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« on: June 06, 2005, 12:55:31 PM »
Holy Shi'ite! Islam's double standard
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 The Pentagon has acknowledged five instances in which guards or interrogators at the detention facility in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, handled the Koran in such a way as to cause offense to some who believe it is the revealed word of Allah. Three are said to have been three deliberate and two unintentional.

Amnesty International has put the United States high on the list of countries it says are guilty of prisoner and human rights abuses because of the way suspected terrorists are treated. The chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, General Richard Myers, rebutted the notion of inappropriate treatment of detainees last weekend when he told Fox News Sunday that these are people who would "slit our throats, our children's throats" were they to be set free.

Islamic countries apply a double standard when it comes to the treatment of "holy books" and people who differ in faith and practice from Islamic dogma. While Islamic groups in the United States are engaged in "sensitivity training" sessions for non-Muslims that have included federal workers, the Ohio National Guard and U.S. Air Force Academy, there are no such training sessions directed at Muslims to teach them tolerance for non-Islamic faiths. Quite the contrary.

While the slightest verbal or physical slight of any Muslim in America is immediately condemned by activist groups and sometimes the U.S. government, the denigration of Jews and Christians throughout much of the Islamic world is theological and political business as usual. Jews are regularly referred to as "apes and pigs," mostly because that is what the Koran calls them.

According to the MEMRI-TV Monitor Project, which observes the way Jews, especially, are portrayed throughout the Middle East, a Jordanian produced program titled "Stories From Before the Verses Came Down" was aired in February on Saudi Iqra TV. The soap opera contained familiar anti-Semitic stuff, including blaming ancient Jews for distorting their own Torah to make it seem like Mohammad could not be the "true prophet" and portraying a Jewish character saying, "We are the slayers of prophets, and we live off their blood! We live for destroying them"

According to a report authored by former CIA Director James Woolsey for Freedom House, the government of Saudi Arabia has made it a practice to disseminate propaganda about Jews, Christians and America through mosques in the U.S. and through schools, many of which are funded by the extremist Wahhabi Islamic sect.

The 89-page report titled, "Saudi publications on hate ideology fill American mosques," concludes that propaganda collected from U.S. mosques shows a "totalitarian ideology of hatred that can incite to violence." The report also says such mosques are in the minority, but how many are needed to train terrorists who might attack the U.S. with biological, chemical or nuclear weapons?

Throughout much of the Islamic world, the practice of Christianity and Judaism is severely restricted, if not outlawed. The Freedom House report said Saudi publications "state that it is a religious obligation for Muslims to hate Christians and Jews" and that, under Saudi law, Muslims who convert to any other faith "are to be put to death."

In a column four years ago, The Washington Post's Richard Cohen wrote, "The Arab world is the last bastion of unbridled, unashamed, unhidden and unbelievable anti-Semitism. Hitlerian myths get published in the popular press as incontrovertible truths. The Holocaust either gets minimized or denied. & How the Arab world will ever come to terms with Israel when Israelis are portrayed as the devil incarnate is hard to figure out." Little, if anything, has changed since he wrote those words.

Despite the Western diplomatic talk about Arabs and Palestinians living in peace with even a geographically reduced Israel, the Arab world demonstrates no intention of coming to terms with Israel or the Jewish (or Christian) people, unless those terms involve their complete subjugation to Islam, or their deaths.

The State Department acknowledged for the first time during the Clinton Administration that Christians  from China, to the Sudan, to the Middle East  have become the most persecuted faith group in the world. Yet those persecutors are not pressured into the kind of sensitivity training Muslim groups in America demand at the slightest slight, whether actual, imagined or concocted.

To accept this Islamic double standard creates a significant threat to the United States.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/thomas1.asp

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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2005, 01:30:21 PM »
No big suprise there.  The media would have you believe what they want you to believe.

I personally don't have a problem with treating them and their holy books with respect.  My bigger issue is when groups like Amnesty International gets on their little war against the US because some things (that for the most part, were accidential) offend some prisoners, and that somehow puts the US on the top of Human Rights violators.
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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2005, 02:12:04 PM »
Its a book.  A freaking book.  I am not advocating burning it, but to get all enraged becasue a soldier moved or touched it, is stupid.  Now, classes will be given in proper handling of the Koran, which is BS.  I am sorry.  Islams followers will just have to move on up to the current century and out of the stone age.  I am not bashing all muslims, just the radical ones.  I do not think we need to have training on how to handle the Koran, nor do we need sensitivity training towards Muslims, if any group needs sensitivity training its the folks, and the ones who believe like they do, are the ones who flew planes into our buildings.

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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2005, 02:53:40 PM »
I'm waiting for Amnesty International to make a statement about Al Zarqawi.

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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2005, 02:56:34 PM »
Most organized religions have a double standard at some point in their history.  Judaism had it, Christianity had it, and Islam does as well.  We are just "fortunate" enough to be living in the age when Islam is going though the troublesome phase.  Its not fun, and unfortunately  for all involved its occuring at the same time that the human species has to tools for mass communications (the better to whip the masses into a frenzy) and mass destruction (the better to "wipe out the infidel/put the fear of God" into one's enemies).

Personally, I think this is payback on the Western world for the Opium Wars in China. Cheesy
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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2005, 04:10:20 PM »
We atheists don't have holy books for other people to be concerned about.
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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2005, 04:48:10 PM »
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Islamic countries apply a double standard when it comes to the treatment of "holy books" and people who differ in faith and practice from Islamic dogma.
We're talking about religions. What are you expecting, rational, logical behavior and mutual respect? rolleyes
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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2005, 12:57:23 AM »
I heard an interesting program on BBC radio a couple of weeks ago discussing how Islam is about 500 years younger than Christianity, and going through the same sort of mess that Christianity went through about 500 yars ago (Reformation / counter-Reformation, religious civil wars, conflict between supra-national religious authorities and nationalists, etc, and hopefulyl eventually bringing about a more enlightened and tollerant version of religion).

The main presenter was a Muslim scholar who thinks that the Muslim world needs to learn from Isreal how to be decent countries.

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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2005, 06:06:03 AM »
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The main presenter was a Muslim scholar who thinks that the Muslim world needs to learn from Isreal how to be decent countries.
I bet he's a really popular guy among his fellow Muslims. Tongue

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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2005, 07:05:56 AM »
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The main presenter was a Muslim scholar who thinks that the Muslim world needs to learn from Isreal how to be decent countries.
If so, I expect that he will be murdered by self-proclaimed Muslim fundamentalists any day now.

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« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2005, 10:41:24 AM »
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To accept this Islamic double standard creates a significant threat to the United States.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/thomas1.asp
*ough* Biased news source *cough*.

I don't doubt muslims aren't all that tolerant of other religions.  Just saying, the phrase "significant threat" connotates the necessity of miltary action, especially coming from the neo-cons at JWR.  Jeez, we've already conquered and colonized two muslim countries, how many more will it take before they love us?

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« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2005, 10:58:47 AM »
Huh, didn't catch that it came from a Jewish source.  Probably just a tad biased.
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« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2005, 07:28:50 AM »
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You don't have to be jewish to have a pro israeli bias.

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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2005, 08:08:31 PM »
Atek,

Pro-Israeli bias?

'Cmon.

How many nations have publicly proclaimed their dedication to the annihilation of Isreal or the Jewish people in the past 100 years?

How many people or nations have the Jewish people or Isreal publicly announced intents to annihilate?

Do the math.

The good guys are pretty clear on this one.

Also, how many terrorist groups have we found being run out of Israel, funded by Israel, or promoted by Israel?