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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: 41magsnub on September 26, 2013, 10:24:50 AM
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http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/09/26/first-cases-flesh-eating-drug-krokodil-surface-in-us/
This crap is like meth squared. Hopefully it doesn't take off with the junkies.
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Look at what it's made from:
1 drug that is prescription-only here in the US but OTC in Russia, and a bunch of household chemicals swooshed together in a home depot bucket.
It's dirt cheap to make. It'll have a street price lower than meth, and a consumer in a lower place in life than meth users.
This is exactly why (downward-spiraling inventiveness) the Great War on Drugs will never be won, and Prohibition 2.0 needs to be abandoned. Sell meth at the customer service counter right next to the Marlboros.
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On the optimistic front, if this stuff leaves meth in the dust, does this mean they'll put the freakin' Sudafed back in the aisle with the other cold and allergy meds?
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On the optimistic front, if this stuff leaves meth in the dust, does this mean they'll put the freakin' Sudafed back in the aisle with the other cold and allergy meds?
:rofl:
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Look at what it's made from:
1 drug that is prescription-only here in the US but OTC in Russia, and a bunch of household chemicals swooshed together in a home depot bucket.
It's dirt cheap to make. It'll have a street price lower than meth, and a consumer in a lower place in life than meth users.
This is exactly why (downward-spiraling inventiveness) the Great War on Drugs will never be won, and Prohibition 2.0 needs to be abandoned. Sell meth at the customer service counter right next to the Marlboros.
Lower than a meth user. Found not in the gutter, but in the scrapings at the bottom of the gutter.
I have been for legalizing it all for some time for lots of reasons, but "reasonably priced and relatively safe meth" alternative to this stuff was not one I had considered. Ain't no legislature or LEO that can keep up with folk who want to blitz their brain.
On the optimistic front, if this stuff leaves meth in the dust, does this mean they'll put the freakin' Sudafed back in the aisle with the other cold and allergy meds?
Don't you know that that was considered a "success" in the WoSD?
Similar to morphine or heroin, krokodil is made by mixing codeine with substances like gasoline, paint thinner, oil or alcohol. That mixture is then injected into a vein, potentially causing an addict's skin to turn greenish, scaly and eventually rot away.
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fprojectfetus.files.wordpress.com%2F2012%2F12%2Fwtf-meme-face.jpg%3Fw%3D600&hash=6fd4cd3b6f64f3ba351beb6afa1e36ea0ecf29cc)
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Wow. I remember reading a really interesting story in the WSJ a couple of years ago on the use of this drug in Russia. The story painted quite the picture about how rapidly the users tended to end up dead or gravely disabled.
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Similar to morphine or heroin, krokodil is made by mixing codeine with substances like gasoline, paint thinner, oil or alcohol. That mixture is then injected into a vein, potentially causing an addict's skin to turn greenish, scaly and eventually rot away.
wow.
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Wow. I remember reading a really interesting story in the WSJ a couple of years ago on the use of this drug in Russia. The story painted quite the picture about how rapidly the users tended to end up dead or gravely disabled.
Sounds like society wins.
Color me unimpressed by sensationalist journalism.
EXTRA! EXTRA! Idiots find ways to seriously hurt/kill themselves! Read all about it! We must increase our efforts in the war on drugs. It's for the chilluns!
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Not going to link them here, but a google image search on krokodil is very disturbing.
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So another drug with legitimate use turned into a nasty blight from sloppy synthesis techniques. Lovely.
Maybe as a society we should just supply the addicts with a clean supply so those who can run their lives reasonably well can continue to do so without all the problems and ill effects that result from a dirty drug.
For those who can't even do that, a cot and daily dole of food yeast on some far away island.
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I do wonder when the junkies will just start injecting unleaded gasoline directly into their bodies and skip the home depot bucket entirely. And if I'll then have to go through background checks and get a mechanic's permission slip for each gallon of gas I want to buy.
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This is exactly why (downward-spiraling inventiveness) the Great War on Drugs will never be won, and Prohibition 2.0 needs to be abandoned. Sell meth at the customer service counter right next to the Marlboros.
"It's morphine Mr. Suprynowicz. It's for my Mom."
(obscure sf-nal reference that AZR might actually get.)
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Good riddance morons!
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I have never read that, but I've heard the quote a few times.
I've stumbled onto Stephen King and Peter Straub's Talisman collaboration and it seems tied in with the Dark Tower universe so I'm neck deep on those two books for the moment. I'll add The American Zone to the list.
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Sounds like society wins.
Indeed. This is one of those subjects in which I don't care if I sound callous. Anyone stupid enough to inject such a concoction deserves what they get and really, does the rest of us a favor. I see no reason to try and stop its spread. I consider it a natural IQ test.
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I have never read that, but I've heard the quote a few times.
A TV ad in American Zone. My recollection is: Cute little 10 year old Cindy buys a machine pistol and 1K rounds for herself and a pound of morphine for her mom. Helpful proprietor makes her put back the name brand morphine and pick up a pound bag of the store brand stuff, on sale.
I've stumbled onto Stephen King and Peter Straub's Talisman collaboration and it seems tied in with the Dark Tower universe so I'm neck deep on those two books for the moment. I'll add The American Zone to the list.
I pooped out on Dark Tower after the third book.
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Indeed. This is one of those subjects in which I don't care if I sound callous. Anyone stupid enough to inject such a concoction deserves what they get and really, does the rest of us a favor. I see no reason to try and stop its spread. I consider it a natural IQ test.
Except, of course, for the amount of healthcare resources that the users consume on the way down. That money comes from somewhere. The hospitals can't throw them out of the emergency room, so either the Feds, the state or the hospital pays for it.
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Except, of course, for the amount of healthcare resources that the users consume on the way down. That money comes from somewhere. The hospitals can't throw them out of the emergency room, so either the Feds, the state or the hospital pays for it.
True. In my world, people could put whatever they want in their bodies, and live or die, as long as they don't make me (or the public) responsible for them. I'm sure a lot of the people that take this crap have children too, but society trying to save people from themselves has to have some kind of an "enough is enough" line somewhere Both in the war on these drugs, and how much public assistance we want to give to people that harm themselves, versus people that might need help because of something that happened to them through no fault of their own.
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Indeed. This is one of those subjects in which I don't care if I sound callous. Anyone stupid enough to inject such a concoction deserves what they get and really, does the rest of us a favor. I see no reason to try and stop its spread. I consider it a natural IQ test.
I'm inclined to nod my head on that one.
Except, of course, for the amount of healthcare resources that the users consume on the way down. That money comes from somewhere. The hospitals can't throw them out of the emergency room, so either the Feds, the state or the hospital pays for it.
But I wonder if the additional resources spent on caring for them is offset by the additional costs of enforcing the drug laws. Let alone the evanescent costs to our freedoms and safety that the Drug War incurs.
That's the same argument people bring up with respect to any new "safety law," like seat belts and motorcycle helmets and the "super-sized soft drink" law that was brought up recently in New York.
I tend to err on the side of personal freedom.
Tough one.
Terry
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Not going to link them here, but a google image search on krokodil is very disturbing.
Are the images anything like Cheech and Chong's version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OuaNl1rj5s&feature=player_detailpage#t=21)? (About 21 seconds in)
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"It's morphine Mr. Suprynowicz. It's for my Mom."
(obscure sf-nal reference that AZR might actually get.)
"Shame on you! Go put that back and grab the generic morphine instead, it's just as good and save the money!"
Or something to that effect... =D
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I'm inclined to nod my head on that one.
But I wonder if the additional resources spent on caring for them is offset by the additional costs of enforcing the drug laws. Let alone the evanescent costs to our freedoms and safety that the Drug War incurs.
That's the same argument people bring up with respect to any new "safety law," like seat belts and motorcycle helmets and the "super-sized soft drink" law that was brought up recently in New York.
I tend to err on the side of personal freedom.
Tough one.
Terry
I'm ok with helmet and seat belt laws because, in general, they cost almost nothing to enforce. In fact, they BRING revenue. Additionally, I've yet to see entire federal agencies raised for the purpose of combating the scourge of helmet use. I haven't seen people oppressed in the name of those things.
The War on Drugs however...
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Except, of course, for the amount of healthcare resources that the users consume on the way down. That money comes from somewhere. The hospitals can't throw them out of the emergency room, so either the Feds, the state or the hospital pays for it.
Like others said, enforement has got to be an enormous cost.
How many addicts can be treated for the cost of a single incarceration?
If one could buy cheap high grade heroine or cocaine at the local grocery store, I doubt we'd see scourges like Meth and 'krokadil.'
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Like others said, enforement has got to be an enormous cost.
How many addicts can be treated for the cost of a single incarceration?
If one could buy cheap high grade heroine or cocaine at the local grocery store, I doubt we'd see scourges like Meth and 'krokadil.'
Is Meth even all that bad? All I know about it I learned from anti-drug PSAs.
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Indeed. This is one of those subjects in which I don't care if I sound callous. Anyone stupid enough to inject such a concoction deserves what they get and really, does the rest of us a favor. I see no reason to try and stop its spread. I consider it a natural IQ test.
and darwin would smile
oh and serious meth? its that bad
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"It's morphine Mr. Suprynowicz. It's for my Mom."
(obscure sf-nal reference that AZR might actually get.)
I get that one too. Only reason I'd slow down if a broach opened would be to get my family.
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There is a fledgling program (was, is, IDK if it's still going on) in a big city in Canada where a free shelter type place was offered for junkies to shoot up. Nurses on staff, clean needles and rehab services where all provided.
I actually would be ok paying for something like that. It cuts down on the spread of transmutable deases, keeps the junkies from doping up or dieing in the streets and provides rehab services (always good)
It basically worked as save who they can and have a central location and collection point for those intent on killing themselves.
And it's probably cheaper then the War on Drugs, too.
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There is a fledgling program (was, is, IDK if it's still going on) in a big city in Canada where a free shelter type place was offered for junkies to shoot up. Nurses on staff, clean needles and rehab services where all provided.
I actually would be ok paying for something like that. It cuts down on the spread of transmutable deases, keeps the junkies from doping up or dieing in the streets and provides rehab services (always good)
It basically worked as save who they can and have a central location and collection point for those intent on killing themselves.
And it's probably cheaper then the War on Drugs, too.
I recently read a follow up about that. They've seen an impressive reduction in overdose deaths and other issues in that city
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I recently read a follow up about that. They've seen an impressive reduction in overdose deaths and other issues in that city
I belive it.
I hope the other libertarian types don't kill me for saying this, but I don't mind a certain number of social programs as long as the *expletive deleted*ing WORK.
Something like this, that could work and benifit society as a whole, there for, is a reasonable expense.
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I belive it.
I hope the other libertarian types don't kill me for saying this, but I don't mind a certain number of social programs as long as the *expletive deleted* WORK.
Something like this, that could work and benifit society as a whole, there for, is a reasonable expense.
I'd never kill you for saying anything.
However, will you send men with guns to take money from me against my will as long as 51% of you decide it's the right thing (i.e. your social programs)?
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I'd never kill you for saying anything.
However, will you send men with guns to take money from me against my will as long as 51% of you decide it's the right thing (i.e. your social programs)?
You're like a heat seeking missle. Do you have a red light that flashes and a siren that goes off in your batcave to inform you when someone is having a statist moment or something?
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I belive it.
I hope the other libertarian types don't kill me for saying this, but I don't mind a certain number of social programs as long as the *expletive deleted* WORK.
Something like this, that could work and benifit society as a whole, there for, is a reasonable expense.
That kind of a thing doesn't bother me if it's part of a general realignment and draw-down of govt services - like vastly cutting the war on drugs and using some of the money on a center like this - for a while. The hope would be that it would eventually turn into private charity. I don't care how many methadone clinics or rehab centers there are (to a point) if I'm not paying for them.
I'm also fine without 100% eliminating govt "social assistance". I would just want to see it severely restricted. I have no problem with some govt money going to help people whose homes have been wiped out by a hurricane. I also wouldn't have problems with some money helping people get a leg up if they had a personal catastrophe. For a short time only. Generally, helping of those who might otherwise go on welfare is best left to organizations like the Salvation Army, especially for longer periods and for things like retraining. If so many of my tax dollars didn't go to govt social programs that I have no say about, much more of my money would go to charitable organizations.
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You're like a heat seeking missle. Do you have a red light that flashes and a siren that goes off in your batcave to inform you when someone is having a statist moment or something?
My own little NSA supercluster.
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You're like a heat seeking missle. Do you have a red light that flashes and a siren that goes off in your batcave to inform you when someone is having a statist moment or something?
He has a sixth sense statism detector.
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I recently read a follow up about that. They've seen an impressive reduction in overdose deaths and other issues in that city
This is Vancouver BC. The concept is 'harm reduction': you probably can't get them to quit drugs, but you can provide measures to minimize the risk of them contracting Hep C, HIV and other issues, which ends up saving you healthcare dollars. The same concept as the needle exchanges, although Vancouver takes it a step further.
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a consumer in a lower place in life than meth users.
There's lower than a meth user? How is that even *expletive deleted*ing possible?
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Well, the obvious solution to meet all needs would be provide (or not provide) social welfare programs on a local level, rather then a State or Federal level. ;)
That way the vote demigraphic would be more accurate to the needs of those people and if you don't like it, moving is a real option.
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There's lower than a meth user? How is that even *expletive deleted* possible?
Well, you mix codine with gas and swish it around in a bucket and then inject it under your skin...
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Sounds like a party
APS meet up ?
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So do you get Krokodil hookers, like you do with the meth hookers? Only with the former, pieces fall off once you really get going?
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Sounds like a party
APS meet up ?
what? And find out if krokidile addicts are flamable?
Because it's not an APS meetup if something doesn't go boom.
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So do you get Krokodil hookers, like you do with the meth hookers? Only with the former, pieces fall off once you really get going?
Well if you like when they fall all over you...
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Well, the obvious solution to meet all needs would be provide (or not provide) social welfare programs on a local level, rather then a State or Federal level. ;)
That way the vote demigraphic would be more accurate to the needs of those people and if you don't like it, moving is a real option.
This idea, I like it. That way in the hippy trippy areas they can have their druggie love-ins and out here in 'Murica we'll kill 'em for stealing our A/C units.
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been needle exchanges for decades.
good idea too
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I've got agree with Ben. Let the problem solve itself. The sad fact is that there are many, many people that would willingly adopt the children, who currently go to Russia, China, Africa etc, because attempting to adopt here is a complete and total joke.
Were I king, if you end up in an emergency room with heroin, meth, PCP or similar drugs in your system, your parental rights are instantly terminated and your children put-up for adoption in Scout26's "Pretty Much Like The Orphan Trains" adoption policy.
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On the optimistic front, if this stuff leaves meth in the dust, does this mean they'll put the freakin' Sudafed back in the aisle with the other cold and allergy meds?
Doubt it. The PSE that people buy from me and my crew behind the counter is not even an eensy weensy fraction of the PSE that the big meth operations use.
That stuff comes in truckloads from India. There is *no* oversight in India... well... regarding any drug, and the stranglehold that the FDA has on American medicine is laughable.
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Not going to link them here, but a google image search on krokodil is very disturbing.
Holy Crap!!! [barf]