"Las Vegas False Flag" article, well referenced

[AmbulanceDriver]

Never mind - looks like the wikipedia article was updated recently - not sure how accurate it is, being wikipedia - but it is saying that the 58 deaths were all due to gunshot wounds, and the total injured - 851 now! - 422 were gunshot wounds.  31 of the deaths were DOA at the scene, the rest pronounced at the hospitals.

[Perd Hapley]

The fact that the author asserts a 200 meter shot into a huge crowd of people with an AR15 as nearly impossible wrecks any credibility he might have had . . . .

The fact that he was shooting into a crowd, and didn't need to take carefully aimed shots trips up a lot of people. Yes, generally speaking, a bump stock will not make your gun "more deadly." But when you're just unloading on a mass of people, like the Las Vegas killer did, I would think anything that helps you fire more quickly would make your gun "more deadly."

[Hawkmoon]

I think the point is that of the wounded that arrived at the hospital, the number that were actually shot (as opposed to crushed, trampled, etc) is in question.   That's been a question I've had since this happened - how many of the wounded and killed were shot as opposed to blunt trauma from the panicked crowd.  Not that the shooter isn't responsible for all those deaths and injuries as well, just curious why those numbers have not been released (at least not that I've been able to find).

I wonder if those numbers even exist, at least outside of the hospital. Does it really matter? If some nut is shooting at a crowd I happen to be part of, does it matter if I show up at the emergency room with a bullet would, as opposed to my thigh having been ripped open while scaling a chain link fence to escape?

What if three people in the crowd are killed by gunshots and a fourth dies of a heart attack in the panic? Is the fourth guy any less dead than the other three?

[Perd Hapley]

I wonder if those numbers even exist, at least outside of the hospital. Does it really matter? If some nut is shooting at a crowd I happen to be part of, does it matter if I show up at the emergency room with a bullet would, as opposed to my thigh having been ripped open while scaling a chain link fence to escape?

What if three people in the crowd are killed by gunshots and a fourth dies of a heart attack in the panic? Is the fourth guy any less dead than the other three?

It matters, because people hear the number of wounded, and assume all of those people were shot. That's (probably) millions of people with an exaggerated idea of the firepower of semi-automatic rifles.

[HeroHog]

F/A is good for 3 things I can think of:
- Suppression/Cover fire.
- Firing into a crowd for maximum wounding effect with some kills.
- Firing into an advancing force where you have too many opponents to take time for aimed fire.

What have I missed besides "having fun wasting bullets and money?"

[Brad Johnson]

The fact that he was shooting into a crowd, and didn't need to take carefully aimed shots trips up a lot of people. Yes, generally speaking, a bump stock will not make your gun "more deadly." But when you're just unloading on a mass of people, like the Las Vegas killer did, I would think anything that helps you fire more quickly would make your gun "more deadly."

Also, the crowd density makes head/neck/upper chest hits much more likely even in an un-aimed fire situation.

Brad

[HeroHog]

The angle helps those area hits as well, until they all hit the deck, cower behind cover and/or concealment.

[Hawkmoon]

The angle helps those area hits as well, until they all hit the deck, cower behind cover and/or concealment.

When there are 20,000 people all crowded into an open air venue, "cover" and "concealment" is generally behind some other poor person spectator target.

[KD5NRH]

The fact that the author asserts a 200 meter shot into a huge crowd of people with an AR15 as nearly impossible wrecks any credibility he might have had . . . .

Uh, yeah, and even accounting for the elevation difference, this ain't that hard to disprove with a simple video if anyone's got access to a cliff overlooking a large field and a buttload of silhouettes.

[Hawkmoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjqIJW_Qr3c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM-_XaBVneE