Illegal alien labor IS a government giveaway...to those that employ them and the illegals themselves. Or, have you forgotten that taxpayers currently fund programs like public hospitals, schools, jails, welfare, & the like? Programs that illegals make disproportionate use of. Those that employ illegals are doing so at the cost of their taxpaying neighbors and ought to be held in contempt.
Any evidence or figures to back up these assertions? In fact illegals often pay social security etc, just under someone else's name. In addition they pay sales tax on any item they buy here. When they rent apartments etc they are paying the real estate taxes due on the property.
Do illegals really make "disproportianate use" of hospitals, etc more than any other group of similar socio-economic status? I think not.
Proportionate or disproportionate,
the principle involved is the passing off the costs of doing business on to third parties. Doing so is as immoral as smashing someone's fender and driving off. The main difference being that the benefits are concentrated (employers, illegals) and hte costs are distributed (taxpayers). So, employers of illegals & illegals are stealing a little bit from all taxpayers.
But, you wanted evidnce of disproportionate use of public, taxpayer services by illegal aliens. Up unitl fairly recently, hard numbers have been difficult come by. But, since fed.gov (AKA, Federal taxpayers) is helping local hospitals with illegal alien
non-emergency hospital bills, hospitals are putting some effort into determining just who is here illegally. Parkland Hospital, the Dallas area's* public hospital, has found that
70% of its 16,000 annual births are to illegal aliens. Is 70% disproportionate enough for you?
As far as illegals paying taxes,
supporters of amnesty estimate that "...
just 55 percent to 65 percent of illegal workers are believed to pay taxes currently" such as income tax & social security tax. I wonder how many qualify for EITC? As to property taxes, we had a house a few streets over that was essentially a boarding house for illegals. They had even gone so far as to build a barracks complete with bunks beds in the garage. There were over 20 illegals staying there when the city raided the joint (after complaints from the neighbors). When those illegals paid rent for a year, each paid roughly only 1/20 the property tax I must fork out. One visit to the ER would wipe out a couple years' contributions. One anchor baby born by an illegal throws the balance book into the red for the rest of the illegal's life, barring a win in the lottery.
Illegal aliens in our prison system(s) are, yes, disproportionate. Illegal aliens are from 4%-7% of US population, but make up roughly 27% of the Federal prison population, according to
http://www.bop.gov and
www.gao.gov. To see the numbers & math, see the following post at THR:
http://thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=2711382&postcount=23which contains the following downloadable files:
http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=45184&d=1158865947 (tab-delineated text)
http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=45185&d=1158865963showing the numbers and sourcing from BOP & GAO.
The stats for illegals in the school system are closely held, as the government school bureaucracy is a primary benefactor of the illegal alien & anchor baby bum-rush of our education system. But, enterprising folks can find data required by law to be reported and then parse & analyze it. For instance,
Dallas Independent School District is 62.5% hispanic and from between 29%-48% of the hispanic population in the USA are citizens of other countries here illegally. So, from 18-30 cents of every education tax dollar paid by the taxpayers in DISD goes to educate illegals or their anchor babies.
You clearly know nothing about the situation. In fact much of the manual labor in Israel is or was done by Palestinians, much like Mexicans do it here. When Israel shut off the border it was a punitive measure to the Palestinians, as much as a safety measure to prevent suicide bombings. When we have suicide bombings by Mexicans here I will reconsider my position.
Oh, I might have more information on tap than you might think. Your point is misdirected. One thing I wrote was, "Those folks on the Gaza side of the fence sure look like they would appreciate some 'free movement of labor,' too." That was in response to your statement, "The right of free movement of labor and capital is a basic human right." From what I can see, the only movement between Gaza & Israel is that allowed by the Israelis, on Israeli terms. So, are the Israelis denying the Palestinians' their "basic human rights?" According to your formulation, yes; according to mine, no, as I am the one who supports the rigth of a sovereign country to let in only whomever the sovereign country wants on any terms the sovereign country decides to dictate.
S.Korea welcomes any citizen of N.Korea and gives them automatic citizenship upon entry. I think your argument just failed.
Uh, The North Koreans are also Korean ethnically and speak the language of South Korea. You also make the mistake of saying "any citizen." Are not the hordes of Nork infantry also "any citizen of N.Korea?" Strangely, they are denied entry to S Korea. S Korea seems to only let in North Koreans on S Korea's terms. As is the right of any free, sovereign state.
TR, I listed three free, sovereign countries in response to your statement:
That's certainly easier than trying to refute the basic fact that no free sovereign country has ever resorted to mining its borders to keep people from crossing.
You only made a weak riposte to the example of S Korea. What about France & Finland? Were they not free & sovereign? Did they not use minefields and other signs of unwelcome to deter folks from crossing into their sovereign territory?
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I find it curious that the same fellow who writes...
There is no moral distinction. Lack of freedom is lack of freedom. Whether it is Communisits keeping people in E.Berlin or N.Koreans keeping people from going over to China or Americans keeping out Mexicans.
The right of free movement of labor and capital is a basic human right.
...would write the following...
When Israel shut off the border it was a punitive measure to the Palestinians, as much as a safety measure to prevent suicide bombings.
So, I guess
some moral distinctions are made for
some folks.
Also, the same fellow has often made the argument that the only rights we have as Americans are those that are masticated on and spit up by the political process now lets slip a rallying cry for basic human rights outside the purview of the political process. For some, non-American people, that is.
