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The war of the Spanish Secession
« on: October 04, 2017, 06:13:09 PM »
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/catalonia-expected-to-move-to-declare-independence-from-spain-on-monday/ar-AAsSYVu?OCID=ansmsnnews11

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Catalonia will move on Monday to declare independence from Spain after holding a banned referendum, pushing the European Union nation towards a rupture that threatens the foundations of its young democracy.

Alright, which one of you broke Spain?
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Re: The war of the Spanish Secession
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2017, 07:09:13 PM »
Quote from: fistful on October 04, 2017, 06:13:09 PM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/catalonia-expected-to-move-to-declare-independence-from-spain-on-monday/ar-AAsSYVu?OCID=ansmsnnews11

Alright, which one of you broke Spain?

You are trying to say it wasn’t your fault? Doesn’t that break APS? What’s next Dogs and Cats living together?

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Re: The war of the Spanish Secession
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2017, 09:11:50 PM »
Maturin finally pulled it off  :cool:
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Re: The war of the Spanish Secession
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2017, 09:56:48 PM »
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Re: The war of the Spanish Secession
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2017, 02:32:46 AM »
Do we get to re-fight the War of Jenkins Ear ??   (Oops, that was part of the War of Austrian Succession)

Can we defenestrate a couple of governors and their secretary ??  (Ooops, that was the kick-off to the Thirty Years War)

Does this mean that Spain gets back: the Spanish Netherlands, the Kingdom of Naples, the Duchy of Milan and Sardinia; the Kingdom of Sicily; and Gibraltar??
« Last Edit: October 05, 2017, 11:44:10 AM by Amy Schumer »
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Re: The war of the Spanish Secession
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2017, 06:43:45 AM »
No, but we will give them the California territory to ease the sting.
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Re: The war of the Spanish Secession
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2017, 08:02:08 AM »
Quote from: French G. on October 05, 2017, 06:43:45 AM
No, but we will give them the California territory to ease the sting.

NOW yer talkin' my language!
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Re: The war of the Spanish Secession
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2017, 09:19:50 AM »
Quibble: The country seceding is "Catalonia", not Spain.

This is the War of Catalan Secession. We don't call ours "The British Revolution" do we?
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Re: The war of the Spanish Secession
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2017, 09:34:32 AM »
My daughter wrote this.  It was republished by Newsweek.

https://fee.org/articles/spain-should-let-catalonia-vote/
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Re: The war of the Spanish Secession
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2017, 10:17:28 AM »
Quote from: makattak on October 05, 2017, 09:19:50 AM
Quibble: The country seceding is "Catalonia", not Spain.

This is the War of Catalan Secession. We don't call ours "The British Revolution" do we?


Face. Palm.

It's word-play. I assume you're familiar with the historical reference.

The secession movement in Catalonia is happening in Spain, as Catalonia is currently part of Spain. So I'm comfortable calling it a "Spanish secession," in the same way that I'm comfortable with calling the war between the U.S. and the C.S.A. a "civil war."

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Re: The war of the Spanish Secession
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2017, 10:21:19 AM »
Quote from: makattak on October 05, 2017, 09:19:50 AM
Quibble: The country seceding is "Catalonia", not Spain.

This is the War of Catalan Secession. We don't call ours "The British Revolution" do we?

Only if Catalan wins. ;)
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Re: The war of the Spanish Secession
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2017, 10:25:43 AM »
How were the Russians involved?
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Re: The war of the Spanish Secession
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2017, 01:43:22 PM »
Would someone kindly sum up what the issues are - why Catalonia is now pushing so hard for secession?

Taxes?

EU dictates?

Historic mistreatment - conquest, reconquest, annexation, occupation?

The reasons seem to be conspicuously absent from the news reports I've seen, and Wikipedia makes its history sound no more messy than much of the rest of Europe.
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Re: The war of the Spanish Secession
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2017, 02:08:07 PM »
Quote from: HankB on October 05, 2017, 01:43:22 PM
Would someone kindly sum up what the issues are - why Catalonia is now pushing so hard for secession?

Taxes?

EU dictates?

Historic mistreatment - conquest, reconquest, annexation, occupation?

The reasons seem to be conspicuously absent from the news reports I've seen, and Wikipedia makes its history sound no more messy than much of the rest of Europe.
One reason I heard was that Catalonia supports much of the rest of Spain financially. Then there's a multitude of historical grievances, including the suppression of their native tongue, general oppression aimed against them during the Franco era which they still hold grudges about, and probably many others I did not catch while reading.
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Re: The war of the Spanish Secession
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2017, 02:23:18 PM »
This must be giving the Basques some ideas.
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Re: The war of the Spanish Secession
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2017, 03:01:02 PM »
Quote from: Viking on October 05, 2017, 02:08:07 PM
One reason I heard was that Catalonia supports much of the rest of Spain financially. Then there's a multitude of historical grievances, including the suppression of their native tongue, general oppression aimed against them during the Franco era which they still hold grudges about, and probably many others I did not catch while reading.

Those are what I have been reading as well.

Additionally, I think there is a general sense of discontent in the world, evidenced by Brexit and Trump's election, with the increasing "globalization" and suppression of national identities. The Catalans are part of this Zeitgeist.
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Re: The war of the Spanish Secession
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2017, 08:07:28 PM »
Quote from: HankB on October 05, 2017, 01:43:22 PM
Would someone kindly sum up what the issues are - why Catalonia is now pushing so hard for secession?


Slavery and States Rights...
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Re: The war of the Spanish Secession
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2017, 08:37:46 PM »
... and a tax on tea.
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Re: The war of the Spanish Secession
« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2017, 10:28:49 PM »
Remember the Alamo!
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Re: The war of the Spanish Secession
« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2017, 10:32:33 PM »
Quote from: French G. on October 05, 2017, 06:43:45 AM
No, but we will give them the California territory to ease the sting.

And Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, St. Louis, inter alia.
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Re: The war of the Spanish Secession
« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2017, 10:40:32 PM »
Remember Jenkin's Ear!!!
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Re: The war of the Spanish Secession
« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2017, 09:15:10 AM »
No one said Remember the Maine?

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Re: The war of the Spanish Secession
« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2017, 09:34:16 AM »
I forgot all about the Maine. And the Alamo. And Jenkin's Ear. I even forgot the 5th of the November, the gunpowder treason and plot.
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« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2017, 10:15:01 AM »
The Alamo was Mexico. Mexico won independence from Spain in 1821.
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Re: The war of the Spanish Secession
« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2017, 12:20:40 PM »
Quote from: fistful on October 05, 2017, 02:23:18 PM
This must be giving the Basques some ideas.

That's what I was thinking.
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