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« on: September 20, 2006, 04:34:30 PM »
Muslims demand pope convert to Islam
'Religion of peace' threatens destruction otherwise
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Christian churches in the Middle East are vandalized, a Catholic nun in Africa is killed and Muslims have demanded that the pope convert to Islam  all because he read a quote from a medieval text that described Islam as "evil and inhuman."

The pope has issued an apology for even referencing the historic text, emphasized that those views are not his, but still many in the Islamic world are demanding blood.

A new group called "The sword of Islam" contacted reporters and said it had fired gunshots at a Christian church in the Middle East during a demonstration over the comments.

"We want to make it clear that if the pope does not appear on TV and apologize for his comments, we will blow up all of Gaza's churches," the group said in a report.

The controversy arose a few days ago while Pope Benedict XVI was speaking in Germany, and he referred to the conclusions of Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus, in which he made the reference to Islam being violent.

The pope, according to a Vatican statement, was simply reflecting on the "theme of the relationship between religion and violence in general, and to conclude with a clear and radical rejection of the religious motivation for violence, from whatever side it may come."

But Muslims reacted to what they apparently perceived as an attack on their religion, and started vandalizing Middle East Christian churches, with seven so far sustaining varying levels of destruction.

In Africa, a nun was shot and killed, with indications the attack may have been a reaction to the statements.

And now, a report in the Jerusalem Post said that Muslim religious leaders in the Gaza Strip are warning the pope that he must "accept" Islam if he wanted to live in peace.

One Muslim cleric, Imad Hamto, said the pope must "repent and ask for forgiveness" and Hamto referred to a phrase taken from letters sent by the founder of Islam to the chiefs of tribes in his times  when he reportedly urged them to convert to Islam in order to keep their lives.

While President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran, who himself has publicly called for the destruction of Israel and has denied the Holocaust without significant reaction, suggested that the pope has satisfactorily "modified" his remarks, others said they did not agree.

"Either apologize or don't come," read banners at a protest in Turkey, where the pope is scheduled to visit in November. And in Libya, a son of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi said the pope needs to change.

"If this person were really someone reasonable, he would not agree to remain at his post one minute but would convert to Islam immediately," the son, Mohammad Qaddafi, said.

The New York Times reported that the pope had issued condolences to the family of Sister Leonella Sgorbati, who was shot and killed in Somalia with her bodyguard.

"In repeating a firm condemnation of all forms of violence, his holiness the pope hopes that the blood shed by a such a faithful follower of the Gospel will become a seed of hope to build an authentic brotherhood between peoples," said a Vatican statement.

The Muslim American Society's Freedom Foundation said it plans a joint statement later with Catholic organizations over the pope's statements.

In the blog world, the "catholiclondoner" posted a number of photographs indicating that Muslims in the United Kingdom perhaps are not ready to move past the comments.

"Thought I'd refrain from posting anything substantial about his uproar &" he wrote. "Unfortunately after Mass today at Westminster Cathedral it was shoved in my face."

He said about 100 Islamists were chanting slogans in front of the church, including "Pope Benedict go to Hell," and "Pope Benedict you will pay, the Muja Hadeen are coming your way."

"It was a pretty nasty demonstration," he said.

"You have also given a witness to the hypocrisy of those Muslims who complain about being insulted on the one hand while giving grievous offence on the other. Well done," said one comment from "dunadan" on the Londoner's blog

"As a British citizen, I really hope that our government will now do something about the threat from Islam and Islamism  not just in words, but in deeds," said another.

"God Bless you brother in the Lord and friend for being a true witness to your faith. I am not surprised that there is protest. The pope simply cited the historic record. The Muslims have to face up to their history, they cannot forever live in deniel (sic)," said bigcatlady.

"You have helped expose the hatred and hypocrisy rotting beneath the polished 'Religion of Peace' façade," said emlin. "They feel free to curse and insult the Pope  but if you speak the truth about their beloved war-mongering Mohammed, well then a little jihad should help you feel the real peace of islam."

Pakistan's Parliament also approved a resolution criticizing the pope for his "derogatory" remarks. And Turkey's Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said the comments were "ugly."

The words that the pope quoted were: "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

A report at LifeSiteNews.com said it traced the development of the furor and found a series of media reports contributing to the situation.

The report said the day after the speech, there was almost no reaction. A day later, however, there was a headline, "Pope's speech stirs Muslim anger."

As that headline spread through the Muslim world, the report said, the furor became real.

"On Sunday, Toronto-based columnist, David Warren, wrote in the Ottawa Citizen on the media-instigated uproar that has led to retaliatory attacks in Israel against Christian churches and clergy and the murder of a nun in Somalia," the report said.

"By manipulating the event, Warren says, the BBC was 'having a little mischief. The kind of mischief that is likely to end with Catholic priests and faithful butchered around the Muslim world.'"

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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2006, 04:50:39 PM »
Islam can be divided in two big chapters:
1) Crush all opposition, convert or kill the infidel, establish domination over all
2) Once you accomplish #1, be nice.

Leftist apologeticists, multiculturalists, certain islamist politicians, and other forms of confused human cattle always ignore #1 and focus on #2 to prove to themselves and others that a religion whose name means "Submit!" is a religion of peace and tranquility.

We should all know better. Especially if we bother to read history instead of counting on its leftist "digest".

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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2006, 05:00:48 PM »
For a faith that likes to portray itself as the "Religion of Peace", Islam sure is failing in the application of that practice.
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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2006, 05:05:21 PM »
Y'know, sometimes you cna't help but wonder if they're thinking about genocide.

One of these days push is going to come to shove. Third world fanatics with strap-on and truck bombs against the modern military industrial complex of the first world. Who is to say what will happen when homicide bombers start lighting up in Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, France, Italy and Germany?  Granted, the Socialist factions will say it's the fault of the caucasian, Christian repressives in power.  

When it starts getting personal to them, maybe they'll wake up and smell the couscous.

If one expects reason to prevail against fanatics who intend to rule by the sword, then history lessons need to be reviewed. Islamofacists are proclaiming the West is perpetuating a  new Crusade against them.  Myself, I don't think the West is, but if they insist...

I consider myself tolerant to a fault, but if someone comes around jacking with me and mine, then they're in for a scrap.

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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2006, 05:25:00 PM »
The religion of peace, hard at work.

The sad thing is that they behave this way because we let them.  They get away with being savagely uncivilized because our own leftists protect them.  If we're ever going to put a stop to this madness we'll have to defeat our own leftists first.  Only yhen will it be possible to deal sensibly with this thuggery posing as a religion.

I'm beginning to wonder if the real enemy in the war on terror isn't the Islamic extremists after all.

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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2006, 05:31:01 PM »
I'd be a bit happier if the word "some" were seen more often.  Some Muslims...

Some hunters shoot road signs.  Some gunowners commit crimes.  Etc., etc.

But I'm pretty well fed-up with ALL the mouthpieces of the Jihadist (bleep) who come up with this sort of idiocy.  They're almost as bad as those who repeat it as though it has rational meaning...

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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2006, 05:37:21 PM »
So would I Art, but I'd also like to see some demonstration in the Islamic world denouncing the acts of the Jihadist loons.  Sadly, those are rather lacking, instead we have demonstrations denouncing the evil West and calling for the murder of those who "Insult Islam".

The biggest insult to Islam is its followers continued support of the Jihadists loons, 'specially those moderate Muslims who remain silent.
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2006, 05:43:44 PM »
Seems some Muslims have a bit of difficulty with the concept of 'irony'.
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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2006, 05:44:22 PM »
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If we're ever going to put a stop to this madness we'll have to defeat our own leftists first.
I think it is more likely that they be defeated indirectly through world events.

The Chamberlain appeaseniks in GB were not defeated by the Churchillites directly. The former simply lost relevance when Hitler first made fools of them in Munich and then let everybody know that by occupying the rest of Czechoslovakia.

In the same way, I expect the defeatist/appeasenik/multiculturalist nonsense will continue until we have another major attack at home. Frankly, OBL has greater use of our leftists right where they are and that is why he'd be a fool to stage another 9/11.

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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2006, 06:44:22 PM »
Hrmm. 90 or so years ago some dude shot an archduke and the world blew up. Now we've got the son of a third-world ruler trying to make "Is the Pope catholic?" into a legitimate question. Will the world blow up?

Damnation be on me but you know what? I hope so. It's time.

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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2006, 06:51:33 PM »
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Seems some Muslims have a bit of difficulty with the concept of 'irony'.
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2006, 07:57:42 PM »
Wow... religious fanatics make outrageous statement! Film at 11...

 in other news, scientists have announced that water is, indeed, wet. And now the weather...


 Yes... these twits are, well, twits. And I absolutely LOVE this lil' gem: ""If this person were really someone reasonable, he would not agree to remain at his post one minute but would convert to Islam immediately," the son, Mohammad Qaddafi, said."...

 Wait a sec... "if he was reasonable, he would convert". Seems I've had that aimed at me a few times. And y'all pardon me for a sec, but I'd be MUCH more likely to take spiritual advice from the guy in the funny hat than the terrorist's son...

 Oh... Art? I agree... i have some VERY good Muslim friends. they just aren't Arabs...

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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2006, 10:09:31 PM »
There are muslims who don't believe in this drivel, and yes, i wish they were more vocal.

But I will say that it is encouraging, being in Iraq and seeing the Iraqi interpreters and other people who work with us continue to come to work and bust their asses, despite death threats and other dangers. And they will waste no time proving to you that reasonable muslims aren't murdering fanatics.

Speaks to their character. i just wish there were more who were so strong.

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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2006, 11:17:04 PM »
The Muslims who don't believe in this sort of thing are like the Christians of today who support gay marriage.  Nice people, but their thought has more to do with modern values than with their professed faith.

I posted this on THR a while back:

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QUICK! Go to Google and search for "fatwa"!

When splitting hairs between Muslim "extremists," "moderates," and "liberals" keep in mind the nature of the fatwa.

Just about any Muslim with a following can issue a fatwa. It's supposed to be an official declaration of doctrine, but the Ummah is far too fractured for this to be the case. Essentially, the fatwa has become a way for Muslim leaders to tell other Muslims that something they're saying is based in scripture instead of personal opinion.

The various bombings, kidnappings, beheadings, and other acts of terror have all raised widespread condemnation from Muslim "moderates" and "liberals."

But where were the fatwas from "liberal" Imams when Daniel Perl had his head removed?

But where were the fatwas from "liberal" Imams when the planes hit the towers?

But where were the fatwas from "liberal" Imams when London was bombed?

But where were the fatwas from "liberal" Imams when three Christian school girls were decapitated in Indonesia?

The "liberal" and "moderate" Imams may personally dislike terror tactics, but they give their religious assent by refusing to oppose them on scriptural grounds. And they know it.
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« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2006, 03:50:16 AM »
I KNEW they picked the wrong guy for Pope...

First off he looks like he's on death's doorstep. And secondly, he don't seem so bright...

BTW, did you guys know that the forming of "The Holy Roman Empire" had absolutely nothing to do with Rome? I have just seen it characterized as being more the like "Holy GERMAN Empire".

I'd have to go back and look to recall how the seat ended up in Rome .
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« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2006, 04:22:21 AM »
You're kidding, I hope.
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« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2006, 04:27:51 AM »
About what? I didn't like their choice of Pope. I'm not kidding.
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« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2006, 04:43:24 AM »
I was talking more about the Holy Roman Empire.  It was founded when the Pope crowned Charlemagne, and was supposed to be the continuation of the defunct Roman empire.  Whether Charlemagne was German or French is a matter of interpretation (and of national pride).  He was a Frank, but according to my Western Civ. teacher, they were actually a Germanic people.  So Rome was never really the seat of it, but its authority rested, in part, on the Pope.

I would have preferred that really conservative guy from Africa, but I'm not a Catholic, so I guess I can't complain.
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« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2006, 05:17:39 AM »
Cheesy

From "Flying Dutchmen" Frank Clune 1953:

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When the Roman Empire declined it was succeeded, in Northern and Western Europe, by the Empire of the Franks, which ultimately split into two empires- One of them West Franks (France) and the other of the East Franks (Germany).
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From this time onwards, for a thousand years, the inhabitants of the Rhine delta lands were united, as they had been also before the Roman conquest, with their racial kindred of the interior, the germans. The Roman Empire was succeeded in history by the German Empire, a loose confederation of kings, princes, dukes, counts and other tribal and local chiefs, which became consolidated, at the end of the 8th century, under the leadership of Karl the Great (Charlemagne), a native of the Netherlands.

   This confederation was given the misleading title of the "Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation".

The Holy Roman Empire was thus German, not Roman, except in religious belief. It was the Germans, and certainly not the Romans, who established Roman Catholic Christianity throughout Europe; and it was the Germans, too, who later launched the Protestant Reformation that overthrew the ecclesiastical sway of Rome in Norther and Western Europe.

   Great destroyers the Germans! First they destroyed the ancient Roman Empire, then they destroyed the Holy Roman Empire, which they themselves had built.

   A more accurate title for the empire which Karl the Great had consolidated would have been the "Holy German Empire" which in fact was the name the Nazis used for it. The word "Roman" was substituted bt ecclesiastical influences; but, in later centuries, the succesors of Karl the GReat were usually known as "Emperors of Germany".
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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2006, 05:20:18 AM »
The Pope's original remarks were carefuly calculated as are his remarks at this juncture.  He is separating the wheat from the chaff.
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« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2006, 05:23:29 AM »
280plus:

Concentrate your efforts on Charlemagne (AKA, Charles the Great, Carolus Magnus).  He was the first Holy Roman Emperor.

Of course, it helped that he had the Frankish hordes to back up his claim and the Pope on his side, politically.

Round 'bout the 800AD.

The HRE was thought to be (or propagandized as) the restoration of the Roman Empire in the West (the Eastern Roman Empire still going on strong in the guise of Byzantium).  The Carolingian empire stretched from the Pyrrennes & The English Channel in the west to the Elbe River (or was it the Oder?) in the northeast and present-day Hungary in the southeast. It was an empire & did have the approval of the Pope.

Over time, the HRE was whittled away until it was pretty much a German club & was finally put in the ground by Napolean Bonaparte.

Charlemagne spoke a germanic tounge & the Frankish heartland was the Netherlands/Belgium area.  It is no coincidence that the EU HQ is in Belgium.

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Not being a R Catholic, I didn't really have a dog in the Papal succession fight.  I think they chose a pretty good one, though.  Like fistful, I was rooting for the african fellow.  African conservative christians (R Catholic, Anglican, etc) are some of the hottest-burning christian leaders in the church today.  I guess thier faith has been tempered to a hard edge by their persecution by muslims & pagans in Africa.
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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2006, 05:31:14 AM »
Thanks jfruser, go back to my post #21 where I pulled the quotes from the book I was refering to.

Personally, (and I got nothing against the elderly) I was hoping to see a younger more vibrant guy in there after watching JP drool all over himself for the last 10 years. I was hoping for a change and all we got was more of the same. Anyone want to start a pool as to how soon we'll have to elect another new Pope? Of course, now that the Muslims are all ticked off at him, maybe that time frame will end up getting pushed forward. rolleyes
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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2006, 07:20:25 AM »
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The Pope's original remarks were carefuly calculated as are his remarks at this juncture.  He is separating the wheat from the chaff.
Agreed.  I think his remarks were deliberatley spoken to produce this exact response.  The immediate goal being to illustrate these uncivilized thugs as what they are.  Long term goal?  I'm not sure.

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« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2006, 09:50:36 AM »
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Personally, (and I got nothing against the elderly) I was hoping to see a younger more vibrant guy in there after watching JP drool all over himself for the last 10 years.
We're getting slightly off track here but I don't think the Catholic power structure is very comfortable with a long-lived dynamic leader.  It tends to inhibit the power behind the throne and allows the Pope too much time to accumulate power and influence the inner workings of the Church..
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