FBI: Mexicans chased away US agents after shooting?

[freakazoid]

Never in any trouble because he never got caught by the police he was harrassing, before.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/10/texas.border.patrol.shooting/index.html?eref=rss_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+Top+Stories%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher

"My people have spoken to his family. His dad says he was a straight-A student. His secondary school even sent him on an academic trip because of his good grades," Mayor Jose Reyes Ferriz said.

How far away do you guys think that was from where he fired to where the boy was shot? Looked like some distance.

[HankB]

. . . now that one tape is out i expect the gov to show theirs if it helps

Depends who it helps . . . supporting BP isn't as high a priority as supporting illegal aliens.  

[AZRedhawk44]

How far away do you guys think that was from where he fired to where the boy was shot? Looked like some distance.

60 feet according to your article.

I can chuck a baseball sized rock with enough force to crack a skull from 60 feet.

Remember, Tueller distance is 21 feet.  That assumes your attacker has a knife, and you have a firearm.  Change the attacker to a projectile-based weapon such as a rock, and the defensive distance changes accordingly.  50-60 feet is a very reasonable threat range.  About the length of a typical suburban cookie-cutter back yard fence. 

[makattak]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/10/texas.border.patrol.shooting/index.html?eref=rss_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+Top+Stories%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher
How far away do you guys think that was from where he fired to where the boy was shot? Looked like some distance.

"They're throwing rocks," witnesses screaming in Spanish can be heard in the background of the video as the officer opens fire. "They hit him ... they hit him."

Good thing no one ever died from getting hit by rocks, otherwise that Boder Patrol officer might have been in fear for his life.

I suppose he should have just let the one criminal he caught go since the rest of the criminals were putting up a fight. I mean, that's how we deal with aggressors, now, isn't it? We give them what they want?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

http://www.univision.com/content/videoplayer.jhtml?cid=2432212

meat is between one and 2 mins. shows the distance pretty well . i'm on the fence. if the kid he hit in the head dropped where shot its a bit far if he got hit and ran before dropping then its easier to side with the agent. shame they can't just hold the one kid  up between them and the stone throwers. even bigger shame the kid was hit in mexico

[AJ Dual]

darn shame he wasn't alone in the middle of the desert. and some of the witnesses are problematic.  now that one tape is out i expect the gov to show theirs if it helps

I mean "alone" as in "other BP agents/backup not right there with me to help".

"In the area" is not good enough, and passive bystanders, and the illegals Mexican nationals, and other unknown actors don't count either.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

he had backup  closer than the rock throwers though the guy on the bike was closest to the border. he rode up and cut off the kids retreat. good move. i hope they don't screw him but hes under the microscope. hes pumped up and dealing with multiple threats including the unhandcuffed unsearched kid hes holding with one hand.  very easy to second guess and he had about 1 second to make his call.  damn shame all the way around

[KD5NRH]

I can chuck a baseball sized rock with enough force to crack a skull from 60 feet.

20 yards just isn't that far.  I can throw a golf ball hard enough to meet the Texas requirement for it to be considered "deadly force" at that range.  (Reasonably expected to cause serious bodily injury.)  Accurately enough to hit anyone is another question, but if it does, it can do some significant damage.

[roo_ster]

It all hinges on the border-hoppers throwing rocks.

If they were, BP agent was justified in shooting.

I think it is a shame the BP agent had to shoot someone, but I don't think it s a shame a rock-throwing border-hopper got shot.  If he was throwing rocks, he got what he deserved.  I really don;t care what side of the border he was on.

Speculation Time:
Were the only rock-tossers the ones with the (formerly) walking backstop?  The cell phone video, as ate up as it is, shows that there was at least one other group close to the BP officer.

20 yards just isn't that far.  I can throw a golf ball hard enough to meet the Texas requirement for it to be considered "deadly force" at that range.  (Reasonably expected to cause serious bodily injury.)  Accurately enough to hit anyone is another question, but if it does, it can do some significant damage.

Twenty yards is not far enough to be safe from my rock-chucking skills.

[AZRedhawk44]

http://www.univision.com/content/videoplayer.jhtml?cid=2432212

meat is between one and 2 mins. shows the distance pretty well . i'm on the fence. if the kid he hit in the head dropped where shot its a bit far if he got hit and ran before dropping then its easier to side with the agent. shame they can't just hold the one kid  up between them and the stone throwers. even bigger shame the kid was hit in mexico

The aqueduct is US Territory.  All of it.  Not just the north half of it.  If you look at the Border, the US controls the river/aqueduct areas.

[AJ Dual]

Does anyone wonder what would happen if you threw a rock at a Zeta, on U.S. soil, Mexican Soil, or across the border?

Thought so.

[S. Williamson]

I'm surprised war, or at least "military action," hasn't been taken yet.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

The aqueduct is US Territory.  All of it.  Not just the north half of it.  If you look at the Border, the US controls the river/aqueduct areas.

that would make it unique amongst river borders

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

It all hinges on the border-hoppers throwing rocks.

If they were, BP agent was justified in shooting.

I think it is a shame the BP agent had to shoot someone, but I don't think it s a shame a rock-throwing border-hopper got shot.  If he was throwing rocks, he got what he deserved.  I really don;t care what side of the border he was on.

Speculation Time:
Were the only rock-tossers the ones with the (formerly) walking backstop?  The cell phone video, as ate up as it is, shows that there was at least one other group close to the BP officer.

Twenty yards is not far enough to be safe from my rock-chucking skills.

some of the other vid is better but i don't think there is any question about rocks being thrown  the one girl in the cell phone vid is talking about the stupid one throwing rocks

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

that would make it unique amongst river borders

i just used google earth the border is more or less in the center of the river  in some caes it wanders to one side or the other of the concrete channel   i was unable to find the actual bridge and where it falls right there could be important for the agent

[Ryan in Maine]

I'm surprised war, or at least "military action," hasn't been taken yet.

That's what worried me, actually, and is the part I'm getting confused over. If Mexican soldiers were actually drawing on US Border Patrol agents, even during the subsequent investigation, that's unacceptable to say the least.

It may be small scale, but that is a pretty direct threat from a foreign military.

Can anyone say if it was soldiers, police, or some other authority on the Mexican side? I've heard nothing but conflicting reports.

[Tallpine]

Problems like the one we have with Mexico are ultimately settled by one side or the other "absorbing" the other, on its terms.

Well, if they want so bad to be in the USA, we could just annex mexico 

[longeyes]

From what I can see Mexico has already annexed us.

[sanman]

¡Recepción a México del norte!

[zxcvbob]

I *really* want some Texas, New Mexico, or Arizona sheriff to capture a truckload of Mexican Army troops on our side of the river running interference for smugglers.  Throw them in jail and refuse to release them to Hillary; let it blow up into an international incident.  (Obama would apologize, of course.)

Wishful thinking tho', because I doubt a sheriff would have enough firepower without help from maybe a NG helicopter.

It'll have to be state law enforcement because I suspect the Border Patrol, US Marshals, etc. are under orders not to interfere.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

It'll have to be state law enforcement because I suspect the Border Patrol, US Marshals, etc. are under orders not to interfere.
too many to keep a secret

[sanglant]

sounds to me like it's time to start flying the US flag and celebrating "The Alamo"(just my cute name, you know what i mean.) on May 5th.

[Bigjake]

I don't honestly care for all of the minute little details.  The bottom line is this,  Throw rocks at Border Patrol agents,  expect to get shot.  I don't care if the dead guy wasn't throwing a rock personally.  He should have known better than to play chicken on International Borders, and if anything, his blood is on his ahole buddies' hands.

  Our Border guys have every right in the world to defend themselves against such blatant crap.

They don't respect us, they may as well fear us.

[taurusowner]

I wish there would be some military action.  That's something I would like to participate in.  Not a full invasion of Mexico mind you, just an outburst to show that we still can wipe them out of we want to.  Like a snake striking after being prodded too many times, we need to unleash hell if only for a few days,  and  then have a cease fire just so they know who is boss.

Then build the wall, with landmines.

I think an ultra hard line stance wouldn't even need to last permanently.  Change our border policy to an crosser on foot will be shot, no questions asked, and any vehicles will meet an AT4 or Hellfire, and I bet border traffic would decline to a trickle after only a short while.  So many people cross be cause it's so easy and they know we won't do anything.  If we really start blowing the up without hesitation, I thinkit will have a cumulative effect on all would be crossers.

[Ron]

I wish there would be some military action.  That's something I would like to participate in.  Not a full invasion of Mexico mind you, just an outburst to show that we still can wipe them out of we want to.  Like a snake striking after being prodded too many times, we need to unleash hell if only for a few days,  and  then have a cease fire just so they know who is boss.

Then build the wall, with landmines.

I think an ultra hard line stance wouldn't even need to last permanently.  Change our border policy to an crosser on foot will be shot, no questions asked, and any vehicles will meet an AT4 or Hellfire, and I bet border traffic would decline to a trickle after only a short while.  So many people cross be cause it's so easy and they know we won't do anything.  If we really start blowing the up without hesitation, I thinkit will have a cumulative effect on all would be crossers.

crazy talk (with all due respect)