Robot Payroll Taxes

[Boomhauer]

Ah using the same old bullshit as always...Ermagahd The PoliceFireEmsWaterSchools won't exist anymore and "I don't want rivers on fire!"

Y'all need a new playbook lol

Fact of the matter is...the producers in this country that aren't holding cushy jobs in .gov and academia are *expletive deleted*ing sick and tired of paying out the ass in taxes so mother *expletive deleted*ers can sit around on welfare all day (no it's not a low percentage,  is gonna claim that bullshit). We are tired of paying taxes so college students can get their snowflake on. We are tired of paying for a "justice system" that doesn't do *expletive deleted*it when it comes to punishing criminals. We are tired of paying for other people's healthcare while we are being raped in the ass with no lube by Obamacare. We are tired of illegals gaming the system while those of us that are law abiding get absolutely  *expletive deleted*ed. We are tired of bullshit agencies like the EPA *expletive deleted*ing our industries. We are sick and tired of the government screwing us over while the dregs of society get to do whatever the hell they want

That is why Trump got elected. It's a giant *expletive deleted*ck You to the system and to the liberals. And the way things are going he won't have to spend a dime or a minute for 2020 because the asswipes in society are loudly and proudly making the case for his reelection.

[charby]

Down here in Texas the local cities, towns and counties handle those services.  I guess they must do it differently up there in Kansas.   

And taxes fund those.

[charby]

Ah using the same old bullshit as always...Ermagahd The PoliceFireEmsWaterSchools won't exist anymore and "I don't want rivers on fire!"

Y'all need a new playbook lol

Fact of the matter is...the producers in this country that aren't holding cushy jobs in .gov and academia are *expletive deleted*ing sick and tired of paying out the ass in taxes so mother *expletive deleted*ers can sit around on welfare all day (no it's not a low percentage,  is gonna claim that bullshit). We are tired of paying taxes so college students can get their snowflake on. We are tired of paying for a "justice system" that doesn't do *expletive deleted*it when it comes to punishing criminals. We are tired of paying for other people's healthcare while we are being raped in the ass with no lube by Obamacare. We are tired of illegals gaming the system while those of us that are law abiding get absolutely  *expletive deleted*ed. We are tired of bullshit agencies like the EPA *expletive deleted*ing our industries. We are sick and tired of the government screwing us over while the dregs of society get to do whatever the hell they want

That is why Trump got elected. It's a giant *expletive deleted*ck You to the system and to the liberals. And the way things are going he won't have to spend a dime or a minute for 2020 because the asswipes in society are loudly and proudly making the case for his reelection.

Show me where a tax cut actually worked and other taxes or fees weren't raised elsewhere.

Show me an actual example where trickle down economics worked and was lasting.

[cordex]

Show me an actual example where trickle down economics worked and was lasting.

First off, anyone who says they can unpack the impact of economic policies with any degree of precision is lying. It is hard to imagine a more complex system with a greater number of factors and conflicting inputs than economics. That said, your implication seems to be that higher taxes are a net benefit to society. Is that in fact your contention?

Rent seeking is never pretty.

[MechAg94]

Show me where a tax cut actually worked and other taxes or fees weren't raised elsewhere.

Show me an actual example where trickle down economics worked and was lasting.

Just because politicians can't stop spending money doesn't mean tax cuts and supply side economic principles don't work.

[MechAg94]

And taxes fund those.

Yes, local property taxes and water/sewer fees fund those things.  The State of Texas has little to do with it beyond oversight regulations.  Those taxes and fees are even collected at the local level.  Spending cuts at the state level would have some affect somewhere, just not on police, fire, drinking water, and sewer.  Those are things local governments have typically taken care of.  Now if the City was cutting budgets, then they would threaten to cut police and fire department funding as happens in Houston regularly.   

[Perd Hapley]

And taxes fund those.

Show me where a tax cut actually worked and other taxes or fees weren't raised elsewhere.

You talk as if is a tax is a tax, and the only goal of cutting taxes is to cut taxes. For example, you refer to tax-funded emergency services. Are those funded by the state? The local government? Both? Doesn't it matter if localities are funding the fire departments that directly help them, versus sending tax money to the state capital?

Then you talk about tax revenues from one source being replaced by a higher tax somewhere else. That doesn't necessarily mean the tax cut "didn't work." It could mean the tax burden is now more fairly distributed, couldn't it?

[Scout26]

Has anyone heard from Nick1911?  Is he too busy fighting for his life to report on the hellscape that Kansas has become ??

[Perd Hapley]

I'm old enough to remember when people like charby complained that the Republican Party had too much God, and not enough fiscal conservatism. He must have got religion.  

[charby]

Just because politicians can't stop spending money doesn't mean tax cuts and supply side economic principles don't work.

Works great in theory and in intent, I see that, used to be a big believer of trickle down, but not so much anymore because I haven't seen it work as a lasting solution in reality.

[charby]

First off, anyone who says they can unpack the impact of economic policies with any degree of precision is lying. It is hard to imagine a more complex system with a greater number of factors and conflicting inputs than economics. That said, your implication seems to be that higher taxes are a net benefit to society. Is that in fact your contention?

Rent seeking is never pretty.

For the most part, stop cutting taxes, balance the budget and determine what society wants as goods and services they want provided/managed by the government.

I can buy into some higher taxes are a net benefit to society, its the haves take care of the havenot. Not as in socialism, but as the haves give a little more to keep the havenots from committing violence against the havenots. I think some social welfare is cheaper than incarceration. Public schools keep the youths from running the streets during the day and hopes that they will aquire enough education to be functioning (and hopefully productive) members of society.

Also there is a lot of common good services that comes from taxes collected, you may not be directly affected by the service, but you probably still reap the benefits. One I can think of is state meat inspectors, they visit food processing places to insure the quality of the meat being produced is fit for human consumption. Another is the weights and measures folks who certify commercial scales are accurate.

I'm still mixed on corporate income taxes, for the most part I don't think entities should pay income taxes, because their payroll should be where the taxes are collected. Property taxes, yes. Sales taxes, yes. Fuel taxes, etc. That being said, I think all incentives and bonuses to people should be paid as money (and taxed as income) and not stock or deferred comp over the maximum annual 401k contribution.

If you are business owner and choose not to incorporate, that is your own fault, expected to be taxed as an employee.

I think all tax write offs should be taken away, pick a base income where there is no income taxes are collected, then a graduated level by income to whatever percentage for the top earners. Not a flat tax.

[charby]

Yes, local property taxes and water/sewer fees fund those things.  The State of Texas has little to do with it beyond oversight regulations.  Those taxes and fees are even collected at the local level.  Spending cuts at the state level would have some affect somewhere, just not on police, fire, drinking water, and sewer.  Those are things local governments have typically taken care of.  Now if the City was cutting budgets, then they would threaten to cut police and fire department funding as happens in Houston regularly.   

They get their fair share of dollars from the state and federal government.

[charby]

You talk as if is a tax is a tax, and the only goal of cutting taxes is to cut taxes. For example, you refer to tax-funded emergency services. Are those funded by the state? The local government? Both? Doesn't it matter if localities are funding the fire departments that directly help them, versus sending tax money to the state capital?

Then you talk about tax revenues from one source being replaced by a higher tax somewhere else. That doesn't necessarily mean the tax cut "didn't work." It could mean the tax burden is now more fairly distributed, couldn't it?

Problem with diverting income taxes to consumptive taxes is that people can find ways to get out of those consumptive taxes, even on items people need day to day. Don't like the sales tax, I'll buy online and not pay taxes, well we know that is changing with one of the biggest players now charging sales tax.

[Ben]

its the haves take care of the havenot. Not as in socialism, but as the haves give a little more to keep the havenots from committing violence against the havenots. I think some social welfare is cheaper than incarceration. Public schools keep the youths from running the streets during the day and hopes that they will aquire enough education to be functioning (and hopefully productive) members of society.

I'm not sure if that's blackmail or coercion. I don't want a society where an EBT buys my or anyone else's safety. That's what a .45 is for.

I think all tax write offs should be taken away, pick a base income where there is no income taxes are collected, then a graduated level by income to whatever percentage for the top earners. Not a flat tax.

Graduated is a nice euphemism for progressive. The person who makes $20K should pay 10%.  I should pay 10%. The person who makes a bajillion gajillion dollars should pay 10%. That's all the "progression" taxes need.

[charby]

I'm not sure if that's blackmail or coercion. I don't want a society where an EBT buys my or anyone else's safety. That's what a .45 is for.

I prefer not to have to walk around with eyes in the back of head or worry about my crap getting ripped off when I'm away from home.

Graduated is a nice euphemism for progressive. The person who makes $20K should pay 10%.  I should pay 10%. The person who makes a bajillion gajillion dollars should pay 10%. That's all the "progression" taxes need.

Penalties for unreported income?

[Scout26]

I prefer not to have to walk around with eyes in the back of head or worry about my crap getting ripped off when I'm away from home.
Penalties for unreported income?

The payment of protection money hasn't done anything to reduce crimes of theft.  (See: Danegeld)


And Charby, what's with the desire for rent-seeking?   Most of what .gov does can be done by private entities for much less $$$ and far more efficiently.

.gov needs to stick to the six things outlined in the preamble of the Constitution and leave everything else alone.

[charby]

The payment of protection money hasn't done anything to reduce crimes of theft.  (See: Danegeld)


And Charby, what's with the desire for rent-seeking?   Most of what .gov does can be done by private entities for much less $$$ and far more efficiently.

.gov needs to stick to the six things outlined in the preamble of the Constitution and leave everything else alone.

Rent-seeking is that the new buzz word?

I've worked public sector my whole career dealt with contractors to do work because of labor shortages never ever been cheaper. Mostly because you can't hold them accountable and always having to spend more money on their screw ups after they left.

[Scout26]

Also there is a lot of common good services that comes from taxes collected, you may not be directly affected by the service, but you probably still reap the benefits. One I can think of is state meat inspectors, they visit food processing places to insure the quality of the meat being produced is fit for human consumption. Another is the weights and measures folks who certify commercial scales are accurate.

Which is why there are NEVER any E- coli or food-borne illness out breaks, leading to food recalls??   

And no, weights and measures folks simply make sure paperwork is done and that the stickers are current (meaning paid for), they are not in the butcher shop with weights checking scales, they are making sure the butcher has filled out paperwork showing that he checked his scale periodically to make sure it was accurate.

[Ben]

I prefer not to have to walk around with eyes in the back of head or worry about my crap getting ripped off when I'm away from home.

Michael Brown still beat up little old men. Ben Franklin's quote comes to mind here. Freedom is dangerous, but I'd rather be free than safe and a prisoner. If we're saying it's okay for the government to take our money and give it to feral urban youth so they don't hurt us, how is that different than mafia bent-noses collecting 20% of a shopkeeper's income every week "to protect his place from being burned down"?

Penalties for unreported income?

Sure. That includes the lower income brackets that don't report tips and such. The biggest problem our society has is that 50% of the population doesn't have any skin in the game.

In theory, I would not have a big problem with some tax money (though I would prefer it to be private charities) going to "havenots" given: It's someone who is truly down on their luck.  I don't mind helping the person who lost their home in a tornado and their workplace along with it, on a temporary basis until they get back on their feet. However, it has to be someone who is trying, not someone who would rather collect welfare than work at McDonald's or pick up a shovel (or is saying, "give me money or I'll mug people"). It also has to be in a society where we are only giving 10% of the population the helping hand. When you're doling out the dole to half the population, there is a big problem that more taxes are never going to fix. If anything, they will only grow the problem.

[charby]

Which is why there are NEVER any E- coli or food-borne illness out breaks, leading to food recalls??   

And no, weights and measures folks simply make sure paperwork is done and that the stickers are current (meaning paid for), they are not in the butcher shop with weights checking scales, they are making sure the butcher has filled out paperwork showing that he checked his scale periodically to make sure it was accurate.

Nothing is 100% fail-safe.

And who is going to be chacking or processing  the paperwork? How are you going to verify that scale accurate as the paperwork says it is.

[Perd Hapley]

Problem with diverting income taxes to consumptive taxes is that people can find ways to get out of those consumptive taxes, even on items people need day to day.

Firstly, that's not the only way to change tax structures. Secondly, people also find ways to avoid income tax. Thirdly, no matter who or what you tax, or how the tax is levied, or to what extent, you'll discourage people from whatever it is you're taxing. Given these three points, it's hard to find a serious argument in your above comment.

[MechAg94]

Nothing is 100% fail-safe.

Says the person who is arguing for more taxes and bigger govt because you can't decide how to make things perfect. 

[charby]

Firstly, that's not the only way to change tax structures. Secondly, people also find ways to avoid income tax. Thirdly, no matter who or what you tax, or how the tax is levied, or to what extent, you'll discourage people from whatever it is you're taxing. Given these three points, it's hard to find a serious argument in your above comment.

Likewise because I see your argument is all taxes are bad.

[MechAg94]

Works great in theory and in intent, I see that, used to be a big believer of trickle down, but not so much anymore because I haven't seen it work as a lasting solution in reality.

Since Reagan, you haven't seen any Republicans in power who believe in supply side or want it.  So I am not surprised. 

[charby]

Says the person who is arguing for more taxes and bigger govt because you can't decide how to make things perfect. 

Comes to regulatory, government is more accountable than private industry. You may not agree with what or how it's being regulated, but government is more accountable.