The Great Resignation is the Great Reshuffle

[MillCreek]

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/all-of-those-quitters-theyre-at-work/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=owned_echobox_f&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3acXFPo10UaWEE5X0_eQxGsHvZ-1s-IbWd37RsJuGCnmoPPLEkzLeZd5s#Echobox=1652628397

People are quitting and going to where they are treated and paid better.  Our healthcare system wants me to be the regional director of risk management for Washington state, but they want me to work in a downtown Seattle office five days a week.  I told them no, since that would entail a commute of four hours a day, and if they really want me, we will have to discuss a hybrid model.  We will see if we come to terms.  Since I am still planning on retiring in a year, no great loss if I skip that job.  I did that four hour commute from 2018 to 2020, and never again at my age.

[French G.]

My wonder with you end of career types is that a few million of them are going to look at their retirement assets getting beat up this year and delay retirement until some recovery. That makes the entire job market less mobile.

[MillCreek]

My wonder with you end of career types is that a few million of them are going to look at their retirement assets getting beat up this year and delay retirement until some recovery. That makes the entire job market less mobile.

We are already seeing nursing and other staff revoking their planned retirements due to the current market returns.  This may be because this is a very high cost of living area.

[HankB]

We are already seeing nursing and other staff revoking their planned retirements due to the current market returns.  This may be because this is a very high cost of living area.

My cousin's son (mid-20s) is an RN. He's been working the ER at a hospital on Chicago's north side for some years - he had a job waiting for him as soon as he graduated. Good money, but long commute since he lived in a southern suburb.

Recently he took stock of his job, and decided to switch to becoming a traveling nurse. According to his mom, he's getting paid more - a LOT more, as in over double the pay - and his current assignment is only a 10 minute commute.

So . . . it seems that in today's job market, there are opportunities for skilled workers with a good work ethic. And some established businesses (like the healthcare system in the OP and the hospital my cousin's son was working at) seem to be having trouble wrapping their heads around the situation.

[K Frame]

How much more money are they offering you?

[MillCreek]

How much more money are they offering you?

Not enough to make me embrace that four hour commute five days a week.

[Perd Hapley]

How much more money are they offering you?

Enough you'd consider staying in an apartment during the week?

[Ben]

Enough you'd consider staying in an apartment during the week?

It's Seattle. That'd put him into a negative income situation. 

[K Frame]

It's Seattle. That'd put him into a negative income situation. 

Well, I was thinking more of a business suites hotel or something like that, but that would still be expensive as hell.

[MillCreek]

The sad part is that the office building is 45 miles each way from my home, but during the typical rush hour in this area, it would generally be two hours each way, or four gallons of gas plus $ 325/month parking.  Back when I was making that commute, it was quicker and much cheaper to drive 20 miles to Everett and catch the light rail or Metro bus to and from downtown Seattle. 

[zxcvbob]

As I expected, my leaving IBM a few months ago has started a mass exodus of the older workers in my department.  (almost the entire dept is retirement eligible) I wasn't all *that* important, but everyone was spread way too thin already and there's no one to pick up my work.  Nobody really *knows* what I did, and there is no one to train them.  I gave them 2 years notice and they didn't do anything with it.  The other "dinobabies" that IBM hates have said *expletive deleted*ck it and are also leaving, taking all our knowledge and experience with us.  I've been told that all the new-hires are leaving too.  The product I supported should totally collapse soon, along with all the revenue it provided.  The customers with maintenance contracts that IBM can't possibly fulfill (especially the Large User Group) should start rebelling soon and I hope filing lawsuits.  I think it's funny.

I saw there was a puff piece in the New York Times recently about IBM's CEO.  (Google pushed it to me)  Don't know what that's about.

[MechAg94]

I agree on the commute not being worth it.  Even if it was a good deal of money, the time and headache of a long daily commute can't be worth that. 

My company started allowing 2 or 3 days a week working from home for engineers at our corporate office (going back to "normal" after COVID).  Makes commuting into Houston a lot more attractive than it used to be.  Still happy where I am at.

[MillCreek]

My current commute is two days a week to a clinic 24 miles away which takes about 40 minutes. I can live with that.

[Bogie]

Heh - turns out that a president of a local corp knows some of my local shooting buddies, and it was on the short list of places that I'm going to apply to - because I'm sick of where I've been - it isn't the customers, by the way... It is the management and that they're scared to fire the bad apples...

[K Frame]

A few months ago AT&T started touting that it's "time to return to work!"  Talked about coming back into the office, blah blah blah..

Since then?

Maybe a few dozen additional people have actually returned to this office -- most of the people who are in the building have actually been here the entire time because of the work we do.

AT&T has pretty much said absolutely nothing additional about people returning to work, and as it looks right now, they're disassembling HUGE cubicle zones in this building and either putting the stuff in storage or are tossing it out, not sure which.

Our lease on this building ends in a couple of years.

[grampster]

We helped pay for a course for our DIL get certified for medical coding.  She started her  new job working from home last week.

[bedlamite]

This spring I got put on 60 hour weeks. Extra pay has been nice, but I have an interview after work today.

[RocketMan]

Heh - turns out that a president of a local corp knows some of my local shooting buddies, and it was on the short list of places that I'm going to apply to - because I'm sick of where I've been - it isn't the customers, by the way... It is the management and that they're scared to fire the bad apples...

More proof that often it's who you know, not what you know, that lands a good job.

[MechAg94]

A few months ago AT&T started touting that it's "time to return to work!"  Talked about coming back into the office, blah blah blah..

Since then?

Maybe a few dozen additional people have actually returned to this office -- most of the people who are in the building have actually been here the entire time because of the work we do.

AT&T has pretty much said absolutely nothing additional about people returning to work, and as it looks right now, they're disassembling HUGE cubicle zones in this building and either putting the stuff in storage or are tossing it out, not sure which.

Our lease on this building ends in a couple of years.

My employer owns the corporate office building.  They leased out another floor or two during COVID.  Now the only people with a permanent desk are people that still have an office.  Cubicles are for the day only.  They can't bring everyone back full time if they wanted. 

[Bogie]

I don't know about y'all, but things aren't all about the money. The job has to be interesting and involve accomplishing something. Money merely means that I don't worry about it.

[zxcvbob]

I don't know about y'all, but things aren't all about the money. The job has to be interesting and involve accomplishing something. Money merely means that I don't worry about it.

Short-term it can be all about the money.  Long term it's not; you'll be miserable and the money is usually not worth it.

[RoadKingLarry]

A few months ago AT&T started touting that it's "time to return to work!"  Talked about coming back into the office, blah blah blah..

Since then?

Maybe a few dozen additional people have actually returned to this office -- most of the people who are in the building have actually been here the entire time because of the work we do.

AT&T has pretty much said absolutely nothing additional about people returning to work, and as it looks right now, they're disassembling HUGE cubicle zones in this building and either putting the stuff in storage or are tossing it out, not sure which.

Our lease on this building ends in a couple of years.

The AT&T I worked for would have either thrown it away in the most environmentally unfriendly way possible or locked it all in an empty room and lost the key, never to be used or seen again.

[K Frame]

"The AT&T I worked for would have either thrown it away in the most environmentally unfriendly way possible or locked it all in an empty room and lost the key, never to be used or seen again."

From what I understand, they're going with option 2.

But at least top men are on it. TOP men...

[RoadKingLarry]

At the big Co building in down town Tulsa there were several rooms like that. One of them had several dozen very nice swivel desk/office chairs in it, you could see them from the small window. We had desk chairs with property inventory stickers dating to the late '50s. Could not get a replacement chair for a worn out office chair to save your life. In one corner of the 2nd floor equipment room there was a pile of broken chairs that would have filled two dumpsters had we been allowed to throw them away.
In one of the storage closets there were boxes full of relays and vacuum tubes that hadn't been in use for decades,  a pallet of 60/40 solder*, a half dozen wide carriage manual typewriters, two of them still new in the original box.
Hell, if they were serious about finding Jimmy Hoffa they could start by looking in old AT&T Central Office buildings.





* a few rolls of which may have disappeared just before I retired.

[Jim147]

Sweeten the pot.