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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #50 on: July 24, 2011, 04:10:24 AM »
Latest reports are that he was angry about Muslims in Norway, and the progress of socialism.  He identified as a Christian conservative.

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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #51 on: July 24, 2011, 04:21:49 AM »
Yep, and I'm sure this is going to help his cause and make people think highly of him ;/. Fcuking idiot...
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #52 on: July 24, 2011, 05:07:36 AM »
Yep, and I'm sure this is going to help his cause and make people think highly of him ;/. Fcuking idiot...

This will be why he'll never get out of confinement of some sort. He apparently doesn't think like you or me, and as such he'll always be a danger to society, the Norwegians will recognise that.

Sadly, he apparently predicted that Norwegian multiculturalism would lead to bloodshed, then went out and fulfilled his prophecy.
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #53 on: July 24, 2011, 05:10:17 AM »
Apparently, if reports are true, he'd been planning this for 9 years :O. And was apparently close to being arrested a month ago...

This will be why he'll never get out of confinement of some sort. He apparently doesn't think like you or me, and as such he'll always be a danger to society, the Norwegians will recognise that.

Sadly, he apparently predicted that Norwegian multiculturalism would lead to bloodshed, then went out and fulfilled his prophecy.
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #54 on: July 24, 2011, 07:08:03 AM »
Some of his manifesto, as seen quoted elsewhere:

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I have not yet felt the need to ask God for strength, yet... But I'm pretty sure I will pray to God as I'm rushing through my city, guns blazing, with 100 armed system protectors pursuing me with the intention to stop and/or kill. I know there is a 80%+ chance I am going to die during the operation as I have no intention to surrender to them until I have completed all three primary objectives AND the bonus mission. When I initiate (providing I haven't been apprehended before then), there is a 70% chance that I will complete the first objective, 40% for the second , 20% for the third and less than 5% chance that I will be able to complete the bonus mission...

...I can't possibly imagine how my state of mind will be during the time of the operation, though. It will be during a steroid cycle and on top of that; during an ephedrine rush, which will increase my aggressiveness, physical performance and mental focus with at least 50-60% but possibly up to 100%. In addition, I will put my iPod on max volume as a tool to suppress fear if needed. I might just put Lux Aeterna by Clint Mansell on repeat as it is an incredibly powerful song. The combination of these factors (when added on top of intense training, simulation, superior armour and weaponry) basically turns you into an extremely focused and deadly force, a one-man-army.

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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #55 on: July 24, 2011, 07:23:06 AM »
Understatement. Holy crap.
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #56 on: July 24, 2011, 08:17:30 AM »
Apparently, if reports are true, he'd been planning this for 9 years :O. And was apparently close to being arrested a month ago...
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #57 on: July 24, 2011, 08:34:30 AM »
He identified as a Christian conservative.



Last I heard, that was looking like it was bogus.  Facebook page modified, after he was captured.
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #58 on: July 24, 2011, 09:09:22 AM »
Last I heard, that was looking like it was bogus.  Facebook page modified, after he was captured.

Probably by Janet Napalatano...  [tinfoil]
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #59 on: July 24, 2011, 09:39:45 AM »
Is it just me or does the previously quoted statements from the manifesto seem:
1. Eerily similar to columbine ones
2. And thus, similarly juvenile?  Not juvenile in an insulting way, but in a "not fully developed psyche" way...expresses worry over potential performance and fear, unfamiliarity with effect, combined with arbitrary accuracy ("50-60%...100%". An relatively precise first statement, with a wholly imprecise caveat). 

Other than the obvious responses, is this guy "all there"?  It almost seems like a video game statement ("bonus mission").

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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #60 on: July 24, 2011, 09:44:17 AM »
Last I heard, that was looking like it was bogus.  Facebook page modified, after he was captured.

Who would do that?

This will be used as a stick to beat conservatives with, which will enrage certain conservatives until they next get given a stick to beat someone else with. Some of them thought they had one the other day, until the identity of the murdering bastard came out.
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #61 on: July 24, 2011, 10:12:16 AM »
Well it does appear that he was... very effective as a murderer.

I am confused: I expected it to be impossible for a single man - or even two men - to murder 80 others like this. Even given the use of firearms against the unarmed you would tihnk someone would have clubbed him over the head or something. Even simply throwing rocks could have posed a threat to him. Yet there is no record of him being injured.

Were all his firearms legally possessed? This is a question of little relevance in the real world, but in the world of politics it will have a powerful effect.
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #62 on: July 24, 2011, 10:16:18 AM »
Were all his firearms legally possessed? This is a question of little relevance in the real world, but in the world of politics it will have a powerful effect.
Yep, all legally possessed. He had tried getting an AK-47 earlier, but didn't manage, so instead he applied for a license for a Mini-14 and also a Glock pistol.
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #63 on: July 24, 2011, 10:19:46 AM »
Yep, all legally possessed. He had tried getting an AK-47 earlier, but didn't manage, so instead he applied for a license for a Mini-14 and also a Glock pistol.


...oh that's just the icing on the cake of fail.
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #64 on: July 24, 2011, 10:38:03 AM »
I am confused: I expected it to be impossible for a single man - or even two men - to murder 80 others like this. Even given the use of firearms against the unarmed you would tihnk someone would have clubbed him over the head or something. Even simply throwing rocks could have posed a threat to him. Yet there is no record of him being injured.

This is why many, at least here in the U.S. including myself on occasion, refer to the general public as the "sheeple." Obviously, it's a play on words, combining "the People" from our founding documents with "sheep," connoting extreme passivity and inability to respond effectively to danger. The island was a youth retreat -- I don't know what age range, but I saw a report that mentioned one surviving witness is 15 years old. So ... teenagers. From left-leaning families. Norway probably doesn't have a huge violence problem anyway, and I have no doubt that good Social Democrats would disavow violence and raise their children in ways guaranteed to make them as isolated as possible from the reality that there is evil in the world.

So, when faced with the reality of a man shooting at them with a submachine gun, they panicked, and either froze or ran. Who knows if any of them were old enough to have had even a miniscule chance of prevailing if they had rushed him? Heck, I'm a veteran of Vietnam and I would be hesitant to rush a guy with an MP5 blazing away. Throw rocks? Only works if there are enough people working together that the rocks create a diversion allowing others to rush him from behind. Kids in the U.S. are starting to think along such lines now as a result of multiple school shootings, but Norway has never had such incidents.

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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #65 on: July 24, 2011, 10:47:14 AM »
Do I not understand correctly he was only using a Mini-14 rifle and a shotgun?

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Only works if there are enough people working together that the rocks create a diversion allowing others to rush him from behind.

A friend of mine  lost his uncle in the Palestinian territories. He was killed by a 14-year-old kid with a brick. The uncle was armed and in the military at the time.
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #66 on: July 24, 2011, 10:52:47 AM »
Pistol, rifle and shotgun. Possibly used a knife to finish off wounded kids. Complete monster...
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #67 on: July 24, 2011, 12:00:58 PM »
WRT wondering why those unarmed did not find a way to disarm the attacker.

Remember that many of us have saturated ourselves with knowledge of human psychology, weapons capabilities, wound statistics, unarmed combat, etc etc. All of which come together to make us realize that taking on such a threat is not only plausible but entirely possible. Not to mention many of us have probably already thought through our reaction in just such a situation.

For those teenagers raised in a basically peaceful society, with no perceived need to learn those concepts, they would have found themselves completely unprepared.
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #68 on: July 24, 2011, 12:19:59 PM »
Remember that many of us have saturated ourselves with knowledge of human psychology, weapons capabilities, wound statistics, unarmed combat, etc etc. All of which come together to make us realize that taking on such a threat is not only plausible but entirely possible.

The instinctive human reaction is flee or failing that hide, particularly when faced with horrifying actions and overwhelming force. It takes a while for frightened and overwhelmed individuals to devise a course of action that flies in the face of that. You run or you hide and you hope to survive, or you club together and know that some of you will probably die. If they were mostly teenagers, and had no idea what was going on, I'm not in the slightest surprised. Also - it's apparently not acceptable to Monday morning quarterback a self-defence shooting, I'm not going to do the same to a bunch of terrified kids. Especially as I, and most other people living, have no idea how they would actually react, in that real life situation.
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #69 on: July 24, 2011, 12:30:12 PM »
Until he shoots the pilot, who crashes into the crowd he was trying to save...close contact CAS is hard enough for pros, let alone a (probably retired military) civilian pilot.
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #70 on: July 24, 2011, 12:33:46 PM »
seems like the usual trolls and knuckleheads are jumping on the "he was a right wing christian" bandwagon.

They cant seem to wrap their little minds around the fact of national socialism & its socialist platform & hatred of Christianity.
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #71 on: July 24, 2011, 01:03:50 PM »
seems like the usual trolls and knuckleheads are jumping on the "he was a right wing christian" bandwagon.

They cant seem to wrap their little minds around the fact of national socialism & its socialist platform & hatred of Christianity.


How's that any better than what they're doing? Ignoring the tired old Nazi trope - you're trying to pin his actions on the left. This same nonsense was the cause of my hiatus after the Giffords shooting - "he's yours", "no he's yours".

Besides which, he wasn't a Nazi, he expressed dislike for them in his manifesto I believe. He was anti-immigration, anti-muslim, believed he was a soldier in a righteous and godly war but didn't particularly view himself as a religious Christian, but a cultural one. Most of all though - he is a nut and a loon. That's the important bit. Same with Loughner.
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #72 on: July 24, 2011, 01:04:42 PM »
seems like the usual trolls and knuckleheads are jumping on the "he was a right wing christian" bandwagon.

They cant seem to wrap their little minds around the fact of national socialism & its socialist platform & hatred of Christianity.

The murderer self-identified as a free-market Christian and was a regular poster at Athlas Shrugs.
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #73 on: July 24, 2011, 01:15:04 PM »
The murderer self-identified as a free-market Christian and was a regular poster at Athlas Shrugs.

as well as knights of templar & naziism & probably a hodgepodge of kooky stuff.

a serial killer looking for justification, a kook, a nutjob, a deranged maniac.

If I ever "self identify" as a brain surgeon are you going to let me near you with a scalpel?
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Re: Terrorist attacks in Norway
« Reply #74 on: July 24, 2011, 01:18:14 PM »
Oh I am not saying he's got a clear set of ideas of any kind. But it's clear he tends towards a badly misunderstood mishmash of various 'nationalist' and 'conservative' ideas. I use inverted commas for a reason there.

This obviously opens itself to abuse by the usual suspects.
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