Author Topic: Iranians behaving badlly... (Read 12865 times)

Hutch · « **on:** February 06, 2012, 08:21:48 AM »

If this belongs in a different forum, feel free etc.

I realize the analysis is from WND, but the primary site is in Farsi

http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/ayatollah-kill-all-jews-annihilate-israel/

Seems like the Persians, or at least the leadership, is ratcheting up the rhetoric. How long before Bebe takes them seriously enough to throw the first punch? I don't think the state of Israel could withstand a '73 Yom Kipper-style first strike with any WMDs. Just sayin'.

wmenorr67 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 06, 2012, 08:45:08 AM »

They just are itching to start a revolution of their own people. Banning Barbie and Simpson dolls is just the start.

Blakenzy · « **Reply #2 on:** February 06, 2012, 09:05:30 AM »

Sorry, no outrage here. That's the response you get when you are constantly threatening to bomb another country and destroy their infrastructure.

It is not in vain that Meir Dagan is issuing stern warnings about what "Bibi" wants to do. Why on Earth should Israel expect there to be no reaction to its actions?

Monkeyleg · « **Reply #3 on:** February 06, 2012, 10:20:05 AM »

Yes, but the Iranian reaction to what "Bibi" is saying is by far eclipsing what people will read about Israel's statements. The Iranians are getting the really bad press for being totally nuts. All in all not a bad PR move on Israel's part.

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #4 on:** February 06, 2012, 11:36:49 AM »

Quote from: Blakenzy on February 06, 2012, 09:05:30 AM

Sorry, no outrage here. That's the response you get when you are constantly threatening to bomb another country and destroy their infrastructure.

It is not in vain that Meir Dagan is issuing stern warnings about what "Bibi" wants to do. Why on Earth should Israel expect there to be no reaction to its actions?

What is it that Bibi wants to do, Oh Wise One?

longeyes · « **Reply #5 on:** February 06, 2012, 05:07:29 PM »

Perhaps to pre-empt the attack that will render you mute in your own land...?

Blakenzy · « **Reply #6 on:** February 06, 2012, 06:37:22 PM »

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What is it that Bibi wants to do, Oh Wise One?

Attack Iran, preemptive strike, destruction of nuclear facilities and military capabilities, etc. Same old, same old.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/is-israel-preparing-to-attack-iran/2012/02/02/gIQANjfTkQ_story.html

..plans which were called stupid by the former Mossad cheif Meir Dagan, FWIW.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/04/world/middleeast/04mossad.html?_r=1

Just to clarify, when I said I am not outraged, I mean that it is not shocking or surprising that such statements were made. It was more than obvious that such rhetoric would eventually surface amid all the pre-war tension and threat issuing. I do not agree with or endorse it though, just saw it coming a mile away... and Israeli leadership probably did too.

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #7 on:** February 06, 2012, 06:54:59 PM »

I doubt very much Israel will strike at Iran at all, and probably notthis year.

longeyes · « **Reply #8 on:** February 06, 2012, 07:08:53 PM »

And do you equally doubt that Iran will strike Israel pre-emptively when she has the opportunity?

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #9 on:** February 06, 2012, 07:16:41 PM »

Quote from: longeyes on February 06, 2012, 07:08:53 PM

And do you equally doubt that Iran will strike Israel pre-emptively when she has the opportunity?

Quite.

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #10 on:** February 06, 2012, 07:22:43 PM »

Let's refresh our memory as to how reliable these predictions are:

Israeli minister: A nuclear Iran by 2005

Iran Will Have Nuclear Weapons by 2008
Iran Nuclear Bomb Could Be possible by 2009
Iran Could Have Ability to Build a Nuclear Bomb by 2010, Study Warns
Israel: Iran will have Nuclear weapons by 2011

Just how many times do these people need to be wrong before we stop trusting them?

TommyGunn · « **Reply #11 on:** February 06, 2012, 07:39:08 PM »

Yeah, it's like the old proverb about "the boy who cried wolf."

Oh wait .... the last time the wolf was real.

Iran does have a nuclear program, right? I mean one designed for building a BOMB, not a reactor. Because, nebulous "projections" aside, it seems to me that so long as they keep working on one then sooner or later they will eventually figure out how to do it.
And remember, the stuxnet virus has thrown a wrench into their program......

HankB · « **Reply #12 on:** February 06, 2012, 07:43:58 PM »

Iranians have never behaved other than "badly" during my living memory . . .

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #13 on:** February 06, 2012, 07:47:17 PM »

Further on this topic:

Israel may launch strike on Iran as soon as next month to prevent development of nuclear weapons (November 2011)
CIA Veteran: Israel to Attack Iran In Fall (July 2011)
Former Def. Minister: Israel Will Attack Iran by November (July 2010)
Expect Israel to hit Iran without warning
(August 2009)_
Israel will Attack Iran Before New US President sworn in, John Bolton Predicts
What Will Israel Do? A Unilateral Strike on Iran is more Likely... [December 2007]
Is Israel Planning To Attack Iran? August 21, 2004

HankB · « **Reply #14 on:** February 06, 2012, 08:29:31 PM »

Micro, that just shows you that making predictions is difficult.

Especially about the future.

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #15 on:** February 06, 2012, 08:39:01 PM »

Quote from: HankB on February 06, 2012, 08:29:31 PM

Micro, that just shows you that making predictions is difficult.

Especially about the future.

What is specifically shows you is that various 'Middle East security experts' and other such modern-day sooth-sayers are just a modern-day version of the professional soothsayers of old, as reliable - and probably as honest.

De Selby · « **Reply #16 on:** February 06, 2012, 09:45:55 PM »

Quote from: TommyGunn on February 06, 2012, 07:39:08 PM

Yeah, it's like the old proverb about "the boy who cried wolf."

Oh wait .... the last time the wolf was real.

Iran does have a nuclear program, right? I mean one designed for building a BOMB, not a reactor. Because, nebulous "projections" aside, it seems to me that so long as they keep working on one then sooner or later they will eventually figure out how to do it.
And remember, the stuxnet virus has thrown a wrench into their program......

Uh, when did we confirm that Iran has a program for building a bomb?

They've repeatedly said that atomic bombs are satanic and banned under Islamic law, and inspectors have never found evidence that the program is developing materials that could be used in a bomb.

I agree that it's likely they would want a bomb, but is there any proof of this?

Jamisjockey · « **Reply #17 on:** February 06, 2012, 10:28:54 PM »

Quote from: MicroBalrog on February 06, 2012, 08:39:01 PM

What is specifically shows you is that various 'Middle East security experts' and other such modern-day sooth-sayers are just a modern-day version of the professional soothsayers of old, as reliable - and probably as honest.

Middle east security "experts" have a vested interest in stoking instability and claiming the skies falling.

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #18 on:** February 06, 2012, 10:58:44 PM »

Quote from: De Selby on February 06, 2012, 09:45:55 PM

Uh, when did we confirm that Iran has a program for building a bomb?

They've repeatedly said that atomic bombs are satanic and banned under Islamic law, and inspectors have never found evidence that the program is developing materials that could be used in a bomb.

I agree that it's likely they would want a bomb, but is there any proof of this?

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/15/opinion/cronin-iran-nuclear-threat/index.html

For the better part of a decade, the world has seen an episodic stream of predictions that Iran was on the cusp of building a nuclear weapon and that an Israeli or American pre-emptive military strike was imminent. Alarming forecasts are again gaining currency because of a new assessment issued by the United Nations nuclear watchdog: The International Atomic Energy Agency reported last week that Iran appears to be trying to develop a nuclear weapon.

The specter of a nuclear weapon in the hands of someone as erratic as Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would weigh heavily on decision-makers in Israel, Saudi Arabia and Turkey and throughout the international community.

If and when Iran is seen as becoming the world's 10th known nuclear power, many experts see danger mounting, whether from the "Iranian bomb" or from having to "bomb Iran." The prospect alone has been enough to muscle national security to the forefront of the 2012 U.S. presidential election, a contest that heretofore has focused on economic issues. As Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham recently put it, if Iran gets "a nuclear weapon, the world is going to go into darkness."
Patrick Cronin
Patrick Cronin

Relying on satellite imagery and other information, the IAEA suggests that Iran has advanced nuclear weapons development at its Parchin military complex, about 20 miles southeast of Tehran. Experts estimate that Iran could make enough weapons-grade enriched uranium for a nuclear weapon within six months. Thus, even if Iran's claims of peaceful intent were true, Iran is shortening the timeline needed to achieve a nuclear-weapon breakout. Iran's checkered track record on nuclear transparency encourages worst-case analysis.

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #19 on:** February 06, 2012, 11:30:00 PM »

http://news.yahoo.com/us-iran-not-yet-decided-build-nuclear-bomb-140132073.html

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Defense Secretary Leon Panetta says Iran is laying the groundwork for making nuclear weapons someday, but is not yet building a bomb and called for continued diplomatic and economic pressure to persuade Tehran not to take that step.
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TommyGunn · « **Reply #20 on:** February 06, 2012, 11:32:01 PM »

Quote from: De Selby on February 06, 2012, 09:45:55 PM

Uh, when did we confirm that Iran has a program for building a bomb?

They've repeatedly said that atomic bombs are satanic and banned under Islamic law, and inspectors have never found evidence that the program is developing materials that could be used in a bomb.

I agree that it's likely they would want a bomb, but is there any proof of this?

They have a military program and a whole slew of centrifuges going ..... I think we know what's going on.....

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #21 on:** February 06, 2012, 11:32:58 PM »

More on the glory of 'experts':

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SECRETARY CLINTON: With respect to Egypt, which, as your question implied, like many countries in the region, has been experiencing demonstrations. We know that they’ve occurred not only in Cairo but around the country, and we’re monitoring that very closely. We support the fundamental right of expression and assembly for all people, and we urge that all parties exercise restraint and refrain from violence. But our assessment is that the Egyptian Government is stable and is looking for ways to respond to the legitimate needs and interests of the Egyptian people.

http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2011/01/155280.htm

De Selby · « **Reply #22 on:** February 06, 2012, 11:39:19 PM »

Quote from: TommyGunn on February 06, 2012, 11:32:01 PM

They have a military program and a whole slew of centrifuges going ..... I think we know what's going on.....

Yeah, no - the centrifuges that were wrecked by stuxnet were under inspection and were not capable of bombmaking. They are not a military program, and there's no proof of an alternative program out there.

Hey CSD, have a look at what that report actually says - "They're getting better at nuke science, so someday they might be in a position to build a facility that can be used to develop materials that can be used for a reactor that makes parts for a bomb." Yeah, that's certain! And its imminence could not be in doubt!

TommyGunn · « **Reply #23 on:** February 06, 2012, 11:51:02 PM »

Quote from: De Selby on February 06, 2012, 11:39:19 PM

Yeah, no - the centrifuges that were wrecked by stuxnet were under inspection and were not capable of bombmaking. They are not a military program, and there's no proof of an alternative program out there.

Hey CSD, have a look at what that report actually says - "They're getting better at nuke science, so someday they might be in a position to build a facility that can be used to develop materials that can be used for a reactor that makes parts for a bomb." Yeah, that's certain! And its imminence could not be in doubt!

Have you read some of the other posts in between this last and mine?

I don't think their nuke program is buried in underground bunkers because they're manufacturing tiddly winks games.

De Selby · « **Reply #24 on:** February 06, 2012, 11:57:05 PM »

Quote from: TommyGunn on February 06, 2012, 11:51:02 PM

Have you read some of the other posts in between this last and mine?

I don't think their nuke program is buried in underground bunkers because they're manufacturing tiddly winks games.

So that's the proof? The fact that it's hardened against bombing means it's for a bomb???

Gee, I wonder why they'd put anything under ground after having been bombed repeatedly by Israel and the United States....it must be something they're hiding!

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