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« on: September 20, 2006, 09:27:11 AM »
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SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California filed suit against Ford Motor Co., General Motors Corp., Toyota Motor Corp. and three other carmakers on Wednesday, charging that greenhouse gases from their vehicles have cost the state millions of dollars.

State Attorney General Bill Lockyer said the lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Northern California was the first of its kind to seek to hold manufacturers liable for the damages caused by their vehicles' emissions.

The lawsuit also names Chrysler Motors Corp., the U.S. arm of Germany's DaimlerChrysler, and the North American units of Honda Motor Co. and Nissan Motor Co. Ltd.
The proper response is for the auto makers to stop ALL operations in California until the suit is settled.

They must be putting something in the water out there . . .

(Anyone still doubt that the BS about global warming is a power and money grab?)
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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2006, 09:36:22 AM »
oh great..  so because of this are vehicles going to increase in price by how much?
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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2006, 09:43:40 AM »
I wouldn't stop all operations, but I'd certainly withhold warranty service for any state vehicles Smiley

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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2006, 09:48:49 AM »
Oh good grief... rolleyes

Maybe the rest of us should counter-sue California. Water vapor accounts for about 95% of the greenhouse effect and I can't find anything where Cali has tried to control evaporation from their part of the Pacific.  I think they should shoulder their fair share of the burden.

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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2006, 10:07:31 AM »
Actually, the State of Kali should sue every resident of the State who commits the crime of owning or driving an automobile.  An auto at rest is the same as a firearm at rest:  harmless.   Just another confirmation that the gene pool of left wing socialist wackos is very, very shallow.
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2006, 10:23:17 AM »
Don't these manufacturers all produce vehicles which meet or exceed FEDERAL emissions standards? Shouldn't California also name the U.S. Government as a defendant, so Alberto Gonzales et al. can be further distracted from the piddly stuff they're not attending to already? Crimony!
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2006, 01:32:24 PM »
IIRC, carbon dioxide also plays a role in so-called "Greenhouse Gasses."

Maybe California should sue plants.

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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2006, 01:38:45 PM »
If I am not mistaken, plants convert C02 to oxygen....


However, all living animals expel C02 with every breath....

So, they may not want to tax us on the air we breath, but they might eventually try to tax us on our personal CO2 and methane emmisions.

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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2006, 02:12:44 PM »
Duh!

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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2006, 02:21:39 PM »
I blame Superman myself.

Remember when Lex Luthor detonated the atomic bomb in the San Andreas fault and just before California slid off into the ocean, Superman dove down in there propped things up and stopped it from happening? Yup, he really screwed up.

I think I'll send him a nasty email. SOB...

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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2006, 02:37:05 PM »
Allow me to be the first CA resident to apologize for this. It's incredibly freaking embarrassing. Sad
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2006, 03:37:30 PM »
So I take it that Cali has immediately put a full stop on all use of government vehicles, right? Right?? rolleyes
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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2006, 04:51:40 PM »
I don't see *exactly* how it's the fault of vehicles, per se.  Perhaps a better way to tweak the collective nose of California government is for the refiners of petroleum fuels to stop selling their products in the state.

How long do you think it'll take the State to convert to solar (or hydrogen, from electrolyzed water) powered cars on their own volition?
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Of course, fusion reaction of seawater would be exceptionally clean and non-polluting, if only they could get that whole magnetic plasma chamber containment thing down.  

And what about all those California cheese commercials? Bovines produce as much methane as those protected wetlands do, if not more.

Putting up a wall and proclaiming it 'crazy monkey land' is starting to sound better and better. Unfortunately, it'd play into the hands of the Aztlan group, who would create another third-world hellhole on our western border with environmental problems worse than the provinces surrounding old Soviet weapons plants.
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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2006, 05:03:37 PM »
California should also name itself as a defendant in the suit, since IIRC for years the state as permitted vehicle owners to register their vehicles after passing emissions testing mandated by the state.
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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2006, 05:52:28 PM »
To pick up on what Sindawe said, didn't California mandate emission standards that were lower than the Federal government?  If they had the power to do that, why didn't they set the limits lower?  Sounds like a case of gross negligence to me...
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« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2006, 06:20:59 PM »
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To pick up on what Sindawe said, didn't California mandate emission standards that were lower than the Federal government?
Why, I think you may be correct.  The California verson of my '91 Civic has a bunch more junk on it mandated by California than my non-CA verson has.

So why did California not just require that cars sold in the state be ZERO emission?  Just required that all cars sold after X date be electric or hydrogen burning vehicles.
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« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2006, 06:44:36 PM »
Just what "damage" has the state of California sustained from greenhouse gases emitted from their vehicles?  There's not even clear evidence that there's been any "global warming" at all, let alone enough that it's caused "damages" that could be recovered in a lawsuit.  Or are they claiming that all weather- and climate-related issues are the result of global warming caused by automobiles sold in the state of California?

If there was any sanity in this state, Mr. Lockyer would be either voted out of office or impeached for such blatant insanity, and blatant misuse and abuse of the legal system.

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« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2006, 06:49:30 PM »
I think we need a vehicle buy back program. Let them use public transportation. Tongue

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« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2006, 07:43:21 PM »
I think we should send in troops, seize all vehicles in California, and auction them to citizens in the rest of the country.

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Just what "damage" has the state of California sustained from greenhouse gases emitted from there vehicles?  There's not even clear evidence that there's been any "global warming" at all, let alone enough that it's caused "damages" that could be recovered in a lawsuit.
Well, something is causing significant brain damage in Californians...
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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2006, 05:32:37 AM »
Actually thinking about it, I wonder if this means we can now sue Mexico over CO2 output by illegal aliens? Tongue
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« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2006, 05:40:07 AM »
We need a photo of the California AG getting into an SUV or limo.Cheesy
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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2006, 07:43:16 AM »
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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2006, 07:45:35 AM »
These companies should move as many of their operations out of CA as possible. AZ would be happy to take them and their $$.

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« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2006, 08:00:54 AM »
Actually GM and Ford are closing plants in their restructuring, maybe they should put the CA plants on the top of the list for chopping. Then explain the layoffs to the workers that it is the doing of the their state government.

I don't know if either have plants in CA.

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« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2006, 09:27:43 AM »
I think if I were a non-vehicle-owning Californian, I would be suing the state for the damage state-owned emission-spewing vehicles have done to my health.  Sort of a case of "what goes around, comes around".
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