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The wait is over: Chinese invasion to arrive next month
« on: December 06, 2008, 04:14:05 PM »
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/582d470c-c307-11dd-a5ae-000077b07658.html

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Re: The wait is over: Chinese invasion to arrive next month
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2008, 04:23:24 PM »
So LA might actually become like Blade Runner, but with a lot more lead paint? :lol:

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Re: The wait is over: Chinese invasion to arrive next month
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2008, 04:27:26 PM »
So... Chinese pouring money into America? Money goood.
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Re: The wait is over: Chinese invasion to arrive next month
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2008, 04:59:59 PM »
They can have Komifornia.   :laugh:

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Re: The wait is over: Chinese invasion to arrive next month
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2008, 05:08:24 PM »
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So LA might actually become like Blade Runner,

That would actually be way cool....
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Re: The wait is over: Chinese invasion to arrive next month
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2008, 05:36:29 PM »
They can have Komifornia.   :laugh:

Exactly! 

And when they get to the state line, they can learn the hard way what the Japanese already knew during WW2. 

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Re: The wait is over: Chinese invasion to arrive next month
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2008, 06:20:21 PM »
Looking for real estate?

I just happen to have a bridge for sale.
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Re: The wait is over: Chinese invasion to arrive next month
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2008, 07:26:34 PM »
OH BOY!!! a whole state of take out!! =D

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Re: The wait is over: Chinese invasion to arrive next month
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2008, 08:10:13 PM »
OH BOY!!! a whole state of take out!! =D

...that fail health inspections.

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Re: The wait is over: Chinese invasion to arrive next month
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2008, 08:21:57 PM »
For the appropriate number of Krugerands, Grampster's Keep on the lake here in the frozen, snowy woodlands of W. Michigan is available to my Chinese  brothers and sisters.  :cool:
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Re: The wait is over: Chinese invasion to arrive next month
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2008, 04:25:55 PM »
If the Chinese take California, can they please take Feinstein, Boxer, Pelosi, and it's electoral votes too?

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Re: The wait is over: Chinese invasion to arrive next month
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2008, 05:45:41 PM »
If the Chinese take California, can they please take Feinstein, Boxer, Pelosi, and it's electoral votes too?

I agree, it's got to be a package deal.  All or nuthin'.
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Re: The wait is over: Chinese invasion to arrive next month
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2008, 06:17:02 PM »
The last fire sale didn't cause the end of America as we know it, remember back in the 80's when the Japanese were buying everything up?
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Re: The wait is over: Chinese invasion to arrive next month
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2008, 06:18:42 PM »
The last fire sale didn't work out like planned when the Japanese were buying everything up in the 80's did it?

It did form an important element of now dated cyberpunk fiction.

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Re: The wait is over: Chinese invasion to arrive next month
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2008, 06:19:56 PM »
Where else is Mal going to learn the gorram language?
 
Oh, and it's interesting looking at Hong Kong folks over here... A lot of the Chinese students attending Washington University in midtown St. Louis barely blinked at $1,000+ rents for high rise apartments...
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Re: The wait is over: Chinese invasion to arrive next month
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2008, 06:20:14 PM »
You posted fast, lol I reworded my clunky post as you were responding.

Everyone was up in arms on how we were going to lose Hawaii back then.
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Re: The wait is over: Chinese invasion to arrive next month
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2008, 06:28:33 PM »
Where else is Mal going to learn the gorram language?
 
Oh, and it's interesting looking at Hong Kong folks over here... A lot of the Chinese students attending Washington University in midtown St. Louis barely blinked at $1,000+ rents for high rise apartments...

In the northeast, that gets you a 1BR in a questionable area, so that's not that surprising. That's also less than half the price of rather cruddy old buildings (one lightbulb in hallway, smells like pee) with no central HVAC that Harvard students live in in Somerville (slummerville) Mass.

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Re: The wait is over: Chinese invasion to arrive next month
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2008, 06:41:02 PM »
Japanese did the same thing and it didn't work out all that well.
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Re: The wait is over: Chinese invasion to arrive next month
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2008, 08:36:15 PM »
...that fail health inspections.

But they won't have a problem with feral animals...

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Re: The wait is over: Chinese invasion to arrive next month
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2008, 09:48:35 PM »
Makes me mad, but it's the free market...they can do what they want. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

So folks are mad that the ChiComs will dump their money back into America instead of Swiss banks?   Plus, it makes them actively interested in the overall wellfare of their property.  Not like they can dig up the dirt and ship it back to the mainland.
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Re: The wait is over: Chinese invasion to arrive next month
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2008, 02:43:18 PM »
So folks are mad that the ChiComs will dump their money back into America instead of Swiss banks?   Plus, it makes them actively interested in the overall wellfare of their property.  Not like they can dig up the dirt and ship it back to the mainland.

I must be smokin' the same crack as RevDisk, 'cause the thought of more foreign direct investment, just when our economy needs investment to help it get out of recession, sounds like just what the doctor ordered.
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Re: The wait is over: Chinese invasion to arrive next month
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2008, 02:45:49 PM »
I must be smokin' the same crack as RevDisk, 'cause the thought of more foreign direct investment, just when our economy needs investment to help it get out of recession, sounds like just what the doctor ordered.

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Re: The wait is over: Chinese invasion to arrive next month
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2008, 02:49:07 PM »
Frankly, I suspect that the Chicoms won't have that much longer to toss that sort of cash around.



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China’s corrupt model produces toxic-baby formula but spic-and-span finances?


By Jonah Goldberg

These are humbling times for champions of the free market and American-style capitalism. The CEOs of the Big Three car companies are kneeling before Uncle Sam like Henry in the snows of Canossa. The stock market volatility these days is looking more and more like a death rattle. No one wants to check their 401(k) for fear of their face melting like that Gestapo guy in Raiders of the Lost Ark when he peeked inside the Ark of the Covenant.

But while we cheerleaders for economic liberty need to take our lumps and spend some time thinking about where things went wrong, it would be nice if the Chicken Littles spent a wee bit of time doing likewise.

Exhibit A: China. You can’t pick up a copy of Newsweek without reading something by Fareed Zakaria about how China will only get larger and larger in our rearview mirror. Five years ago, Goldman Sachs predicted that China’s GDP would overtake America’s by 2041. Now it thinks that China will reach us in 2027. (Of course, with a much bigger population, China’s per-capita wealth would be much lower than ours.) The National Intelligence Council’s new report, “Global Trends 2025: A Transformed World,” echoes these concerns.

Heck, maybe they’re all right. Maybe not. The simple fact is that no one knows.

But I’d bet against it.

First of all, there’s a long record of very smart people making very bad predictions. Just Google “bad predictions” and you’ll see what I mean. In 1943, the chairman of IBM said, “I think there is a world market for maybe five computers.” Legend has it the head of the U.S. Patent Office said in 1899, “Everything that can be invented has been invented.” Neville Chamberlain prophesied “peace in our time.”

And roughly two decades ago, the best and brightest were telling us that “Japan Inc.” was going to overtake America any day now.

“Future historians,” warned Harvard’s Ezra Vogel in 1986, “may well mark the mid-1980s as the time when Japan surpassed the United States to become the world’s dominant economic power.” Yale’s Paul Kennedy wrote a blockbuster of a book concluding that American policies should be designed to manage our decline “so that the relative erosion of the United States’ position takes place slowly and smoothly.” When Jacques Attali was head of the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development in 1991, he observed that America was becoming akin to “Japan’s granary, like Poland was for Flanders in the seventeenth century.”

Journalist James Fallows, political scientist Chalmers Johnson, and economist Lester Thurow were fawned over for their supposedly incontrovertible conclusion that Japan was the future. “The Cold War is over,” Johnson wrote, “and Japan won.”

Then, as you may have heard, the Japanese economy went kablooey.

The Japan example not only demonstrates that smart people can be wrong and that the elite chattering classes are prone to groupthink, but it helps illuminate why they are so prone to this sort of thing.

For more than a century, countless American intellectuals and business leaders have looked enviously at how foreign countries “planned” and “managed” their economies. Woodrow Wilson and the Progressives drooled over Otto von Bismarck, and today every self-proclaimed “global strategist” gazes at China’s managed capitalism like a kid with his nose pressed against a candy-store window.

Of course, China has made enormous progress since it decided that markets are a more desirable means of improving the lot of its citizens than organized mass murder. But China’s fans still have an enormous blind spot.

Ask yourself this: Why are we in this financial crisis?

Any short list of reasons would include a lack of transparency in markets and regulatory rule-making; collusion between business and government; the politicization of lending practices (including the socialization of risk and the privatization of profit through giant governmental entities like Fannie Mae); and, of course, simple greed.

Does anyone honestly think China doesn’t have these problems ten times over? It has no free press, no democratic accountability, and no truly independent regulators.


After every Chinese earthquake, we discover that safety inspectors couldn’t be trusted to oversee the construction of schools and hospitals. And we’re supposed to believe that China’s corrupt model produces toxic baby formula but spic-and-span finances?

There’s an honest debate about how much blame institutions like Fannie Mae and laws like the Community Reinvestment Act deserve for the financial crisis, but few honest observers dispute that they played some kind of deleterious role. Well, China’s entire economy is one big Fannie Mae, its laws one big Community Reinvestment Act.

I’m willing to bet that the bill for that comes due long, long, long before China catches up with the United States of America.

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