Bush the Patsy-part deux

[The Rabbi]

Wow, people in California, an immigration center, speak a language other than English very often.  The world as we know it must be ending.

I would bet that a similar study done in New York c.1920 would reveal the same, maybe even more so.

[grampster]

Well, I just got home from lollygagging with swmbo at the bar.  Good food, some really good conversation, bartender slipped a couple of cognacs into the coffee and wine did swmbo in.
So, Riley and Rabbi.  Put it to bed, please.  Then delete this thread so it doesn't lay there and tempt people.

Thank you,
Dick

[Paddy]

Nice buzz, eh grampster?


Rabbi, you're still failing to distinguish between legal and illegal in your continuing red herring argument.

But you know that.

[De Selby]

Wow, people in California, an immigration center, speak a language other than English very often.  The world as we know it must be ending.

I would bet that a similar study done in New York c.1920 would reveal the same, maybe even more so.

You know, I see you keep interjecting facts and factual comparisons into this discussion.

One thing I've come to accept about the "great immigration debate" is that hard data simply do not change people's opinions.  Facts are irrelevant as long as we're talking about "invader aliens".

Nice job trying to make some sense of it, anyway.

[Monkeyleg]

Seven pages. This must be the winner for the APS Longest Thread Ever That Didn't Sway Anyone's Views award.

[The Rabbi]

Nice buzz, eh grampster?


Rabbi, you're still failing to distinguish between legal and illegal in your continuing red herring argument.

But you know that.

Actually the study cited also failed to make the distinction.  But so what?  Longeyes' point apparantly is that America Is Doomed because people here don't all speak English.  I merely point out that during the peak immigration period about 1920 other centers of immigration also had a huge number of people who didnt speak English exclusively.
As a prediction for the apocalypse it fails miserably.  But then, so do all of Longeyes' arguments.

[longeyes]

I don't recall mentioning "apocalypse" but I thought you might like to know what's going on from the true cultural firing line.  My view is that we have a huge problem with ILLEGAL immigration and that our growing aversion to assimilation will inevitably fragment the nation and produce serious social strife.  When things get bad enough I plan to move to Tennessee and hang out with Rabbi.

[beaucoup ammo]

 I live less than a mile from I-35 here in San Antonio. Not looking forward to sharing the "speedway" with Mexican truck drivers who've gone without sleep. I love Ray Benson and "Asleep At The Wheel" but not in real life!

[The Rabbi]

I don't recall mentioning "apocalypse" but I thought you might like to know what's going on from the true cultural firing line.  My view is that we have a huge problem with ILLEGAL immigration and that our growing aversion to assimilation will inevitably fragment the nation and produce serious social strife.  When things get bad enough I plan to move to Tennessee and hang out with Rabbi.

OK.  And the way to stop illegal immigration is to legalize it.  End of problem.  Of course I suspect you won't see it that way.
And if you want to hang with seriously white people, try Idaho.  We have plenty of hard-working Hispanics here in Nashville.

[DustinD]

This forum would be better if people would only bash Libertarians for what Libertarians say, and bash the socialists for what socialists say.

While I am at it I wish economic discussions where limited to people who could at least pass a high school level economics class if they had to.

[The Rabbi]

This forum would be better if people would only bash Libertarians for what Libertarians say, and bash the socialists for what socialists say.

While I am at it I wish economic discussions where limited to people who could at least pass a high school level economics class if they had to.

Pass high school econ?  Heck, I wish we could get people who could spell.

[DustinD]

Fair enough, but apparantly(sic) you can't either. See post 155. The econ comment was not directed at you for what it is worth.

[longeyes]

Ah, Rabbi, we'll see how well you like Tennessee in a few years.  I'm glad all your "Hispanics" are hard-working; well, at least you think they are.  I'm sure they're no drain on your social services either.  I wonder, though, what your neighbors think.  Maybe they're not so keen on wide-open borders that would permit tens of millions of people to pour into the U.S.?

You seem to want to cast me as a racist despite my reiterated statements that culture and values are what matter.  No matter.  Knocking down straw men of your own creation is a futile and joyless pastime.

[K Frame]

Seven pages. This must be the winner for the APS Longest Thread Ever That Didn't Sway Anyone's Views award.

You know, I think you're right, and I think it's time to award the prize...

An all expenses paid thread closing.

[Paddy]

I don't recall mentioning "apocalypse" but I thought you might like to know what's going on from the true cultural firing line.  My view is that we have a huge problem with ILLEGAL immigration and that our growing aversion to assimilation will inevitably fragment the nation and produce serious social strife.  When things get bad enough I plan to move to Tennessee and hang out with Rabbi.

OK.  And the way to stop illegal immigration is to legalize it.  End of problem.  Of course I suspect you won't see it that way.
And if you want to hang with seriously white people, try Idaho.  We have plenty of hard-working Hispanics here in Nashville.

Rabbi, you might have a point if you were talking to someone in the Midwest. longeyes lives in California, arguably the most multicultural diverse state in the Union.  You can come here with nothing, completely unable to speak English, and the state will provide you with food, clothing and shelter, and in your own language.  Espanol? no problemo.  Korean, Vietnamese, Mandarin, Chinese, Tagalog, you name it, whatever we got it.  And we've got plenty of illegal'hard working Hispanics', too.  'Hard working' doesn't mean 'self sufficient'.  They're still tapping food stamps, WIC, free medical, and a host of other freebies provided by the generous people of the State of California.

And you do know why those illegal 'hard working Hispanics' are working, don't you?  Because they work cheap and can be manipulated by unscrupulous employers, who know very well they're hiring illegals and breaking the law doing it. (They've nothing to fear, there won't be any enforcement, especially under the Bush admin).  These wonderful 'free market' bloodsuckers can hire illegals cheap.  They don't have to pay those burdensome benefits Americans might require.  And the other legal requirements of payroll taxes and worker's compensation insurance?   They pocket those and undercut the competition.  Of course, these 'entrepreneurs' withhold $$ under the pretense of 'taxes', but they don't report.  They pocket it instead. And if theirillegal employees get out of line, there's always the threat of 'La Migra' to bring them back to compliance.

Go sell your "I'm not anti-enforcement, I'm pro freedom" bs to someone who'll buy it.  It's really about indenturing these people to one step above slavery in order to make an illegal buck.