Four dead in mass shooting at military facilities in Tennessee

[roo_ster]

Absolutely.  At the end of the day, this is the most important outcome.

The armed forces / fed.gov are not worthy of the sacrifices our men & women make while enlisted/commissioned. 

[T.O.M.]

Well, I kind of figured it would happen...

http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2015/07/23/lancaster-ohio-civilian-guard-protecting-lancaster-recruiting-center-accidentally-fires-weapon.html

Long story short, a "civilian" volunteer guard touched off a round outside a recruiting center.

 

[KD5NRH]

Long story short, a "civilian" volunteer guard touched off a round outside a recruiting center.

So where did the bullet end up?  If in the dirt within a couple feet of the shooter, (or in some other safe backstop the gun was intentionally pointed at) then the redundancy of the safety rules worked.

[lupinus]

Lancaster Police tell 10TV 28-year-old Christopher Reed fired an AR-15 rifle while attempting to clear the ammunition from the weapon

Well, technically speaking, he did successfully clear the firearm of the chambered round....

[Devonai]

If we're not supposed to fire into the clearing barrel, then why are they designed to take a round?

 

 

[Perd Hapley]

Well, I kind of figured it would happen...

http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2015/07/23/lancaster-ohio-civilian-guard-protecting-lancaster-recruiting-center-accidentally-fires-weapon.html

Long story short, a "civilian" volunteer guard touched off a round outside a recruiting center.

 

He is hoping everyone taking this stance is also reviewing the rules on the safe way to discharge a firearm.

Another reporter trying to use firearms lingo.   


So why would anyone be clearing a weapon in this situation? Does Ohio law require long guns to be transported with empty chambers?

[Balog]

Another reporter trying to use firearms lingo.   


So why would anyone be clearing a weapon in this situation? Does Ohio law require long guns to be transported with empty chambers?

Some dude wanted to play with it and he was trying to clear it before handing it over. http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=49024.0

[Scout26]

If we're not supposed to fire into the clearing barrel, then why are they designed to take a round?

 

 

We had two soldiers kill the clearing barrel when I was in Germany.  The first one was an E-2 (and not my solider).  I thought the company commander was going to lose her mind when I suggested that he get maxed out on his Article 15, pulled from any DLO duty and given to the 1SG for a month to be his CQ runner (one day on, one day for 30 days).  I didn't think it was that big of a deal.  I mean he killed the clearing barrel, that's what it is for.   You wouldn't even have to say a word.  It would get around, and then everyone would see that poor bastard being the 1SG's bitch for a month and then be reminded to be extra careful as they passed by Sad Sack and his unending hell of CQ.

Apparently the V Corps and USAREUR Provost Marshals wanted this kid's head on a pike.

Couple years later one of the Platoon Sergeants, again not mine, killed the clearing barrel not once, not twice but three times.  We were short junior NCO's so we had to put E-7's on as patrol supervisors.    He was so surprised it went off, he had to do it two more times just to be sure.

That's when USAREUR pulled the magazines from the guns.      Plus if you were duty officer you had to go over to the arms room and and watch them issue weapons, then go back and watch turn in.  So three shifts, that's six trips over to the arms room and stand by the clearing barrel do the job of a CPL/SGT/SSG.      All because the TPTB had a zero defects mentality.

[vaskidmark]

Were your clearing barrels at least full of fluffy sand?

Prison guard wounded himself, another guard, and the inmate they were transporting when he ND'd into a barrel that had been standing outside, unattended, for years if not decades.*

Within the hour there was a prisoner work detail with picks and pry bars trying to break up the sand that had taken on all the characteristics of concrete.  And only because a near-retirement maintenance guy (not correctional officer, not firearms certified) saw what happened and took it on himself to fix the problem.

stay safe.

* - How do you ND a S&W Model 10 with the cylinder swung out?  'Cause tje guy who did it swore the cylinder was out. 

[Boomhauer]

Well, I kind of figured it would happen...

http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2015/07/23/lancaster-ohio-civilian-guard-protecting-lancaster-recruiting-center-accidentally-fires-weapon.html

Long story short, a "civilian" volunteer guard touched off a round outside a recruiting center.

 

That did not take long.

[Scout26]

Were your clearing barrels at least full of fluffy sand?

Top half of a fifty-five gallon half barrel angled into the ground at a 45° angle.  6"x6" hole cut into the top where you would put the muzzle in.  About 6-8" inches started a whole lot of nice fluffy German dirt.


 

[Jamisjockey]

We had two soldiers kill the clearing barrel when I was in Germany.  The first one was an E-2 (and not my solider).  I thought the company commander was going to lose her mind when I suggested that he get maxed out on his Article 15, pulled from any DLO duty and given to the 1SG for a month to be his CQ runner (one day on, one day for 30 days).  I didn't think it was that big of a deal.  I mean he killed the clearing barrel, that's what it is for.   You wouldn't even have to say a word.  It would get around, and then everyone would see that poor bastard being the 1SG's bitch for a month and then be reminded to be extra careful as they passed by Sad Sack and his unending hell of CQ.

Apparently the V Corps and USAREUR Provost Marshals wanted this kid's head on a pike.

Couple years later one of the Platoon Sergeants, again not mine, killed the clearing barrel not once, not twice but three times.  We were short junior NCO's so we had to put E-7's on as patrol supervisors.    He was so surprised it went off, he had to do it two more times just to be sure.

That's when USAREUR pulled the magazines from the guns.      Plus if you were duty officer you had to go over to the arms room and and watch them issue weapons, then go back and watch turn in.  So three shifts, that's six trips over to the arms room and stand by the clearing barrel do the job of a CPL/SGT/SSG.      All because the TPTB had a zero defects mentality.

When the wife and I moved into housing in Yuma, I had to wait a few days to check my guns in.  You could keep them in your base housing but they had to be registered on base, transported unloaded and locked.   
The reason for the delay?  Some Lance Coolie was checking a new Gunny into base housing and went to clear one of the Gunny's sidearms into the clearing barrel.  It was loaded and he discharged it.    Apparently PMO had to have a 3 day safety stand-down because of the stupidity. 

[KD5NRH]

* - How do you ND a S&W Model 10 with the cylinder swung out?  'Cause tje guy who did it swore the cylinder was out.

Pretty sure they won't do anything with the cylinder swung out.

As in, the action won't work.

Couple years later one of the Platoon Sergeants, again not mine, killed the clearing barrel not once, not twice but three times.  We were short junior NCO's so we had to put E-7's on as patrol supervisors.    He was so surprised it went off, he had to do it two more times just to be sure.

Well, you gotta make sure all the rounds are really out.

[Tallpine]

What's a cleaning barrel for, anyway - if not to shoot into 

 

[Firethorn]

* - How do you ND a S&W Model 10 with the cylinder swung out?  'Cause tje guy who did it swore the cylinder was out. 

That reminds me of the story of a forest service ranger who, after he retired, they had to pound the cartridges out of his revolver.  The same cartridges and revolver he had been issued when he entered the service.

Apparently PMO had to have a 3 day safety stand-down because of the stupidity.  

Let's see, a demerit to the gunny for transporting loaded firearms, demerit to the lance for attempting to clear a firearm he wasn't trained/certified/familiar with, and a demerit to whoever told the lance to clear it.

[Angel Eyes]

Army tells recruiters to treat armed civilians as a security threat:

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/07/22/army-to-recruiters-treat-armed-citizens-as-security-threat.html

[SADShooter]

Army tells recruiters to treat armed civilians as a security threat:

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/07/22/army-to-recruiters-treat-armed-citizens-as-security-threat.html

"The friend of my friend is my enemy.." Wait, I'm confused...

[vaskidmark]

http://staghounds.blogspot.com/2015/08/in-navy-2005.html

As that starts to grow legs there is bound to be more than a few chapped butts going around with hurt feelings.

Can't tell - is that macro-aggression or mega-aggression?

stay safe.