay TMNT/Transformers stuff is sh*t.
Roland Emmerich's ID4-2 was sh*t.
Game of Thrones turned into a steaming burning overfilled port-a-john in its last season.
WB/DC is missing the hole in the john and leaving steaming piles on the floor, with the DCEU (excepting Wonder Woman).
The MCU had a great 10 year run, except for a couple forgivable lemons in a 25 film anthology, but that train has left the station and blown on by now.

But... I've been holding out a ray of hope for the 2020 Dune movie that Denis Villeneuve is writing and directing.  His prior accreditations include Bladerunner 2049.

I'm acquainted with the original film, but the last time I watched it was on TBS as a teenager while bored on a weekend.  I didn't really dive into it, despite a strong SciFi affinity at that time.  So I re-watched the original Bladerunner to make sure I was well acquainted with the franchise's themes and environment, then sat down and watched BR2049 for the first time, yesterday.

A masterpiece.

Does anyone disagree on that?  I'd love to talk about this movie.  Villeneuve is holding the last flickering spark of hope I have for a decent movie from Hollywood any time in the immediate future, in Dune 2020.  BR2049's score was perfect, the plot honored the original movie and was not one-dimensional at all, and the air of sinister mystery and misspent wonder of the original was carried through.

Hey! :mad:  I won't argue about some of the OTHER MOVIES (some I haven't seen) but dissing Dino movies doesn't sit well with me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!      I love dinosaur movies!  I have ALWAYS loved dinosaur movies!   I started loving them when I was like 8 or 9 years old and I REFUSE to stop now!!!
It's my one "guilty pleasure" left (aside from a couple others  ;/ )  and I'm NOT abandoning it!   I don't care if the movie uses modern quality cgi or was made in 1958 and used men in rubber suits!!! [tinfoil]
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: WLJ on September 08, 2020, 10:45:03 AM

WB/DC is missing the hole in the john and leaving steaming piles on the floor, with the DCEU (excepting Wonder Woman).


They're working on releasing and actually spending a large amount of money on the Synder (The original director) cut of Justice League. Many are saying it's a far different movie from the the Whedon (the replacement dir who did an almost complete reshoot of large sections) version which was what was originally released. Due out next year.
so there's hope there.

BTW: You left out Star Trek and Dr. Who. The new stuff has been *expletive deleted*it.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: MechAg94 on September 08, 2020, 11:11:20 AM
Hey! :mad:  I won't argue about some of the OTHER MOVIES (some I haven't seen) but dissing Dino movies doesn't sit well with me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!      I love dinosaur movies!  I have ALWAYS loved dinosaur movies!   I started loving them when I was like 8 or 9 years old and I REFUSE to stop now!!!
It's my one "guilty pleasure" left (aside from a couple others  ;/ )  and I'm NOT abandoning it!   I don't care if the movie uses modern quality cgi or was made in 1958 and used men in rubber suits!!! [tinfoil]

So you loved the Land of the Lost movie from a few years back?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0457400/

It actually wasn't too bad as long as you expect to it be a Will Ferrell comedy.


Intelligent Sleestak dinosaurs taking over the island would have been a pretty good premise for Jurassic World.  Better than the story they used. 
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: TommyGunn on September 08, 2020, 11:35:04 AM
So you loved the Land of the Lost movie from a few years back?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0457400/

It actually wasn't too bad as long as you expect to it be a Will Ferrell comedy.


Intelligent Sleestak dinosaurs taking over the island would have been a pretty good premise for Jurassic World.  Better than the story they used.  

Some parts of it were clever.... the main character remarks the T-Rex had a brain the size of a walnut... and a gargantuan walnut rolls by ....  

In all seriousness  :O  these films are just for fun.  Jurassic World maybe took the theme park idea a bit to.... extreme (the first film in 1993 showed how they might go sideways  [tinfoil] )  but,  hey,   watching raptor fights and Tyrannosauruses scarfing up lawyers never gets old (enough to become a fossil).  [popcorn]
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: WLJ on September 08, 2020, 11:38:50 AM
Some parts of it were clever.... the main character remarks the T-Rex had a brain the size of a walnut... and a gargantuan walnut rolls by ....  

In all seriousness  :O  these films are just for fun.  Jurassic World maybe took the theme park idea a bit to.... extreme (the first film in 1993 showed how they might go sideways  [tinfoil] )  but,  hey,   watching raptor fights and Tyrannosauruses scarfing up lawyers never gets old (enough to become a fossil).  [popcorn]

1993? Where have those 27 years gone to?   :facepalm: :old:
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: MechAg94 on September 08, 2020, 12:21:39 PM
Some parts of it were clever.... the main character remarks the T-Rex had a brain the size of a walnut... and a gargantuan walnut rolls by ....  

In all seriousness  :O  these films are just for fun.  Jurassic World maybe took the theme park idea a bit to.... extreme (the first film in 1993 showed how they might go sideways  [tinfoil] )  but,  hey,   watching raptor fights and Tyrannosauruses scarfing up lawyers never gets old (enough to become a fossil).  [popcorn]
That was the fun with the 2nd Jurassic Park movie.  The too short scene of the Tyrannosaur rampaging through LA was awesome.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on September 08, 2020, 02:09:19 PM
Hey! :mad:  I won't argue about some of the OTHER MOVIES (some I haven't seen) but dissing Dino movies doesn't sit well with me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!      I love dinosaur movies!  I have ALWAYS loved dinosaur movies!   I started loving them when I was like 8 or 9 years old and I REFUSE to stop now!!!
It's my one "guilty pleasure" left (aside from a couple others  ;/ )  and I'm NOT abandoning it!   I don't care if the movie uses modern quality cgi or was made in 1958 and used men in rubber suits!!! [tinfoil]


I'll let the Critical Drinker handle this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDN5b9L2hrQ

It's chock full of 'memberberries, despite not even being a JJ Abrams flick.  And the Indomitus Rex psuedo-saur and its plot armor was ridiculous.  Knowing the location and purpose of its tracking implant?  Ugh.

The park was seriously under-gunned for the creatures it possessed.  IIRC, the original 1993 movie had each animal deprived of a hormone that would result in its death if it didn't get its supplements regularly.  This one had no similar control mechanism, nor implanted micro-cyanide or explosives that would cause an aneurysm or similar auto-kill for the dinos.  The MG on the helicopter wasn't a .50, I don't think.  I'd expect the park to own an APC or light tank with sufficient power to kill the largest land animal they had on site, as well as a contract with Raytheon for modified Javelin systems that can lock on to a specific animal RFID serial number or biological thermal signature.  A SWAT-like team with shoulder fired small arms intended for human warfare?  You're lacking understanding of "SWAT" as an acronym entirely.  Ridiculous.

If you've got hundreds of carnivorous pterosaurs that will prey on human sized game, then you have more layers of security than the initial containment vessel.  And their "Main Street" attraction area should have had multiple discrete bomb shelter entrances with doors large enough to accept a flow of people at least 2 wide, but small enough to prohibit large predators from entering, which would lead underground.  I'm still lost in regards to the pterosaurs and their source.  My impression is the bird cage is from the Hammond era, and the animals within are several breeding generations removed and somehow able to survive while contained within (which is patently ridiculous).  And the new park was built on the same island, with no effort to eradicate the Hammond pterosaurs or integrate them into the attractions and reinforce their containment.

I do appreciate how the 2nd movie in the franchise ended up releasing the dinosaurs into the rest of the world.  That's an ecological catastrophe that in real life would be a massive risk to life due to the predators, and risk to infrastructure due to the sheer size of most of the rest of the creatures, that would have the National Guard out trophy hunting, and bounties in place for anything that could be killed by conventional small arms that the large/dangerous game hunting community possessed.  I'm hoping to see how the 3rd movie will play out, but I'm sure it'll turn into some sort of leftist pap with a comically evil hunter much like Percival McLeach from Rescuers Down Under.  Even though they already did that once in the 90's trilogy, memberberries evidently make enough money to run the concept again.

Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: K Frame on September 08, 2020, 03:13:01 PM
Blade Runner 2049 was an excellent, excellent follow on to the original.

But it didn't hold a candle to the original.


If you want to find the threads (there are a several) that talk about Blade Runner 2049, search "Blade Runner" as two words. The way the title of both movies actually has it, not as one word.

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Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: TommyGunn on September 08, 2020, 11:06:39 PM
I'll let the Critical Drinker handle this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDN5b9L2hrQ

It's chock full of 'memberberries, despite not even being a JJ Abrams flick.  And the Indomitus Rex psuedo-saur and its plot armor was ridiculous.  Knowing the location and purpose of its tracking implant?  Ugh.

The park was seriously under-gunned for the creatures it possessed.  IIRC, the original 1993 movie had each animal deprived of a hormone that would result in its death if it didn't get its supplements regularly.  This one had no similar control mechanism, nor implanted micro-cyanide or explosives that would cause an aneurysm or similar auto-kill for the dinos.  The MG on the helicopter wasn't a .50, I don't think.  I'd expect the park to own an APC or light tank with sufficient power to kill the largest land animal they had on site, as well as a contract with Raytheon for modified Javelin systems that can lock on to a specific animal RFID serial number or biological thermal signature.  A SWAT-like team with shoulder fired small arms intended for human warfare?  You're lacking understanding of "SWAT" as an acronym entirely.  Ridiculous.

If you've got hundreds of carnivorous pterosaurs that will prey on human sized game, then you have more layers of security than the initial containment vessel.  And their "Main Street" attraction area should have had multiple discrete bomb shelter entrances with doors large enough to accept a flow of people at least 2 wide, but small enough to prohibit large predators from entering, which would lead underground.  I'm still lost in regards to the pterosaurs and their source.  My impression is the bird cage is from the Hammond era, and the animals within are several breeding generations removed and somehow able to survive while contained within (which is patently ridiculous).  And the new park was built on the same island, with no effort to eradicate the Hammond pterosaurs or integrate them into the attractions and reinforce their containment.

I do appreciate how the 2nd movie in the franchise ended up releasing the dinosaurs into the rest of the world.  That's an ecological catastrophe that in real life would be a massive risk to life due to the predators, and risk to infrastructure due to the sheer size of most of the rest of the creatures, that would have the National Guard out trophy hunting, and bounties in place for anything that could be killed by conventional small arms that the large/dangerous game hunting community possessed.  I'm hoping to see how the 3rd movie will play out, but I'm sure it'll turn into some sort of leftist pap with a comically evil hunter much like Percival McLeach from Rescuers Down Under.  Even though they already did that once in the 90's trilogy, memberberries evidently make enough money to run the concept again.


 :facepalm:  I was a Hollywood movie.  It was NOT a training film for SEAL TEAM SIX.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: Cliffh on September 09, 2020, 11:09:04 PM
Doesn't anyone in Hollywood have an original idea?  Seems as if most every "new" movie is a remake of an old movie. 

Yeah, there are some that aren't - but most of those are based on comic books.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant
Post by: Jim147 on September 10, 2020, 07:07:12 AM
Is it a remake or a reboot?