Author Topic: From hobbyist to AR magazine manufacturer, a journey  (Read 15914 times)

mangle

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From hobbyist to AR magazine manufacturer, a journey
« on: December 07, 2013, 05:31:05 PM »
I'm a long-time lurker here.  I don't think I've ever actually posted.  I do have a story I thought you'd find entertaining.

Like many of you, after the shooting in Connecticut last December, I watched various politicians demonize guns with a mixture of anger and fear.  I started looking around for firearms parts only to find that everyone else was doing the same thing, and there was very little to be found.  I was able to find a parts kit and the other parts to build up the last lower receiver I had lying around and ordered another cheaper upper that was eventually delivered in May or June.  

Then I started looking for accessories.  And watching the initial attempts of Defense Distributed to print a working 30-round magazine for an AR.  A friend and I said, "Those can't be THAT hard to make."  So naturally, we got started.

We grabbed all the magazines we had, all the blueprints of ARs and magazines we could find online, and started cad'ing them up.  We did our first few prototypes on an SLA machine to much greater success than we had initially envisioned.  We actually had our second round design, with which we later demonstrated a 30-round dump, before DD posted their video.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1U5rEAUD4E

This was in the height of the crisis, and naturally word got around that some local guys were successfully 3D printing magazines, including the owner of the range where we had been testing and a rather large local distributor.  All they wanted to know was how fast we could make them.  At this point, we realized that this could be a viable business.  As a bonus, maybe we could keep Feinstein and Schumer up a night.  So we started looking in to actually injection molding and assembling them.

Prototype round 3:



After tossing far more money in to this than we had anticipated, we had tooling.  And issues with the first shots out of the tool.  We spent lots of time painstakingly modifying the tool and testing magazines out of it until we got it right.  Testing is expensive with ammo at panic prices.  A couple thousand rounds all of a sudden becomes a major purchase.  Plastics used in the actual magazines have some very different properties than those used in SLA machines, so we got to learn far more about how these things actually work.  Through friends, we found the Louisiana Association for the Blind, a local organization that employs blind people to do assembly tasks.  They primarily do paper products for government agencies, but were happy to have another local customer.  And they're damn good at it.  

Tooling:



Dialing in the molding process:



Rather pretty:





Base plates, fresh out of the tooling.



Testing:



Testing:



More testing:



Packaging:



Magazines packed and awaiting delivery:



And that's the abbreviated story of how I went from being an avid hobbyist to a manufacturer of magazines.  Now, who said you can't do manufacturing in America any more?




« Last Edit: December 09, 2013, 11:55:34 AM by mangle »

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Re: From hobbyist to AR magazine manufacturer, a journey
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2013, 05:40:52 PM »
Obama,

You didn't build that.
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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2013, 05:42:24 PM »
Shiny!  :cool:

You doing any AK or Saiga mags  ???
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Re: From hobbyist to AR magazine manufacturer, a journey
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2013, 05:46:22 PM »
Obama did everything he could to stop us from doing this.  The labyrinthine of government regulations surrounding such things things is long, arduous, and full of pitfalls (ever look at ITAR penalties?).

We may do AK and Saiga stuff at some point in the future, but we have a few other things we're working on first.

Thought a few of you might find this kinda entertaining... Just my little piece in the fight against gun control.
« Last Edit: December 07, 2013, 08:06:50 PM by mangle »

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Re: From hobbyist to AR magazine manufacturer, a journey
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2013, 06:31:28 PM »
How much do they cost and where do we buy them?  =D
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Re: From hobbyist to AR magazine manufacturer, a journey
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2013, 06:45:15 PM »
How much do they cost and where do we buy them?  =D

Bud's Gun Shop has them at $8.82 (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/88162) and Cheaper than Dirt (I know lots of people have issues with them) has them at $8.63 (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/88162). 

Mods, I don't mean for this to be an advertising post, and if the above info doesn't belong here, please remove it.
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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2013, 07:20:13 PM »
I've got no problem with it.  It's a item used by many of our members and the pricing is good.   

Got any knock-off purses, watches or Viagra?

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Re: From hobbyist to AR magazine manufacturer, a journey
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2013, 07:23:22 PM »
Injection molded Viagra, sounds painful. :O
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Re: From hobbyist to AR magazine manufacturer, a journey
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2013, 07:25:19 PM »
Moved to the sir spam a lot forum.   :laugh:

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Re: From hobbyist to AR magazine manufacturer, a journey
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2013, 07:29:56 PM »
I've got no problem with it.  It's a item used by many of our members and the pricing is good.   

Got any knock-off purses, watches or Viagra?

 =D =D

Haha, thanks.  

There's nothing knock-off about them.  We spent more money than I like to talk about paying big law firms to make sure we're not infringing on anyone's patents.   I think you'd find you like the small details on ours better than a certain other brand.  I'd love to hear what you think.

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Re: From hobbyist to AR magazine manufacturer, a journey
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2013, 07:34:03 PM »
mangle:

Welcome, and thanks for letting us know about your product. It's always exciting to see innovation still happening in what feels increasingly like Atlas Shrugged produced as reality TV. [tinfoil]

Best of luck,

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Re: From hobbyist to AR magazine manufacturer, a journey
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2013, 07:40:07 PM »
Tough business on numbers if you're going up against Magpul, but I wish you well. I already own 70 mags for one AR, may have to try some of these too.

Now if you could just crank out a few 10 million .22LR rounds.
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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2013, 07:47:43 PM »
Beautiful story.
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Re: From hobbyist to AR magazine manufacturer, a journey
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2013, 07:57:28 PM »
Thanks guys!  It's been fun.

We're an interesting group. We're all MIT, and we've got a fair amount of experience working on much larger weapons systems in the DoD.  The stuff we're working on now is the way we'll compete with the big guys. In a few months I should be able to show you some much more exciting stuff that just flat doesn't exist on the market today.
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Re: From hobbyist to AR magazine manufacturer, a journey
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2013, 07:58:25 PM »
I,m going to look for some online even though I have plenty of AR mags.  Good for you guys, hope you bank some cash from this!

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« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2013, 08:05:53 PM »
Thanks guys!  It's been fun.

We're an interesting group. We're all MIT, and we've got a fair amount of experience working on much larger weapons systems in the DoD.  The stuff we're working on now is the way we'll compete with the big guys. In a few months I should be able to show you some much more exciting stuff that just flat doesn't exist on the market today.

Well done, and I look forward to hearing about the stuff you have in the works!
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« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2013, 08:07:01 PM »
By the way, I hope you'll stick around and add to the discussion in general.
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« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2013, 08:11:10 PM »
By the way, I hope you'll stick around and add to the discussion in general.

Definitely!  I've always appreciated the political commentary here.  Being from Louisiana but living in Massachusetts and doing lots of work in California, this place is a welcome respite.  I was very happy to see the Atlas Shrugged reference earlier... I finally picked up and started reading it a week ago.

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Re: From hobbyist to AR magazine manufacturer, a journey
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2013, 08:17:29 PM »
Nice work. If Monkeyleg or a local shop starts carrying these I might have to buy a few to check them out.

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« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2013, 08:32:44 PM »
Nice work. If Monkeyleg or a local shop starts carrying these I might have to buy a few to check them out.

Ditto. Would love/prefer to source through a member.
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Re: From hobbyist to AR magazine manufacturer, a journey
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2013, 08:46:04 PM »
Buying from Monkeyleg is cool when you can do it, but don't pass on an opportunity to put your thumb in Feinstein's eye by picking up a few.  8.82$ apiece, no less!

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« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2013, 09:00:45 PM »
Nice work. If Monkeyleg or a local shop starts carrying these I might have to buy a few to check them out.

Only if they come with the requisite 3D prototyped moccasins.
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Re: From hobbyist to AR magazine manufacturer, a journey
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2013, 09:03:16 PM »
Only if they come with the requisite 3D prototyped moccasins.
I thought most preferred 3D shooting for moccasin material.   
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Re: From hobbyist to AR magazine manufacturer, a journey
« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2013, 09:03:56 PM »
Injection molded Viagra, sounds painful. :O
Hope they use something other than the plastic they make magazines out of . . . you know the warning about the effect lasting over 4 hours . . .  :O
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Re: From hobbyist to AR magazine manufacturer, a journey
« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2013, 10:17:07 PM »
http://www.portcityarmory.com/about.php

sweet, are you going to make up 20 and 10 rounders for hunting and ban states?
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