Janus Vs. AFSCME

[AmbulanceDriver]

https://apnews.com/0f83c64b1dd249de9ec89ab85235790a/Supreme-Court-deals-big-setback-to-labor-unions

So the court basically ruled that you don't have to pay union dues, or even "fair share" or "agency" fees to work for a government agency if that agency's workforce is represented by a union.

Surprisingly, this is going to have a pretty significant impact on private sector unions as well, as some (for example, Teamsters) represent public agencies in addition to private businesses.

I agree with the decision, but I think that the impact on unions from this decision is going to be massive.  Significant enough that I would surmise some unions *will* fail as a result of this decision.

[Ben]

As a former fed.gov employee, let me say emphatically that NO public worker needs a union. Government workers are pretty much in a de facto union just working for Uncle Sugar. It was interesting to me that there wasn't even a union option for me (which I wouldn't have taken), but in my outfit, besides people like meteorologists and wage marines, all the lawyers had a union.

[Devonai]

I've said it here before, but my membership in the federal technician's union is optional.  Fine by me.

But, having been compelled to dance with the devil in the pale moonlight join the SEIU in the past, all I can say would too vigorously offend Art's grammaw.

[Scout26]

This is "Right to Work" writ large, just like what happened in Wisconsin after Walker became governor will now happen through most of the rest of the US. 

[brimic]

This is just like ACT-10 from WI on a national scale.
Expect meltdowns, feces throwing (literally), and general insanity from the left in levels that you've never seen before.

[MechAg94]

This is just like ACT-10 from WI on a national scale.
Expect meltdowns, feces throwing (literally), and general insanity from the left in levels that you've never seen before.

How much low and high level intimidation do you expect between unions and federal employees?

[Brad Johnson]

I agree with the decision, but I think that the impact on unions from this decision is going to be massive.  Significant enough that I would surmise some unions *will* fail as a result of this decision.

Good. Too many unions have remained in existence, not to mention power, only because of forced participation. Now they will have to actually provide a benefit. Those who's benevolence and usefulness is deemed worthy of member participation will succeed. Those who exist simply to suck up money from forced dues will fail. That's the way it should be.

Brad

[MillCreek]

As a healthcare executive, I have worked with many unions.  I have always said that the first duty of a union is to convince people they need a union.

[Hawkmoon]

How much low and high level intimidation do you expect between unions and federal employees?

Dunno about federal, but I shared an office on a construction site with an inspector from my state's government. He liked to talk ... a lot. About things in general, and about himself in particular. It seems that, at least in my state, government employees vote the way the union tells them to vote.

Period. Full stop.

[Boomhauer]

This is just like ACT-10 from WI on a national scale.
Expect meltdowns, feces throwing (literally), and general insanity from the left in levels that you've never seen before.

I follow one of our reps Facebook page (Jeff Duncan) to read the comments from the batshit crazy leftists that love to *expletive deleted*it all over his page. He posted in celebration of this ruling. His usual crop of rabid leftists were beside themselves over this

Apparently if you aren’t in a union according to them you don’t get overtime pay, sick leave, vacation time, health benefits, and retirement pay...much less appropriate pay. We non union workers are too *expletive deleted*ing stupid to manage our own lives and choose our career outcomes according to our betters


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[brimic]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Wisconsin_protests

The actual protests were a big win for WI conservatives.
When you have one political direction protesting incessantly, attacking legislators, destroying public property, acting like enraged chimps, and leaving areas of the inner capital building smeared with human feces, it pretty much paints the left (Democrats) as unhinged crybabies who who don't deserve a seat at the table.
Other than Senator baldwin (replacing Kohl) elected in 2012, and a single WI supreme court race won by a liberal (the right completely screwed the pooch on this race), the democrats haven't won much of anything of importance in this state since 2011.

[Grebnaws]

I can't wait to get $600/yr back in my pocket. I chose to contribute an extra amount and become a full fledged member to gain voting rights in the union and so far have been on the losing side of every vote, while the new president laughed and guffawed at my concerns while making the rounds. We don't get to vote for our leadership so what good is being able to vote on a new contract every 4 years? Rescinding my membership will be a pleasure. If they want me back they can drop the leftist rhetoric and quit electing representatives that vote against my personal interests. Simple as that.

[Scout26]

Most of the sources I've seen say that union membership in Wisconsin is down 40% after ACT-10.  If you figure approximately the same numbers nationwide, that will put a serious hurt in the union's coffers and political spending. 

 

[Northwoods]

Most of the sources I've seen say that union membership in Wisconsin is down 40% after ACT-10.  If you figure approximately the same numbers nationwide, that will put a serious hurt in the union's coffers and political spending. 

 

Couldn't happen to a nicer group.

[Scout26]

Elena Kagan wrote in a dissent, this is:

weaponizing the First Amendment, in a way that unleashes judges, now and in the future, to intervene in economic and regulatory policy.” She added, “Speech is everywhere—a part of every human activity (employment, health care, securities trading, you name it). For that reason, almost all economic and regulatory policy affects or touches speech. So the majority’s road runs long.

Which is a good reason why the fed.gov should. butt dot out.

[Firethorn]

I've always felt that worker unions should be treated a bit more like a hiring firm or even one of the old guilds.

To wit:  If the workers decide that they want to organize and be treated as one unit, more or less, they can do so.  You can also chose to fire the union, which means firing all the workers in the union, but oh well.

The potential of losing a substantial part of their work force should keep the businesses honest, it to being a nuclear option.

Unions should understand that the nuclear option exists, and act accordingly.

I believe a lot of the hate for unions in the USA is because the unions in the USA are too powerful, too disruptive.  There's lots of unions in other countries, but they are restrained better.  Ergo, actually beneficial to the business.  For example, in many European countries, they take care of the worker's pensions and medical benefits.  The business doesn't have to worry about it.  Bonus.

[Hawkmoon]

In years past I knew some people who were members (against their will) of unions in and around Philadelphia, and one man who worked for a large-ish construction company that used union workers. Basically, the trade unions around Philadelphia make the Mexican drug cartels look like Mother Theresa by comparison. Construction trade unions around Philadelphia (I was told) don't bother with little things like strikes to get what they want. They pretty much start out with slashed tires, move quickly to kneecappings (literally), and from there it escalates to arson and firebombings.

Basically, your all-around good neighbor types.