Armed Polite Society
Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: wmenorr67 on July 20, 2014, 01:07:37 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/20/cartels-suspected-as-high-caliber-gunfire-sends-border-patrol-scrambling-on-rio/
Tell me again why we don't lay waste to the border region? We are at war with Mexico no one wants to mention it.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/20/cartels-suspected-as-high-caliber-gunfire-sends-border-patrol-scrambling-on-rio/
Tell me again why we don't lay waste to the border region? We are at war with Mexico no one wants to mention it.
Because that would just be mean and not accommodating to teh feels.
We'd rather worry about someone elses spat half a world away that we have no intention or real ability to actually get involved in.
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Wonder if the ROEs prohibiting return fire are official or unofficial?
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Whatever.
As long as the disease ridden criminals future American leaders can safely make it thru.
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Well my thinking is that if the BP is being shot at with 50 cals we need to call out the big guns. I say a few drones armed with Hellfires.
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From the ^^ link above.
"The Rio Grande sector has been the busiest part of the 2,000-mile border with Texas in recent months as a surge of illegal immigrants, many from Central America, has poured in to the U.S. in the mistaken belief that U.S. policy allows for them to remain in America once they make it in."
Emphasis,mine.
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. . . mistaken belief that U.S. policy allows for them to remain in America once they make it in."
Waiting to see if it's actually a mistaken belief.
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Fighting a war against mexico is racist, regardless if the other side is invading us.
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I really wish we could have open war with Mexico. That way, when they surrender, we can force them to take back California. And New Jersey, Connecticut, Illinois, etc.
We will, of course, be gracious, by keeping Texas.
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When we prosecute border patrol agents for shooting a fleeing drug dealer, I doesn't surprise me that they are reluctant to shoot back. That is why I always caution people about putting the military on the border. Our DC politicians would pile them with so many ROEs that they couldn't spit without being court marshaled.
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When we prosecute border patrol agents for shooting a fleeing drug dealer, I doesn't surprise me that they are reluctant to shoot back. That is why I always caution people about putting the military on the border. Our DC politicians would pile them with so many ROEs that they couldn't spit without being court marshaled.
martialed.
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;) :angel:
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So does a grammar nazi get sent to a courts martial or a tribunal?
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So does a grammar nazi get sent to a courts martial or a tribunal?
Neither, he gets a drumhead trial and is summarily executed. [popcorn]
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So does a grammar nazi get sent to a courts martial or a tribunal?
Neither,he gets re-patriated to Paraguay to retire.
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So does a grammar nazi get sent to a courts martial or a tribunal?
Neither, he gets a drumhead trial and is summarily executed. [popcorn]
Depends on whether or not the flag has a gold fringe . . . ;)
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Fighting a war against mexico is racist, regardless if the other side is invading us.
Is it still racist if we only use Hispanic officers and Hispanic troops?
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What is the downside to having a fast response military team or assets in place to come to the rescue if Border Patrol comes under enemy fire?
I don't want Border Patrol tasked with fighting paramilitary or military assets. It needs to be understood that if you fire upon the US Border Patrol the response will be a swift and overwhelming military response. Why not US military helicopter gunships as back up?
Might be a good role for retiring A-10's [ar15]
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What is the downside to having a fast response military team or assets in place to come to the rescue if Border Patrol comes under enemy fire?
I don't want Border Patrol tasked with fighting paramilitary or military assets. It needs to be understood that if you fire upon the US Border Patrol the response will be a swift and overwhelming military response. Why not US military helicopter gunships as back up?
Perfect job for the National Guard, in my somewhat ignorant opinion.
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Perfect job for the National Guard, in my somewhat ignorant opinion.
Why travel across the world to find bad guys in the desert when we have a desert border here in the USA? Nat Guard, regular army, whatever. A fine place to train on patrols, ambushes, raids, etc. Light infantry and mech and recon. Probably not cost effective to patrol with Abrams.
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What is the downside to having a fast response military team or assets in place to come to the rescue if Border Patrol comes under enemy fire?
I don't want Border Patrol tasked with fighting paramilitary or military assets. It needs to be understood that if you fire upon the US Border Patrol the response will be a swift and overwhelming military response. Why not US military helicopter gunships as back up?
Might be a good role for retiring A-10's [ar15]
I agree. And put up a few drones armed with Hellfires, too. The drones can stay up a lot longer than manned aircraft.
Something has to be done. Firing military-grade weapons into the U.S. is an act of war, but our fearless leader doesn't have the cajones to call it what it is. We need the Army patrolling the border, and I don't mean the National Guard. There's a lot of armor at one of the posts in Texas -- roll some of it down to the border and be ready to return incoming fire.
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Could Governors Perry or Brewer have the NG or state guard shoot-down a Mexican military 'copter if it was on our side? I think the resulting political crisis would be refreshing.
(why isn't this a problem in New Mexico? It's almost like it's being coordinated at some high level) [tinfoil]
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Could Governors Perry or Brewer have the NG or state guard shoot-down a Mexican military 'copter if it was on our side? I think the resulting political crisis would be refreshing.
(why isn't this a problem in New Mexico? It's almost like it's being coordinated at some high level) [tinfoil]
Because new mexico is the mississippi of the southwest.
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I agree. And put up a few drones armed with Hellfires, too. The drones can stay up a lot longer than manned aircraft.
Something has to be done. Firing military-grade weapons into the U.S. is an act of war, but our fearless leader doesn't have the cajones to call it what it is. We need the Army patrolling the border, and I don't mean the National Guard. There's a lot of armor at one of the posts in Texas -- roll some of it down to the border and be ready to return incoming fire.
The National Guard is the Army and the Air Force. We are held to and trained to the same standards and do so with a lot less time and money. Most NG units run circles around Active units when they train together.
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Personally, I think returning fire from cartel members with 120mm canister rounds seems perfectly reasonable.
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Wonder if the ROEs prohibiting return fire are official or unofficial?
In this case, common sense. You really want to shoot back blind at crew-served weaponry with a pistol? That's just giving away your exact position.
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Could Governors Perry or Brewer have the NG or state guard shoot-down a Mexican military 'copter if it was on our side? I think the resulting political crisis would be refreshing.
(why isn't this a problem in New Mexico? It's almost like it's being coordinated at some high level) [tinfoil]
Apparently Rick Perry reads APS:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/21/gov-rick-perry-to-mobilize-texas-national-guard-troops-to-secure-u-s-mexico-border
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Apparently Rick Perry reads APS:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/21/gov-rick-perry-to-mobilize-texas-national-guard-troops-to-secure-u-s-mexico-border
I just saw that. I'm curious as to how they'll be equipped to respond, or if they'll just be a bunch of unarmed people in uniform?
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I just saw that. I'm curious as to how they'll be equipped to respond, or if they'll just be a bunch of unarmed people in uniform?
Not a good scenario, but maybe having American troops attacked on American soil by a foreign enemy would finally qualify as an act of war to enough people to get something useful done.
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Not a good scenario, but maybe having American troops attacked on American soil by a foreign enemy would finally qualify as an act of war to enough people to get something useful done.
I'll belive it when I see it
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I'll belive it when I see it
Maybe we could get Obama to prove how safe it is by leading the troops himself.
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Not a good scenario, but maybe having American troops attacked on American soil by a foreign enemy would finally qualify as an act of war to enough people to get something useful done.
With Obama I wouldn't be surprised if any NG troop that caught lead weren't prosecuted for it.
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Maybe we could get Obama to prove how safe it is by leading the troops himself.
Don't make me laugh.
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Forget infantry. Forget drones. It's much cheaper to put some artillery in the area, and upon receiving fire, call in a fire mission. Three or four crews and a few shells could dissuade the snipers real quick, and the casualty count north or the border would be minimal. (I know, it's never going to happen, but it is fun to think about.)
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Saw somewhere there was a proposal for 20K troops on the border. That is at least a division depending on the configuration.
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Forget infantry. Forget drones. It's much cheaper to put some artillery in the area, and upon receiving fire, call in a fire mission. Three or four crews and a few shells could dissuade the snipers real quick, and the casualty count north or the border would be minimal. (I know, it's never going to happen, but it is fun to think about.)
You need infantry to (at least) flush them out like a bird dog.
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You need infantry to (at least) flush them out like a bird dog.
I know. I was an infantry officer back in the day. Just like the thought of a cartel team hearing a funny whistling, then fade to black.
(edited for fat-finger spelling error)
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I know. I was an infantry officer back in the day. Just like the thought of a cartel team hearing a funny whistling, then fade to back.
Plus one to that.