Pass the Kool-Aid, please ...

[Hawkmoon]

Perhaps not a surprise that some private citizens are turning out to "guard" recruiting military centers. The same thing happened at a few schools around the country after Sandy Hook. What's perhaps surprising (or perhaps not) is the response from some corners of the .gov and .mil:

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150722/us--chattanooga_shooting-guarding_recruiters-a9bc06147b.htmlard=5.0

Capt. Jim Stenger, a Marine Corps public affairs officer for the recruiting district that includes parts of seven Midwestern states, said he hopes the gun-toting civilians will go home.

"While we greatly appreciate the support of the American public during this tragedy, we ask that citizens do not stand guard at our recruiting offices," Stenger said in an emailed statement. "Our continued public trust lies among our trained first responders for the safety of the communities where we live and work."

Idiot.

The U.S. Army Recruiting Command doesn't have a position on the citizens' actions as long as they aren't disrupting the recruiting centers, spokesman Brian Lepley said.

He said that while tragic, such incidents have happened only twice in six years at recruiting centers: in Chattanooga last week, and in Little Rock, Arkansas, in a 2009 shooting that killed one soldier and injured another.

"Recruiting stations need to be out in the public; we need to be out where young people are," Lepley said. Most recruiters are Afghanistan and Iraq war veterans well trained in dealing with shooters, he added.

Only twice in six years. That statement sounds a lot like, "This is considered an acceptable rate of collateral damage." And how, exactly, does prior service prepare sandbox veterans to deal with shooters when they (the vets) are unarmed? Maybe I'm all wrong, but I kind of thought over there our guys were trained to shoot back when people shot at them. How are they "well trained" to deal with shooters when they aren't armed? Are they taught to run like a girl and hide under the nearest desk ... like we were taught to do in case of atomic bomb attack when I was in grammar school back in the '50s?

[dogmush]

Perhaps not a surprise that some private citizens are turning out to "guard" recruiting military centers. The same thing happened at a few schools around the country after Sandy Hook. What's perhaps surprising (or perhaps not) is the response from some corners of the .gov and .mil:

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150722/us--chattanooga_shooting-guarding_recruiters-a9bc06147b.htmlard=5.0

Idiot.

Only twice in six years. That statement sounds a lot like, "This is considered an acceptable rate of collateral damage." And how, exactly, does prior service prepare sandbox veterans to deal with shooters when they (the vets) are unarmed? Maybe I'm all wrong, but I kind of thought over there our guys were trained to shoot back when people shot at them. How are they "well trained" to deal with shooters when they aren't armed? Are they taught to run like a girl and hide under the nearest desk ... like we were taught to do in case of atomic bomb attack when I was in grammar school back in the '50s?

Actually, Yes.  That is the DOD active shooter training.

[Devonai]

There is also (I'm paraphrasing here): As a last resort, fight back.  Be aggressive, and fight through pain.  Use improvised weapons, and do not stop until the threat has ceased.

So bonus points if you bludgeon a bad guy to death with a three-hole punch, I guess.

[230RN]

Never bring a three-hole paper punch to a gunfight.

[MillCreek]

So what caliber does the single little punch equate to?  A .22 or .25?

[Devonai]

.22.

The trick is to get the bad guy to stand still long enough for him to bleed out.

[KD5NRH]

So what caliber does the single little punch equate to?  A .22 or .25?

Depending on the manufacturer, .28 to .31.

[BlueStarLizzard]

Actually, Yes.  That is the DOD active shooter training.

Do they at least put some kind of material in the desks to make it proper cover?

Because, back when I was visiting the local recruiting offices (nice, shiny new ones) it was all flimsy wooden desks and drywall offices.

There wasn't anything I saw that would stop a bullet.

[SADShooter]

Do they at least put some kind of material in the desks to make it proper cover?

Because, back when I was visiting the local recruiting offices (nice, shiny new ones) it was all flimsy wooden desks and drywall offices.

There wasn't anything I saw that would stop a bullet.

GSA lowest bid. Much of it now likely Chinese.

[BlueStarLizzard]

GSA lowest bid. Much of it now likely Chinese.

So, in addition to being unable to find cover in the event of an active shooter scenario, the recruiters will also get lead poisoning.

[dogmush]

So, in addition to being unable to find cover in the event of an active shooter scenario, the recruiters will also get lead poisoning.

Yes.  Several varieties.

[roo_ster]

Do they at least put some kind of material in the desks to make it proper cover?

Because, back when I was visiting the local recruiting offices (nice, shiny new ones) it was all flimsy wooden desks and drywall offices.

There wasn't anything I saw that would stop a bullet.

Were I a recruiter, I would build some cheap bookshelves around the walls and then order complete hard copies of all the Army, DOD, Navy, AF, USMC regulations, pamphlets, training docs, etc. I could find and stuff the shelves with them. 

[dogmush]

Were I a recruiter, I would build some cheap bookshelves around the walls and then order complete hard copies of all the Army, DOD, Navy, AF, USMC regulations, pamphlets, training docs, etc. I could find and stuff the shelves with them. 

They don't issue hard copies of dod pubs anymore.  It's all online.

Foiled again.

[KD5NRH]

So, in addition to being unable to find cover in the event of an active shooter scenario, the recruiters will also get lead poisoning.

But if they lick the finish, the GHB will help with the pain.

[vaskidmark]

They don't issue hard copies of dod pubs anymore.  It's all online.

Foiled again.

Cartons and cartons of recruiting handouts.

Does slick paper allow a bullet to penetrate further or does it reduce penetration?

stay safe.