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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: MillCreek on May 31, 2019, 07:54:20 PM
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https://www.npr.org/2019/05/31/728782706/multiple-injuries-in-virginia-beach-shooting-suspect-in-custody?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR3MX8974P-qhQhp8hePoCKbgiymw-_rLf5xqyywlHoOCykGtSHdszjfsX8&fbclid=IwAR25XS59sudsJUGaIEcJdSogNAG6NNZh2i5o7F5pOn2giGl_N0WQJXCoEF0
A long-time public works employee goes to the office and starts shooting: 11 people dead including the shooter.
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Reading a suppressor was used,
That means kiss goodbye any hope of the rules being loosened up on them
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In the comments at foxnews
All right wingers are not mass shooters, but all mass shooters are right wing gun nuts, by definition.
:facepalm:
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45 caliber handgun with a surpressor and multiple extended magazines used
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7092593/Shooting-municipal-center-Virginia-beach-leaves-multiple-people-injured.html
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I don't know about the suppressor part of this .... one report I heard said people heard gunshots. I know suppressors don't make guns go "pffft" like on tv .... but can the average Joe today really know what a suppressed gun sounds like?
The extended mag part might be true though .....
I guess the facts will straighten out as more is reported .....
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I don't know about the suppressor part of this .... one report said people heard gunshots. I know suppressors don't make guns go "pffft" like on tv .... but can the average Joe today really know what a suppressed gun sounds like?
The extended mag part might be true though .....
I guess the facts will straighten out as more is reported .....
That was brought up in some of the comments I've read and it has been suggested that they were hearing the gunshots from the police during the shootout they had with him.
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That was brought up in some of the comments I've read and it has been suggested that they were hearing the gunshots from the police during the shootout they had with him.
That makes sense.
Now I'm wondering if it was a legal suppressor ... or surppressor as the British apparently spell it ....
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Looks like the shooter may not fitting the narrative again but I'm sure the libs will jump on the suppressor aspect of the story.
Edit: and extended mag
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Specifics don't matter. The spin is "extended magazines" and "silencers". The Today show reported on the gun supposedly used before reporting on the state of the survivors. I think they're going to try to go after handguns or all guns. The reporter stressed how common .45's are and how "extended"* mags are legal in VA.
*Extended in reporter could be actual extended mags or anything over ten rounds.
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Black Muslim Democrat is the rumor I’ve run across.
No confirmation from the mainstream propaganda sources yet.
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Black Muslim Democrat is the rumor I’ve run across.
No confirmation from the mainstream propaganda sources yet.
Too much static coming from both sides. So far all we know for sure is his name.
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Here we go
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/06/daniel-zimmerman/virginia-beach-shooter-used-a-45-handgun-and-suppressor-to-murder-12-people/
Ban and buy-back every single assault weapon in America.
Background checks on ALL firearms purchases.
None of these solutions are beyond our imagination. Let’s prove they’re not beyond our will.
— Eric Swalwell (@ericswalwell) June 1, 2019
The Virginia Beach gunman was the @NRA’s definition of a good guy with a gun until he opened fire. Gun lobbyists who help write our nation’s gun laws push for high capacity magazines and deregulating silencers. This wasn’t an act of nature; it was an act of legislative cowardice. https://t.co/uricsVKkxM
— Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) June 1, 2019
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https://www.ajc.com/news/virginia-beach-shooting-who-was-dewayne-craddock-identified-the-gunman/f7Qxa0OYtPTOaXUk9Mo70H/
Many years as an engineer and project manager.
Quiet single guy.
Looks like multiple firearm purchases made recently.
Not much else out there yet.
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He sure screwed the gun community by using a suppressor. Intentional?
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Not hard to make your own suppressor so you would think it would be relatively easy for an engineer to do so.
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3D print a Pop Bottle "suppressor" adapter REAL easily!
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Or the old oil filter trick
But I think they're only good for maybe one shot IIRC
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I will be very interested to see the follow up on the suppressor, or even if it is one (other than homemade field expedient). They said a bunch of firearms purchases recently, but though I haven't gone through the process yet, a suppressor takes time.
Limited information makes it sound like he only recently acquired firearms, so some possibilities:
He had firearms beforehand and went through the whole suppressor acquisition process sometime in the past.
Homemade suppressor.
No suppressor and/or the media doesn't know what it's talking about.
Either way, yeah, suppressors will be in the crosshairs with the anti's PR being that they are whisper quiet and you can buy them at the grocery store, and then of course ARs, even though they had nothing to do with it.
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Did law enforcement actually say it was a sound suppressor or was it just one of those fake suppressors or a flash can?
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Did law enforcement actually say it was a sound suppressor or was it just one of those fake suppressors or a flash can?
Or maybe a compensator?
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Or the old oil filter trick
But I think they're only good for maybe one shot IIRC
A gun store near me sells the legal adapter to install oil filters on your gun. I never thought it was a great deal when you can get a real, durable 22 suppressor for a few hundred more.
I have heard they are good for a number of shots (22 LR), but if you think about it, it is essentially paper wipes that are destroyed pretty quickly. I imagine the sounds suppression gets progressively worse after the first shot.
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From one of the npr links.
The suspect was armed with a .45-caliber handgun and a sound suppressor, the police chief said, along with extended magazines that the suspect reloaded as he proceeded.
Virginia Beach Police are working with federal law enforcement agencies to process the scene and investigate. Cervera deferred an answer on whether the suspect had acquired the handgun legally, saying the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is working on that question.
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A long-time public works employee goes to the office and starts shooting: 11 people dead including the shooter.
Yep, another disgruntled employee shooting in a GFZ that you know has to be a Kafka-esq bureaucratic purgatory for the folks there.
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Or the old oil filter trick
But I think they're only good for maybe one shot IIRC
Why would it only be good for one shot?
I've long thought that one of these would made a dandy improvised suppressor:
https://www.amazon.com/Maxpower-334132-Stratton-Cylinder-Muffler/dp/B0002YRO30/ref=pd_bxgy_86_2/134-2065384-1246316?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B0002YRO30&pd_rd_r=1f458532-84a9-11e9-aff7-7b8b27abc5ce&pd_rd_w=ArU4q&pd_rd_wg=v1j9c&pf_rd_p=a2006322-0bc0-4db9-a08e-d168c18ce6f0&pf_rd_r=7TTVX45VHD7KW4YSSBSM&psc=1&refRID=7TTVX45VHD7KW4YSSBSM
This one is 1/2" ID. In theory it would handle up through .45 ACP, but that would require good axial alignment. The same muffler is also available in a 3/4" size, which might not be quite as effective but would be less prone to possible interference.
https://www.amazon.com/Maxpower-334133-4-Inch-Cylinder-Muffler/dp/B000FJQJM4/ref=pd_bxgy_86_2/134-2065384-1246316?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B000FJQJM4&pd_rd_r=19a15131-84aa-11e9-aff7-7b8b27abc5ce&pd_rd_w=xWBXX&pd_rd_wg=cJVZm&pf_rd_p=a2006322-0bc0-4db9-a08e-d168c18ce6f0&pf_rd_r=S4AZSS6769WAZSTHAB7S&psc=1&refRID=S4AZSS6769WAZSTHAB7S
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I will be very interested to see the follow up on the suppressor, or even if it is one (other than homemade field expedient). They said a bunch of firearms purchases recently, but though I haven't gone through the process yet, a suppressor takes time.
Limited information makes it sound like he only recently acquired firearms, so some possibilities:
He had firearms beforehand and went through the whole suppressor acquisition process sometime in the past.
Homemade suppressor.
No suppressor and/or the media doesn't know what it's talking about.
Either way, yeah, suppressors will be in the crosshairs with the anti's PR being that they are whisper quiet and you can buy them at the grocery store, and then of course ARs, even though they had nothing to do with it.
I'm confused. Did the [alleged] suppressor make the bullets deadlier? Would the victims be any less dead if the shooter had not [allegedly] used a suppressor? If he had not been able to buy (or make) a suppressor, would he have NOT gone on a shooting spree?
MENTAL HEALTH! MENTAL HEALTH! MENTAL HEALTH!
It's not the guns, people. He was an engineer. If he couldn't have gotten guns, don't you think an engineer could have built a bomb?
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Why would it only be good for one shot?
The pressure wave basically just shreds the paper. You might get away with a few shots of 22 before that happens but a 45 one or two shots at most.
Plus the paper, what's left of it, would probably ignite after a few shots. I don't if you've ever shot with a suppressor before but they get extremely hot after just a few shoots.
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Or the old oil filter trick
But I think they're only good for maybe one shot IIRC
https://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2013/01/18/shooting-with-an-oil-filter-suppressor/
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https://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2013/01/18/shooting-with-an-oil-filter-suppressor/
And guess what, that's a 22.
22lr is around 7-8,000 psi
45ACP 19-20,000
For reference 5.56 is 62,000 psi
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The pressure wave basically just shreds the paper. You might get away with a few shots of 22 before that happens but a 45 one or two shots at most.
Plus the paper, what's left of it, would probably ignite after a few shots. I don't if you've ever shot with a suppressor before but they get extremely hot after just a few shoots.
So how about stainless steel?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0739MQ2GM/ref=psdc_15727161_t3_B07CCM8QCF
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RE: lawnmower muffler Suppressors, they would need to be drilled out as the internal baffle(s) would get by the projectile. While thew would probably provide some level of suppression, I doubt it would be much.
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And guess what, that's a 22.
22lr is around 7-8,000 psi
45ACP 19-20,000
For reference 5.56 is 62,000 psi
Ummm ... .22 LR is 24,000 psi
https://saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/SAAMI-Z299.1-Rimfire-Approved-2018-06-13.pdf
Jump to page 13
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RE: lawnmower muffler Suppressors, they would need to be drilled out as the internal baffle(s) would get by the projectile. While thew would probably provide some level of suppression, I doubt it would be much.
Do they have internal baffles? I think that style muffler is basically a straight-through "glass pack" style.
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Ummm ... .22 LR is 24,000 psi
https://saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/SAAMI-Z299.1-Rimfire-Approved-2018-06-13.pdf
Jump to page 13
You're right, not sure why 7-8 popped into my head.
I plead permanent insanity
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Do they have internal baffles? I think that style muffler is basically a straight-through "glass pack" style.
Need enough internal space for the for the pressure to drop and the gas to cool. Not sure what 45 would need in that regard although looking at a 45 can should give an idea.
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The mufflers DO have an internal baffle that is pretty much a plate with a lot of small holes in it.
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Honestly I wonder if we're getting into ATF no no land here or am I getting paranoid?
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of course even at the same pressure (or so) or even less 45 has a much greater pressure volume (if that's the right term) than 22
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Theory is fine, practice is not.
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At this point we still don't know if he bought one, whether legally or not, or made one.
I remember someone showing how to piece one together at lowes. This guy was supposedly an engineer, it shouldn't take much for an engineer to figure out how.
With a little trial and error I have no doubt I could.
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Honestly I wonder if we're getting into ATF no no land here or am I getting paranoid?
It's not illegal to discuss it. It IS illegal to construct or to possess a suppressor without the prerequisite $200 permission slip. There is (or was) a company that sold the oil filter adapters for $75. [The adapter featured in Hickock45's video] They reportedly had gotten their adapter accepted by the BATFE as a suppressor, so you paid your $75 plus the $200 baksheesh to the government, and you could chew up all the oil filters you could buy. Making your own adapter to use one of these in-line mufflers would be illegal without the tax stamp.
It gets into what the BATFE likes to call "constructive possession." If you own a lawn mower and a spare muffler, no problem. If you own a lawn mower, a firearm, and a muffler -- still no problem. If you own a firearm, a muffler, and a "thingie" that might allow you to attach the aforementioned muffler to the aforementioned firearm -- you could be in deep kimchee because you could put those things together to create an untaxed (ergo illegal) suppressor.
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It's not illegal to discuss it. It IS illegal to construct or to possess a suppressor without the prerequisite $200 permission slip. There is (or was) a company that sold the oil filter adapters for $75. They reportedly had gotten their adapter accepted by the BATFE as a suppressor, so you paid your $75 plus the $200 baksheesh to the government, and you could chew up all the oil filters you could buy. Making your own adapter to use one of these in-line mufflers would be illegal without the tax stamp.
It gets into what the BATFE likes to call "constructive possession." If you own a lawn mower and a spare muffler, no problem. If you own a lawn mover, a firearm, and a muffler -- still no problem. If you own a firearm, a muffler, and a "thingie" that might allow you to attach the aforementioned muffler to the aforementioned firearm -- you could be in deep kimchee because you could put those things together to create an untaxed (ergo illegal) suppressor.
Having a sub 16" barrel AR upper is fine As long as you don't attach it to a lower.
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Having a sub 16" barrel AR upper is fine As long as you don't attach it to a lower.
Correction -- as long as you don't possess a lower. If you have an upper and you have a lower, "constructive possession" says you might put them together.
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There doesn't appear to be a connection between the recently purchased firearms and those used in the shooting:
As for weaponry, two .45-caliber pistols were said to have been used by the shooter, and two other guns were recovered at the shooter's home, the chief said. At least three of the weapons were purchased legally, though the history of the fourth was not immediately known. The two weapons used at the municipal center were purchased in 2016 and 2018 by the shooter, officials said.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-beach-police-zero-in-on-shooters-weapons-cache-and-job-background
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Does anyone know if the Virginia Beach Municipal Center is a "gun free" zone?
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More and more it seems that when the guns are purchased legally the media want to make sure it is a headline on an article or 12. I wonder if they are doing this to say"Look, the gun laws we have don't work, they still get guns. We have to pass more laws to make gun ownership more restrictive. If for the safety of us all!!" [tinfoil]
bob
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More and more it seems that when the guns are purchased legally the media want to make sure it is a headline on an article or 12. I wonder if they are doing this to say"Look, the gun laws we have don't work, they still get guns. We have to pass more laws to make gun ownership more restrictive. If for the safety of us all!!" [tinfoil]
True. But there's legal, and then there's legal.
For example, the AR-15 used in the Sandy Hook shooting was bought legally. By the shooter's mother. So it was her gun. Did she give her son permission to use it to shoot up a school? Oh, wait -- he murdered her. So "purchased legally" (by someone) does not equate to "obtained legally" (by the shooter).
Same thing with the fairly recent STEM High School shooting. There were two handguns used. They were stolen by one of the shooters from his parents. So, again ... purchased legally, yes. Obtained legally by the shooter, no. Stolen is stolen. I don't see that stealing a gun from a relative makes it any less a stolen gun than a stolen gun one goon buys from another goon on a street corner late at night.
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Single shots are preferable to multi-round handguns, which are preferable to semiautos, which are preferable to AR-15s. At least when the death to time ratio falls on a Tuesday.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/06/01/like-a-chair-scraping-on-the-floor-is-not-what-a-suppressor-sounds-like-to-stephen-gutowski/
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Single shots are preferable to multi-round handguns, which are preferable to semiautos, which are preferable to AR-15s. At least when the death to time ratio falls on a Tuesday.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/06/01/like-a-chair-scraping-on-the-floor-is-not-what-a-suppressor-sounds-like-to-stephen-gutowski/
Well, now ...
In terms of death-to-time ratio, single-shot weapons are preferable to multi-round handguns and handguns are preferable to the semiautomatic, ...
If I read what this says ... in English ... it says that handguns are not semi-automatics. Semi-automatics are something (anything) other than handguns. How did this person ever get to be a senior executive in any government agency, let along Homeland [In]Security?
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And guess what, that's a 22.
22lr is around 7-8,000 psi
45ACP 19-20,000
For reference 5.56 is 62,000 psi
Chamber pressure is irrelevant for a suppressor - it's the gas pressure at the muzzle that really matters, plus the volume of gas, of course.
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Chamber pressure is irrelevant for a suppressor - it's the gas pressure at the muzzle that really matters, plus the volume of gas, of course.
True. But if the peak chamber pressure is 8,000 psi, the pressure at a suppressor is unlikely to approach 20,000+ psi. However, if the chamber pressure peaks at 24,000 psi, there's a fair chance the pressure at a suppressor may exceed 8,000 psi.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-dCF-5ZT5s&feature=youtu.be
Maybe use an automotive suppressor. Might look something like this.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-dCF-5ZT5s&feature=youtu.be
Maybe use an automotive suppressor. Might look something like this.
"Video unavailable"
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https://nypost.com/2019/06/02/dewayne-craddock-had-been-getting-violent-with-co-workers-before-virginia-beach-shooting-report/
According to the New York Post, the shooter had been getting into arguments with co-workers, and was facing disciplinary action for a fight at work.
I feel so sorry for him. If only he hadn't bought those evil GUNZ! his personality wouldn't have gone off the rails, and none of this would have happened.
And a different report says that he had submitted his resignation:
https://heavy.com/news/2019/05/dewayne-craddock/
Possibly to avoid disciplinary action? Too much speculation -- we need to wait for more hard data to filter out.
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They're going nuts over at TTAG over the thought that Trump is going to ban suppressors.
Not saying he won't but there's usually a lot of tin-foil-hat panic on that site especially in the comments. We'll see.
Are Suppressors Next? Trump: ‘I Don’t Like Them At All’
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/06/luis-valdes/are-suppressors-next-trump-i-dont-like-them-at-all/
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They're going nuts over at TTAG over the thought that Trump is going to ban suppressors.
Not saying he won't but there's usually a lot of tin-foil-hat panic on that site especially in the comments. We'll see.
Are Suppressors Next? Trump: ‘I Don’t Like Them At All’
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/06/luis-valdes/are-suppressors-next-trump-i-dont-like-them-at-all/
God Dammit. He's going to take the word of knucklehead talking head "experts" who are/were cops but actually don't know what they're talking about, e.g., "The tools of assassins". Then he's going to do the same thing he did with bump stocks because, hey, they're not guns - he's not taking guns. He's still a friend of the NRA."
His sons better get with him right quick and give him the low down.
I still haven't gotten around to doing my paperwork. I guess I'd better get my ass in gear before panic buying and/or worse sets in.
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"Video unavailable"
I just clicked the link and it works fine. ???
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Also, while we know Shannon Watts is an idiot, note the argument from the supposed gun expert arguing with Gutowski how there are "silencers" and "suppressors" and it would be okay to ban "silencers" (he knows because he saw one when he was 13). Our own side doesn't do us any good in these arguments.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2019/06/03/im-not-here-to-do-your-bidding-firearms-expert-and-journo-stephen-gutowski-wipes-the-floor-with-shannon-watts-in-brutal-back-and-forth/
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God Dammit. He's going to take the word of knucklehead talking head "experts" who are/were cops but actually don't know what they're talking about, e.g., "The tools of assassins". Then he's going to do the same thing he did with bump stocks because, hey, they're not guns - he's not taking guns. He's still a friend of the NRA."
His sons better get with him right quick and give him the low down.
I still haven't gotten around to doing my paperwork. I guess I'd better get my ass in gear before panic buying and/or worse sets in.
It is a bit premature to get worked up about this. First, the information about the "suppressor" used is all from initial reports. It would be nice to see more information about it such as who made it, was it registered, etc. Second, a 4 word comment on the way to doing something else doesn't necessarily mean anything. We will see.
Also, a lot of the big gun companies either make sound suppressors or own companies that do. The entire industry would stand to lose if suppressors were somehow made illegaler or harder to get.
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Also, while we know Shannon Watts is an idiot, note the argument from the supposed gun expert arguing with Gutowski how there are "silencers" and "suppressors" and it would be okay to ban "silencers" (he knows because he saw one when he was 13). Our own side doesn't do us any good in these arguments.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2019/06/03/im-not-here-to-do-your-bidding-firearms-expert-and-journo-stephen-gutowski-wipes-the-floor-with-shannon-watts-in-brutal-back-and-forth/
I don't know who the guy is arguing with Gutowski. Looking at his twitter account, he appears to be a Trump supporter, but beyond that, I don't know.
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It is a bit premature to get worked up about this. First, the information about the "suppressor" used is all from initial reports. It would be nice to see more information about it such as who made it, was it registered, etc. Second, a 4 word comment on the way to doing something else doesn't necessarily mean anything. We will see.
Also, a lot of the big gun companies either make sound suppressors or own companies that do. The entire industry would stand to lose if suppressors were somehow made illegaler or harder to get.
A four word comment led to bump stocks going bye bye as an easy win for Trump that didn't upset the firearms community as a whole.
I do agree that we need to wait for verification on if this was in fact a suppressor. If it wasn't, then all will be soon forgotten. If it was, and it gets enough media attention, IMO, Trump will see suppressor restrictions as no different than bump stock restrictions as part of a political give and take and easy sacrifice, unless somebody educates him.
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Also, while we know Shannon Watts is an idiot, note the argument from the supposed gun expert arguing with Gutowski how there are "silencers" and "suppressors" and it would be okay to ban "silencers" (he knows because he saw one when he was 13). Our own side doesn't do us any good in these arguments.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2019/06/03/im-not-here-to-do-your-bidding-firearms-expert-and-journo-stephen-gutowski-wipes-the-floor-with-shannon-watts-in-brutal-back-and-forth/
Silencers reduce a guns noise to a stealthy quiet while suppressors only knock it down enough to preserve hearing, big difference. There's no grounds to slash it, they are NOT the same.
— John C. Jacobs Jr. (@Flashmx1) June 3, 2019
This couldn't be further from the truth. Where did you even get this absurd idea from? "Silencers" and "Suppressors" are terms for the same devices. One term ("Suppressors") is simply more descriptive than the other since they don't make gunshots silent.
— Stephen Gutowski (@StephenGutowski) June 3, 2019
Because I've been around guns, gun shows, military weapons demonstrations and I have a licensed suppressor and seen many silencers demonstrated as obviously you have not.
— John C. Jacobs Jr. (@Flashmx1) June 3, 2019
I have a suppressed rifle it goes bang, I've seen a silenced .45 that goes phfft, you are a troll or some other creature with a agenda.
— John C. Jacobs Jr. (@Flashmx1) June 3, 2019
I saw it at angun demonstration at Fort Lee Va. when I was thirteen, 59 now, it was an assassin's pistol and not on the market, green wrinkle finish, quick break down and cry he action made more noise than the report.
— John C. Jacobs Jr. (@Flashmx1) June 3, 2019
:facepalm:
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Shooter was violent with co-workers before Virginia Beach shooting
https://nypost.com/2019/06/02/dewayne-craddock-had-been-getting-violent-with-co-workers-before-virginia-beach-shooting-report/
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Huh, he was black, for some reason, I didn't know that. Ya would have thought the media would have mentioned that at some point... [tinfoil]
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Huh, he was black, for some reason, I didn't know that. Ya would have thought the media would have mentioned that at some point... [tinfoil]
It's odd, but black mass murderers usually kill their coworkers.
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A four word comment led to bump stocks going bye bye as an easy win for Trump that didn't upset the firearms community as a whole.
I do agree that we need to wait for verification on if this was in fact a suppressor. If it wasn't, then all will be soon forgotten. If it was, and it gets enough media attention, IMO, Trump will see suppressor restrictions as no different than bump stock restrictions as part of a political give and take and easy sacrifice, unless somebody educates him.
We will see if Chris Cox and Wayne LaPierre put out a letter suggesting Trump outlaw suppressors.
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Just read what the Virginia Governor is calling for in response...
1. Ban on "silencers"
2. Ban on "high capacity" magazines
3. Universal background checks
4. Limit to one gun purchase per month
5. Red Flag laws
6. New laws restricting firearms in public buildings and places.
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Just read what the Virginia Governor is calling for in response...
1. Ban on "silencers"
2. Ban on "high capacity" magazines
3. Universal background checks
4. Limit to one gun purchase per month
5. Red Flag laws
6. New laws restricting firearms in public buildings and places.
1. Would the victims be any less dead if one of the two guns reportedly used had not had a "silencer"?
2. Shooters will just carry more magazines, and practice speed reloads
3. The guns were bought legally. What would this change?
4. One of the two guns was bought in 1986, the other in 1988. ??????
5. This guy hadn't been flagged for anything. ??????
6. I thought the Virginia Beach Municipal Complex was already a gun-free zone. How much more illegaler can it be, and how's that going to stop a shooter?
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Make it double secret illegal!
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Also calling for a ban on "assault weapons" and.............. Bump stocks :facepalm:
VA Gov. Northam Calls Special Legislative Session on Gun Control After Virginia Beach Shooting
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/06/daniel-zimmerman/va-governor-calls-special-session-on-gun-control-after-virginia-beach-shooting/
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If you read far enough down in this article, they cite the NY Times as saying about 3/4 of mass shooting perpetrators are black. And about 3/4 of the victims are black.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/23/mass-shootings-tracker-analysis-us-gun-control-reddit
All depends on how you define your terms, of course.
Also: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/10/what-the-white-mass-shooter-myth-gets-right-and-wrong-about-killers-demographics.html
What those initial Mother Jones numbers showed, though, was that white people weren’t overrepresented among mass shooters. The media outlet had found that roughly 70 percent of the shooters in mass killings were white—certainly a majority. But according to Census Bureau estimates for 2012, whites accounted for 73.9 percent of all Americans. (Keep in mind that the definition of whiteness is both vague and forever changing. In the 2010 census, the “white” category includes those whose families originate in Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa. Mother Jones, for its part, categorizes one Moroccan immigrant killer as “white”; leaves the race field blank for a Turkish immigrant; and describes several shooters of Pakistani, Palestinian, Afghan and Kuwaiti extraction as “other.”)
I’m not sure where Kimmel and Leek got their stat about mass murders perpetrated by teenagers, but that figure, too, wasn’t that far off from U.S. demographics. At any rate, it certainly wasn’t true—as many argued then, and many do today—that mass shooters were “almost exclusively” or “disproportionately” or “nearly all” white. (Mass shooters are disproportionately men, however—more on that below.)
Since 2012, Mother Jones has added 29 more mass-shooting events to its database (and tweaked its definition of the crime to fit with new federal guidelines that placed the threshold at three victims instead of four). In this bigger data set, the proportion of white mass shooters drops down to 56 percent, by my count. Judging by those newer numbers, and the most current census estimate that 76.9 percent of Americans are white, the whites-are-overrepresented-among-mass-shooters meme appears even less accurate. Perpetrators that Mother Jones classifies as Asian make up 7.4 percent of the data set, versus an estimated 5.7 percent of the population, while those MoJo identifies as black represent 17.0 percent of the mass shooters in the database versus an estimated 13.3 percent of the population. According to this data set, then, Asians and black Americans are overrepresented among mass shooters by about the same proportion (a bit more than one-fourth) that whites are underrepresented. This means the population rate of mass shootings by whites (at least according to the tiny sample measured in the MoJo database) is 0.021 per 100,000 people, while the corresponding rate of mass shootings by blacks is 1.7 times higher, at 0.037.
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If Trump keeps spouting his mouth off about suppressors, he can go *&T^ himself.
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Waiting to see what happens with special session. Time to call my state critters, hopefully be a good protest there too.
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My Tin Foil Hat is starting to itch considering Virginia Beach happened just in time to possibly. I said possibly, influence this
BREAKING: Supreme Court Won’t Hear Case Challenging Silencer Regulation
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/06/daniel-zimmerman/breaking-supreme-court-wont-hear-case-challenging-silencer-regulation/
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My Tin Foil Hat is starting to itch considering Virginia Beach happened just in time to possibly. I said possibly, influence this
BREAKING: Supreme Court Won’t Hear Case Challenging Silencer Regulation
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/06/daniel-zimmerman/breaking-supreme-court-wont-hear-case-challenging-silencer-regulation/
The #$^* Supremes won't even say you have a right to a 15 round pistol mag and these people thought it was a good time to challenge the NFA!
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I don't know about the suppressor part of this .... one report I heard said people heard gunshots. I know suppressors don't make guns go "pffft" like on tv .... but can the average Joe today really know what a suppressed gun sounds like?
The extended mag part might be true though .....
I guess the facts will straighten out as more is reported .....
A suppressed .45 pistol is pretty loud.... 130db or so... about on par with a framing nail gun.
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The Dems will probably introduce a bill to require all guns to be equipped with a loudener.
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The Dems will probably introduce a bill to require all guns to be equipped with a loudener.
Finally, Sledge Hammer's formerly useless invention pays off!!!!!!! [tinfoil] [popcorn]