Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on December 06, 2007, 07:19:04 AM
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/11/23/not-enough-parking-private-jets-going-un-climate-conference
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As climate alarmists from all over the world head to Bali to talk about the sacrifices regular folks have to make to save the planet from global warming, it seems certain media will ignore all the private jets clogging the tiny airport.
As if its not enough that the United Nations Climate Change Conference is being held at what NewsBusters reported as "a truly beautiful tropical island paradise," the management of the nearby airport has issued a warning to attendees that they are going to have to park their private jets somewhere else.
I kid you not.
As reported by Bali Discovery Tours on November 3 (emphasis added):
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Tempo Interaktif reports that Angkasa Pura - the management of Bali's Ngurah Rai International Airport are concerned that the large number of additional private charter flights expected in Bali during the UN Conference on Climate Change (UNFCCC) December 3-15, 2007, will exceed the carrying capacity of apron areas. To meet the added demand for aircraft storage officials are allocating "parking space" at other airports in Indonesia.
The operational manager for Bali's Airport, Azjar Effendi, says his 3 parking areas can only accommodate 15 planes, which means that some of the jets used by VIP delegations will only be allowed to disembark and embark their planes in Bali with parking provided at airports in Surabaya, Lombok, Jakarta and Makassar.
Talk about your really inconvenient truths.
As if its not enough that the United Nations Climate Change Conference is being held at what NewsBusters reported as "a truly beautiful tropical island paradise," the management of the nearby airport has issued a warning to attendees that they are going to have to park their private jets somewhere else.
I kid you not.
As reported by Bali Discovery Tours on November 3 (emphasis added):
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Tempo Interaktif reports that Angkasa Pura - the management of Bali's Ngurah Rai International Airport are concerned that the large number of additional private charter flights expected in Bali during the UN Conference on Climate Change (UNFCCC) December 3-15, 2007, will exceed the carrying capacity of apron areas. To meet the added demand for aircraft storage officials are allocating "parking space" at other airports in Indonesia.
The operational manager for Bali's Airport, Azjar Effendi, says his 3 parking areas can only accommodate 15 planes, which means that some of the jets used by VIP delegations will only be allowed to disembark and embark their planes in Bali with parking provided at airports in Surabaya, Lombok, Jakarta and Makassar.
Talk about your really inconvenient truths.
Post by: K Frame on December 06, 2007, 07:23:42 AM
They're BETTER than us, so they shouldn't be expected to follow their own dictats.
Post by: Jamisjockey on December 06, 2007, 08:02:38 AM
When I become Emporer for Life, I'll burn the UN building to the ground (or turn it into a shelter for strippers) and execute all the diplomats that are there.
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on December 06, 2007, 08:05:11 AM
When I become Emporer for Life, I'll burn the UN building to the ground (or turn it into a shelter for strippers) and execute all the diplomats that are there.
You'll have my support!
Post by: The Viking on December 06, 2007, 08:09:05 AM
As I heard it on Fox (Fairly imbalanced....so who knows) they were estimating that this conference would cause 50,000 tons of pollution from the jets going back and forth. I guess having the UN conference in, gasp, the UN building that was built for such things is crazy talk, right?
When I become Emporer for Life, I'll burn the UN building to the ground (or turn it into a shelter for strippers) and execute all the diplomats that are there.
Give me a gun, and I'll help you out.
When I become Emporer for Life, I'll burn the UN building to the ground (or turn it into a shelter for strippers) and execute all the diplomats that are there.
Post by: griz on December 06, 2007, 08:56:05 AM
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Talk about your really inconvenient truths.
I love that line. 
Post by: Manedwolf on December 06, 2007, 09:06:58 AM
Post by: CypherNinja on December 06, 2007, 10:34:37 AM
Only to return the next day with it loaded onto a hydraulically folding trebuchet on a semi trailer and launcing through the 20th or so story windows.
Post by: Boomhauer on December 06, 2007, 10:52:54 AM
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Only to return the next day with it loaded onto a hydraulically folding trebuchet on a semi trailer and launcing through the 20th or so story windows.
Hold that thought. I'm going to go fire up the welder and get the torch tanks filled.
Post by: grampster on December 06, 2007, 11:10:47 AM
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Post by: Paddy on December 06, 2007, 12:27:40 PM
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As I heard it on Fox (Fairly imbalanced....so who knows) they were estimating that this conference would cause 50,000 tons of pollution from the jets going back and forth.
Since you seem to be concerned about pollution emissions, do you know that one SUV will emit over 100 tons of CO2 during its lifetime? That's just carbon dioxide. Multiply that by the millions of SUV's on the road, and 50k is a small number indeed. And Faux News is probably including total pollutants in the 50k figure.
Post by: Jamisjockey on December 06, 2007, 12:48:05 PM
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As I heard it on Fox (Fairly imbalanced....so who knows) they were estimating that this conference would cause 50,000 tons of pollution from the jets going back and forth.
Since you seem to be concerned about pollution emissions, do you know that one SUV will emit over 100 tons of CO2 during its lifetime? That's just carbon dioxide. Multiply that by the millions of SUV's on the road, and 50k is a small number indeed. And Faux News is probably including total pollutants in the 50k figure.
Actually I'm just commenting on the hypocrasy of the UN, Al Gore, and all the other aholes that are heading to this conference.
Lets have a conference on Global Warming.
We already have a huge building in New York, and many of our people are already there on assignment.
Oh, nevermind. Lets take a crapload of private jets to the tropics. Lets invite a bunch of windbag "experts", too.
Post by: grampster on December 06, 2007, 12:52:12 PM
Kevin Rudd recoils from climate change pledge
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December 07, 2007 12:00am
PRIME Minister Kevin Rudd last night did an about-face on deep cuts to greenhouse gas emissions, days after Australia's delegation backed the plan at the climate talks in Bali.
A government representative at the talks this week said Australia backed a 25-40 per cent cut on 1990 emission levels by 2020.
But after warnings it would lead to huge rises in electricity prices, Mr Rudd said the Government would not support the target.
The repudiation of the delegate's position represents the first stumble by the new Government's in its approach to climate change.
Mr Rudd said he supported a longer-term greenhouse emissions cut of 60 per cent of 2000 levels by 2050.
But the Government would not set medium-term targets until a report by economist Ross Garnaut was completed next year.
"I think speculation on individual numbers prior to that is not productive and I would suggest it would be better for all concerned if we waited for the outcome of that properly-deliberated document," Mr Rudd said.
The electricity industry yesterday warned it may not be able to meet growing consumer demand and comply with the 2020 target.
Energy Supply Association of Australia chief executive Brad Page said a 17 per cent power price rise in Victoria would seem "pretty modest" compared with the cost of complying with the target.
An ESAA report released this year found cutting carbon emissions by 30 per cent of 2000 levels by 2030 wold push up power costs by 30 per cent.
Mr Page said the cost of meeting the higher target by 2020 would be much more as low-cost, green-generation technology would not be available for more than 10 years.
"You are dependent on yet-to-be delivered technology," he said.
"The community needs to be aware cuts of this magnitude will come at considerable cost and it's difficult to know how exactly it will be delivered."
Opposition Leader Brendan Nelson said the suggested cuts would have "devastating impact" on Australia's economic development.
"It will have serious consequences for electricity bills and many other burdens borne by working families in day-to-day life, and pensioners," Dr Nelson said.
Greenpeace campaigner Steven Campbell said Australia should slash carbon emissions by 20 to 40 per cent of 1990 levels by 2020.
"If we want to keep global warming below 2C then these are the targets we need," Mr Campbell said.
A team of 212 climate change experts from more than 20 countries yesterday called for a 50 per cent cut in greenhouse pollution by 2050.
HeraldSun.com.Au
Post by: Iain on December 06, 2007, 01:30:57 PM
promised to immediately sign the Kyoto Accord, decided to actually read the Kyoto Accord. After reading same, declared, "Hey, I ain't signing that puppy. Holy crap it will destroy our economy and it's full of BS." (Or words to that effect.)
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Australian Labor Party leader Kevin Rudd has been sworn in as prime minister, following a landslide victory in parliamentary elections last week.
Immediately after the ceremony, he signed documents to ratify the Kyoto Protocol on climate change, reversing the previous administration's policy.
"This is the first official act of the new Australian government," he said.
linkImmediately after the ceremony, he signed documents to ratify the Kyoto Protocol on climate change, reversing the previous administration's policy.
"This is the first official act of the new Australian government," he said.
He signed it. These talks are about Kyoto's successor as Kyoto expires in 2012.
Post by: Creeping Incrementalism on December 07, 2007, 07:57:50 AM
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As I heard it on Fox (Fairly imbalanced....so who knows) they were estimating that this conference would cause 50,000 tons of pollution from the jets going back and forth.
Since you seem to be concerned about pollution emissions, do you know that one SUV will emit over 100 tons of CO2 during its lifetime? That's just carbon dioxide. Multiply that by the millions of SUV's on the road, and 50k is a small number indeed. And Faux News is probably including total pollutants in the 50k figure.
I see your logic: if you are rich enough to own a highly expensive polluting device, it is okay, because the masses are too poor to own them so there aren't very many. And it is okay for the rich to drive around in SUVs, because they have the money to buy carbon credits.
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Regarding Rudd not signing any serious carbon cutting bill, I love it. They all talk about how important it is, but as soon as the reality of the huge costs necessary to avoid the (completely overblown) "disaster" become apparent, they balk.
Post by: CAnnoneer on December 07, 2007, 12:47:45 PM
Post by: Paddy on December 07, 2007, 01:06:22 PM
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I see your logic: if you are rich enough to own a highly expensive polluting device, it is okay, because the masses are too poor to own them so there aren't very many. And it is okay for the rich to drive around in SUVs, because they have the money to buy carbon credits.
No. The point is that it's hypocritical for SUV driving rubes who don't give a rat's ass about pollution to use that argument.
Post by: El Tejon on December 07, 2007, 02:55:24 PM
I get warmer weather--it's motherf**king cold here now AND I get my freedom back once the East Coast Eloi are whale chow. Talk about a win-win-win!!!
SUV Police=>
Too bad this Global Warming rubbish is only a manifestation of White Guilt as my cold will not leave my head and this icy air on top of me is not helping.
Post by: Scout26 on December 07, 2007, 05:05:13 PM
Anyone know if the Martians have signed onto the Kyoto Treaty ?? Their polar ice caps are continuing to shrink. Must be all those Martian SUV's. Maybe Al Gore can sell Carbon Credits (aka indulgences) to them and "make it all better".
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Post by: Modifiedbrowning on December 07, 2007, 09:04:37 PM
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No. The point is that it's hypocritical for SUV driving rubes who don't give a rat's ass about pollution to use that argument.
As soon as you decide to buy me a new car I will continue to be a SUV driving rube. BTW, my rube ass drives a Nissan Pathfinder made in 1988. If you would like to buy me a Prius or another new car that would be much appreciated.
SUV Police-------->
Post by: Jamisjockey on December 08, 2007, 02:52:19 AM
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I see your logic: if you are rich enough to own a highly expensive polluting device, it is okay, because the masses are too poor to own them so there aren't very many. And it is okay for the rich to drive around in SUVs, because they have the money to buy carbon credits.
No. The point is that it's hypocritical for SUV driving rubes who don't give a rat's ass about pollution to use that argument.
No, the point is that if those aholes you worship like Gore and the UN really believed what they are preaching, they wouldn't be jetsetting around the world to Bali...they would either use the UN building or they would do one better and teleconference the whole damn thing. Your gods are hypocrites.
Post by: Sergeant Bob on December 08, 2007, 03:36:09 AM
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I see your logic: if you are rich enough to own a highly expensive polluting device, it is okay, because the masses are too poor to own them so there aren't very many. And it is okay for the rich to drive around in SUVs, because they have the money to buy carbon credits.
No. The point is that it's hypocritical for SUV driving rubes who don't give a rat's ass about pollution to use that argument. Smug Alert! Smug Alert!
No, the point is that if those aholes you worship like Gore and the UN really believed what they are preaching, they wouldn't be jetsetting around the world to Bali...they would either use the UN building or they would do one better and teleconference the whole damn thing. Your gods are hypocrites.
Or they would at least fly commercial like all of us SUV driving rubes do when we attend Glowbull Worming conferences.
Sorry dasmi, but here in Chicago we've been on "Weather Panic" aka "Snowmegedon" all this week and I spent Wednesday morning and this morning shoveling about 8 inches of "Global Warming" off my driveway.
Hehe, Snowmeggedon, I like it.
Post by: Paddy on December 08, 2007, 06:42:34 AM
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No, the point is that if those aholes you worship like Gore and the UN really believed what they are preaching, they wouldn't be jetsetting around the world to Bali...they would either use the UN building or they would do one better and teleconference the whole damn thing. Your gods are hypocrites.
Chill out. Gore is a raving lunatic IMO. I couldn't care less about 'global warming'. It's a natural cycle (else why would the ice ages have ended) that has been occuring for hundreds of millions of years. The notion that man's activities have any significant effect one way or the other is arrogant hubris (is that redundant?)
I only drive fuel efficient vehicles to save gas money. I don't understand why that pisses off SUV drivers so much.
Post by: CAnnoneer on December 08, 2007, 08:22:48 AM
Post by: grampster on December 08, 2007, 08:45:41 AM
Especially if he narrates it.I hope the Goreites continue their hypocrisy. That will bode well for the next couple of generations being able to sort the wheat from the chaff as they will have a magnificent portrait to consult.
Post by: Jamisjockey on December 08, 2007, 10:28:34 AM
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I only drive fuel efficient vehicles to save gas money. I don't understand why that pisses off SUV drivers so much.
We're just having fun at you most of the time. But then you get all pious on us.
Post by: MechAg94 on December 08, 2007, 07:01:30 PM
On your prior comparison, I don't think it is apples to apples to compare the lifetime effect of an SUV to one month's use of some private jets. What is the lifetime pollution impact of a private jet? I doubt my truck will put out 100 tons in the next month.
Post by: El Tejon on December 09, 2007, 06:13:43 AM
I then pick up the paper and see how Purdue professors are applying for even more grants to study White Guilt, aka Global Warming. It's bitter cold, freezing rain pouring down, I have a cough that has last 10 days and produce enough snot from my head to lube the machinery at Cat, and people want more of my money to attack me.
I hate you White people and all your White Guilt.
Post by: Firethorn on December 09, 2007, 10:49:52 AM
Riley, my truck is paid for so I see no reason to adopt a new car lease just to get more efficiency. My commute is fairly short these days anyway.
The amount of resources a new vehicle consumes is such that unless something is majorly wrong with the vehicle it's generally better to keep the vehicle unless you're looking to replace it otherwise.
Keeping an older but in good condition 30mpg honda civic in service still beats building a new 35 mpg civic alike.
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 09, 2007, 11:54:28 AM
No. The point is that it's hypocritical for SUV driving rubes who don't give a rat's ass about pollution to use that argument.
How can it be hypocritical to break a rule you don't believe in?
Post by: CAnnoneer on December 09, 2007, 11:56:17 AM
I hate you White people and all your White Guilt.
I am white and got no guilt. Those who do feel guilt are welcome to give up their place at the top of the ecological food chain. Of course, there is only one way to move from the top -- down!
As far as the secular evangelists go, they will have more credibility when they move out of their mansions and teleconference instead of flying.