Post by: wacki on June 09, 2008, 01:42:38 AM
The presidential race Obama 287 McCain 227 Ties 24
Senate: Dem 58 GOP 42
House: Dem 238 GOP 197
EDIT (above stats from http://www.electoral-vote.com/)
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=297645696465868
Obama's Plan To Disarm The U.S.
Defense Policy: In the middle of a war on two fronts, Barack Obama plans to gut the military. He also wants to dismantle our nuclear arsenal. And he wants to keep you in the dark about it.
Post by: MicroBalrog on June 09, 2008, 01:48:04 AM
Post by: Nick1911 on June 09, 2008, 01:58:32 AM
Post by: MicroBalrog on June 09, 2008, 02:05:52 AM
As a prediction; ammo, gear, guns and mags are as cheap and available as they will ever be in the near future. The time to stock up is now.
You know what to do.
Cheaper Than Dirt
Gunbroker
Fulton Armory
Post by: Manedwolf on June 09, 2008, 03:47:55 AM
As a prediction; ammo, gear, guns and mags are as cheap and available as they will ever be in the near future. The time to stock up is now.
You know what to do.
Cheaper Than Dirt
Gunbroker
Fulton Armory
I never use CTD. Their shipping is INSANE. Try going through the checkout and get to shipping. Guaranteed you'll go "hell no!" and quit. They wanted $19 shipping for a 1lb $17 item, shipped UPS ground!
I am also highly dubious of that map. NH citizens are REALLY pissed at Democrats, because their wild entitlement spending caused a severe budget shortfall, and now they're making noise about raising taxes, and the milquetoast Democrat governor just signed it all. They're expected to lose big at the state level this fall.
Post by: El Tejon on June 09, 2008, 04:29:25 AM
2. If you are worried, you need to join the NRA and help me fight.
Post by: xavier fremboe on June 09, 2008, 04:47:14 AM
As a prediction; ammo, gear, guns and mags are as cheap and available as they will ever be in the near future. The time to stock up is now.
You know what to do.
Cheaper Than Dirt
Gunbroker
Fulton Armory
I never use CTD. Their shipping is INSANE. Try going through the checkout and get to shipping. Guaranteed you'll go "hell no!" and quit. They wanted $19 shipping for a 1lb $17 item, shipped UPS ground!
I am also highly dubious of that map. NH citizens are REALLY pissed at Democrats, because their wild entitlement spending caused a severe budget shortfall, and now they're making noise about raising taxes, and the milquetoast Democrat governor just signed it all. They're expected to lose big at the state level this fall.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on June 09, 2008, 05:00:03 AM
Post by: longeyes on June 09, 2008, 05:08:46 AM
I can't see the coming collision between Right and Left ending well. We would be naive to think we are all going to be swallowed whole without severe indigestion.
Post by: HankB on June 09, 2008, 05:19:17 AM
Well, I'm just mystified. What could Republicans possibly have done to piss off so many of us?
Governed as Democrats?
Post by: Standing Wolf on June 09, 2008, 05:20:41 AM
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We're only screwed if good men do nothing. We have the Constitution behind us.
Good men have been doing nothing quite some while. I'm sorry, but the Constitution is nothing but an old, old restraining order against government.
Post by: charby on June 09, 2008, 06:03:58 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on June 09, 2008, 06:10:57 AM
I think Iowa is going to be a red state for 2008. In 2006 Democrats has control of the governorship, house and senate here and have pretty much peed in every-one's breakfast the last two years. I think people are starting to realize that liberalism/progressive isn't going to fly here like they thought it would.
That sounds very much like New Hampshire.
Crazy spending despite warnings. Smoking ban, other attempts at nanny state laws that thankfully didn't pass. And now "oops, we have no money! We must find ways to get more money. Taxes!"
Post by: charby on June 09, 2008, 06:16:44 AM
I think Iowa is going to be a red state for 2008. In 2006 Democrats has control of the governorship, house and senate here and have pretty much peed in every-one's breakfast the last two years. I think people are starting to realize that liberalism/progressive isn't going to fly here like they thought it would.
That sounds very much like New Hampshire.
Crazy spending despite warnings. Smoking ban, other attempts at nanny state laws that thankfully didn't pass. And now "oops, we have no money! We must find ways to get more money. Taxes!"
Unfortunately all the nanny state crap they came up with passed and the governor signed it off. The new smoking ban takes place on July 1st.
Post by: Manedwolf on June 09, 2008, 06:20:24 AM
I think Iowa is going to be a red state for 2008. In 2006 Democrats has control of the governorship, house and senate here and have pretty much peed in every-one's breakfast the last two years. I think people are starting to realize that liberalism/progressive isn't going to fly here like they thought it would.
That sounds very much like New Hampshire.
Crazy spending despite warnings. Smoking ban, other attempts at nanny state laws that thankfully didn't pass. And now "oops, we have no money! We must find ways to get more money. Taxes!"
Unfortunately all the nanny state crap they came up with passed and the governor signed it off. The new smoking ban takes place on July 1st.
The smoking ban passed. The seatbelt law didn't. Neither did the attempt to revise CCW requirements. Oh, yes, and one of the dems also tried the "impeach Bush" thing again just recently. The governor is a doe-eyed wimp.
People, except for the blank-eyed Boston commuters who moved here for "quality of life" while continuing to vote the same way that destroyed MA are...displeased.
Post by: oldfart on June 09, 2008, 07:10:31 AM
Everything else is on the table though. Whatever you think you might need to buy - buy it now and try to keep it "off paper" if you can! AK parts kits are no longer being imported so the prices are going up. Buy now and put it away until a) you need to build it or, b) someone else needs it badly enough they'll pay a higher price for it.
BLOAT!
Post by: Manedwolf on June 09, 2008, 07:38:35 AM
I doubt Obama can do much to the Supreme Court. The only possible retirees are the liberal ones and all he could do is put in liberal replacements.
Everything else is on the table though. Whatever you think you might need to buy - buy it now and try to keep it "off paper" if you can! AK parts kits are no longer being imported so the prices are going up. Buy now and put it away until a) you need to build it or, b) someone else needs it badly enough they'll pay a higher price for it.
BLOAT!
Everything else is on the table though. Whatever you think you might need to buy - buy it now and try to keep it "off paper" if you can! AK parts kits are no longer being imported so the prices are going up. Buy now and put it away until a) you need to build it or, b) someone else needs it badly enough they'll pay a higher price for it.
BLOAT!
The barrels are no longer being imported. Barrels must be destroyed. I don't know about kits. I'd like to find the #$%! at BATFE that decided that excellent, new Steyr barrels were a threat of some sort and had to be cut to pieces, and throw the pieces at them.
For the time being, though, if you want AKs, you can still buy a Saiga. They're cheap, they're good, they're real Russian AK's, get'em.
Post by: Werewolf on June 09, 2008, 07:44:12 AM
There's a major clash of cultural values currently going on in the US between Red and Blue states just like there was a major clash of cultural/economic values in the 1850's between the North and South states.
Eventually when cultures clash one ends up dominant and the other is destroyed or assimilated.
I wonder how the current clash will be resolved?
Post by: longeyes on June 09, 2008, 08:41:03 AM
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Good men have been doing nothing quite some while. I'm sorry, but the Constitution is nothing but an old, old restraining order against government.
That's not news.
You follow your lights; I'll follow mine.
Post by: seeker_two on June 09, 2008, 10:08:36 AM
Is anyone starting to note the parallels in history that occured North/South in the 1850's and the Blue/Red states of current times?
There's a major clash of cultural values currently going on in the US between Red and Blue states just like there was a major clash of cultural/economic values in the 1850's between the North and South states.
Eventually when cultures clash one ends up dominant and the other is destroyed or assimilated.
I wonder how the current clash will be resolved?
There's a major clash of cultural values currently going on in the US between Red and Blue states just like there was a major clash of cultural/economic values in the 1850's between the North and South states.
Eventually when cultures clash one ends up dominant and the other is destroyed or assimilated.
I wonder how the current clash will be resolved?
Think "Northern Ireland".....but not as civilized.....
Post by: The Annoyed Man on June 09, 2008, 11:23:22 AM
I doubt Obama can do much to the Supreme Court. The only possible retirees are the liberal ones and all he could do is put in liberal replacements.
Everything else is on the table though. Whatever you think you might need to buy - buy it now and try to keep it "off paper" if you can! AK parts kits are no longer being imported so the prices are going up. Buy now and put it away until a) you need to build it or, b) someone else needs it badly enough they'll pay a higher price for it.
BLOAT!
Everything else is on the table though. Whatever you think you might need to buy - buy it now and try to keep it "off paper" if you can! AK parts kits are no longer being imported so the prices are going up. Buy now and put it away until a) you need to build it or, b) someone else needs it badly enough they'll pay a higher price for it.
BLOAT!
The barrels are no longer being imported. Barrels must be destroyed. I don't know about kits. I'd like to find the #$%! at BATFE that decided that excellent, new Steyr barrels were a threat of some sort and had to be cut to pieces, and throw the pieces at them.
For the time being, though, if you want AKs, you can still buy a Saiga. They're cheap, they're good, they're real Russian AK's, get'em.
Post by: Manedwolf on June 09, 2008, 11:27:27 AM
Supposedly that was enacted in 2005, but it's really showing up now as the stocks of previously imported stuff is depleted.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on June 09, 2008, 11:54:56 AM
Can't import barrels with foreign parts kits. The barrels need to be destroyed. As far as I can tell, that applies to anything including FAL variants and SMGs. No barrels. Probably semiautomatics and such, since bolt-actions are still coming in in piles for cheap.
Supposedly that was enacted in 2005, but it's really showing up now as the stocks of previously imported stuff is depleted.
Wouldn't it be an option to import the barrels by themselves? Or am I just trying to find a loophole?Supposedly that was enacted in 2005, but it's really showing up now as the stocks of previously imported stuff is depleted.
Quick glance at their webpage states "All barrels are made in the USA".
Post by: Manedwolf on June 09, 2008, 11:58:13 AM
But then, I'm still not sure what "problem" that 922(r) was meant to address, either.
Post by: MicroBalrog on June 09, 2008, 12:01:53 PM
But then, I'm still not sure what "problem" that 922(r) was meant to address, either.
Protectionism.
Post by: Manedwolf on June 09, 2008, 12:04:28 PM
But then, I'm still not sure what "problem" that 922(r) was meant to address, either.
Protectionism.
Not really. BATFE hates US firearms makers, too, and will raid them whenever possible. Look at Cavalry Arms. How can it be protection to hate imported guns and demand that if they're modified, that they must now have US parts made by companies they hate as well?
Post by: wacki on June 09, 2008, 01:09:53 PM
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
Post by: MicroBalrog on June 09, 2008, 01:12:18 PM
But then, I'm still not sure what "problem" that 922(r) was meant to address, either.
Protectionism.
Not really. BATFE hates US firearms makers, too, and will raid them whenever possible. Look at Cavalry Arms. How can it be protection to hate imported guns and demand that if they're modified, that they must now have US parts made by companies they hate as well?
BATFE may hate US gunmakers, but the legislator not necessarily do so. Remember the NRA helped craft GCA-1968.
The purpose of the provision is to shift business and production to US-based gun manufacturers and US-based factories.
Post by: Gewehr98 on June 09, 2008, 02:08:28 PM
Post by: Nitrogen on June 10, 2008, 03:49:45 AM
1. No, we are not. We are buying like mad for the coming storm.
2. If you are worried, you need to join the NRA and help me fight.
2. If you are worried, you need to join the NRA and help me fight.
The NRA is part of the problem.
Post by: Manedwolf on June 10, 2008, 03:54:30 AM
1. No, we are not. We are buying like mad for the coming storm.
2. If you are worried, you need to join the NRA and help me fight.
2. If you are worried, you need to join the NRA and help me fight.
The NRA is part of the problem.
As opposed to what? They're the only effective organization with legal clout and the ability to appear in suits with lawyers.
What else is there? Larry Pratt's paranoid and ineffectual ranting with the wrong facts?
Post by: Hugh Damright on June 10, 2008, 04:02:37 AM
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Is anyone starting to note the parallels in history that occured North/South in the 1850's and the Blue/Red states of current times?
I tend to see it all as being the same neverending regional conflict.
Post by: Manedwolf on June 10, 2008, 04:06:05 AM
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Is anyone starting to note the parallels in history that occured North/South in the 1850's and the Blue/Red states of current times?
I tend to see it all as being the same neverending regional conflict.
Except it's not regional anymore. There's the left coast, then the more conservative Midwest with the exception of Minnesota and parts of Wisconsin and Illinois, then the conservative Deep South and northern New England separated by a band of statism.
So you have urban centers of CA being hard-left, along with those of Oregon and Washington, while rural areas are more conservative. You have lefties in large parts of Colorado, while others are still conservative. Most of the Midwest is conservative, though Chicago rules the rest of Illinois with an iron left fist, Wisconsin has the mess of Madison, Michigan has the failure called Detroit, and Minnesota seems to have mostly fallen to the ultra-PC doormats. On the east coast, the more conservative states of the Deep South are separated from northern New England, quite similar, by the statist band of New York, Connecticut, New Jersey and Massachusetts.
It's gotten more confusing.
Post by: MicroBalrog on June 10, 2008, 04:45:45 AM
As opposed to what? They're the only effective organization with legal clout and the ability to appear in suits with lawyers.
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They aren't the ones behind Heller, are they?
Post by: Ben on June 10, 2008, 04:48:41 AM
Post by: oldfart on June 10, 2008, 08:10:26 AM
They helped put together NFA-34, GCA-68, and this most recent abortion called the NICS Improvement Act. Each time they told us that it was the best deal we could have gotten and we should be glad we still get to keep any guns at all.
I bought all that too... until I realized they were trying to scuttle what has come to be known as D.C. vs. Heller. It took me a long time to understand that the NRA needs gun control to justify the bloated salaries of its officers and staff. If the only reason the NRA had for existing was to promote gun safety and marksmanship their ranks - and income - would shrink dramatically. I was finally convinced of this when I called their ILA office to complain about their colaborration with Schumer and McCarthy on the NICS Improvement Act. No matter what I said to the person on the other end of the conversation, he simply replied that I'd feel differently once I was properly educated.
Folks, I paid the NRA to REPRESENT me, not educate me! I spent more years than I like to remember in entirely too many schools to get a well-rounded education and I don't believe I need any more. If the rest of you don't mind letting them pee on your leg while telling you it's raining then you go ahead but it ain't for me.
Post by: Manedwolf on June 10, 2008, 08:27:05 AM
They helped put together NFA-34, GCA-68, and this most recent abortion called the NICS Improvement Act. Each time they told us that it was the best deal we could have gotten and we should be glad we still get to keep any guns at all.
How has the NCIS improvement act affected you?
Have you ever been judged mentally incompetent by a court? No?
Then it doesn't.
Post by: xavier fremboe on June 10, 2008, 09:34:39 AM
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Barack Obama's presidential campaign is funded entirely by grassroots supporters like you. Senator Obama does not accept money from special interest groups and Washington lobbyists. As a result:
* Barack Obama owes nothing to the Health Insurance Industry
* Barack Obama owes nothing to the Oil Industry
* Barack Obama owes nothing to the Weapons Industry
* Barack Obama owes nothing to the Health Insurance Industry
* Barack Obama owes nothing to the Oil Industry
* Barack Obama owes nothing to the Weapons Industry
Yet the fact check section features quote after quote of him going out of his way to make you feel secure about RKBA.
Post by: Manedwolf on June 10, 2008, 09:37:37 AM
When you sign up to be Obamaton, this is on the page asking you to donate:
Yet the fact check section features quote after quote of him going out of his way to make you feel secure about RKBA.
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Barack Obama's presidential campaign is funded entirely by grassroots supporters like you. Senator Obama does not accept money from special interest groups and Washington lobbyists. As a result:
* Barack Obama owes nothing to the Health Insurance Industry
* Barack Obama owes nothing to the Oil Industry
* Barack Obama owes nothing to the Weapons Industry
* Barack Obama owes nothing to the Health Insurance Industry
* Barack Obama owes nothing to the Oil Industry
* Barack Obama owes nothing to the Weapons Industry
Yet the fact check section features quote after quote of him going out of his way to make you feel secure about RKBA.
No, he's just beholden to Daley's thugs and crooked real estate investors.
Post by: seeker_two on June 10, 2008, 09:44:38 AM
If anyone wants to point to a more effective 800lb gorilla in the room (or even a 750lb one), I'll re-evaluate my support of the NRA. Otherwise I don't see anyone else committing the kinds of resources they do for a measly $35/yr.
They've been good at working out compromises with the anti-rights crowd where law-abiding gun owners give up something and the anti's give up nothing.
An 800-lb bear can be scary....until you see it backing away from a 50-lb badger with an uncompromising attitude. And an 800-lb gorilla gets nervous quick when a few hornets get into the cage.....
Right now, we need more badgers & bees....
Post by: MechAg94 on June 10, 2008, 10:24:39 AM
Post by: oldfart on June 10, 2008, 01:49:53 PM
The NICS should not exist! It wouldn't exist either, if the NRA hadn't compromised. Any "improvement" short of complete repeal, is polishing a turd. Why should I - or anyone else - have to prove their innocence before being allowed to exercise a right? Is a background check required before posting on this or any other board? Does the FBI have to clear you before you walk into your Church?
I know, not yet... but the 800 lb gorilla might still be able to fix that for us too.
Post by: Manedwolf on June 10, 2008, 05:15:09 PM
"How has the NCIS improvement act affected you?"
The NICS should not exist! It wouldn't exist either, if the NRA hadn't compromised. Any "improvement" short of complete repeal, is polishing a turd. Why should I - or anyone else - have to prove their innocence before being allowed to exercise a right?
The NICS should not exist! It wouldn't exist either, if the NRA hadn't compromised. Any "improvement" short of complete repeal, is polishing a turd. Why should I - or anyone else - have to prove their innocence before being allowed to exercise a right?
I'd put up the picture of the VT shooter posing with his insane rage-filled face, but I'd rather what they looked like be forgotten.
I have no problem with the criminally insane being denied firearms. It makes me less likely I'll have to use my own in self defense or to stop a rampage.
Post by: oldfart on June 10, 2008, 08:13:40 PM
At some point in life we all must take responsibility for carrying out some sort of distasteful task such as taking out the trash. We cannot spend our entire lives letting others do the dirty work while we enjoy the fruits of their labors. Freedom isn't free now nor has it ever been. Had the VT shooter been less certain of success it isn't likely he'd have even started his rampage. Personally, I'd rather that everyone be armed rather than give a faceless, unaccountable government agency the power to determine who can or cannot defend themselves. The fact that a "law" has been passed to empower that agency doesn't make it any more palatable to me. We all know of "laws" that are neither just nor constitutional but which are enforced anyway.
Post by: Manedwolf on June 10, 2008, 08:21:16 PM
Pick your battles.
Post by: MechAg94 on June 11, 2008, 04:54:29 AM
"How has the NCIS improvement act affected you?"
The NICS should not exist! It wouldn't exist either, if the NRA hadn't compromised. Any "improvement" short of complete repeal, is polishing a turd. Why should I - or anyone else - have to prove their innocence before being allowed to exercise a right? Is a background check required before posting on this or any other board? Does the FBI have to clear you before you walk into your Church?
I know, not yet... but the 800 lb gorilla might still be able to fix that for us too.
At that time in the early 90's there was a LOT of momentum and pressure for the anti-gun side. I feel we did okay in the end getting NICS and a temporary AWB that mostly expired. It gave the NRA and others a lot of ammunition later to show everyone that crime did not change significantly and those laws had little or no effect on crime. It also forced the anti-gun crowd to show their hand when they were caught in two-faced lies saying these laws were all they needed then later saying it was just a beginning. It may not have been popular with gun owners or even right, but I feel those laws helped the NRA and our gun rights (or legal recognition of those rights) in the long run. Just my opinion. The NICS should not exist! It wouldn't exist either, if the NRA hadn't compromised. Any "improvement" short of complete repeal, is polishing a turd. Why should I - or anyone else - have to prove their innocence before being allowed to exercise a right? Is a background check required before posting on this or any other board? Does the FBI have to clear you before you walk into your Church?
I know, not yet... but the 800 lb gorilla might still be able to fix that for us too.
If anything, the AWB sparked the market for AR15's and other "evil black rifles".
Post by: oldfart on June 11, 2008, 09:25:25 AM
I know the NICS is here to stay. Not because it's such a wonderful program but becuase we (that's me and you and the guy down the street) don't have the 'nads to fight it the way it needs to be fought. Instead, we rationalize about the kids in school (a government school?), our 401k (in U.S. dollars - shrinking faster than than a cheap sweater in a hot dryer) and all of our responsibilities to our families, our neighbors, our communities, our towns and cities, our states and of course - the good ol' Yew Ess of Aye, few of whom seem to have any responsibility to us other than keeping track of us well enough to make it easy to extract their exorbitant taxes.
For those of you that think the program does enough good to warrant its continuance, let's look at some numbers (pulled strictly out of my nether regions but probably close enough to make the point.)
Let's suppose the NICS processes a million transfers on a weekend prior to Father's Day. Almost all of them go through with nary a hitch. Some are delayed and a very few are denied. Those that were delayed come through later and even some of those denied are appealed and subsequently approved.
So let's pull another number out of that dark hole and say that 5000 are ultimately denied. That's 5000/1000000 or .005 of the total. That may be good enough for government but I doubt a ballplayer could get a major league contract with such a batting average. But government agencies can get millions of taxpayers dollars with that kind of record because too many of us want to feel safe and to attain that feeling we're willing - nay, eager to give up our freedom - in small portions, of course - for the warm, fuzzy carress of a gloved iron fist.
As I said before: the NICS is here to stay but don't tell me what a great thing it is. I know better and so does anybody whose horizon isn't delineated by the cheeks of their butt!
Post by: MicroBalrog on June 11, 2008, 07:49:23 PM
They helped put together NFA-34, GCA-68, and this most recent abortion called the NICS Improvement Act. Each time they told us that it was the best deal we could have gotten and we should be glad we still get to keep any guns at all.
How has the NCIS improvement act affected you?
Have you ever been judged mentally incompetent by a court? No?
Then it doesn't.
Yes, there are no people outside me.
Post by: gunsmith on June 12, 2008, 07:12:47 AM
JM is trying really hard to lose, at first I thought "no way does BO win"
but everyday I get more and more disgusted with JM.
God Help Us!
Post by: charby on June 12, 2008, 07:18:55 AM
EH, there is some ex nam vet somewhere who can't own a gun because he was depressed in 1969...I do not know him but am sure he exist.
JM is trying really hard to lose, at first I thought "no way does BO win"
but everyday I get more and more disgusted with JM.
God Help Us!
JM is trying really hard to lose, at first I thought "no way does BO win"
but everyday I get more and more disgusted with JM.
God Help Us!
Post by: Manedwolf on June 12, 2008, 07:20:53 AM
EH, there is some ex nam vet somewhere who can't own a gun because he was depressed in 1969...I do not know him but am sure he exist.
JM is trying really hard to lose, at first I thought "no way does BO win"
but everyday I get more and more disgusted with JM.
God Help Us!
JM is trying really hard to lose, at first I thought "no way does BO win"
but everyday I get more and more disgusted with JM.
God Help Us!
Wrong. They had to have been judged mentally incompetent by a court. Depression and treatment for depression does not create any sort of record that affects NICS. Larry Pratt's rants were lies that quoted California laws as if they were part of the NICS overhaul. They were not.
Post by: Gewehr98 on June 12, 2008, 09:09:34 AM
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EH, there is some ex nam vet somewhere who can't own a gun because he was depressed in 1969...I do not know him but am sure he exist.
Manedwolf's correct. It has to be judged by a court - take it from a vet who's being treated for PTSD. I don't want to lose all my firearms because of what the VA's giving me, so I have been checking into this supposed threat. It's not there. The GOA screams about it, but the truth is a judge has to find one mentally unfit before they lose their guns, no different than what's already established out there.
Post by: MicroBalrog on June 13, 2008, 12:34:56 AM
Also, isn't anybody who's been involuntarily committed also at risk?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Post by: gunsmith on June 13, 2008, 11:14:06 AM
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Inquiring minds want to know.
yup!
Post by: El Tejon on June 13, 2008, 11:15:16 AM
Post by: TommyGunn on June 13, 2008, 07:17:20 PM
It is far far too early to predict who will be the next president. I think McCain's chances are better than what one might predict from looking at the current polls.
Congress is another matter. The repukes have basically scre*ed themselves the way they've been spending the past 8 years. Hopefully they will retain enough power to throw a wrench into any real serious antigun laws being proposed.
Post by: Bigjake on June 14, 2008, 03:49:01 AM
Then the GOP can nominate someone worthwhile....
Post by: MicroBalrog on June 14, 2008, 05:00:37 AM
I've got the perfect solution for all of this. Obama taps McCain as VP. They agree on pretty much everything, and McCain brings experience and national security to the ticket. :puke:
Then the GOP can nominate someone worthwhile....
Then the GOP can nominate someone worthwhile....
I second this motion.
Post by: Tallpine on June 14, 2008, 06:38:37 AM
I've got the perfect solution for all of this. Obama taps McCain as VP. They agree on pretty much everything, and McCain brings experience and national security to the ticket. :puke:
Then the GOP can nominate someone worthwhile....
Then the GOP can nominate someone worthwhile....
Great idea! They deserve each other
"McBama - Change Worth Killing People For"
