Boss Question

[Jocassee]

Quit, or get yourself fired, and take as many of your coworkers as you can, and start your own shop.

If your corporate culture has tolerated this guy this long, you're not going to get justice.

Flip 'em the bird and die like a Viking.

[TechMan]

Quit, or get yourself fired, and take as many of your coworkers as you can, and start your own shop.

If your corporate culture has tolerated this guy this long, you're not going to get justice.

Flip 'em the bird and die like a Viking.

Viking died? How? When? Where? 

[Boomhauer]

Viking died? How? When? Where? 

Heard it was from punching a hippie. He contracted PatchouliAIDS when the nasty diseased hippie bit him.

[Tallpine]

This boss ain't from a certain sub-continent, is he 

[GigaBuist]

I figure you've got three options.

1) Quit
2) Find another job THEN quit (smarter)
3) Work with everybody else that hates the MFer and all find new jobs, quit on the same day. (That'll get noticed, dude might lose his job)

Complaints to higher-ups are easily dismissed.  It would cost more to replace the manager or fix the problem than just dismiss your complaints. 

There are two ways to make your boss look bad.

A)  Do not do your job and get paid for not doing it, which isn't ethical in my opinion.
B)  Do not do your job via quitting.

As long as the work is getting done your boss is doing his job.  He might be doing it the wrong way, and boy have I seen that, but if you continue to show up and meet company expectations he's in the clear.

[Boomhauer]

I figure you've got three options.

1) Quit
2) Find another job THEN quit (smarter)
3) Work with everybody else that hates the MFer and all find new jobs, quit on the same day. (That'll get noticed, dude might lose his job)

Complaints to higher-ups are easily dismissed.  It would cost more to replace the manager or fix the problem than just dismiss your complaints. 

There are two ways to make your boss look bad.

A)  Do not do your job and get paid for not doing it, which isn't ethical in my opinion.
B)  Do not do your job via quitting.

As long as the work is getting done your boss is doing his job.  He might be doing it the wrong way, and boy have I seen that, but if you continue to show up and meet company expectations he's in the clear.

I've done no. 3 before. About sent the idiot boss into a mental breakdown.


The problem with gathering evidence and contacting higher ups or HR is that they don't want to hear about or deal with problems. Much easier to fire the squeaky wheel and get a fresh retail drone...

[Terpsichore]

The problem with gathering evidence and contacting higher ups or HR is that they don't want to hear about or deal with problems. Much easier to fire the squeaky wheel and get a fresh retail drone...
[/quote]

And there lies the reason I've kept my mouth shut for so long.  The last time an employee went to the higher up was when GM didn't out the employees raise through.  It was documented he had earned it, but never showed on his check.  Employee kept asking what was going on, GM said he'd look into it, a month later employee went to the higher ups, got the raise, then was let go to "pursue other options".

[MechAg94]

I have to agree with some of the other comments.  There are lots of bad bosses/employers out there.  Don't waste your time or life trying to fight it.  Find another job.  If it is that bad, you can at least make sure your coworkers know why you are quitting. 

IMO, I think it is highly likely that your boss' boss and others know exactly what he is doing and tolerate it.  Hell, my company has done employee surveys.  The most recent one had results that weren't too good in some areas.  I really don't expect any changes.

[Waitone]

I've seen animals like this one before, multiple times.  Reality is management is well aware of what he is and what he is doing.  Further reality is he is doing it because his management is happy with his actions.  People like your boss maintain their position because of the good pleasure of his boss.  The only time such life forms lose their positions is when they cost their management money.  Period.  Full stop.  Money loss can take any number of forms but the common denominator is for his management to go to the hip and peel off greenbacks as a direct consequence of his actions.  Logging incidents is helpful to establish a pattern of behavior and to prove to yourselves that you are not just having a bad day.  But going through HR is a waste of time.

[ArfinGreebly]

Human (adjective, describing a type, kind, or class)

Resources (noun, denoting an object, asset, or thing)


The mission of Human Resources is to manage the company's semi-autonomous, verbally programmable, sentient, humanoid resource pool, and to keep the legally required paperwork in order, so as to protect management and the owners from government  interference.  Also to enforce compliance with company policy regarding performance, workload, scheduling, basic security, and so on, while ensuring that company policy does not conflict with relevant legal guidelines.

Notice that there is nothing in that description that speaks to the old, now obsolete, notion of "people" or "personnel."

Said differently, HR works for the owners & management, not the employees, no matter what other (non-binding) statements may have been made.

Calibrate accordingly.

[Waitone]

Found an interesting piece
http://www.undercoverlawyer.com/how-to-document-a-hostile-work-environment/