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Re: Would you support seceding from the union?
« Reply #50 on: July 18, 2008, 02:53:59 AM »
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I find this to be amusing and creative.

I find these people in their mom's basement eating Cheetoes and not working.
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Re: Would you support seceding from the union?
« Reply #51 on: July 18, 2008, 03:02:01 AM »
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I find this to be amusing and creative.

I find these people in their mom's basement eating Cheetoes and not working.

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Re: Would you support seceding from the union?
« Reply #52 on: July 18, 2008, 04:09:00 AM »
I have given this idea some thought. It might eventually come down to some kind of breakup if thats what it takes to get the size of government under control.

It seems to me there are about 6 or 7 states or groupings of states that are large enough and diverse enough to be self sustaining, have similar cultures, and sea port access.

CA, NY, FL and TX would be obvious states to build new countries around.

It would not surprise me at all if the western provinces of Canada decided at some point they did not want to be part of Canada any more.
As a Texan, I would fully support the secession of California and New York.
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Re: Would you support seceding from the union?
« Reply #53 on: July 18, 2008, 08:47:47 AM »
longeyes is so right, people are already emmigrating from the leftist states to other states and the other way around.

I know a whole family from Arizona who wants to move to California (or Canada) because they don't agree with the rightist politics in Arizona. My wife and I are moving from Canada to Arizona (I'm a US Citizen) to get away from the leftist politics here and get involved in keeping/moving AZ even more to the right.

Maybe AZ wouldn't make a good country on it's own but heck I think AZ, NM, TX and some others could get along just fine. Maybe the rest of America could just amputate CA, NY and DC

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Re: Would you support seceding from the union?
« Reply #54 on: July 18, 2008, 08:48:55 AM »
longeyes is so right, people are already emmigrating from the leftist states to other states and the other way around.

I know a whole family from Arizona who wants to move to California (or Canada) because they don't agree with the rightist politics in Arizona. My wife and I are moving from Canada to Arizona (I'm a US Citizen) to get away from the leftist politics here and get involved in keeping/moving AZ even more to the right.

Maybe AZ wouldn't make a good country on it's own but heck I think AZ, NM, TX and some others could get along just fine. Maybe the rest of America could just amputate CA, NY and DC

Problem here is the leftists come to NH to get away from failed MA, for the "quality of life"...and then they vote for the same crap that ruined the place they fled!

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Re: Would you support seceding from the union?
« Reply #55 on: July 18, 2008, 08:49:42 AM »
Also I don't eat Cheetos, I live with my wife in an apartment and I don't now nor have I ever owned anything related to Star Wars; though when I was about 8 I did own a Star Trek toy... maybe that's what pushed me over the edge.

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Re: Would you support seceding from the union?
« Reply #56 on: July 18, 2008, 08:51:58 AM »
Yeah Manedwolf you should encourage rightists in other more left states to join the free state project (http://www.freestateproject.org/) so they can drowned out all the people trying to ruin NH. When AZ and TX make a new country we'll send an army of diggers to come liberate NH and graft it onto the gulf coast ok?

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Re: Would you support seceding from the union?
« Reply #57 on: July 18, 2008, 08:59:43 AM »
It seems to me we are moving into a period where the old approaches, one of which might have been "secession," aren't necessarily applicable.  We could have greater States' autonomy; that could be another "solution."  But a lot is going to be in flux and new ideas will be floated.  The underlying reality is that we have a deeply divided country that doesn't appear to be re-fusable philosophically.  We also have an increasingly rogue government that does not represent either a huge swath of the populace or abide by the U.S. Constitution.  That is going to engender SOMETHING that will "set things right."  It is too early to say how all this will shake out, or who will end up siding with whom.  Economic and global political adversity can only accelerate the urgency.
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Re: Would you support seceding from the union?
« Reply #58 on: July 18, 2008, 09:01:39 AM »
Yeah Manedwolf you should encourage rightists in other more left states to join the free state project (http://www.freestateproject.org/) so they can drowned out all the people trying to ruin NH. When AZ and TX make a new country we'll send an army of diggers to come liberate NH and graft it onto the gulf coast ok?

GOOD GOD NO!!!!


We're trying to get them to LEAVE!  shocked

All they do is cause public scenes, get themselves arrested, scream things about Ron Paul and "9/11 being an inside job" in public, embarrass the state badly in the national media, and otherwise make absolute nuisances of themselves. Their idea of "protest" is to speed in a car without registration or a license, then throw themselves to the ground and make the police carry them to the cruiser...and then have others go march around the jail wearing "V for Vendetta" costumes. Oh, and they're also currently endangering open carry by continually trying to start something with cops, so they can get hassled on video over it. Their antics have brought the US Marshals to Manchester not once, but twice, now. Everything they do and have done has caused the leftists to have a PR victory.

EVERYONE I know around here wants them to get the hell out and go elsewhere! They're basement-dwellers X100!

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Re: Would you support seceding from the union?
« Reply #59 on: July 18, 2008, 11:01:15 AM »
Well then you can move to Main and all the nutters can live in one state... maybe they'll get somewhere and end up living free, in basements but free.

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Re: Would you support seceding from the union?
« Reply #60 on: July 18, 2008, 11:04:33 AM »
Well then you can move to Main and all the nutters can live in one state... maybe they'll get somewhere and end up living free, in basements but free.

No, THEY can move to Maine. Or to Mass, if they want to fight to "free" a state. They're just nutty basement sorts, they just want attention. Probably people who didn't get enough attention from their parents as children, I have no idea. They just keep getting arrested when they do stupid things like not register a car, then claim it's "oppression". rolleyes

We were here first, and the state was just fine before they came! Best way to piss off a New Englander is to be a carpetbagger coming in and telling people you're going to "change" things.

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Re: Would you support seceding from the union?
« Reply #61 on: July 18, 2008, 11:27:57 AM »
Well if you're all part of the same country what gives you more of a right to be there than them?

And not everyone who think there should be change dresses up as a bear and gets arrested for strange stuff. and if they don't want to register a car how does that effect their driving ability? I'm all for licensing driving but the registration is a cash grab.

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Re: Would you support seceding from the union?
« Reply #62 on: July 18, 2008, 11:34:58 AM »
You're new here, so it's not surprising that you don't know this FBA.

Maned has a few pet peeves, if you will, of which the FSP outranks even CGI movies and high fructose corn syrup. Even tho he's originally from Florida, he despises "carpetbaggers" and thinks NH is what G-d was really talking about when he referred to the Promised Land.

While I agree that not everyone in the FSP is a raving lunatic, it does seem to attract a rather disproportionate percentage of them. And as with any group the vocal idiots are the ones who get all the press. I think most of the realistic and dedicated members of that little political "movement" bailed after the vote to goto NH instead of Wyoming or some other place with a low enough population that they might actually be able to make a difference.
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Re: Would you support seceding from the union?
« Reply #63 on: July 18, 2008, 11:38:03 AM »
I'm with him on the CGI movies "Hey we don't need ACTING or PLOT if we have EFFECTS!" tickets are $13.50 up here so it's especially offensive when you go to a movie and it turns out to be only 98 minutes long and those 98 minutes are *nothing* but effects intermixing the trailer you already saw

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Re: Would you support seceding from the union?
« Reply #64 on: July 18, 2008, 11:43:50 AM »
While I agree that not everyone in the FSP is a raving lunatic, it does seem to attract a rather disproportionate percentage of them. And as with any group the vocal idiots are the ones who get all the press. I think most of the realistic and dedicated members of that little political "movement" bailed after the vote to goto NH instead of Wyoming or some other place with a low enough population that they might actually be able to make a difference.

From what I have researched, the original intentions were nothing like what's ended up here, no. If some of the original organizers are in Wyoming, I don't know.

I just know that what ended up here, taking over its name, are the worst sorts of Ron Paul-obsessed anti-government anarchist conspiracy theorists and basement-dwelling loons, a group that's managed to piss off every local resident they come in contact with, and seems to equate "protest" with "get arrested as many times as possible."

I think what really broke it for most people was when they ruined the Nashua Holiday Walk (think Currier and Ives print, people just walking along holiday-lit 19th century Main Street with children, shops open late with special displays, cafes open, carolers and music) ...by marching in a large group with signs along the street bellowing "ROOON PAUL!" at the top of their lungs. It was not a political event. It was completely out of place. One lady even wrote into the paper that it'd scared her kids and ruined the evening.

Then, chasing Sean Hannity around Manchester like a crazed mob on national TV, screaming that "Fox News Sucks!"...that was just icing on the cake for local embarrassment.

News headlines like "US Marshals in Manchester to question Brown supporters"...with detail that some among the Free State Movement here had been questioned for threatening violence over the arrest of the tax frauds from their armed bunker, that didn't exactly meet with public approval, either. I'm sure that didn't exactly please the originator of the movement, really. It seems to have been hijacked by the conspiracy nuts.

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Re: Would you support seceding from the union?
« Reply #65 on: July 18, 2008, 11:48:13 AM »
From what I have researched, the original intentions were nothing like what's ended up here, no. If some of the original organizers are in Wyoming, I don't know.

I just know that what ended up here, taking over its name, are the worst sorts of Ron Paul-obsessed anti-government anarchist basement-dwelling loons, a group that's managed to piss off every local resident they come in contact with. 

Yeah, when I first heard of the FSP I was really excited. A bunch of freedom minded people move to a couple sparsely populated counties in a sparsely populated state, where they will be able to start at the lowest levels then gradually influence the entire politics of the state. It's how the effing libertarians would do things if they weren't almost terminally incompetent at politics. Get your ideas at work in the school boards and local government, then move up from there. Instead they spend most of their money on doomed bids for Potus. /sigh
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Re: Would you support seceding from the union?
« Reply #66 on: July 18, 2008, 11:59:34 AM »
longeyes is so right, people are already emmigrating from the leftist states to other states and the other way around.

I know a whole family from Arizona who wants to move to California (or Canada) because they don't agree with the rightist politics in Arizona. My wife and I are moving from Canada to Arizona (I'm a US Citizen) to get away from the leftist politics here and get involved in keeping/moving AZ even more to the right.

Maybe AZ wouldn't make a good country on it's own but heck I think AZ, NM, TX and some others could get along just fine. Maybe the rest of America could just amputate CA, NY and DC
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Re: Would you support seceding from the union?
« Reply #67 on: July 19, 2008, 04:16:31 AM »
While I was browsing in a gun shop yesterday, one guy who was shopping for his first gun turned to me and said,  "You know we are all going to need guns really soon don't you?"  My reply was, "I've been stocking up for the last 20 years!"  He kind of gave me a funny look and walked out the door.

Is there going to be a social and political upheaval in the US?  Most likely, but about 40 years late.

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Re: Would you support seceding from the union?
« Reply #68 on: July 19, 2008, 05:05:10 AM »
Funny. I've never lived in a basement.

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Re: Would you support seceding from the union?
« Reply #69 on: July 19, 2008, 07:01:10 PM »
I have pondered this idea a fair bit but secession...the ills that plague this country are great, I'll give you that but outright secession, no. Rather we only have a few states whose illness threatens us or rather the mentality that they keep. Surely not all of those who reside in those states are same-wise afflicted but those who are those who are in power.

Let's be honest, California needs redivision into three different states, allowing the good rural folk to have their own, left the city folk whom embrace lesser standards of capitalism(or embrace destructive socialism) and morality (I don't mean San Fran, the gays really cleaned it up and made it nice last I saw of it, could do with more of them in Orange County Florida), and let those whom are either refugees of Mexico or outright seekers of citizenship to have their own, but no we should not let any piece of America go. Illinois's citizens need to get together and rewrite their state constitution to take the singurlarly concentrated powers of statehood away from Chicago's provincial domination, I believe a good many folks of Illinois are in the middle of some such effort. Now D.C., what good can be said is so gravely countered almost biblically in proportion to that which can be said to be ill. Detroit, well another complaint. New Orleans, give Lousiana a festering sore upoin its great identity as a state.

As there has been an explosion of weakness, socialist embrace, and Pro-European(unfortunately not like Switzerland or Finnland in some respects) that critically stains this nation, secession is not the answer, rather we must continue (those of us who are patriots) to push for a return to true democracy within the embrace of a Republic, work to instill in a people a sense of pride in hardwork and the effort to bette one's self be it mentally, academically, spiritually what have you, and work to make it understood to our politicians that they bow to us and not us who bow to them, besides I'm pretty sure I could kick the living crud out of a few of them, all those guns they have behind them just means their weak and lowly, for once what fear a Roman Senator had to walk alone without guard in the streets of his people.

Alas my words are only pretty ones I'm sure, the sickness still spread and we shall see what the future holds. I'm an American, I pay my loyalties and respects to the United States and the Constitution so long as their is still the Bill of Rights. Any country without the Bill of Rights is not an American country and to them I owe no loyalty, no respect. Just as I would not stand to have China decide my rights, to others I would no greater observation and tolerance. As I see it, the worst that can happen is I get to heaven a little sooner or if I get lucky I get to Valhalla where there is Beer, willing and wanting tall gorgeous blondes, and plenty of fighting to be had. But that's just me. LOL

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Re: Would you support seceding from the union?
« Reply #70 on: July 20, 2008, 06:54:05 PM »
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Funny. I've never lived in a basement

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Re: Would you support seceding from the union?
« Reply #71 on: July 20, 2008, 07:06:01 PM »
"true democracy" is mob rule, America is a republic. The fact is the leftists are gaining incredible power because they have numbers, THAT'S democracy, LA, SF, Chicago, NYC, DC all have HUGE population and make up more and more of the vote, The foundation of the republic has a Senate to balance this but too often The Senate just does what The House wants and there is a lot of corruption and people getting paid to vote one way or another or trading votes to get their pork approved.

On that note, perhaps ManedWolf should remember that even the nuts on the far right have just one vote the same as the nuts on the far left, and they might be embarrassing but when was the last time someone in a wookie costume tried to take away your rights and tell you they have your best interests in mind?

No getting arrested for stupid stuff, wrecking events and hooting and hollering isn't going to fix or change things but isn't it amazing and wonderful that they are allowed to continue to do that and fight for what they believe in, even if they do it in a bizarre way.

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Re: Would you support seceding from the union?
« Reply #72 on: July 21, 2008, 07:02:25 AM »
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California needs redivision into three different states ... secession is not the answer

If California is too big to be one State, then couldn't it also be that the US is too big to be one Union? Isn't it the same kind of thing?

As for "giving up part of America", Virginia does not belong to Americans, it belongs to Virginians.

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Re: Would you support seceding from the union?
« Reply #73 on: July 21, 2008, 08:03:00 AM »
Virginia does not belong to Americans, it belongs to Virginians.

Exactly so if the rest of America doesn't like CA and NY dictating it's politics then why does it continue to allow this to happen? It's terrible.

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Re: Would you support seceding from the union?
« Reply #74 on: July 22, 2008, 09:41:50 AM »
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Funny. I've never lived in a basement.

The soil is too rocky there.  I note that you said nothing about a wookie custome and Cheetoes. grin

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As for "giving up part of America", Virginia does not belong to Americans, it belongs to Virginians.

Well, the West Virginians thought so. grin

And Virginia DOES belong to America when Bobby Lee threw in the towel at Appomattox.

I do not smoke pot, wear Wookie suits, live in my mom's basement, collect unemployment checks or eat Cheetoes, therefore I am not a Ron Paul voter.