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'In God We Trust' moving to face of $1 coins
« on: December 28, 2007, 03:15:23 PM »
'In God We Trust' moving to face of $1 coins
New law orders 'hidden' edge motto put in prominent place
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59403


By Bob Unruh

The words "In God We Trust" have been placed in prominent display on U.S. coinage since 1864, until a new $1 coin series honoring U.S. presidents was introduced at the beginning of 2007, when the motto was concealed on the edge. But no more.

Congress has approved a consolidated spending bill, and President Bush has signed it into law, that includes a provision for the motto to be placed on either the front or back of new coins in the series.


The U.S. Mint placed the "In God We Trust" motto on the edge of the $1 presidential coins, not on the face, triggering an outcry from Americans


WND broke the story earlier when the coins were announced, showing how the acknowledgment to God was hidden on the coins' edges.

Now a report from Coin News confirms that the new provision was signed into law on Dec. 26, and the U.S. Mint has been instructed to begin placing the motto in a prominent location on the coins "as soon as is practicable."

Whether the change will affect the series of coins already on track for 2008 or not remains to be seen. The Mint has announced the James Monroe dollar coin will be issued on Feb. 14, the John Quincy Adams coin on May 15, Andrew Jackson on Aug. 14 and Martin Van Buren on Nov. 13.

"The Mint is launching the 2008 dollar coins using their news contacts and presence to push the story while silently telling everyone, apparently, that the motto relocation will not go into [effect] until at least 2009," according to the Coin News report.

Already in circulation from the 2007 release schedule are coins honoring George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and James Madison. Mint officials say they produced more than 768 million of those coins.

The Mint explained when the coins were introduced that it moved the motto from the face of the coins to the thin edge in order to allow for larger portraits of the presidents on the face and the Statue of Liberty on the reverse.

But the public outcry over the "disappearance" of "In God We Trust" raised concerns in Congress, and a plan introduced by Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., and others made its way into the consolidated spending plan and was approved.

The Mint described the change as an "edge-incused inscription" on the coins that otherwise are the same size, weight and metal composition as the Sacagawea Golden Dollar.

There also arose issues with the edge inscriptions when some coins were released without them, creating "error" coins sought by collectors. Conservatives publicly expressed concern the move to the edge was just the first step in removing the motto from currency entirely.

It was just too much for Congress.

"Since the colonial beginnings of the United States, citizens of this nation have officially acknowledged their dependence on God," said Brownback in a news statement reported by Baptist Press. "It is important that our national motto, 'In God We Trust,' is prominently displayed on all of our currency. We should not relegate our heritage to the side."

The plan was proposed separately, but eventually was included as part of the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2008, approved by Congress and signed into law on Dec. 26 by President Bush.

The change "shall be put into effect by the Secretary of the Treasury as soon as is practicable after the date of enactment of this Act," Congress instructed.

The U.S. Treasury Department said the motto first was put on U.S. coins during the increased awareness of the nation's religious heritage during the Civil War. "Secretary of the Treasury Salmon P. Chase received many appeals from devout persons throughout the country, urging that the United States recognize the Deity on United States coins," the agency's website says.

One such comment was dispatched by M.R. Watkinson, a Ridleyville, Pa., minister in November 1861. "You are probably a Christian," he wrote. "What if our Republican were not shattered beyond reconstruction? Would not the antiquaries of succeeding centuries rightly reason from our past that we were a heathen nation?"

"No nation can be strong except in the strength of God, or safe except in His defense," Chase noted. "The trust of our people in God should be declared on our national coins."

Two years later, Chase approved, "In God We Trust," as the motto, which then appeared on 1864 coins of the two-cent denomination.

A self-proclaimed atheist, Michael Newdow, in 2005 challenged in court the inclusion of the motto, and appealed when a federal judge ruled against him. Those arguments recently were heard before an appeals court, but no decision has been delivered yet.

The new law specifically expresses the intent of Congress "to require the inscription 'In God We Trust' to appear on a face of the $1 coins honoring each of the Presidents of the United States."

The bill also creates six new quarters to be released during 2009, after completion of the 50-coin series honoring states of the union, and they will recognize the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa, the United States Virgin Islands and the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands.

The presidential coin series is scheduled to be released four per year, Each president will appear on only one coin, except for Grover Cleveland, who will be on two because he was the only president to serve non-consecutive terms.

To be depicted on a coin, a president must have been dead for at least two years, so the conclusion of the series remains uncertain.

"In God We Trust" became the national motto by an act of Congress in 1956 and officially superseded "E Pluribus Unum," Latin for "Out of Many, One."

The most common place where the motto is observed in daily life is on U.S. currency and coinage. It wasn't until 1957 that the motto was permanently adopted for use on U.S. money.



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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2007, 03:44:09 PM »
In God We Trust

all others pay cash

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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2007, 04:13:47 PM »
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It was just too much for Congress.
Um, Congress had to pass this law, didn't they?
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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2007, 05:12:06 PM »
I would much rather have congress debating inane issues like this and doing things like declaring next week something like "National Buttermilk Enema Week", then goofing around with our rights and liberty by passing stupid laws and creating more socialistic programs.....
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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2007, 02:15:07 AM »
I would rather they debate real issues than waste time and money on things like this.

I do object to this as I am an aethist and I dont believe a God exists.  Why not just take it out and leave it be.  I would not object if it read:
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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2007, 02:21:54 AM »
The U.S. Mint placed the "In God We Trust" motto on the edge of the $1 presidential coins, not on the face, triggering an outcry from pedantic twits with too much time on their hands.

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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2007, 10:50:03 PM »

Ah yes, our national motto.  Prior to 1956, we just had to make due with E Pluribus Unum.  Of course, I suppose it is better than "Gott mit uns!"


Personally, I'm more partial to the unofficial Finnish motto of yore.  "Haakaa paalle!"
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2007, 04:15:15 AM »
It is amusingly ironic that a Democratic congress would pass such a bill. That's like a Soviet coin saying "liberty for all" or "in capitalism we trust".

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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2007, 05:28:12 AM »
Coined higher denominations are a bad idea. You just end up with 10lbs of metal in your pocket. I know from experience with the Euro (in Austria) that you get pretty weighed down with change when you do eventually try to break a higher bill.

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Personally, I'm more partial to the unofficial Finnish motto of yore.  "Haakaa paalle!"

"Hack them down" probably wouldnt be passed by Congress, even if it is amusing. Smiley

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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2007, 06:21:43 AM »
I would think people would be more hesitant to spend a handful of pretty gold things than they would a wad of crumpled $1s.

That could encourage responsible spending and less impulse buys (eh, I have coffee at home and I'm almost there...), which certainly wouldn't be a desired outcome.  grin

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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2007, 08:10:28 AM »
I would rather they debate real issues than waste time and money on things like this.

I do object to this as I am an aethist and I dont believe a God exists.  Why not just take it out and leave it be.  I would not object if it read:
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In Gold we trust.
 

Hah!

I'm not an ashiest, but a deist (as has been described of me, at least), and I'd be at least willing to entertain that change. But it'd be kind of foolish on a non-gold coin, don't you think? Tongue

I think the uproar is ridiculous. I actually preferred the slogan on the roll of the coins - it made them unique and gave them character. US coins are, on a whole, fairly uninteresting. As someone who is fascinated with coins and would prefer all currency to be (precious metal) coinage, it's a nice flair. But now they're taking it away? Grr.

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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2007, 08:12:00 AM »
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I would think people would be more hesitant to spend a handful of pretty gold things than they would a wad of crumpled $1s.

OTOH, when the greenback is worth about 4 sheets of toilet paper, people will think twice about wiping with coins.
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2007, 08:57:19 AM »
I would think people would be more hesitant to spend a handful of pretty gold things than they would a wad of crumpled $1s.

That could encourage responsible spending and less impulse buys (eh, I have coffee at home and I'm almost there...), which certainly wouldn't be a desired outcome.  grin

I think people would be hesitant to carry handfuls of pretty gold things around and they would get pitched into the piggy bank as most of my change does now. So, it could certainly help some people save money. grin
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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2007, 09:03:42 AM »
Stupid question here!  How come the federales are spending money and lots of it to create, mint, and distribute a gazillion new coins?  The same federales bellyache over the cost of minting coins and printing paper as being too expensive and therefore we need to proceed post haste with electronic funds.  What's the reason?
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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2007, 11:57:40 AM »
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I do object to this as I am an aethist and I dont believe a God exists.
If you do not believe that God exist, why get upset when something that does not exist is put on a coin?  Could it be that you are afraid that God may exist and you don't want to be reminded of Him?

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Stupid question here!  How come the federales are spending money and lots of it to create, mint, and distribute a gazillion new coins?  The same federales bellyache over the cost of minting coins and printing paper as being too expensive and therefore we need to proceed post haste with electronic funds.  What's the reason?

The average dollar bill has a life of about 18 months or so.  A dollar coin has a life of over a hundred years.  Just look at the lowered printing cost of a coin over a bill when comparinf their lifetimes.

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« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2007, 12:17:16 PM »
I would rather they debate real issues than waste time and money on things like this.

I do object to this as I am an aethist and I dont believe a God exists.  Why not just take it out and leave it be.  I would not object if it read:
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In Gold we trust.
 

Why not just call it a tradition from the earliest days of the country, and leave it be? Traditions are good. Things like flying the flag, honor guards, fireworks, and putting that on coins. It reminds us of our history.

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« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2007, 03:20:22 PM »
I imagine the reason they spend so much money on stuff like making new coins, is because the creation of coinage is, essentially, burning "money" in effigy to The Fed. That $1 coin costs however much, which goes straight to the Fed. Being as the Fed controls the country's financial system, and they make money in general from the creation of our currency, they've got a lot of reason to prevent us from going to an all-digital currency.

An all-digital currency means there is less incentive for us to use credit cards (we've got all our money on a card anyway) for small purchases (and subsequently get in debt), and they are unable to depreciate our funds directly as they have been doing (by printing more money and charging us to make money). They'd have to find some other mechanism to exploit us.

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« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2007, 03:26:22 PM »
I imagine the reason they spend so much money on stuff like making new coins, is because the creation of coinage is, essentially, burning "money" in effigy to The Fed. That $1 coin costs however much, which goes straight to the Fed. Being as the Fed controls the country's financial system, and they make money in general from the creation of our currency, they've got a lot of reason to prevent us from going to an all-digital currency.

An all-digital currency means there is less incentive for us to use credit cards (we've got all our money on a card anyway) for small purchases (and subsequently get in debt), and they are unable to depreciate our funds directly as they have been doing (by printing more money and charging us to make money). They'd have to find some other mechanism to exploit us.
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« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2007, 11:36:13 PM »
I think the edge thing is cool! Do you know how hard that is, technology-wise? We're telling the rest of the world "Hey, we can do this!"
 
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« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2007, 03:48:12 AM »
Why not just call it a tradition from the earliest days of the country, and leave it be? Traditions are good. Things like flying the flag, honor guards, fireworks, and putting that on coins. It reminds us of our history.

I'm mostly an agnostic with atheistic leanings, and I agree.  I don't mind the Christian(or other) themed monuments, facades, artwork, etc...

At least it doesn't waste my time unless I choose to go take a look at it.  I still shut up and stand quietly when they have a chaplain hold a prayer during ceremonies.

We might eventually remove it, but considering that those that this country is still over 50% Christian, much less monotheistic* or even polytheistic.

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« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2007, 05:13:00 AM »
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Why not just call it a tradition from the earliest days of the country, and leave it be?
Because it's not a 'tradition from the earliest days of the country'?
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« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2007, 09:40:45 AM »
Why not just call it a tradition from the earliest days of the country, and leave it be? Traditions are good. Things like flying the flag, honor guards, fireworks, and putting that on coins. It reminds us of our history.

Slavery and women not voting were traditions from the earliest days of our country.  We did not keep those traditions.  Thankfully.

The phrase was legalized for minting purposes with the Fourth Coinage Act of February 12, 1873.  The national motto was officially adopted in 1956.  By neither definition are they the 'earliest days'.
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« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2007, 09:51:51 AM »
So we keep traditions from 1873. I don't see what's wrong with that.

I'm more of an agnostic myself, but honestly, I don't understand the atheists who get their panties in a wad about everything, want to erase coins and knock over nativity scenes. What's the big deal? Especially if it doesn't affect you? Dont need to throw bombs at everything, just let it be.

There's a lot more threatening things that could be on a coin. That seems absolutely harmless. It's not like it said "Obedience to the Will of Allah in All Things" or "Obey and Serve" or something else sinister.

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« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2007, 03:55:09 PM »
Would anyone object if they changed it to "In Goddess We Trust?"
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« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2007, 04:35:07 PM »
Would anyone object if they changed it to "In Goddess We Trust?"


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