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« Reply #200 on: September 09, 2013, 02:13:54 PM »
Whoa!
Fitz and Az agree on something???  ???

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« Reply #201 on: September 09, 2013, 04:47:58 PM »
Ha, I just saw a headline that, "Kerry comment undermines Obama" and I thought it was this one about an "unbelievably small" response:

http://michellemalkin.com/2013/09/09/john-kerry-on-proposed-syria-attack-itll-be-unbelievably-small/

But instead it was this one:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/09/kerry-comment-could-undermine-obama-push-for-syria-strike/

It's almost like a sitcom at this point.
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« Reply #202 on: September 09, 2013, 04:54:55 PM »
Keystone Kops, meet the Doofus Diplomats.
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« Reply #203 on: September 09, 2013, 09:26:44 PM »
Charlie Rose's interview with Syrian President Bashar Assad is on right now.  I watched about 10 or 15 minutes of it and had to leave before I shot the teevee.

There are *no* good guys here; the Syrian government and the rebels obviously, but also Obama & Co. for wanting to interfere unilaterally, and the U.N. for not doing anything.
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« Reply #204 on: September 09, 2013, 10:20:51 PM »
The Middle East has been unsettled for centuries. Back nearly 800 years ago when the Tatar armies were approaching, the terrified Saracens sent an embassy to Britain (!) requesting aid against the invaders. Peter des Roches, an English bishop*, figured that interference would be both costly and futile, so he counseled the king: "Let the dogs devour one another and perish . . . "

He thought that Christendom could then move in and sweep up the remnants . . . didn't quite work out that way, but he was probably correct in that military intervention on behalf of the Saracens wouldn't have done much good for Britain either. Maybe our current leader community organizer should study history.


* - bishops back then were overtly involved in both military and political matters.
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« Reply #205 on: September 10, 2013, 02:50:06 AM »
Kerry's 'unbelievably small attack' remark brought to mind only this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWBUl7oT9sA
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« Reply #206 on: September 10, 2013, 08:02:48 AM »
Quote from: HankB on September 09, 2013, 10:20:51 PM
* - bishops back then were overtly involved in both military and political matters.

Bishops were (and are) learned men and at the time were trusted advisors.


(And, to further go off on a tangent, Chrome thinks "Advisor" is a misspelling.)
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« Reply #207 on: September 10, 2013, 08:32:07 AM »
Quote from: makattak on September 10, 2013, 08:02:48 AM
Bishops were (and are) learned men and at the time were trusted advisors.
And at the time, among the VERY few learned men. Much more so than even a good portion of the nobility at many points. The church then (even more so than it seems now) above perhaps your average parish priest or monk, was very much about politics.

Oh and what seems to be the latest-
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/10/war-averted-syria-apparently-accepts-russias-proposal-to-turn-over-chemical-weapons/

Funny how fast that plan came together, innit?
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« Reply #208 on: September 10, 2013, 08:54:56 AM »
Does Obama send Putin a thank you card?
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« Reply #209 on: September 10, 2013, 09:02:42 AM »
Quote from: lupinus on September 10, 2013, 08:32:07 AM
And at the time, among the VERY few learned men. Much more so than even a good portion of the nobility at many points. The church then (even more so than it seems now) above perhaps your average parish priest or monk, was very much about politics.

Indeed, religion was some way behind politics, gaining power and making money to most of the upper Church hierarchy during the Middle Ages - as the likes of of Wycliffe, Huss and Luther pointed out.  
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« Reply #210 on: September 10, 2013, 09:04:07 AM »
Quote from: Ryan in Maine on September 10, 2013, 08:54:56 AM
Does Obama send Putin a thank you card?
If that what you wanna call it  :laugh:
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« Reply #211 on: September 10, 2013, 09:19:42 AM »
Quote from: lupinus on September 10, 2013, 08:32:07 AM
Funny how fast that plan came together, innit?
Giving O and P the benefit the doubt here...

What if they were playing "good cop and bad cop" with Syria with O being the "bad cop".  Think about it, we already have a history of going into countries and breaking their stuff, so Assad had to know there was at least some chance of it happening again.  That was the stick.  Russia, after starting off with a strong objection, the slowly softening, comes up with a plan that gets rid of the weapons, but keeps Assad from being attacked.  At that point, it has to seem like a great idea.

Do you think Assad would have agreed to the Russian initiative at the start of all this?  I don't.  A risky ploy, but if intentional, it worked quite well.

If not intentional, well, we got lucky.

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« Reply #212 on: September 10, 2013, 09:52:30 AM »
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If not intentional, well, we got lucky.


I'm putin my money on lucky  ;)
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« Reply #213 on: September 10, 2013, 10:13:35 AM »
Quote from: Tallpine on September 10, 2013, 09:52:30 AM
I'm putin my money on lucky  ;)

This. Obama and Kerry being smart and adroit enough to concoct this scheme pegs my incredulity meter way past the red line...

If they were, they wouldn't have stepped into this box in the first place.
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« Reply #214 on: September 10, 2013, 10:42:31 AM »
Quote from: SADShooter on September 10, 2013, 10:13:35 AM
This. Obama and Kerry being smart and adroit enough to concoct this scheme pegs my incredulity meter way past the red line...

If they were, they wouldn't have stepped into this box in the first place.

Yeah, if it was orchestrated as good cop bad cop, Obama would have to have waffled WAY less. Bad cop to me would be us saying "We're gonna von Clausewitz your ass", with Putin coming in with a moderate proposal. Instead, we kept emphasizing how little we would do or maybe even not do, we'll have to discuss it to make sure we're inclusive and address everyone's needs, which actually to me, made Putin's option actually look more like the tough guy bad cop.

Of course I was just perusing MSNBC and  the comments there point out that this was a "masterpiece maneuver" by Obama.
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« Reply #215 on: September 10, 2013, 12:22:58 PM »
Maybe what we just witnessed is what 100 years ago was called a minstrel show
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« Reply #216 on: September 10, 2013, 01:41:57 PM »
Smart Power: In Stark Reversal, Obama Embraces Putin Plan...Which Putin Promptly Rejects[/u]

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I can't say I envy Obama's speechwriters.  First, they were instructed to draw up a "case for war" speech.  Then that got scrapped, in favor of a "diplomatic breakthrough" face-saving address, replete with empty tough-guy language.  Now what?  Obama's Syria policy is changing by the hour.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/09/10/smart-power-obama-pulls-syria-180-fully-embraces-putin-solution-n1696295

I can't say if this is true or not but if it is we sure do live in interesting times ...
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« Reply #217 on: September 10, 2013, 02:47:15 PM »
Quote from: Chester32141 on September 10, 2013, 01:41:57 PM
Smart Power: In Stark Reversal, Obama Embraces Putin Plan...Which Putin Promptly Rejects[/u]

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« Reply #218 on: September 10, 2013, 03:42:51 PM »

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« Reply #219 on: September 10, 2013, 04:22:01 PM »
Quote from: Chester32141 on September 10, 2013, 01:41:57 PM
Smart Power: In Stark Reversal, Obama Embraces Putin Plan...Which Putin Promptly Rejects[/u]

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/09/10/smart-power-obama-pulls-syria-180-fully-embraces-putin-solution-n1696295

I can't say if this is true or not but if it is we sure do live in interesting times ...


 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Did anyone besides Kerry and Obama actually think that they had a deal with Putin?
Obama is playing checkers strategy against a chess master.
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« Reply #220 on: September 10, 2013, 04:32:47 PM »
Quote from: brimic on September 10, 2013, 04:22:01 PM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Did anyone besides Kerry and Obama actually think that they had a deal with Putin?
Obama is playing checkers strategy against a chess master.

Chess, perhaps being symbolic of western imperialism, must not have been included on the community organizer curriculum track...
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« Reply #221 on: September 10, 2013, 06:13:30 PM »
Quote from: brimic on September 10, 2013, 04:22:01 PM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Did anyone besides Kerry and Obama actually think that they had a deal with Putin?
Obama is playing checkers dominoes strategy against a chess master.

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« Reply #222 on: September 10, 2013, 06:16:31 PM »
Well tonight's speech should be "interesting".    I wouldn't be surprised to see this from Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3FnpaWQJO0
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« Reply #223 on: September 10, 2013, 09:35:45 PM »
Y'know, Kerry was right.

This IS an unbelievably small response.
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« Reply #224 on: September 11, 2013, 07:50:23 AM »
Stephen Green's drunkblog of the speech.  Just start at the bottom and scroll UP:
http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2013/09/10/drunkblogging-tsyria/

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He stumbled on the word “unshakable.”

If you were looking for the telling detail, there you go.

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The blameshifting didn’t occur until the eight minute mark, so I lost a bet.

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But BOOOOOOOOOSH.

You hate Syria because of BOOOOOOSH!

I ended wars and now you won’t let me start one.

BOOOOOOOOSH.

I’m physically ill.
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