Post by: uvakat on March 23, 2005, 01:30:47 PM
Post by: SpookyPistolero on March 23, 2005, 01:59:18 PM
I have gone through similar experiences. People can be very fickle about things that we might take most seriously. This seems to accompany youth most often, probably because some people confuse emotions with real changes in heart, like loving someone (wanting what is best for them always). He also may not have the discipline of heart not to resist some fears of commitment he might have, instead of talking through them with you.
My mom always used to say 'this too shall pass,' and I never knew how good the advice was until I was knee deep in woes. Make sure that you take care of yourself first. Realize that he is the one with the issues to work out, they are his problems. If he is vastly inconsiderate or hurtful, then at least you found out sooner rather than later. Love yourself, and be your own person not dependent on another for your happiness.
I hope some of this is relevant to your situation and I hope it's not insulting. I have very few 'answers' to life's questions, just some observations from personal experiences. It sucks trusting someone who betrays that. I usually take relationships very slowly for just this reason, and rarely put too much of myself 'on the line' until I know the nature of a person well.
Good luck, take care of yourself.
-Spooky
Post by: grampster on March 23, 2005, 02:13:22 PM
You gotta talk to somebody. Why not friends? We be friends, no?
The beautiful thing about time is that it passes. This too will pass. Hard to grasp right now... or be able to feature. It will, though. I am old and been through a lot of the same and others even worse.
At some point you will stumble across the "one" and he will worship the ground you walk on and that will never change, or maybe it will. That is also the beauty and pain of life. ..nothing is certain. Think about it? Would you want the boredom of always knowing a thing?
I think not, kat.
Hang in and do something indulgent. I got a 9000S I'll sell ya for a good price. heh. Through in some Fed hydra shok too.
Post by: uvakat on March 23, 2005, 02:17:31 PM
Post by: grampster on March 23, 2005, 03:06:22 PM
Before I married swmbo 38 years ago, I backed out of several relationships and I was a s**t for doing so. I probably gave some women serious reason to think I was moving forward when I really had no concept of that. Maybe he doesn't grasp the depth of your feelings for him. Maybe he does and it scares him because men take on the burden of provider and they think they are maybe losing their freedom. (silly boys)
You need to be rational here and not let your heart run the project. I know it's difficult, but you need to try and figure what's going on inside of his head and heart. I can't tell you how to do that, except to offer to you that you need to be aware that you need to be careful and thoughtful.
I think what you need not do is resort to ultimatums or get weepy with him. Ultimatum puts him in a corner and weepy makes him embarrassed. Neigher are a good thing for a relationship.
At some point you may find out it was the best thing in the world that he backed off. You learned something, maybe, that is important about his character.
Chin up kiddo.
grampster
Post by: spacemanspiff on March 23, 2005, 03:18:36 PM
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And why is it I feel pathetic that I have to go to a web forum to ask these questions?
because we rule! 
before long you'll start thinking that all men are dogs. truly, that gives us men far too much credit.
dogs are loyal to their master.
Post by: uvakat on March 23, 2005, 03:19:46 PM
Post by: jamz on March 23, 2005, 03:22:30 PM
Love, James
*Men too.
Post by: uvakat on March 23, 2005, 03:23:35 PM
Post by: Lennyjoe on March 23, 2005, 03:49:35 PM
Hope everything works out for you.
Post by: uvakat on March 23, 2005, 03:50:49 PM
Post by: grampster on March 23, 2005, 03:54:24 PM
Post by: SpookyPistolero on March 23, 2005, 03:58:08 PM
Post by: uvakat on March 23, 2005, 04:00:18 PM
Post by: spacemanspiff on March 23, 2005, 04:34:37 PM
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beer, guns, breasts, cars.
well since i stopped drinking i dont think much about beer.and since i havent had a car in like 7 years, i dont think much about cars.
now i can focus on whats really important. the guns i'll never afford to own and the breasts attached to chicks i'll never be suave enough to swoon.
Post by: grampster on March 23, 2005, 05:09:58 PM
You gots WA. He be what? 38D?
Post by: Phantom Warrior on March 23, 2005, 05:12:33 PM
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Uhh, Spiff,
You gots WA. He be what? 38D?
That ain't right...
You gots WA. He be what? 38D?
Post by: Winston Smith on March 23, 2005, 05:18:36 PM
Time = money
women = (time x money); or women= evil^2
I was just on the other side of that situation you are speaking of uvakat, and if he is anything like me, he is desperately hurting too. He feels like a dirtbag, hates himself and his changing feelings.
What do I know, anyway?
"Lord, give us love in the time that we have..."
-Iron and Wine
Post by: spacemanspiff on March 23, 2005, 11:34:13 PM
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You gots WA. He be what? 38D?
more like a 42a. they dont call WA "floppy" for no reason, ya dig?but since he shaved his head, it just doesnt work for me anymore. i used to be able to squint and almost believe he was a really ugly old chick, but now he just looks like a really old and overweight sade.
but have no fear! my prag is running around here somewhere. ooohhhhh carebear???
Post by: matt1911 on March 24, 2005, 01:59:50 AM
You guys have ruined more keyboards due to "folgers nasal spray" than i care to count! Thanks for the mental image,i'm sure that'll be with me all day!
Matt
Post by: charby on March 24, 2005, 04:55:18 AM
Its simple: stupid people don't follow their heart, you don't want that person around. You'll find a nice fellow that loves you and follows his heart and all will be right in the world. I'm in the same boat as you, I think so is another fellow on here, now if I can only find one of those one in three females* in central Iowa that owns a few pistolas. Don't feel stupid for going on a web forum, its good to ask and vent and be relatively unknown.
Charby
*Gallup polls said that one in three females owns a firearm.
Post by: Ktulu on March 24, 2005, 05:59:38 AM
Everybody wants it.
Most people don't know when they've got it.
A lot of people think they have it and don't.
Many people, for many reasons, lie to themselves and others about having it.
Several have it but constantly question its validity.
Few know they have it and have absolutely no doubt about it.
Fewer still never had it and never will.
I would guess that your guy is either like a lot of people or one of the many or confused. Find out which one.
Enough of this sappy talk. Boobs, guns, ROCK AND ROLL!
Post by: Indy7373 on March 24, 2005, 06:51:11 AM
Just remember, On the best day, on the worst day, the sun finally sets. As they say, time heals.
Post by: Sean Smith on March 24, 2005, 06:59:07 AM
Quote from: uvakat
can hurt you so badly? How is it somebody can tell you they love you and want a life with you and then the next morning tell you that he doesn't know about there being an us anymore? And why is it I feel pathetic that I have to go to a web forum to ask these questions?
First, uvakat, I don't think some of the posters have figured out your gender. Some of us ain't close readers, ya know. 
Second, on the subject, I dunno. Many people talk, but few really communicate. A trite answer, but often too true. Also, people often know that a relationship won't work, but don't want to admit it to themselves... sometimes people are more surprised than they should be.
Post by: uvakat on March 24, 2005, 09:05:41 AM
Post by: spacemanspiff on March 24, 2005, 09:20:18 AM
no, seriously guys, it was MY choice!
dude, if ya'll dont stop laughing at me i swear to god!!!!
Post by: Strings on March 26, 2005, 02:08:07 PM
'bout as far as we can throw a female elephant.....
by the left testicle...
Kat: we men are pigs. You just have to find one that can pretend better than the rest of us, is all...
Post by: Risasi on March 26, 2005, 02:32:46 PM
Just get some guns and go to the range.
Post by: Cyanide_357 on March 26, 2005, 03:18:09 PM
Sorry to hear about your troubles... though.. things odly enough work themselves out. Whats suppose to be, will come to be.
Also, sorry to steal the flame, but..
Charby,
Now I know I'm not stupid (though I never thought I was),.. you said:
"Its simple: stupid people don't follow their heart"... When I started the proccess of breaking my last relationship (although, my first intention was to get some stuff straightened out so it would work better)... I did it simply because some crap was pissing me off (I tend to let crap build inside instead of releasing it -- curse of the intravert). When I severed the last string of the relationship.. it was truely an uplifting experience... no boo hoo, just smiles. Turns out some of my other suspicions seem to be correct.
Lesson learned... do what you feel is right, what your gut/heart/mind says. Your 'spidey' sense if you will.
Then again (no offense) us men really only need who/what/when/where/why. We process on alot less information.. which is both good and bad... as our calculations aren't as fine tuned as womens.
Best of luck to you,
Cyanide
Post by: uvakat on March 26, 2005, 04:03:14 PM
Post by: RevDisk on March 26, 2005, 04:15:53 PM
Quote from: uvakat
Why is it the person you love the most can hurt you so badly? How is it somebody can tell you they love you and want a life with you and then the next morning tell you that he doesn't know about there being an us anymore? And why is it I feel pathetic that I have to go to a web forum to ask these questions?
There's an old saying, "You can only be betrayed by those you trust." Likewise, to be burned by love means you must care about the person. People break up for many reasons. Some good, some bad. A general fear of commitment, fear of being burned by love, differing goals in life, etc.A while ago, I did exactly what your significant other did. I broke up with a very nice girl. I cared about her, very deeply. But, I knew our paths were not heading the same direction. She needed to do her thing, I had to do my thing. Eventually, it would not have worked. One of us would have had to make a sacrifice that was too high. I have no doubt that she was hurt by what I did, but I know she likely has long since recovered. I hope she finds someone with whom things will work out.
Your ex may have had good intentions, or maybe he was just being an idiot. Us guys typically are.
Hope things work out for you. Spend some more time at the range, good therapy.
Post by: Guest on March 27, 2005, 02:29:11 PM
Hell if I know, some great replies so far. You have never seen me type the "L" word and you won't unless it happens to be something I have to type for School, or work related..."Spot likes his chew toy" or somesuch.
Bad things happens to Good Folks. BTDT
Doing the right things don't mean you won't get screwed. I still do the right things, I choose my choices best can.
People that have the same last name as I , or have, and supposed "friends". I'd rather keep my enemies closer - there is much truth in doing this. At least the enemy is honest about intentions -and that itself gains some respect from me.
I have some true friends mind you, very special folks.
I'm also the guy that gained permission to ask the "Pros" how they bypassed my alarm system when I found out later they had been caught elswhere at a later date. I did the same with the "Pros" that kidnapped a guy , rode him around in his truck for hours , with his family held hostage, forced him to open his safe. He admitted I was the original target. I had to know why I was not that night.
I "respect" these folks, even tho my enemies. At least they were honest about intentions...can't say that about some that in Society's eyes that are supposed to be to me.
Post by: Holly76201 on March 27, 2005, 07:03:52 PM
I'm sending you a big, warm,reassuring hug. And as to your original question of Why you are hurting? I don't know. But I do know that we can only feel joy to the extent that we have felt pain. From my older {50} perspective, this too will pass. I thought both my 1st and 2nd husbands were the loves of my life. Boy was I wrong! Those treacherous dogs! But, but, don't lose hope. My Dearly Beloved is a faithful, true, loving husband. And I have a 23 y.o. son who's a cutie and available. He likes shooting, but doesn't have any guns of his own, right now. Do you like them tall? {6'7"}and skinny {180 #}?
Spiffy... I'd give you a hug, but you'd just see it as a way to feel my busom. ;<)
Post by: Risasi on March 28, 2005, 04:09:15 AM
Quote from: Holly76201
Spiffy... I'd give you a hug, but you'd just see it as a way to feel my busom. ;<)
Oh my, that's just wrong on SO many levels. Especially when you consider The Spaceman isn't all that tall...(Hey join the crowd Spiff)
[EDIT] That reminded me of a Leave it to Beaver episode. Wally takes some girl half a head taller than him to the prom or something.
Post by: charby on March 28, 2005, 04:40:09 AM
Quote from: uvakat
Charby, try to find a guy who isn't intimidated by a strong willed female...
*raises hand*
Post by: spacemanspiff on March 28, 2005, 07:17:08 AM
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Spiffy... I'd give you a hug, but you'd just see it as a way to feel my busom. ;<)
dang! its like the dames got all my moves figured out.guess i'll have to get my loving the way god intended: exotic dancers.
Post by: charby on March 28, 2005, 07:19:08 AM
Quote from: spacemanspiff
guess i'll have to get my loving the way god intended: exotic dancers.
One dollar at a time... Charby
Post by: Sean Smith on March 28, 2005, 09:16:06 AM
Quote from: uvakat
Thanks you guys... and Cyanide, you are right things will prob work out for the best no matter what direction we take... Charby, try to find a guy who isn't intimidated by a strong willed female... i think finding a girl in your state who owns a gun is more likely...
Ignore all my advice, I just got dumped. 
Post by: uvakat on March 28, 2005, 09:17:30 AM
Quote from: Sean Smith
Ignore all my advice, I just got dumped.
Ouch what happened?
Post by: Guest on March 28, 2005, 09:52:58 AM
Sorry to hear about that.
Me, I think I have finally figured out the secret about Men and Women - There ain't one. *smirk*
So I am gonna accept that as it may be.
Still think a good dog, a shotgun, P/U Truck , and quail to tend to is best for me.
Dogs have unconditional emotions, they forgive and move on. Dogs don't care if the toliet seat is up or down - they can get a drink either way. Dogs are great for security around the home, be if for BGs or making one feel wanted, accepted for what they are - not what they are supposed to be.
Besides, they don't arrest the driver if the dog is a passenger and not wearing a seat belt. Nor do they if the dog is in the bed of the truck.
One's liable to get a ticket or admitted if a SO is hanging their head out the passenger window to get the wind in their face, drooling all over the side of the truck , and barking at folks. *grin*
Post by: SpookyPistolero on March 28, 2005, 11:25:07 AM
Overall, it would definitely take a special person to be a relationship with me I think. These run-o-the-mill people just aint cuttin it.
It's so hard to deal with people who are wholly (sp?) selfish. Their primary thoughts are always about themselves, and even when they are being 'nice and considerate', it's really them thinking they can improve themselves in the rlationship by playing that role. They don't actually care, they just know theyre supposed to reciprocate at least a little since theyre the ones whining and complaining the most.
Rant off, probably..
Post by: uvakat on March 28, 2005, 05:25:59 PM
Post by: SpookyPistolero on March 28, 2005, 05:31:22 PM
Very sorry to hear about that. I hope that you're doing alright despite dealing with an idiot. You should take a lot of pleasure and comfort in knowing that the relationship was dissolved (without you having to do any of the work ) as soon as you realized he was in fact a jerk. Now you don't have to waste more time only to find that out much later.
Hit up the range with a brick of .22. Works for me anyway!
Take care!
Post by: uvakat on March 28, 2005, 06:01:14 PM
Post by: jamz on March 29, 2005, 02:36:04 AM
Let me change my comment to Men are Pure, Concentrated Evil. Selfish too.
In all seriousness, it almost sounds like he's either being just plain mean, or he doesn't know what he wants. If he doesn't know, it probably isn't Meant To Be.
Love, James
Although they still are, along with men
Post by: spacemanspiff on March 29, 2005, 07:41:10 AM
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I thought you guys were logical?
well technically its only us straight guys that are. any chance your ex was a little light in the loafers?
Post by: Gus Dddysgrl on March 29, 2005, 07:47:17 AM
Also the ones we love the most are the ones who know how to best hurt us. After we've opened ourselves up and shared alot of deep things we have the power to love the most and to hurt the most.
Sorry you had to learn the hard way, but it happens to the best of us. Go out and shoot some, then we'll see how you feel. Hopefully the next one you'll keep longer and be wiser about picking too. I know after my worst break-up I made sure I had a good one before I kept him.
Guys you see why we play games. It's to make sure you're a good one and that you're worth it. If we just let you have what you wanted and when you wanted, we'd get hurt like uvakat.
Just my added advice. Sorry no funny comments about spiff or WA.
Gus
Post by: spacemanspiff on March 29, 2005, 08:09:22 AM
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Guys you see why we play games. It's to make sure you're a good one and that you're worth it. If we just let you have what you wanted and when you wanted, we'd get hurt like uvakat.
well if you distrust all men, dont be surprised when men reciprocate. i have lost count of all the women i have met that have expressed nothing but greed and how they would date any man if he had enough money to spend on them. sorry, but if all that is out there for us men are long-term-relationship-prostitutes, and short-term-relationship-prostitutes, i'd be more inclined to go for the strp. and you should also realize that those 'games' are more detrimental as they drive off the mature responsible men that have no patience for such trivial acts.
Post by: charby on March 29, 2005, 08:20:39 AM
Charby
Post by: Sean Smith on March 29, 2005, 08:26:33 AM
Quote from: Gus Dddysgrl
Guys you see why we play games. It's to make sure you're a good one and that you're worth it. If we just let you have what you wanted and when you wanted, we'd get hurt like uvakat.
There is a difference between being circumspect about a relationship, and playing games with the other person. An extremely large one. One that points to basic human decency, or a lack thereof, for one thing. It is painful enough when things don't work out, and everyone involved at least makes a decent effort at being up-front and considerate. This "ooh, let me create some crisis/fake a reason for them to be jealous so I can see how he/she handles it!" crap is moronic, childish, and fundamentally mean-spirited as hell.
EDITED TO ADD: That may not be what you mean, but that is the kind of stuff I most hear about when it comes to "relationship games."
Post by: charby on March 29, 2005, 08:32:18 AM
Quote from: spacemanspiff
I have lost count of all the women i have met that have expressed nothing but greed and how they would date any man if he had enough money to spend on them. sorry, but if all that is out there for us men are long-term-relationship-prostitutes, and short-term-relationship-prostitutes, i'd be more inclined to go for the strp.
Spiffy-There are some goods one out there, I learned the hard way through a few gold digging female dogs that the girl that likes to do the cheap and fun stuff is the best. Any girlie up for frozen pizza, PBR and a rental movie is okay by me.
I went on a date this weekend with a fun girl that wants me to take her shooting, camping and fishing. Too bad we live 140 miles apart, but I might try this one out. But the bad news is she doesn't own a firearm
might have to change that.Charby
Post by: benEzra on March 31, 2005, 02:34:35 PM
That's my take on it, anyway.
Post by: Gus Dddysgrl on April 01, 2005, 06:40:19 AM
The games I'm talking about are putting "stuff" off to make sure that it's worth it to be with that guy. However if we turn down some requests we lose the guy. Therefore we still have to act like we're interested. Our turndowns may seem like a rejection, but they aren't. I guess what I'm saying is girls have to show interest, without seeming like they are ready to do anything for the guy. If everyone were totally honest with what they wanted there would be a lot less broken hearts.
I really don't like the mind games and all that. Maybe that's why many of my relationships didn't last long (till the last one.
) I would be too upfront and honest, and the guys I was with didn't like that. I'm so glad I'm not in the dating game anymore. Sorry for those of you who are. Hope things work out for y'all.
Gus
Post by: spacemanspiff on April 01, 2005, 06:58:21 AM
[cells divide!]
Post by: TMM on April 01, 2005, 12:39:34 PM
Post by: Guest on April 01, 2005, 04:03:35 PM
Sorry about the boy Uvacat. If its any consolation, in six months, you'll probably think of him as "old whatsisname."
Some advice from an obsessively single chica:
Rule one: Don't date men who tell you they are nice guys. Any man who tells you he is a nice guy can immediately be written off as an ahole. There are nice guys out there, but they don't wear signs. Self-described nice guys are typically self-centered whiners. They're right. No one wants to date them.
Rule two: Ditto anyone who tells you that women only want to date jerks. The thing that they usually miss in this equation was the if women only wanted to date aholes, they themselves would probably be overwhelmed with dates. Review rule one.
Look for a sense of humor. Trust me, in interactions between human beings, it's one trait that actually helps.
Post by: spacemanspiff on April 01, 2005, 06:52:23 PM
oh yeah, i also divulge another detail that most men lie about: two inches.
either i'll wow you with my honesty or my modesty, whatever works.
Post by: Guest on April 02, 2005, 02:09:00 AM
Honesty is good.
Post by: one45auto on April 02, 2005, 02:40:12 AM
It isn't only men, believe me. I once had a woman make passionate love to me on a Friday, tell me how much she loved me (wanted to have kids and all that, too) and couldn't wait to see me again on Saturday, but then turn as cold as ice on Sunday. Monday she said she needed to think about some things, Tuesday she acted indifferent, Wednesday she denied it when I remarked that she was distancing herself, then Thursday she sent me a "Dear John" e-mail. Can you believe it? I mean come on, if you're going to rip someone's freakin' heart out at least have the decency to do it in person or over the telephone. The strange part was that this was all done without there ever having being an argument, problem, or cross word passed between us! It was like the Titanic, smooth sailing right up until the unseen iceberg. Oh, but she swore up and down that she'd meant every word she'd said about her feelings for me. It was just that she'd been "overwhelmed" and didn't feel the same anymore.
Yeah, right. In less than a week she was sleeping with her new beau, only to throw him over for someone else a month after that, and so on. As a matter of fact she's still on the prowl for fresh victims....
Women.......these days whenever I'm in the mood I either rent em' or borrow them from someone else for awhile. To heck with that relationship crap.
Post by: Guest on April 02, 2005, 03:16:51 AM
Next thing you know, they'll be offering flipping coupons for 'em in the Sunday paper.
Post by: uvakat on April 02, 2005, 05:05:15 AM
Quote from: one45auto
The strange part was that this was all done without there ever having being an argument, problem, or cross word passed between us! It was like the Titanic, smooth sailing right up until the unseen iceberg. Oh, but she swore up and down that she'd meant every word she'd said about her feelings for me. It was just that she'd been "overwhelmed" and didn't feel the same anymore.
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I'm sorry one45auto. It was like that with me, months of smooth sailing and all of a sudden my life was turned upside down. I ended up being the one to break up with him, now he wants back. He thinks we can get to the point before the last 3 weeks. I swear you guys are enough to fustrate me. I think I'm probably going to stay single for a nice long time and go for the rent or borrow a guy when I need one :-P
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Post by: one45auto on April 02, 2005, 10:15:04 AM
Quote from: uvakat
I swear you guys are enough to fustrate me. I think I'm probably going to stay single for a nice long time and go for the rent or borrow a guy when I need one :-P
Why not? It works for me. ;-)Quote from: barbara
Rule two: Ditto anyone who tells you that women only want to date jerks. The thing that they usually miss in this equation was the if women only wanted to date aholes, they themselves would probably be overwhelmed with dates. Review rule one.
One problem with that theory is that I've had numerous female friends - women I wasn't romantically involved with, tell me flat out that women prefer "bad boys" and thus tend to fall for jerks. Bear in mind that those statements not only came from women, but were unsolicted and volunteered without my having asked. According to them, nice guys are "boring" and "predictable" and thus valued more as friends - which, if we were to take a poll, is probably how most "nice" men on this board have ended up. This is precisely why I cringe whenever a woman uses that term to describe me. "Cute" is good, but the minute a date says you're "nice" you'd better ask the waiter for the check and cut your losses. :-P
Post by: Guest on April 03, 2005, 01:38:50 AM
Post by: horge on April 03, 2005, 01:59:48 PM
AFAICT...
Romantic love involves an all-consuming dependency on each other.
Lasting love is in large part about mutual trust, which empowers the same mutual dependency.
It's a debilitating bliss, to be sure., but a liberating, exhilarating one beyond price.
In love, as in faith, there is a certain strength in surrender...
for both men and women.
A woman can place ultimate priority on her strong-willed independence,
and then hope for a man she can dominate and ultimately lose respect for.
A man place a priority on getting sex, and hope for women (plural!)
he can objectify, degrade, and abuse to inflame his frustration.
In a successful relationship there's plenty of empowerment and strength,
and tons of increasingly breath-taking sex, even after many, many years.
Without fear of mutual dependency, two really do become one.
A self-assured, independent person isn't afraid to take a backseat to the person they love.
I can attest that this is can (again) be debilitating, in a comical way, for example
the matter of deciding on a restaurant:
(You decide/ No, you decide/ No, please, I want you to choose what you like/ argh, haha/ etc..)
It all ends up in a warm curling-up together ANYWAY, so maybe the particular food doesn't matter,
no?
h
Post by: Phantom Warrior on April 03, 2005, 05:22:40 PM
Quote from: one45auto
One problem with that theory is that I've had numerous female friends - women I wasn't romantically involved with, tell me flat out that women prefer "bad boys" and thus tend to fall for jerks. Bear in mind that those statements not only came from women, but were unsolicted and volunteered without my having asked. According to them, nice guys are "boring" and "predictable" and thus valued more as friends - which, if we were to take a poll, is probably how most "nice" men on this board have ended up. This is precisely why I cringe whenever a woman uses that term to describe me. "Cute" is good, but the minute a date says you're "nice" you'd better ask the waiter for the check and cut your losses. :-P
Quote from: Barbara
I've heard a number of women on this board tell you differently. We hear what we want to hear.
For what it's worth, the friend from high school who has dated (or made out with) almost every single girl I knew was also one of the biggest jerks. He routinely ignored them or treated them like crap. On the other hand, I've been single for the last five years (to the day today, actually). And not particularly by choice either. And I do get described as a "nice guy" by a lot of people. I know women always say they want a nice guy, but here we are. Not that it matters that much. I'm joining the Army in three months, so the heck with it.horge,
Nothing particular to quote. Because EVERYTHING you said was well said. Thanks for sharing.