Iranians behaving badlly...

[TommyGunn]

     Just   

[wmenorr67]

Gee, I wonder why they'd put anything under ground after having been bombed repeatedly by Israel and the United States....it must be something they're hiding!

Repeated bombings by Israel and the United States?  Show me proof as to when that has happened even once, much less repeatedly.

[De Selby]

Repeated bombings by Israel and the United States?  Show me proof as to when that has happened even once, much less repeatedly.

Well, let's see:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis

Then there was diplomatic support to protect Saddam's use of chemical weapons, which were actually used on Iran: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/iraq47.pdf  Not to mention the US's own role in helping Iran's enemy to have that wonderful chemical weapons technology.

On the Israel side, there was this (granted, they were impersonating Americans, but that's still Israel fomenting bombings in Iran):  http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/01/13/false_flag

And of course there's no public proof that the US or Israel engaged in the terrorist attacks against Iranian scientists recently...but that's pretty suspect, don't you think?

[wmenorr67]

Well, let's see:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis

In response to the mining of the Persian Gulf which damaged a US warship.  Justified.

Then there was diplomatic support to protect Saddam's use of chemical weapons, which were actually used on Iran: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/iraq47.pdf  Not to mention the US's own role in helping Iran's enemy to have that wonderful chemical weapons technology.

What about Iran/Contra where we sold weapons to Iran?

On the Israel side, there was this (granted, they were impersonating Americans, but that's still Israel fomenting bombings in Iran):  http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/01/13/false_flag

And of course there's no public proof that the US or Israel engaged in the terrorist attacks against Iranian scientists recently...but that's pretty suspect, don't you think?

So you have failed in answering my question.  You have shown one case of where the United States bomb Iran.  Where are the repeated bombing you speak of.  Once again De Selby you are trying to be a troll and you are a miserable failure at it.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

so that would be a no to repeated bombings?  by either the us or israel?  not that repeated bombings isn't a good idea

[De Selby]

Wait a second here - I've shown an example of multiple ships being sunk, oil platforms being bombed, chemical weapons tech being supplied to a guy who actually used them against Iran...and then evidence of Israeli agents helping a terrorist group to bomb Iran (which they did, multiple times.)

How on earth does that fail to answer your question?  You asked for proof of the US bombing Iran even once, much less repeatedly.  Undoubtedly you can read about more than one bombing at the links above.

Are you alleging that those are fake, or that multiple bombings can only be counted as one?

[wmenorr67]

The multiple bombings you speak of were from one incident.  I give you that but I don't count that as mulitple bombings.

When it comes to the Iran/Iraq War we played both sides to the middle on that.

[Monkeyleg]

"Multiple ships" = one warship and one small gunboat. Not exactly Midway.

This was after Iran mined the Persian Gulf.

[MicroBalrog]

Why would any reasonable nation that has been in multiple wars recently, losing almost all  of them too, not fortify everything important?

[Monkeyleg]

Why would any reasonable nation that has been in multiple wars recently, losing almost all  of them too, not fortify everything important?

Why would such a nation repeatedly threaten another nation such as Israel, one that's been in multiple wars and has won nearly all of them?

[MicroBalrog]

Why would such a nation repeatedly threaten another nation such as Israel, one that's been in multiple wars and has won nearly all of them?

Their threats seem to boil down to:

"Israel needs to be destroyed"

"If Israel attacks us, we'll kill them all."

[Monkeyleg]

Their threats seem to boil down to:

"Israel needs to be destroyed"

"If Israel attacks us, we'll kill them all."

Well, you're closer to the action, obviously, but we'll see. I don't know that I'd dismiss their threats so easily.

[TommyGunn]

Well, let's see:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis

Operation Praying Mantis was an attack on April 18, 1988, by U.S. naval forces within Iranian territorial waters in retaliation for the Iranian mining of the Persian Gulf during the Iran–Iraq war and the subsequent damage to an American warship.

 

Yeah, God forbid we should RETALIATE against an Iranian action that damaged one of our vessels......   Poor wittle Iwan.......

[Boomhauer]

Iran isn't building a reactor for cheap electricity, that's for damn sure.

If you are capable of implementing nuclear technology, you're a fool for not building a nuclear bomb with it. It's the ultimate weapon and the ultimate deterrence. The people that run Iran are psychopaths, but they aren't stupid. They know they can poke and provoke others in today's world of nations run by pansies and get away with it, and so that's what they do. And they know that they can get away with becoming a nuclear power...

[longeyes]

More on the glory of 'experts':

http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2011/01/155280.htm

The problem is not with experts, it's with LIARS.  "Smart diplomacy" means Machiavellian diplomacy.  What do you think Clinton, Rice, and Power are up to?  What does the "responsibility to protect" imply?

[MicroBalrog]

Further on this topic:

Israel may launch strike on Iran as soon as next month to prevent development of nuclear weapons (November 2011)
CIA Veteran: Israel to Attack Iran In Fall (July 2011)
Former Def. Minister: Israel Will Attack Iran by November (July 2010)
Expect Israel to hit Iran without warning
(August 2009)_
Israel will Attack Iran Before New US President sworn in, John Bolton Predicts
What Will Israel Do? A Unilateral Strike on Iran is more Likely... [December 2007]
Is Israel Planning To Attack Iran? August 21, 2004

Israel Will Strike Iran To Prevent a Second Holocaust, says Krauthammer.

[roo_ster]

Iran isn't building a reactor for cheap electricity, that's for damn sure.

If you are capable of implementing nuclear technology, you're a fool for not building a nuclear bomb with it. It's the ultimate weapon and the ultimate deterrence. The people that run Iran are psychopaths, but they aren't stupid. They know they can poke and provoke others in today's world of nations run by pansies and get away with it, and so that's what they do. And they know that they can get away with becoming a nuclear power...

They need nukes because they have no petroleum resources to burn and produce electricity.  I am sure that it the reason.

[MicroBalrog]

They need nukes because they have no petroleum resources to burn and produce electricity.  I am sure that it the reason.

Makes more sense than you think.

Sell the expensive oil to foreigners. Use nuclear power for yourself. Get nuclear weapons too.


Same thing Russia is doing.

[kgbsquirrel]

They need nukes because they have no petroleum resources to burn and produce electricity.  I am sure that it the reason.

Despite the sarcasm that actually isn't very far off. Their crude oil production is high, but their domestic refining capacity is miniscule, they actually have to import gasoline and other distillates to meet the local demands (and were forced to begin rationing with those imports were interrupted).

[MechAg94]

Despite the sarcasm that actually isn't very far off. Their crude oil production is high, but their domestic refining capacity is miniscule, they actually have to import gasoline and other distillates to meet the local demands (and were forced to begin rationing with those imports were interrupted).

I was about to add that as well.  They don't refine enough there.  I think part of that is the continued sanctions. 

Of course, if I were leading one of those middle eastern oil baron governments, I think I'd be looking at the post-oil situation closely.  What happens when you run out?

That said, other than bombing them or invading them, I am not quite sure how we would prevent them from developing nuclear power/weapons in time.  We might slow them, but I doubt we would stop them if they didn't want to stop.

[longeyes]

Buy time, and keep buying it until they get the idea. 

They need nukes for electrical power?  Okay.  But why hardened nukes and no inspections?  Just askin'.

[roo_ster]

I was about to add that as well.  They don't refine enough there.  I think part of that is the continued sanctions. 

Of course, if I were leading one of those middle eastern oil baron governments, I think I'd be looking at the post-oil situation closely.  What happens when you run out?

That said, other than bombing them or invading them, I am not quite sure how we would prevent them from developing nuclear power/weapons in time.  We might slow them, but I doubt we would stop them if they didn't want to stop.

They will ride camels again when the oil runs out.

[De Selby]

They will ride camels again when the oil runs out.

Now that's hard to say - there's no telling how much development they'll achieve once the US stops funding the ideological parents of Al Qaeda solely for the purpose of controlling the oil.

[Monkeyleg]

Who exactly are the ideological parents of Al Queda, and how much development were they achieving before we needed their oil?

[MicroBalrog]

Who exactly are the ideological parents of Al Queda, and how much development were they achieving before we needed their oil?

The Saudis.