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Obama: I need to earn troops trust
« on: July 09, 2008, 03:36:19 AM »
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COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo.  Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama knows that to win the vote of current and former military members and their families, he has to prove himself.

Precisely because I have not served in uniform, I am somebody who strongly believes I have to earn the trust of men and women in uniform, Obama said in a July 2 interview with Military Times as he contrasted his lack of service with that of Republican presidential candidate John McCain, a Navy retiree and Vietnam veteran who has years of experience in Congress working on national security issues.

I do not presume that from the day I am sworn in, every single service man or woman suddenly says, This guy knows what he is doing, said Obama, a freshman U.S. senator from Illinois, in his most extensive interview to date on a wide range of military issues.

Earning trust, he said, means listening to advice from military people, including top uniformed leaders, combatant commanders and senior noncommissioned officers and petty officers. It also means standing up for the military on critical issues and keeping promises, Obama said.

The 46-year-old former community organizer and civil rights attorney will formally become the Democratic Partys presidential nominee at the partys August convention in Denver.

Obama said he hopes the military community will see him as a guy looking out for us and not someone trying to score cheap political points.

Military members and their families deserve better pay and benefits, he said, and although money might be hard to find for a generous increase, he supports increasing basic pay to keep up with inflation and private-sector salaries, and he believes housing allowances need to be increased so young service members and their families can afford adequate places to live.

He also wants to spend more to improve veterans health care and reduce the wait for a disability claim to be processed.

I dont know a higher priority than making sure that the men and women who are putting themselves in harms way, day in and day out, are getting decent pay and decent benefits  so that when they return home as veterans, they dont have to wait six months to get benefits that theyve earned, that theyre not winding up homeless on the streets, that theyre being screened for post-traumatic stress disorder, that if a spouse is widowed, the benefits are sufficiently generous, he said. These are just basic requirements of a grateful nation.

Obama said he did not want to be more specific because he did not want to make promises he might not be able to keep. I think we can do a much better job than were doing right now, he said. But, he added, I want to be honest: We are going to be in a tight budget situation. Were not going to be able to do everything all at once.

He also wants an end to stop-loss orders that extend active duty beyond separation or retirement dates, and he wants a deployment schedule that provides more stability and time at home for families.

One way to relieve this stress is to increase the size of the Army and Marine Corps. Obamas plans for a 65,000-person increase in the Army and a 27,000-person increase in the Marine Corps match plans already underway. He said he is not sure about personnel levels for the Navy and Air Force, but I dont anticipate a reduction for those two services.

Troops in Iraq
Pulling U.S. combat forces out of Iraq would free up money for personnel programs and a host of other military needs, Obama said, citing the $10 billion to $12 billion monthly cost of military operations there. He did not mention that funding for Iraq has, so far, been emergency funding on top of the regular peacetime budget that would not automatically be diverted to other military programs.

Getting U.S. combat troops out of Iraq is a key Obama goal, and one where he said he is misunderstood. His campaign materials say Obama would begin withdrawing combat troops from Iraq, one or two brigades a month, as soon as he takes office. But he added in the interview that the start of the withdrawal also depends on the security conditions on the ground.

Obama said he wants to reduce combat troops, leaving forces to continue training Iraqi police and military officers, providing security for U.S. officials and facilities and for counterterrorism operations. Exactly when and how quickly this would happen depends on the situation in the field, he said, acknowledging that military commanders on the ground would play a key role in recommending what steps to take.

Obama said he would not order any precipitous withdrawal of combat forces. Instead, he said, his policy is that we should be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless in getting in.

I have always said that as commander in chief, I would seek the advice and counsel of our generals, Obama said. But, in the end, it is the job of commander in chief to set the strategy.

A strategic factor in the decision to keep forces in Iraq includes, for him, a question about the risk of not having enough combat-ready forces for other operations.

If we have only one battle-ready brigade outside the Iraq rotation to respond to other risks, thats not good strategic planning by the commander in chief, he said. If we have a situation in Afghanistan where we are seeing more and more violence in the eastern portion of Afghanistan, at a time when weve actually increased the forces down there and weve got some of the best battle-tested operations deployed there, and were still seeing increases in violence, what that tells me is that weve got real problems.

Obama said he believes he would be a far better commander in chief than McCain.

I believe that I have a better grasp of where we need to take the country, and how we should use the power of ... not just our military, but all of our power in order to achieve American security, Obama said. I think I have a better sense than he does of where we need to go in the future.

As somebody who has worked on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on critical issues like nuclear proliferation ... as somebody who has traveled widely and grew up traveling around the world, I think I have a clear sense of the nature of both the transnational threats and challenges but also the opportunities that are going to determine our safety and security for the foreseeable future. And thats why I think I can be an effective commander in chief, Obama said.

Accountability in leadership
During the interview, Obama discussed the issue of accountability for military leaders, including times when, he said, he believes the Bush administration has blamed senior officers for things that were not their fault. He contrasted his own personal standards of accountability that he said would apply if he becomes president.

There are times during the course of this war where I felt that the military was blamed for bad planning on the civilian side, and that, I think, is unfortunate, he said.

He acknowledged, however, that sometimes it is important to hold military leaders responsible for their actions.

Obama also spoke of rocking the boat. In what seems certain to be one of his more controversial proposals for the military, Obama said he wants to allow gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military.

Equity and fairness are part of the reason for lifting the ban on acknowledged homosexuals serving in the military, Obama said, but there are practical reasons, too  like getting all hands on deck when the nation needs people in uniform. If we cant field enough Arab linguists, we shouldnt be preventing an Arab linguist from serving his or her country because of what they do in private, he said, referring to the 2006 discharge of about 60 linguists for violating the militarys dont ask, dont tell policy on service by homosexuals.

I want to make sure that we are doing it in a thoughtful and principled way. But I do believe that at a time when we are short-handed, that everybody who is willing to lay down their lives on behalf of the United States and can do so effectively, can perform critical functions, should have the opportunity to do so.

Asked how he would deal with opposition from within the Pentagon, Obama smiled and said: Well, Im a pretty persuasive guy. But he acknowledged that pushing such a legal change through Congress would be more challenging. We have to distinguish whether there are functional barriers to doing this and are people prepared for the political heat.

Another potential boat-rocking issue involves the use of private military companies to do work once performed by uniformed troops. Obama said he would seek to limit military-related work in combat zones that is turned over to private contractors.

There is room for private contractors to work in the mess hall providing basic supplies and doing some logistical work that might have been done in-house in the past, he said. I am troubled by the use of private contractors when it comes to potential armed engagements. I think it puts our troops in harms way.

Obama also said he is troubled by the long-term effect of such a policy. Over time, you are, I believe, eroding the core of our militarys relationship to the nation and how accountability is structured, he said. I think you are privatizing something that is what essentially sets a nation-state apart, which is a monopoly on violence.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/07/military_obama_070708/

Duh!  Of course here is one service member hoping he doesn't get sworn in.

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Re: Obama: I need to earn troops trust
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2008, 03:44:50 AM »
I doubt he'd even salute the troops passing, to be honest.

To a leftist elitist, soldiers are pawns, not people.

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Re: Obama: I need to earn troops trust
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2008, 06:14:48 AM »
I heard the audio of his Army Times (BTW, not a product of hte US Army).

Dude is sand-poundingly ignorant on the .mil issues.
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Re: Obama: I need to earn troops trust
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2008, 06:35:31 AM »
The Presidency is not an apprentice position.

You're supposed to have mastered the basics before you apply.
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Re: Obama: I need to earn troops trust
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2008, 06:44:52 AM »
Dude is sand-poundingly ignorant on the .mil issues.

That, coupled with his fluff mantra of hope, change, and little bunny rabbits makes me wonder if as the President he ever would have the confidence of the military.
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Re: Obama: I need to earn troops trust
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2008, 06:47:29 AM »
Obama thinks the military is about global social work or maybe a community organizing tool.  He doesn't get it; he will never get it.  And the military knows it.
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Re: Obama: I need to earn troops trust
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2008, 09:35:16 AM »
I thinbk he could win the admiration of the troops real easy, all he ahs to do is go to Iraq and jump on an IED thus saving a soldier or two.
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Re: Obama: I need to earn troops trust
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2008, 09:49:25 AM »
One of the troops here, no I don't trust him, and there isn't much he could possibly do to change that.  He's a socialist.

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Re: Obama: I need to earn troops trust
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2008, 03:25:17 PM »
He's got a long row to hoe before he ever gets this retired troop's trust. 
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Re: Obama: I need to earn troops trust
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2008, 03:42:29 PM »
Dude is sand-poundingly ignorant on the .mil issues.

You don't say.   shocked
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Re: Obama: I need to earn troops trust
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2008, 05:08:10 PM »
I thinbk he could win the admiration of the troops real easy, all he ahs to do is go to Iraq and jump on an IED thus saving a soldier or two.

We have a winner....

That rotten socialist could be the first US president the screws the pooch so hard the .Mil actually ignores him.

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Re: Obama: I need to earn troops trust
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2008, 08:36:27 PM »
At least he isn't talking about cutting troop strength like Bill Clinton did.  He is actually is talking about increasing troop strength and also getting us more money for BAH and such.  But I still am not voting for him.
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Re: Obama: I need to earn troops trust
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2008, 06:05:06 AM »
At least he isn't talking about cutting troop strength like Bill Clinton did.  He is actually is talking about increasing troop strength and also getting us more money for BAH and such.  But I still am not voting for him.

I would expect those increases to be sacrificed for some social program.
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Re: Obama: I need to earn troops trust
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2008, 06:44:05 AM »
At least he isn't talking about cutting troop strength like Bill Clinton did.  He is actually is talking about increasing troop strength and also getting us more money for BAH and such.  But I still am not voting for him.

Troops, to him, are people who help build mosques and canals and stuff for other people. They don't need those icky guns.

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Re: Obama: I need to earn troops trust
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2008, 06:45:28 AM »
At least he isn't talking about cutting troop strength like Bill Clinton did.  He is actually is talking about increasing troop strength and also getting us more money for BAH and such.  But I still am not voting for him.

I would expect those increases to be sacrificed for some social program.

Well of course he will raise taxes to help pay for it.  Probably even call for BAH and Separate Rations to be taxed.
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Re: Obama: I need to earn troops trust
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2008, 06:57:54 AM »
Obama has said, expressly, in a speech that his goal is to neuter the U.S. defense capability.  Neuter is my word but that was the thrust of it.  His is a policy of gradualist disarmament, including but not limited to the elimination of all new weapons programs and the destruction of our nuclear capability. 

He will turn the U.S. military into a bucket brigade to fight fires and stack sandbags, probably in Africa.
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« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2008, 02:10:35 PM »
longeyes, do you know where I can see or hear that speech? 
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« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2008, 05:17:06 PM »
I don't, sorry, but I heard it verbatim just this morning on either Prager or Medved.  Maybe search for Obama + no new weapons programs?  Maybe I can find it.
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Re: Obama: I need to earn troops trust
« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2008, 04:09:39 PM »
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Obama said he hopes the military community will see him as a guy looking out for us and not someone trying to score cheap political points.

Now why would they think that?  grin

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Obama said he did not want to be more specific because he did not want to make promises he might not be able to keep.


Or change 10 minutes later.

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As somebody who has worked on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on critical issues like nuclear proliferation ...


All those long hard weeks he spent in the Senate before hitting the campaign trail- a man of experience.



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Re: Obama: I need to earn troops trust
« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2008, 04:04:05 AM »
If Obama is true to his "ideals" we can expect his vision of the military to be, at best, one of global social workers righting historical injustice and aiding in natural catastrophes and, at worst, a force to suppress "reactionary" domestic political dissent.  I see no reason to think Obama views the military in its traditional role.  That is one more thing he wants to "change."
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« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2008, 04:08:25 AM »
I think China will start making more overt moves once Obama is president.  It will be a nice 4 year window for them to posture and set up without fear of American retaliation.  Plan on them testing the waters in regards to helping North Korea with missile and nuclear tech, as well as more "take back Taiwan" talk.

Like the US or not, fear of us is keeping a lot of bad people and bad governments from doing even worse things.  An emasculated US will not bode well for the defenseless people in the world.

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Re: Obama: I need to earn troops trust
« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2008, 06:34:54 AM »
Anyone watching his foriegn policy speech thats on Fox now?  He will be pulling all US troops out of Iraq in eighteen months... except for the US force he will be keeping in Iraq in order to conduct specific missions.  This flipflop was timed at around a minute. 

Is that a record?
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