doczinn,
I do not doubt you were. Do you know what exactly was on their minds - each and every one of them?
I further do not doubt that some Iraqis have been glad to see our presence there. However I am addressing two aspects to what was an organized and extensive operation by our gov and syndicated media using people like Chalabi to give an impression that things were alot different from what they actually were when Baghdad was "liberated".
So let me ask again, not just the Rabbi, but anyone following this; do you not remember the staged CNN presentations of the shouting cheering "crowds" parading through the streets of Baghdad, showing "V" signs etc that were eventually exposed as rather small groups organized by Mr Chalabi and the media for our gov propaganda?
Of Chalabi's
little merry band in Baghdad square when Hussein's statue was pulled down filmed to the total exclusion of just how little the group was, and that Baghdad square was all but empty? Save the tanks and troops ringing the place?
Yet CNN & Co perpetuated the lie - in carefully edited and focussed audio-visual - that half of Bagdad was celebrating enmasse in the streets, and in Baghdad square when the statue was pulled down.
I do,
very clearly.
But for those with amnesia, or just too young to remember - and those who prefer to play dumb - some people have archived some of the relevant material:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2842.htmThe Rabbi,
I do not say the celebrating Palestinians is patently false - but I have doubts based on what has been blatantly obvious about syndicated media and the current ongoing geo-political agenda.
The Urban Moving Systems story is not hearsay. It was mainstream news for awhile, and as is the common denominator in truly politically embarrassing or contrary stories, most of the material held by mainstream sources is no longer accessible. This is very common. But I'll bet every syndicated rag on the web will have a big story, editorial or column on the "celebrating Paletsinians" easily accessible.
I'll give another example. In the weeks following 9/11, I viewed American and United Airlines corporate websites where they had both published the official AA and UA flight manifests for the hijacked planes. Pilots, co-pilots - the entire flight crews - and all the passengers were named.
Named; from the manifests. On none of those pages did a single name of the alleged hijackers appear. Not one.
Does that mean they were not on the planes? Perhaps. Perhaps they were. But the point is - it is more than a "minor discrepency" and can not be a simple "error". Most people do know, that one can not embark on a commercial sheduled flight in the United States without buying tickets, and being issued a boarding pass - which lead to becoming listed on the flight passenger manifest.
So when questions arose like,
".. how exactly does one board a commercial flight in the United States without being on the passenger manifest?" these pages disappeared. AA and UA took these pages down rather quickly.
So while it is popular, and encouraged, to address people like kooks who are not prostrate in support of the
official fairytale, there exists some common elements among the
fairytale believers. Where through a combination of amnesia, general convenience, and perhaps an element of fear, what is
known (or what they
used to know) about the official storytellers - their recent modern history - is detached or set aside.
They seem to have been so shock and awed (remember that phrase?) by the presentation of the events that somehow what they
did know - they used to know - in the past no longer applies. All the instances of State sponsored and instigated terrorism - actual or planned, foreign and domestic - and media co-operation,
cease to exist.
Somewhat like women who cling onto men that are unfaithful to them - and beat them up. They keep going back when the right cues are given, and despite the increasing magnitude of the beatings, are always just as obstinate in their defense of their oppressor.
Here's another from the Memory Hole - an orchestrated and fake propaganda performance to gather support for the invasion of Kuwait:
"I saw the Iraqi soldiers come into the hospital with guns. They took the babies out of the incubators, took the incubators and left the children to die on the cold floor. It was horrifying." -- Nayirah, Kuwaiti Citizen, testifying before Congressional Human Rights Caucus, Oct. 10, 1990.
http://www.niagarafallsreporter.com/gallagher83.htmlA video of weeping Nayirah performing before members of our Congress was on the web and is probably still there for those who missed it years ago.
Performing Nayirah - right in front of Congress. A complete fraud. No repercussions, G H W Bush used the lie for his speeches, and he never retracted it.
Celebrating Palestinians? Maybe; and that's final.
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