Also, I'd be very careful about denouncing a theory based on the poor, and racist, grasp that some have had on it.
My point is that they grasped the
significance behind evolution better than many do today. If we truly evolved in a random manner, and have no purpose beyond living until we die, then what is to prevent us from acting exactly as we want? And where do souls, emotions, and intellect come from?
In Mein Kampf, Hitler used the German word for evolution (Entwicklung) many times, citing "lower human types." He criticized the Jews for bringing "Negroes into the Rhineland" with the aim of "ruining the white race by the necessarily resulting ization." He spoke of "Monstrosities halfway between man and ape" and lamented the fact of Christians going to "Central Africa" to set up "Negro missions," resulting in the turning of "healthy . . . human beings into a rotten brood of s." In his chapter entitled "Nation and Race," he said, "The stronger must dominate and not blend with the weaker, thus sacrificing his own greatness. Only the born weakling can view this as cruel, but he, after all, is only a weak and limited man; for if this law did not prevail, any conceivable higher development (Hoherentwicklung) of organic living beings would be unthinkable." A few pages later, he said, "Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live."
The very origins of evolution are racist. Charles Darwin is widely regarded as being the father of modern evolution.
"From the Preservation of favored races in the struggle for life' [that is, Darwin 's subtitle to Origin of Species] it was a short step to the preservation of favored individuals, classes or nations - and from their preservation to their glorification . . . Thus, it has become a portmunteau of nationalism, imperialism, militarism, and dictatorship, of the cults of the hero, the superman, and the master race . . . recent expressions of this philosophy, such as Mein Kampf are, unhappily, too familiar to require exposition here." - Gertrude Himmelfarb, Social Darwinism in American Thought, 1962
This is what Darwin wrote, in his book, The Descent of Man (1901, pp. 241-242)
At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, even as the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between a Negro or Australian [aborigine] and the gorilla.
H. Klaatsch, a prominent German evolutionist, concluded that human races differ not only because of survival factors, but also for the reason that they evolved from different primates. The Blacks came from the gorillas, the Whites from the chimpanzees, and the Orientals from the orangutans, and it is for this reason that some races are superior. He concluded that "the gorilla and the Neanderthal man" have a close biological affinity to "a large number of the living African blacks . . ."
Kentucky - to equate the idea that a foetus is not a living thing to the idea of evolution is something I've never heard. Frankly, it sound like an argument that only someone with a very vague and tenuous grasp of both abortion and evolution would make - where did you hear it?
Actually, I would argue that only someone who has no grasp of the history of either movement would argue otherwise.
Margaret Sanger is the founder of Planned Parenthood, the largest pro-abortion group in America. (And also the oldest I believe).
Planned Parenthood Federation of America (See Abortion section) was started by a racist, Margaret Sanger, who drew upon writings from socialists and eugenicists. She even published articles from Adolf Hitler's director of eugenic sterilization, Ernst Rudin, and spawned "The Negro Project," her strategy for eliminating the black population.[65] She believed in removing what she called "the dead weight of human waste." [59] In the last week of July 2002, a lawyer in Missouri filed a federal lawsuit against Planned Parenthood for their failure to fully inform women about abortion. The lawyer also agrued that Planned Parenthood is a racist organization that targets minority women.
The modern day abortion rights movement began as the American Birth Control League in 1921. Among its founding board members were Margaret Sanger, Lothrup Stoddard, and C. C. Little. The latter two people were known for their racist views, but Margaret Sanger continually shows up in the company of other racists. In fact, she was the guest speaker at a Ku Klux Klan rally in Silverlake, N. J. in 1926.
Robert N. Proctor (Racial Hygiene: Medicine Under the Nazis [1988]) observed: "Prior to Darwin, it was difficult to argue against the Judeo-Christian conception of the unity of man, based on the single creation of Adam and Eve. Darwin 's theory suggested that humans had evolved over hundreds of thousands, even millions of years, and that the races of men had diverged while adapting to the particularities of local conditions. The impact of Darwin's theory was enormous."
So, the Darwin was a racist. Margaret Sanger, who was a big fan of both Darwin and Hitler, was a racist. The roots of evolution are in racism, and it has been carried to it's logical conclusion by both Hitler and Sanger.
Alexander Sanger is the grandson of Margaret Sanger and Sanger is currently Goodwill Ambassador for the United Nations Population Fund and he also serves as chairman of The International Planned Parenthood Council.
But Sanger says that's the whole problem with the traditional pro-abortion argument. To rescue the pro-abortion movement from its dependence on deflated arguments, he points to evolutionary biology.
Here's how it works: "The new framework I am proposing is based on evolutionary biology. It is from a basis in science that reproductive rights emerge. This framework is not exclusive of a feminist or human framework. On the contrary, I will argue that understanding evolutionary biology and the role of reproductive control within it can lead to a stronger basis for the necessity of women's and human rights. I will argue that reproductive rights are beneficial to women, men, and families as they pursue their reproductive strategies."
In sum, Sanger wants to shift the debate from morality to biology. "In my view, the most compelling and honest way to do this is to justify abortion on a biological basis," he urges. "Abortion is, after all, a biological act. We can justify it as such."
Evolution is a KEY component of Eugenics, which is dedicated to removing the polluted blood of "lower races" from our society. I can supply quotes and history if needed.
On the subject of dating:
Just as a correlary though, what gives you the background to judge the validity of these dating methods?
What dating method do you propose in their place that is both more accurate and more reliable?
I am not a scientist, nor do I hold a degree in any scientific field. I will endeavor to supply validation for any claim that I make though, including quotes and facts from well known and respected scientists of all fields.
As stated before, I am now aware of ANY dating method which reliably date objects over 10,000 years old. You seem who have a great deal of faith in some that can. I am simply asking that you supply some data to validate your claim that evolution is supported by dating and then we can examine that data to see if it holds up. If you have a degree in geology and I work in the log home industry, the advantage will obviously be yours!
Finally, I do hope that everyone involved with this discussion will be able to remain calm and factual with our arguments. There is a tendency to become very emotionally involved when one's faith is questioned, and I am as guilty as anyone. If any of you feel that I have crossed a line at any time please let me know, I will strive to provide my data with a good attitude, and hope everyone agrees to do the same.
