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wingnutx · « **Reply #25 on:** September 21, 2006, 10:24:17 AM »

Pot smokers tend to think that everyone else is a pot smoker, because that's who they hang out with.

You can replace 'pot smoker' with just about any other group of individuals.

Guest · « **Reply #26 on:** September 21, 2006, 10:32:16 AM »

Heres the thing with failing drug tests. 99% of the time you take a test it comes after someone has already asked you if you do drugs. If you said "why yes, i smoke pot all the time" they probably arent going to bother testing you. So, if you get a possitive test that likely means that you lied to your recruiter or another official about your drug use. More than anything else, lying like that is probably a bigger deal since its speaks more to character than the actual drug use itself. In other words, it might be more important that he lied about his use than that he did it in the first place.

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #27 on:** September 21, 2006, 11:23:47 AM »

I doubt it c. I've been tested for drugs on numerous occasions, and suspicion was never part of it. Pre-employment screening, random testing in the Army. I think your figure might be way too high.

Guest · « **Reply #28 on:** September 21, 2006, 11:45:20 AM »

Quote from: fistful

I doubt it c. I've been tested for drugs on numerous occasions, and suspicion was never part of it. Pre-employment screening, random testing in the Army. I think your figure might be way too high.

Your recruiter didnt ask you if you did drugs before you enlisted? You didnt sign a form indicating that you didnt?

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #29 on:** September 21, 2006, 11:59:10 AM »

Probably. That was nine years ago. I don't remember. I was only saying that I don't think honesty is the sticking point as much as drug use, and I don't think 99% of drug tests are proceeded by questioning. That's not the case with random testing in the Army.

DrAmazon · « **Reply #30 on:** September 21, 2006, 12:05:05 PM »

Quote from: Felonious Fig

I'm torn.

Actions have long-term, sometimes un-erasable consequences;

I know what you mean. It's painful watching my college students learn that (or watching them set themselves up to learn it later).

One of Many · « **Reply #31 on:** September 21, 2006, 12:17:47 PM »

A young man of my acquaintance wanted to enlist in the mlitary a couple of years ago when he finished high school, but was denied due to a drug test being positive. He indicated that it had been several months, maybe more than a year, since he had used drugs - the tests are very sensitive, and the residue from the drugs is detectable for a long time after the last usage.

The military can not trust someone that has used illegal drugs. The lives of many people depend on each and every person performing their assigned task responsibly and to the best of their abilty. Drug usage can cause delayed reaction symptoms to interfere with a persons performance unexpectedly and without warning. Some drugs like LSD are more likely to have this effect than others.

One of Many · « **Reply #32 on:** September 21, 2006, 12:21:48 PM »

I remember a few years ago when the military started random testing for drugs, there were a few cases where junior officers were kicked out of the miltary, because they had eaten hamburgher buns with poppy seeds. The poppy seeds caused them to fail the drug tests, which could not differentiate between the food product and illegal drugs such as heroin.

mtnbkr · « **Reply #33 on:** September 21, 2006, 01:44:59 PM »

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The military can not trust someone that has used illegal drugs.

Assuming "has" means "in the past", then DOD does trust individuals who have used drugs in the past (and disclosed as much during the background investigation).

Chris

Guest · « **Reply #34 on:** September 21, 2006, 02:44:06 PM »

In fact, it's entirely possible to get a top secret level clearance after disclosing the use of marijuana.

wingnutx · « **Reply #35 on:** September 21, 2006, 04:40:59 PM »

I have a 'secret' clearance, and I fessed up to smoking the reefer when I enlisted.

Antibubba · « **Reply #36 on:** September 22, 2006, 03:13:04 AM »

Hey Fig, what about the Coast Guard? Has he looked into them?

Truth is, though, it might be the Army or nothing.

Felonious Monk/Fignozzle · « **Reply #37 on:** September 22, 2006, 06:25:50 AM »

Coasties won't take him. If he can't get a waiver from the avenues he's currently pursuing, I suspect Army's the way for him to go.

You can't live like a fool for nearly 30 years and then expect life to just fall into place for you.

Dang fool. ;-)

wingnutx · « **Reply #38 on:** September 22, 2006, 07:16:43 AM »

Try the guard.

doczinn · « **Reply #39 on:** September 22, 2006, 07:40:59 AM »

If the failed test doesn't DQ him, tell him to go for nuke tech if he can't be an officer.

- This is assuming that it's correct that the failed test does DQ him from OCS - which sounds logical.

- Nuke techs are all but guaranteed to make Chief in well under ten years - unheard of in any other rating - and the highest re-enlistment bonuses - and great salaries in civilian positions if he doesn't re-enlist.

wingnutx · « **Reply #40 on:** September 22, 2006, 09:04:37 AM »

Naval Nuclear Power is the absolute worst field in the military.

I'd rather test quick-clot than go back to that environment.

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #41 on:** September 22, 2006, 09:10:15 AM »

Test quick-clot?

charby · « **Reply #42 on:** September 22, 2006, 09:33:50 AM »

Quote from: fistful

Test quick-clot?

Powdered substance that clots blood. Used for extreme bleeding trama.

In the movie Platton the medic was dumping powder on bleeders, that to represent quick clot.

wingnutx · « **Reply #43 on:** September 22, 2006, 09:58:28 AM »

In 'platoon' it would have been sulfa drugs, to kill germs. Quick-clot is relatively new.

charby · « **Reply #44 on:** September 22, 2006, 10:05:31 AM »

Quote from: wingnutx

In 'platoon' it would have been sulfa drugs, to kill germs. Quick-clot is relatively new.

yeah duh! but didn't they have sort of clotting agent back then?

-C

280plus · « **Reply #45 on:** September 22, 2006, 10:47:18 AM »

You darn well better know your math if you go Nuke. I scored in the top 3% on the ASVAB and took nuke. Problem was I was VERY weak in math. I cheated on my Algebra II final to graduate. (Don't tell) In the first 6 weeks of nuke school we went from 2+2=4 all the way through trig and calculus. And we were using SLIDE RULES!! I was one lost puppy. At the end of the 6 weeks they offered to let me out of school and knock a year off my 6 years of active. I jumped on it. Wish I could have another crack at it now though. The mistake they made was sending me to the fleet for 6 months before school. By the end of the 6 weeks all I wanted to do was go back to the fleet.

Of course there is a rumor that the only thing in the Navy smarter than a nuke is ex nukes. Cause they were smart enough to get out of the program. Tongue

wingnutx · « **Reply #46 on:** September 22, 2006, 10:50:11 AM »

I worked in nuclear power for 2 years on the USS Proteus.

Worst field in the Navy.

280plus · « **Reply #47 on:** September 22, 2006, 10:53:39 AM »

No s***? Wow, I guess I'll be glad I missed it.

This is going off topic but have you ever heard of "Mucko" McDermott? He was a nuke. SUPER intelligent. He went on a workplace shooting spree in Boston (IIRC) many years ago. I recall seeing his testimony somewhere and was surprised to hear he was a nuke.

mtnbkr · « **Reply #48 on:** September 22, 2006, 10:54:16 AM »

What's so bad about it?

Chris

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #49 on:** September 22, 2006, 10:56:57 AM »

Quote from: 280plus

Of course there is a rumor that the only thing in the Navy smarter than a nuke is ex nukes.

And if they were smart enough, they could go into the Army infantry. None have made it so far.

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