Shots fired on Capitol Hill

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

I think it's odd that most people would consider a rampaging vehicle lethal force if it happened to/near THEM... but when it's at the white house, some consider it to be someone who can be reasoned with and shouldn't be shot

Just an observation

statist!

[Fitz]

statist!

I don't always agree with you, but when I do, I do.

I think there MAY have been a way to apprehend her without killing her.

I also know that if someone was tearing around in a vehicle, busting barricades, hitting things, then attempted to drive through me, I'd fire.

Thus, I find it difficult to fault her. Only vid I saw shows what looks like them opening fire after she drive toward them.

Maybe i'm not seeing it well enough. I'll go back and look again.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

I don't always agree with you, but when I do, I do.

I think there MAY have been a way to apprehend her without killing her.

I also know that if someone was tearing around in a vehicle, busting barricades, hitting things, then attempted to drive through me, I'd fire.

Thus, I find it difficult to fault her. Only vid I saw shows what looks like them opening fire after she drive toward them.

Maybe i'm not seeing it well enough. I'll go back and look again.

you apply same metric i use then

would i shoot her if i was there?  yup

ok then.  doesn't make it a good thing or anything to be happy about.  doing the right thing often brings lil joy  .  but its a man thang and apparently thats hard to grasp for some

[Tallpine]

I think it's odd that most people would consider a rampaging vehicle lethal force if it happened to/near THEM... but when it's at the white house, some consider it to be someone who can be reasoned with and shouldn't be shot

Just an observation

But reportedly she was out of the vehicle when they shot and killed her 

I dunno, I would think that post 9-11 that the barriers would be a somewhat calculated safe blast radius from gov buildings and strong enough to stop a car.  Pursuits are always dangerous and can be made more so.  Certainly this is a unique incident, but any one part of it should fall under standard procedures (do you or do you not shoot at fleeing vehicles, etc).

[Fitz]

But reportedly she was out of the vehicle when they shot and killed her 

I dunno, I would think that post 9-11 that the barriers would be a somewhat calculated safe blast radius from gov buildings and strong enough to stop a car.  Pursuits are always dangerous and can be made more so.  Certainly this is a unique incident, but any one part of it should fall under standard procedures (do you or do you not shoot at fleeing vehicles, etc).

Any video of that? That might change my opinion greatly

[Tallpine]

Any video of that? That might change my opinion greatly

Of the fatal shots?  Not that I am aware of, that is available to the public.  I'm sorta open that she possibly did something "threatening" after getting out of the car, even though "unarmed."

There is video that seems to indicate that shots were fired at the fleeing car after she backed into a cop car and got herself un-cornered.  I'm not seeing bullet holes in the front of the car (to indicated that someone fired on approach) but it looks like bullet holes in the driver's door (can't tell if it was open when that happened).

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

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Your turn.

I have.  First shots aren't fired until the :10 second mark.  AFTER she has driven around the "box" and past the officers.  That's a definite "NO SHOOT" in every school and class I've gone to.   Had it been in any other jurisdiction, the officers that pulled triggers would and should be facing some serious discipline, if not criminal charges.

See I hold LE to a higher standard than the average citizen.  Simply because the have been and are trained in the law and sworn to uphold it.

sorry missed this one

so what was it that happened as the shots were fired? as the car was outa sight i am most intrigued at the mysterious abilities all that training gave you that allow you to tell. it must be a heavy burden those kinda powers

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Any video of that? That might change my opinion greatly

heres a map that shows where she went

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/undercover-lied-role-biker-beatdown-suv-driver-source-article-1.1479369

shes about as close as you can get in private car.   i think the blast radius would exclude the bldg but i bet some of those folks outside nearby are probably selfcentered about being in the radius. likely the cops had strong personal feelings too.  
it does bring up an interesting point  what are the rules near places like that?  the same as everywhere else? or less restrictive. i know at the pentagon the rules change in some areas

[TechMan]

heres a map that shows where she went

shes about as close as you can get in private car.   i think the blast radius would exclude the bldg but i bet some of those folks outside nearby are probably selfcentered about being in the radius. likely the cops had strong personal feelings too. 
it does bring up an interesting point  what are the rules near places like that?  the same as everywhere else? or less restrictive. i know at the pentagon the rules change in some areas

No link.

[KD5NRH]

shes about as close as you can get in private car.   i think the blast radius would exclude the bldg but i bet some of those folks outside nearby are probably selfcentered about being in the radius. likely the cops had strong personal feelings too.

Even the retarded terrorists use deadman switches.  Charging in shooting is a pretty stupid tactic if you think you're dealing with a bomber.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Even the retarded terrorists use deadman switches.  Charging in shooting is a pretty stupid tactic if you think you're dealing with a bomber.

You suggest talking it out? Or?

damn phone

[Tallpine]

sorry missed this one

so what was it that happened as the shots were fired? as the car was outa sight i am most intrigued at the mysterious abilities all that training gave you that allow you to tell. it must be a heavy burden those kinda powers

The car was moving because it wasn't out of sight long.  In the "final" picture no bullet holes appear in the front so one would not expect someone to have been shooting at an approaching car (or at least they failed to hit it).  That leaves three other sides I suppose.  Hard to imagine she kept going after bullets went through the drivers door   

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

The car was moving because it wasn't out of sight long.  In the "final" picture no bullet holes appear in the front so one would not expect someone to have been shooting at an approaching car (or at least they failed to hit it).  That leaves three other sides I suppose.  Hard to imagine she kept going after bullets went through the drivers door   

by my count it was outa sight 3-4 seconds.
that actually quite a bit of time for a car to move

your experience with bullet holes in doors allow you to devine what angle they came from or should we defer to scouts powers?
why is it hard to imagine she kept moving  and i admire your candor using imagine

[Tallpine]

by my count it was outa sight 3-4 seconds.
that actually quite a bit of time for a car to move

your experience with bullet holes in doors allow you to devine what angle they came from or should we defer to scouts powers?
why is it hard to imagine she kept moving  and i admire your candor using imagine

With all due lack of respect, you're just being an ass now 

[Balog]

"Now?"