COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread

[Ben]

Just heard on the teevee that one of the reasons Pelosi got involved and threw a monkey wrench into Senate proceedings on the relief bill is that there wasn't enough planned parenthood and abortion funding in it. Which begs the (rhetorical) question of why there would be any funding for that in it at all.

Both sides were really close on this until the last minute. I'm thinking Pelosi was once again swayed into something stupid by the far left / socialist contingent of her party.

[WLJ]

Just heard on the teevee that one of the reasons Pelosi got involved and threw a monkey wrench into Senate proceedings on the relief bill is that there wasn't enough planned parenthood and abortion funding in it. Which begs the (rhetorical) question of why there would be any funding for that in it at all.

Both sides were really close on this until the last minute. I'm thinking Pelosi was once again swayed into something stupid by the far left / socialist contingent of her party.

Pelosi and many other dems are quite experienced in the game of inserting something into bills like this that they know if noticed will either get the bill block by the Rs or vetoed by the president. They then go on TV and loudly proclaim how this shows how president doesn't care for the poor helpless people while they and the MSM bury the story of the offending parts of the bill.

[WLJ]

One of the local hospitala setting up tents

[Ben]

Pelosi and many other dems are quite experienced in the game of inserting something into bills like this that they know if noticed will either get the bill block by the Rs or vetoed by the president. They then go on TV and loudly proclaim how this shows how president doesn't care for the poor helpless people while they and the MSM bury the story of the offending parts of the bill.

And it's not like Rs don't try to do the same in most instances, but this is clearly a bill (regardless of how I personally feel about tossing this kind of money around) that needs less of the 100% unrelated pork and to just get passed.

[charby]

Just heard on the teevee that one of the reasons Pelosi got involved and threw a monkey wrench into Senate proceedings on the relief bill is that there wasn't enough planned parenthood and abortion funding in it. Which begs the (rhetorical) question of why there would be any funding for that in it at all.

Both sides were really close on this until the last minute. I'm thinking Pelosi was once again swayed into something stupid by the far left / socialist contingent of her party.

I read it was related to the bailout to industry and the Dems wanted more restrictions.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-03-22/senate-leaders-close-in-on-multi-trillion-economic-rescue-package

While the two sides agree on major parts of the bill, they remain far apart on some elements. Democrats say that a $500 billion fund to bail out industries hard-hit by the economic disruption caused by the virus amounts to a “corporate slush fund” that the administration could use to reward its friends. And, they say, the bill doesn’t contain enough protections against layoffs by businesses that get federal help.

[charby]

One of the local hospitala setting up tents

Mine did last week, tents were set up to screen individuals and test those that fit the criteria.

[WLJ]

And it's not like Rs don't try to do the same in most instances, but this is clearly a bill (regardless of how I personally feel about tossing this kind of money around) that needs less of the 100% unrelated pork and to just get passed.

Huge difference is that the Rs usually don't have the MSM putting up smoke screens for them.

[Ben]

This thread is getting big enough that I may have missed this already being covered here, but apparently Italy is saying, "no respirators for those 60 and older". Considering average life expectancy for an otherwise healthy person, that' a relatively young age for the cutoff.

https://www.jpost.com/International/Israeli-doctor-in-Italy-We-no-longer-help-those-over-60-621856

[Ben]

Huge difference is that the Rs usually don't have the MSM putting up smoke screens for them.

True. If this were reversed it would be the screaming, "hang them!" news this morning on the usual cable news channels.

[charby]

This thread is getting big enough that I may have missed this already being covered here, but apparently Italy is saying, "no respirators for those 60 and older". Considering average life expectancy for an otherwise healthy person, that' a relatively young age for the cutoff.

https://www.jpost.com/International/Israeli-doctor-in-Italy-We-no-longer-help-those-over-60-621856

I wonder if 60 is retirement age in Italy? When resources are limited, you save the ones who aren't a drain on the system.

[Ben]

I read it was related to the bailout to industry and the Dems wanted more restrictions.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-03-22/senate-leaders-close-in-on-multi-trillion-economic-rescue-package

That's part of it, and the only part that places like the Times seem to be reporting. Trump seems to actually be on board regarding the stock buybacks, etc, and a back and forth on that is appropriate as it's directly related to the response bill. Planned parenthood (or the NRA if somebody on the right wants to fund them) is inappropriate.

[Ron]

CNN January 17th 2020

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/01/17/health/wuhan-virus-us-airport-screenings-china-bn/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

The rhetoric about the lack of tests for the whole country and how the government dropped the ball is politicking.

Jan 17th and they are reporting 2 dead in China.

[Ben]

I wonder if 60 is retirement age in Italy? When resources are limited, you save the ones who aren't a drain on the system.

If we did that here, there would be a pretty big demographic of welfare recipients with $200 basketball shoes and $1000 iPhones that wouldn't be put on a respirator. :)

[charby]

That's part of it, and the only part that places like the Times seem to be reporting. Trump seems to actually be on board regarding the stock buybacks, etc, and a back and forth on that is appropriate as it's directly related to the response bill. Planned parenthood (or the NRA if somebody on the right wants to fund them) is inappropriate.

I believe everyone in the House has gone home, so if they put the PP in it, they won't be there to vote in favor of any amendments from the Senate. Likewise if a senator put the PP in the bill, the house would have to vote for that amendment if it passes the Senate. BS detector is going crazy with this one.

[charby]

If we did that here, there would be a pretty big demographic of welfare recipients with $200 basketball shoes and $1000 iPhones that wouldn't be put on a respirator. :)

If it got bad enough here I can see that happening, mostly because the folks you mentioned would be going to the ER for care vs. the productive ones using their GP.

[Ben]

BS detector is going crazy with this one.

The right and left reporting on it:

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/sasse-rips-pelosi-for-trying-to-smuggle-hyde-amendment-loophole-into-coronavirus-package/

https://www.newsweek.com/abortion-debate-coronavirus-package-response-1492218

[charby]

The right and left reporting on it:

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/sasse-rips-pelosi-for-trying-to-smuggle-hyde-amendment-loophole-into-coronavirus-package/

https://www.newsweek.com/abortion-debate-coronavirus-package-response-1492218

Sounds like it was killed before it passed the house, at least it read that way in the first article you posted.

[WLJ]

Indiana

Gov. Holcomb signs stay-at-home executive order for Indiana
https://www.wave3.com/2020/03/23/holcomb-signs-stay-at-home-executive-order-indiana/

[WLJ]

Well there went the Vit D

Former CDC Chief Dr. Tom Frieden: Coronavirus infection risk may be reduced by Vitamin D
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/former-cdc-chief-tom-frieden-coronavirus-risk-may-be-reduced-with-vitamin-d

[Ben]

Sounds like it was killed before it passed the house, at least it read that way in the first article you posted.

If it was, there should be no reason for the hold up today. Though I saw the dems are also trying to sneak in lastminute green new deal stuff, so there may be new hurdles.

At any rate, at least general public opinion seems to be against them for once.

[charby]

If it was, there should be no reason for the hold up today. Though I saw the dems are also trying to sneak in lastminute green new deal stuff, so there may be new hurdles.

At any rate, at least general public opinion seems to be against them for once.

Last minute from the House right?

[Ben]

Last minute from the House right?

IDK, because from what I read, it's the senate bill that is being kiboshed.

[sumpnz]

One Boeing worker in Everett has died from the Wuhan virus.

2 people at my worksite are "presumed positive" for it now too.  My ride was working in their area on Friday.

[charby]

IDK, because from what I read, it's the senate bill that is being kiboshed.

Only because of the Dems not liking how the corporate bailout is being handled.

The other stuff was removed or not included before the House passed it. Basically can't use that as the reasons anymore.

[Ben]

Looks like it has gone back to the house, and it's now green new deal and a boatload of other non-pandemic stuff being added to the already 1800 pages.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/03/23/disgusting-heres-how-nancy-pelosi-is-using-house-dems-covid19-stimulus-bill-to-put-a-gun-to-the-head-of-america-right-now/