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Re: Star Trek fans bash new movie as "watchable/entertaining"
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2009, 04:42:16 AM »
Don't everyone comment all at once =D
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Re: Star Trek fans bash new movie as "watchable/entertaining"
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2009, 09:10:33 AM »
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Re: Star Trek fans bash new movie as "watchable/entertaining"
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2009, 10:33:31 AM »
There is some truth to those comments.  SciFi channel is showing reruns of the Next Generation and some of those shows were just awful.  The first show was on a while back and the acting was very stiff and bad.
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Re: Star Trek fans bash new movie as "watchable/entertaining"
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2009, 10:47:02 AM »
There is some truth to those comments.  SciFi channel is showing reruns of the Next Generation and some of those shows were just awful.  The first show was on a while back and the acting was very stiff and bad.

I've been watching them on WGN.  I just watched their first interaction with the Borg (Q- Who?)

It's amazing to me that they didn't get blown up in the very beginning.
"They obviously are rotten, let's try and be friends!"
(they invade the ship and try and take it over)
"NO! WE'RE FRIENDS! BE NICE! PLEASE?"
(they shoot at the ship)
"I DONT GET IT! WE'RE FRIENDLY AND NOT A THREAT!"
etc etc etc...
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Re: Star Trek fans bash new movie as "watchable/entertaining"
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2009, 10:53:40 AM »
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"I DONT GET IT! WE'RE FRIENDLY AND NOT A THREAT!"

Sometimes ya just gotta fire phasers.

It always annoyed me that anytime Worf mentioned taking some kind of action, they would pan out to everyone on the bridge getting disgusted, "not this again!" looks on their faces. "No, no -- we don't use violence. We sit down with the Borg and chat and drink Earl Grey.

You know on the old Star Trek if they had replicators, instead of "Early Grey, hot", Kirk would be saying, "shot of whiskey, straight up".
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Re: Star Trek fans bash new movie as "watchable/entertaining"
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2009, 01:31:09 PM »
Sometimes ya just gotta fire phasers.

It always annoyed me that anytime Worf mentioned taking some kind of action, they would pan out to everyone on the bridge getting disgusted, "not this again!" looks on their faces. "No, no -- we don't use violence. We sit down with the Borg and chat and drink Earl Grey.

You know on the old Star Trek if they had replicators, instead of "Early Grey, hot", Kirk would be saying, "shot of whiskey, straight up".

Yeah, then later when they rescue the teenaged Borg, and Jeordi (I've got gold spray-painted girls banana hair-clip eyes) LaForge nicknames him Hugh, they almost decide to let him see an "impossible" multi-dimentional optical illusion that will cause a replicating DIV/0 error in the Borg and wipe them all out.

Granted, they didn't do it, and the experience of "individuality" practicaly destroyed the Borg in their quadrant anyway... But from going from the Prime Directive Federation hand-wringing to planned genocide was just incongruous.
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Re: Star Trek fans bash new movie as "watchable/entertaining"
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2009, 01:36:27 PM »
Data, always being taken over and being used against them. The first time he goes haywire on my
spaceship,  he becomes a transistor radio as soon as i can unplug him
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Re: Star Trek fans bash new movie as "watchable/entertaining"
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2009, 04:09:17 PM »
I've been watching them on WGN.  I just watched their first interaction with the Borg (Q- Who?)

It's amazing to me that they didn't get blown up in the very beginning.
"They obviously are rotten, let's try and be friends!"
(they invade the ship and try and take it over)
"NO! WE'RE FRIENDS! BE NICE! PLEASE?"
(they shoot at the ship)
"I DONT GET IT! WE'RE FRIENDLY AND NOT A THREAT!"
etc etc etc...
The other side of that is their ship was supposed to be some big super-advance battleship yet every time they took a hit, the shields were almost gone.  Not to mention the numerous aliens they meet who bypass the shields altogether and make them all choke or pass out.  I always wondered why they only had two kinds of weapons on a big ship like that, but maybe that discussion is for another time.
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Re: Star Trek fans bash new movie as "watchable/entertaining"
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2009, 04:18:46 PM »
Data, always being taken over and being used against them. The first time he goes haywire on my
spaceship,  he becomes a transistor radio as soon as i can unplug him

... I will point out the biological members of the crew were more often taken over than Data was...

Add to that the number of times Data was the only member of the crew ABLE to resist the _________ (gas, mind control, time shift, etc...)

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Re: Star Trek fans bash new movie as "watchable/entertaining"
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2009, 04:24:37 PM »
Ummm Galaxy class starships are explorers.
Starfleet isn't allowed to build battleships.
Now, the Defiant class...
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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2009, 04:25:43 PM »
The other side of that is their ship was supposed to be some big super-advance battleship yet every time they took a hit, the shields were almost gone.  Not to mention the numerous aliens they meet who bypass the shields altogether and make them all choke or pass out.  I always wondered why they only had two kinds of weapons on a big ship like that, but maybe that discussion is for another time.

They got a little more hard-core in DS-9.

The Defiant class ship was an example of what was possible if a Federation ship was nothing but engines, weapons, and minimal crew. IIRC, I've had sex, seen women naked (in person!) and passed on my genes, so my Star Trek-fu is quite weak, but the Defiant has approximately the speed and firepower of an entire Galaxy class cruiser.

They also had an episode where a mass-driver rifle that fired supersonic flechettes and had a micro-transporter that sent it into it's target was being used to assasinate people. It was designed to fight the Borg.

In some of the Star Trek movies they had security/Marines showing up wearing helmets and body armor. And they had Marines on Enterprise.

I always thought a Star Trek series that focused on a company of Federation Marines, and dealt almost exclusively with the "underbelly" of the Federation would have been a cool series.

Ummm Galaxy class starships are explorers.
Starfleet isn't allowed to build battleships.
Now, the Defiant class...

 :|

Starfleet had tons of cruisers, battleships and dreadnaughts. There wasn't a separate Federation Navy. Starfleet was it. Although I agree the Galaxy class was a oversized "jack of all trades" variant. And had an oversized saucer section to accomodate it's larger scientific and diplomatic contingent.
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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2009, 04:44:28 PM »
I'm pretty sure I heard "Starfleet" is not allowed to build battleships" in one episode.
I seem to recall the Defiant being classified as something else to get by this restriction.
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Re: Star Trek fans bash new movie as "watchable/entertaining"
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2009, 04:47:00 PM »
And families, AJ... don't forget that they had families aboard...

A friend of mine always wanted to do a show based on the ship 180* from the Enterprise. The Enterprise was the flagship: getting assigned there would be the equivalent of getting a berth on the Constitution in our Navy. My friend's idea was based on that ship that people get threatened with when their carreer is in the toilet...
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Re: Star Trek fans bash new movie as "watchable/entertaining"
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2009, 05:08:33 PM »
I can't post it here, but there's a hillarious little writing out there on the net penned from the perspective of the Enterprise's Holodeck Janitor.

Think "Booth Cleaner" in an adult bookstore, and who's privy to all the senior staff's kinks and fantasies.   :lol:
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« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2009, 06:24:59 PM »
I'm pretty sure I heard "Starfleet" is not allowed to build battleships" in one episode.
I seem to recall the Defiant being classified as something else to get by this restriction.
Memory Alpha is down at the moment though.
All I remember is that the Defiant had a cloaking device, though everyone seemed to be able to detect it.  I thought that was what made it extra special. 

The Federation Marines show is a good idea.  They can all have red uniforms too.  :) 
I don't think I have ever seen armored troopers on Next Generation.  It only makes all the sense in the world.  They don't even have special operation people.  They kept borrowing the officers. 
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Re: Star Trek fans bash new movie as "watchable/entertaining"
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2009, 07:25:58 PM »
IMHO, the original series and DS9 were the only ones worth watching....TNG had a few moments....and VOYAGER was just dreadful...esp. when Lt. Catsuit was rescued from the Borg and became the ship's superwoman....  ;/

I'm really looking forward to the new movie....it's supposed to reinvent the franchise in a BIG way....planet-shattering, in fact.... ;)
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Re: Star Trek fans bash new movie as "watchable/entertaining"
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2009, 07:41:34 PM »
TOS is fun to watch.
TNG is terribly boring.
VOY was fun, probably my favorite.
DS9 is great too, but I haven't seen it all.
ENT was good too, but I didn't see much at all.
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« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2009, 09:13:47 PM »
The whole damn series was far too pacifistic "yay socialism" for me. The original is fun because of the atrocious acting and crappy fx. I'd still like to see a Warhammer 40k series (on HBO ofc, no one else would be able to show the necessary sex n' violence).
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« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2009, 10:51:23 PM »
Enterprise had a contigient of Marines on board (in the show "Enterprise")
I forget what they were called in show, but they were marines, no matter what you called 'em.

That show seemed to be the best in my opinion.  It had the right mix of wide eyed optimism with the right amount of asskicking when necessary.

And yes, I agree that most of the entire series (except for possibly DS9) was socialist porno, much like "Atlas Shrugged" or Mad Mike's "Freehold" was libertarian porn.  In both instances, both examples were impossible because people suck and will always screw things up.
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Re: Star Trek fans bash new movie as "watchable/entertaining"
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2009, 10:53:59 PM »
If this movie is as advertised (one review called it "Star Trek for people who don't like Star Trek") it just may be the first Star Trek movie I see.

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« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2009, 11:13:33 PM »
If this movie is as advertised (one review called it "Star Trek for people who don't like Star Trek") it just may be the first Star Trek movie I see.
I suspect that you'd like the movie with the whales. The Journey Home or something. Aside from the "by saving the whales, we're saving the world" bit, it's very entertaining.

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« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2009, 11:18:02 PM »
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TOS is fun to watch.
TNG is terribly boring.
VOY was fun, probably my favorite.
DS9 is great too, but I haven't seen it all.
ENT was good too, but I didn't see much at all.

Pretty much my assesment.  TNG has a few good episodes, such as The Inner Light, but much of it now looks and feels badly dated.  VOY was great fun, and one episode helped me to reach a final stance on a hot topic in our own society. 


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Re: Star Trek fans bash new movie as "watchable/entertaining"
« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2009, 11:21:57 PM »
I just want to see it to get the story on the scene in the trailer of an apparently enraged Spock pummeling Kirk on the bridge.

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Re: Star Trek fans bash new movie as "watchable/entertaining"
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2009, 01:20:34 AM »
movies have become so whine/preachy/dogmatic that I can't go see them anymore.
Its like the Oscars is a list of "must avoid"
I hope they all go broke.
I will give This latest Star Trek a try though.
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