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Who do you think will win the election?

McCain
22 (34.4%)
Obama
42 (65.6%)

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longeyes

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Re: Who do you think will win?
« Reply #75 on: October 26, 2008, 08:37:26 PM »
Well, we can count on inertia, sloth, cowardice, and entropy.

There's just one thing, though: the status quo isn't going to last too much longer, so any comfortable assumption, positive or negative, can be plausibly discarded.  There will be severe disruptions in our economy and the repercussions of that will interrupt our never-ending ascent to our divine right of happiness.  Meanwhile, this nation has enemies, deadly enemies, and when they finally strike there will be no way to just lower your head and trudge on.  All your assumptions about the future will be up in smoke.

Sorry to be apocalyptic, but I just don't see us muddling through as Obamatons for the next fifty years.  And that goes for the Europeans too. 
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Re: Who do you think will win?
« Reply #76 on: October 26, 2008, 09:08:31 PM »
Well, I do agree with Rocketman wherein most of the 80 million gun owners in this country would just obey like good servants and turn them in.  Still though, even if 1/8 of a percent decided to fight, that would still be approximately 100,000 people.  Of course, none of us could possibly predict the outcome of such an event, but 100,000 people is nothing to sneeze at.  If we didn't represent at least some threat to total power by an all-powerful central government, then they wouldn't be trying to undermine RKBA, would they?

Lets just hope and pray that we never have to find out.  I just fear that eventually we will.
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Re: Who do you think will win?
« Reply #77 on: October 26, 2008, 09:16:25 PM »
Obama is almost certain to win.

The result?  Not much will change-there will probably be a modest tax decrease for most of the population, a net tax increase on individuals with the cash to buy a 100 foot plus yacht, and no effective change in the net tax of corporations (due to Obama's support for a Corporate subsidy program similar to GW Bush's bailout).

The momentum behind national healthcare and rebuilding social security as a state institution will be impossible to stop now that the $700 billion bailout has happened.  If the government can draw up hundreds of billions to provide welfare assistance to irresponsible banks, voters will demand the same for their medical expenses and pensions.

When these welfare state measures do not ruin the economy, the entire field of debate in the U.S. will shift leftwards, and we'll be on our way to living more like the Scandanavians. 

That's my prediction for this election's outcome.
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Re: Who do you think will win?
« Reply #78 on: October 26, 2008, 09:20:00 PM »
99.9% would comply and turn them in.

A small bit more would do what they did in Belfast after the troubles...the guns would vanish into basements, walls, gardens, wrapped in oiled cloth or sealed in tubes.

A couple, maybe a dozen would "revolt", get stomped by the local SWAT, lose everything they ever had including their family, and that would be the end of that.

Reality. It's good to live in.

Also, SS, you definitely don't live there, by your last post. You have no idea of the utter destruction of the small business entrepreneur and failure of small businesses that would come as a result of an Obama/dem unrestricted administration.

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Re: Who do you think will win?
« Reply #79 on: October 26, 2008, 09:30:23 PM »
Maned,

The "utter destruction of small businesses" would happen how exactly?

It looks like the walmarts, chain shops, and chain restaurants are doing a pretty solid job of destroying small businesses of all sorts without an Obama tax policy change.  What is it specifically about Obama as president that's going to add fuel to the fire?

To be honest, the teeth gnashing about how destructive Obama will be is only going to help the welfare state supporters-when the reality is that none of these dire predictions come true, the critics of the Obama plans will be discredited. 

Over-hyping the evils of Obama is one of the best things that could happen to Obama at this stage: now that he's near certain to win, any beneficial effect to the economy as a result of his first term will look like a big victory.  So in a sense, what the Obama apocalypse predictions are doing now is helping to give Obama term number 2, on top of term number 1.

Measured, accurate, and issues based criticism is what he is vulnerable to at this point.  The right's failure to do that, instead going with sensationalism, predictions of doom, and "who is Obama?" is directly responsible for its abysmal polling.
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longeyes

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Re: Who do you think will win?
« Reply #80 on: October 26, 2008, 10:28:50 PM »
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Not much will change-there will probably be a modest tax decrease for most of the population, a net tax increase on individuals with the cash to buy a 100 foot plus yacht, and no effective change in the net tax of corporations (due to Obama's support for a Corporate subsidy program similar to GW Bush's bailout).

Not much will change.  Probably just the First and Second Amendments.  They're coming for talk radio and your guns.  Bet on it.  They're already on the record on both counts.


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Re: Who do you think will win?
« Reply #81 on: October 27, 2008, 01:21:16 AM »
Ah, yes.  Obama will only raise taxes on those making $250,000 a year or more.  Your boy is a wonderful guy, SS.
Too bad he means $250,000 gross, not net.  Read the fine print.  Wave goodbye to a lot of the backbone of America.
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