All you anti-Bush folks

[grislyatoms]

Remember what Hussein did to the Kurds? Mid-Late 80's?

He gassed them. I have an image etched in my mind's eye that I will never be rid of, an image from Newsweek. A Kurd woman attempting to shield her child from the gas but they both succumbed.

Now, even the right wing finds fault with G.W.
 
I, myself, do not. Count me with the lunatic fringe, I guess, on that count.  G.W. made some hard decisions, ones that no president had the balls to make, previous. G.W. ended Saddam Hussein's reign of gassing women and children. If supporting him put's me on the fringe... so be it.

[mtnbkr]

He gave us the Patriot Act, the TSA, Homeland Security, and Barack Obama.  His first duty is to the people of the United States.  I don't care what happens to people in Iraq or even Europe.  Just like I don't expect them to care about us.

Chris

[Fly320s]

I agree with Chris.

Bush also started the first bailout package, among other failures. Bush was registered as a Republican, but I don't think he stayed with Republican values.

[geronimotwo]

I agree with Chris.

Bush also started the first bailout package, among other failures. Bush was registered as a Republican, but I don't think he stayed with Republican values.

name one "republican" who has?  (aside from ron paul)

[Perd Hapley]

Oh, gorgeous. A single thread resurrects the well-worn arguments about W and Ron Paul, and for no apparent reason.

[red headed stranger]

It does seem quite out of the blue.   

[seeker_two]

And don't forget the Navy surveilance plane that landed in China right before 9/11....he caved in heavily on that one..... 

[mtnbkr]

Bush needs a song.

The Ballad of a Man Called Bush.  Sung to the tune of The Ballad of a Man called Jayne.

Bush, the man they call Bush...
He robbed from the Americans
And he gave to the Kurds
Stood up to Saddam
And he gave him what for
Our love for him now
Ain't hard to explain
The Hero of Iraq
The man they call Bush...

Looks like Bush found the crappy town where he's a hero.

Chris

[Fly320s]

name one "republican" who has?  (aside from ron paul)

Not sure I can. But this thread is about Bush, not someone else. Grislyatoms seems upset by the Bush-bashers, but it seems to me that Bush deserves plenty of bashing. He did do plenty of good, but that doesn't mean we can't point out his flaws.

I imagine Obama has done something good, yet we still bash him for all the crap he does.  Bin Laden was killed under Obama's command, so Obama gets at least partial credit for that, but that one act isn't enough to undo all the other garbage he has tried.

[grislyatoms]

Huh.

I remember a lot of flag-waving when G.W. said " we will not tolerate this" when he was standing on the rubble of the world trade center. Folks LEAPT out of that building to keep from burning to death. Our countrymen.
G.W. said "Enough" and kicked ass.
When was the last attack on our soil? Credit Barack "bow to foreign heads of state" Obama for that?

He (Saddam Hussein) gassed the Kurds. Have you not seen the photos? Mothers trying to keep gas out of their babie's lungs. He was on a wholesale genocidal rage and the world acted as if all was o.k.  I'll post the pics if I must/can. Yet G.W. is villified as Public Enemy #1.

G.W. and the U.S. military heeled that dog, and in Saddam's case, put him down. He deserved it. Honestly, wanna see the pics?

[seeker_two]

I imagine Obama has done something good....

Prove it.....

[grislyatoms]

WHY? Those folks sent 3,000 or so of our countrymen to their graves. Over THEOLOGY. I see folks becoming complacent about it and it pisses me off.

A few replies came in before I replied. That's the way of internet communication, I guess.

mntnbkr. So my opinion is to be ridiculed with a comparison to a sci-fi show? I would think better of a moderator. Aside, because I try not to let superfluous arguments cloud my judgement. What exactly is your argument?

Sock monkey/fistful: That horse ain't dead yet.  G.W. was the first President with the balls to look Islamic extremism in the face and face off/call out the dogs. It was a ballsy decision and I applaud it 100%. ( Since Reagan, anyway)

Y'all wanna play pansy foreign policy, go ahead. Don't expect my support.

[MicroBalrog]

WHY? Those folks sent 3,000 or so of our countrymen to their graves. Over THEOLOGY. I see folks becoming complacent about it and it pisses me off.

And America took the war to them, killed the guy who did it, and inflicted devastating damage to the terrorist infrastructure. What's next?

[grislyatoms]

And America took the war to them, killed the guy who did it, and inflicted devastating damage to the terrorist infrastructure. What's next?

MB - That the one man who said "ENOUGH" is being thrown, for all intents and purposes, under the bus.

[MillCreek]

Out of sheer curiosity, why did you pick the Kurds as an example?  As opposed to other acts of genocidal violence, such as Bosnia, Rwanda, the Sudan or a host of others that have occurred under a number of Administrations?

[grislyatoms]

Out of sheer curiosity, why did you pick the Kurds as an example?  As opposed to other acts of genocidal violence, such as Bosnia, Rwanda, the Sudan or a host of others that have occurred under a number of Administrations?

I am more familiar with the Kurds. Beyond articles, I worked with a Turk who HATED Kurds but when queried, could not produce a valid argument. Anecdotal, sorry. I don't have anything better.

[zxcvbob]

[Jamisjockey]

Huh.

I remember a lot of flag-waving when G.W. said " we will not tolerate this" when he was standing on the rubble of the world trade center. Folks LEAPT out of that building to keep from burning to death. Our countrymen.
G.W. said "Enough" and kicked ass.
When was the last attack on our soil? Credit Barack "bow to foreign heads of state" Obama for that?

He (Saddam Hussein) gassed the Kurds. Have you not seen the photos? Mothers trying to keep gas out of their babie's lungs. He was on a wholesale genocidal rage and the world acted as if all was o.k.  I'll post the pics if I must/can. Yet G.W. is villified as Public Enemy #1.

G.W. and the U.S. military heeled that dog, and in Saddam's case, put him down. He deserved it. Honestly, wanna see the pics?

Attacking Afghanistan was the right call.  Staying and nation building?  Not something I agree with.  We'll never domesticate that cesspool.

However, any links between 9/11 and Hussein were weak at best.  So what we ended up doing was the corrupt and disfunctional UN's bidding.
And "he deserved it" isn't cause to push for war against a soverign nation.  If we were going off that standard, we'd drop our troops at one end of Africa and pick them up in North Korea when they're done pushing East.

Politics. Moving it.

[grislyatoms]

He gave us the Patriot Act, the TSA, Homeland Security, and Barack Obama.  His first duty is to the people of the United States.  I don't care what happens to people in Iraq or even Europe.  Just like I don't expect them to care about us.

Chris

Point of contention - GW did that all by himself, did he? He created the Patriot Act, the TSA, and Homeland Security all by executive order? No Congressional influence? Don't sell me bridges.

[mtnbkr]

Point of contention - GW did that all by himself, did he? He created the Patriot Act, the TSA, and Homeland Security all by executive order? No Congressional influence? Don't sell me bridges.

He didn't oppose them, nor did he refuse to sign the Patriot Act when it hit his desk (FWIW, neither has Obama).
I clearly remember him stumping for DHS.

Y'all wanna play pansy foreign policy, go ahead. Don't expect my support.

It's not pansy foreign policy to not appreciate wasting our soldiers and treasury on a cesspool who doesn't care about us beyond what we can do for them. 

BTW, OBL won this one.  Yeah, he's dead, but look at the damage done to our nation in the meantime.  That was his goal.  He never had a chance at military conquest, he wanted to destroy our way of life and our heart.  I'd say he did a damn fine job.  Or maybe you like the TSA feeling up your daughters...

Chris

[grislyatoms]

Well, in the " I still have a sense of humor" vein, that's pretty funny! 

[MillCreek]

I am more familiar with the Kurds. Beyond articles, I worked with a Turk who HATED Kurds but when queried, could not produce a valid argument. Anecdotal, sorry. I don't have anything better.

A friend of mine from chemistry school was in the Army Chemical Corps in the 1980's.  Through a variety of means, the US Government came into possession of various soil, bomb fragment and bodily fluid samples that were tested to identify the specific agents used at the Halabja massacre.  My friend was on one of the analysis teams.  They confirmed the presence of mustard gas and various nerve agents.  It is to date the largest chemical attack on a civilian population.

[Ron]

A friend of mine from chemistry school was in the Army Chemical Corps in the 1980's.  Through a variety of means, the US Government came into possession of various soil, bomb fragment and bodily fluid samples that were tested to identify the specific agents used at the Halabja massacre.  My friend was on one of the analysis teams.  They confirmed the presence of mustard gas and various nerve agents.  It is to date the largest chemical attack on a civilian population.

It's not like Saddam used WMDs at Halabja though.

[mtnbkr]

A friend of mine from chemistry school was in the Army Chemical Corps in the 1980's.  Through a variety of means, the US Government came into possession of various soil, bomb fragment and bodily fluid samples that were tested to identify the specific agents used at the Halabja massacre.  My friend was on one of the analysis teams.  They confirmed the presence of mustard gas and various nerve agents.  It is to date the largest chemical attack on a civilian population.

And I wonder what we'll find if we ever get unfettered access to North Korea...

Point is, there are a lot of bad people running cesspool nations.  That has always been the case.  Frankly, it isn't worth our time, effort, and resources to correct that. 

Chris

[Jamisjockey]

Point of contention - GW did that all by himself, did he? He created the Patriot Act, the TSA, and Homeland Security all by executive order? No Congressional influence? Don't sell me bridges.

Oh, don't think that I've counted out any of those chuckleheads.
But the President is also considered the party leader, especially when that party controls the legislative branches as well.  They had up until 2006, with Bush as the head of the party and government, to pass all sorts of nefarious laws.  And they did.
Bush stumped hard for the Patriot act, TSA, War in Iraq, TARP I, and the Neverending War on Terror.

Answer this question:
Are you more free, or less free, post 9/11?