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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on May 26, 2021, 01:35:23 PM
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Senate confirmation hearing for ATF Director:
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/05/26/insane-sen-ted-cruz-has-atf-director-nominee-reiterate-his-desire-to-see-a-ban-on-ar-15s/
https://twitter.com/i/status/1397585833138528262
Claims it's "especially lethal" and somehow tries to throw his, "I was issued one on the ATF SWAT team" comment in to make it, I guess, sound like a "military" weapon.
I do wish someone would ask him how he would support and carry out the ban.
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Well everyone knows that once a law is passed it will immediately be all beer and skittles!
It's why murder rates in Chicago are so low -- there's a law against it!
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At least he didn't lie.
I hope this turns the confirmation into a vote on gun bans.
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Claims it's "especially lethal" and somehow tries to throw his, "I was issued one on the ATF SWAT team" comment in to make it, I guess, sound like a "military" weapon.
I wonder if he was really issued an AR-15, or if it was actually an M16 or an M4 -- with "the switch."
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I wonder if he was really issued an AR-15, or if it was actually an M16 or an M4 -- with "the switch."
Yes, I had the same thought. It would further point out deception on his part for political motives.
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More: Any semi-auto with a detachable magazine that takes greater than .22 caliber is an assault weapon.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1397596024051539974
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/05/26/absolutely-humiliated-gop-senators-try-to-get-atf-director-nominee-to-define-assault-weapon/
Also, to a tangent:
Dana Loesch
@DLoesch
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This was always about the start of banning all semi-auto. It’s why they conflate semi with full auto and throw around terms like “assault weapon” (a term only used once in an Army field guide from the 60s specifically describing full-auto).
The quote from Dana is relevant to more than him/gov. I don't know why I still watch it, but I still watch NCIS, even though for the last few years all the bad guys are "gun nuts", "militia", or taliban. I just watched the last show of the season. One scene had them cataloging stolen weapons and they specifically said, "Mark 12 Mod 1 SPR semi-automatic rifle used by the SEALs".
Kinda makes you start getting a little parnaoid thinking that media and politicians (and big tech) are all kinda working in concert to change perceptions making sure to tie something like a special purpose rifle into the SEALs, and thus give the perception that ARs are all military rifles, with semi-auto vs selective fire of little consequence in the definition.
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More: Any semi-auto with a detachable magazine that takes greater than .22 caliber is an assault weapon.
So he's saying the AR-10 & AK-47s are assault weapons but the AR-15 & AK-74 are not. :O
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So he's saying the AR-10 & AK-47s are assault weapons but the AR-15 & AK-74 are not. :O
No, he specifically said "over .22, to include .223".
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Roll with me here
Besides 22LR bullets are .223 in dia. and 223 Rem .224 [popcorn]
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I guess someone will have to develop the 219 cartridge if it doesn't exist already. I have plenty of 5.45.
Kind of silly to frame the issue that way, but I guess that is easier to put on paper in gun grabber legislation.
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We are seeing the result of trying to pretend that civility is always a worthwhile goal. Or that compromise is always good.
The proposed ATF director is against guns? Color me shocked.
Some of the younger gun celebrities have hit on the proper attitude with the "Become Ungovernable" and "Shall Not Comply" ideas. The only proper response to a law enforcement official saying they support an unconstitutional law is "No. I won't do that, and if you try to make me I will kill every cop you send. And if I survive, I'll come for you personally".
Why even pretend to be willing to compromise on a natural right? That's how we got into this situation in the first place.
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Roll with me here
Besides 22LR bullets are .223 in dia. and 223 Rem .224 [popcorn]
I realize this, but he was obviously separating out .22 rimfire and basically saying that any centerfire semi-auto is an "assault weapon".
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I realize this, but he was obviously separating out .22 rimfire and basically saying that any centerfire semi-auto is an "assault weapon".
Thought it was clear I was mocking him as much as anything else. I just can't believe something that gun ignorant came out of the mouth of someone pegged to head the ATF. Oh wait, yes I can. I got to remember who did the pegging.
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We are seeing the result of trying to pretend that civility is always a worthwhile goal. Or that compromise is always good.
The proposed ATF director is against guns? Color me shocked.
Some of the younger gun celebrities have hit on the proper attitude with the "Become Ungovernable" and "Shall Not Comply" ideas. The only proper response to a law enforcement official saying they support an unconstitutional law is "No. I won't do that, and if you try to make me I will kill every cop you send. And if I survive, I'll come for you personally".
Why even pretend to be willing to compromise on a natural right? That's how we got into this situation in the first place.
When they say "compromise", they mean compliance. They have no intention of both sides benefiting from the "compromise". I guess most people active in 2nd Amendment politics realize that by now.
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I guess someone will have to develop the 219 cartridge if it doesn't exist already. I have plenty of 5.45.
Kind of silly to frame the issue that way, but I guess that is easier to put on paper in gun grabber legislation.
.204 Ruger in an AR Platform. Loved by coyote hunters here.
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More: Any semi-auto with a detachable magazine that takes greater than .22 caliber is an assault weapon.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1397596024051539974
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/05/26/absolutely-humiliated-gop-senators-try-to-get-atf-director-nominee-to-define-assault-weapon/
Also, to a tangent:
The quote from Dana is relevant to more than him/gov. I don't know why I still watch it, but I still watch NCIS, even though for the last few years all the bad guys are "gun nuts", "militia", or taliban. I just watched the last show of the season. One scene had them cataloging stolen weapons and they specifically said, "Mark 12 Mod 1 SPR semi-automatic rifle used by the SEALs".
Kinda makes you start getting a little parnaoid thinking that media and politicians (and big tech) are all kinda working in concert to change perceptions making sure to tie something like a special purpose rifle into the SEALs, and thus give the perception that ARs are all military rifles, with semi-auto vs selective fire of little consequence in the definition.
I just watched a recording of that NCIS show. I did notice that remark. I don't even know if that gun is a real gun but I was surprised it was described as "semi-automatic." Do SEALs even use a semiauto AR style weapon? I'd think they'd have full auto AR style weapons, but use them in semiauto when called for and full auto when called for.
NCIS isn't the only tv show where bad guys are typically gun nuts, militia, or some type of rightwing kook.
It's a meme. ;/
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Early in the SPR (Special Purpose Receiver) program they used full auto M16/M4 trigger groups (auto, not burst). I've shot one of those, and it was kinda meh, honestly.
Somewhere later in the program the R changed from Receiver to Rifle, and they were built with civilian 2 stage semi trigger parts. A Mk12 Mod 1 is late enough it probably was a semi-auto.
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With respect to the ATF, I support a ban.
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With respect to the ATF, I support a ban.
Well played.
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He seemed to try to back up from that saying there was no ban in the current law, but also may have suggested they be treated as particularly deadly weapons like stuff the ATF does regulate. Not sure if that means anything, but I don't like it.
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I realize this, but he was obviously separating out .22 rimfire and basically saying that any centerfire semi-auto is an "assault weapon".
But .22 rimfire bullets aren't .22" in diameter, they're .223" or .224"
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But .22 rimfire bullets aren't .22" in diameter, they're .223" or .224"
The people who vote these laws in don't care about 0.003.
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The people who vote these laws in don't care about 0.003.
Cut .003" off a shotgun barrel and let's see how much they care....
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$20 says they confirm the asshat anyway.
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$20 says they confirm the asshat anyway.
No bet as I believe they will confirm him, too. He is exactly the kind of person the anti-gun Democrats want leading the BATFE.
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I heard the judiciary committee was half R's and half D's. If he is not voted out of the committee, D's have said they will use procedural means to bring the nomination through for a floor vote.
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The man could have said F America, pledge his allegiance to China, then pulled down his pants and wiped his butt with the constitution during the hearings and I would still expect him to be confirmed
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I'll buck the trend and question whether he'll be confirmed. It seems ATF Director is one of those positions that has often gone for very long periods with an acting in place as the critters bickered.
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I'll buck the trend and question whether he'll be confirmed. It seems ATF Director is one of those positions that has often gone for very long periods with an acting in place as the critters bickered.
I hope you're right. The cynical side of me keeps coming out more and more lately.
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Expecting someone to follow the Constitution and the Bill of Rights marks you an anti-government extremist
Vice Smears Opposition to Chipman Nomination as Crazy, Far Right Militia Conspiracy
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/vice-smears-opposition-to-chipman-nomination-as-crazy-far-right-militia-conspiracy/
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Expecting someone to follow the Construction and the Bill of Rights marks you an anti-government extremist
Vice Smears Opposition to Chipman Nomination as Crazy, Far Right Militia Conspiracy
https://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?action=post;topic=64598.25;last_msg=1307629
That's probably not the link you meant to post.
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No it wasn't.
Too many tabs open at one time and that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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Expecting someone to follow the Construction and the Bill of Rights marks you an anti-government extremist
Vice Smears Opposition to Chipman Nomination as Crazy, Far Right Militia Conspiracy
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/vice-smears-opposition-to-chipman-nomination-as-crazy-far-right-militia-conspiracy/
Always follow the Construction.
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Always follow the Construction.
Brave must have hands down the worse spelling correction engine I've ever seen. My left hand keeps skipping and hitting wrong letters and if I don't catch them Brave then comes up with some wacked out corrections. About to go back to Firefox
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Brave must have hands down the worse spelling correction engine I've ever seen. My left hand keeps skipping and hitting wrong letters and if I don't catch them Brave then comes up with some wacked out corrections. About to go back to Firefox
Brave kills ads, theoretically pays me for ads I do see and doesn't crash my computer or support Mozillas political BS. i can type and spell like csd for that
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Brave must have hands down the worse spelling correction engine I've ever seen. My left hand keeps skipping and hitting wrong letters and if I don't catch them Brave then comes up with some wacked out corrections. About to go back to Firefox
Have you tried proofreading?
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I recently got an ONN keyboard which is a typo generator. The keys are low on the surface so that the slightet touch generates a character. It also seems to miss characters, epecially the space, and the sligthest error in typing an
A kicks the caps lock on or off.
I remember having an identical problem when I switched from mechanical typewriters where you had to put some energy into the keys, to elecric ones, but I don't think it was this bad. I think its design has been influenced by the modern keyless keyboards; at least I think so.
I really have to go over every paragraph and correct stuff, which impedes the flow of the creative juices.
Butr I'll muddle through. << I left that one in as a demo. I barely brushed the "r."
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Have you tried proofreading?
Like I said, if I catch it
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By APS standards we are on topic :rofl:
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Excerpts from Chipman's testimony before the Senate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v36Bo6yTQc
Interesting how he wants to go all Minority Report on anyone who fails a background check.
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Excerpts from Chipman's testimony before the Senate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v36Bo6yTQc
Interesting how he wants to go all Minority Report on anyone who fails a background check.
Can't even speak English.
08:25 -- "What I was trying to use as self-depreciating humor ..."
That's an exact quote. What he meant to say, I think, was "self-deprecating humor."
Memo to Mr. Chipman: The Second Amendment doesn't say anything about training.
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Can't even speak English.
08:25 -- "What I was trying to use as self-depreciating humor ..."
That's an exact quote. What he meant to say, I think, was "self-deprecating humor."
Maybe his humor is tax-deductible.
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Can't even speak English.
08:25 -- "What I was trying to use as self-depreciating humor ..."
That's an exact quote. What he meant to say, I think, was "self-deprecating humor."
Memo to Mr. Chipman: The Second Amendment doesn't say anything about training.
What do you think about the notion that "well-regulated militia" refers to a well-organized (trained) militia? 'Course, it says you need free access to weapons in order to have that, so Chipman is wrong either way...
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Maybe his humor is tax-deductible.
I think you mean tax-deducible.
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What do you think about the notion that "well-regulated militia" refers to a well-organized (trained) militia?
That is what it means. It means organized, trained, and uniformly equipped. And since the M16 and M4 are the primary rifles of the U.S. military, the intent of the various revisions of the Militia Acts (going back to 1792) would be that in today's world every member of the "unorganized" militia (that's every able bodied male between the ages of 17 and 45) should be required to own an AR-15-type rifle or carbine, four 30-round magazines, and a 200-round battle pack of M193 or M855 5.56x45 ammunition. That's the rough modern equivalent of what the early militiamen were required to provide according to the militia acts of 1792:
That every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, ...
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That is what it means. It means organized, trained, and uniformly equipped. And since the M16 and M4 are the primary rifles of the U.S. military, the intent of the various revisions of the Militia Acts (going back to 1792) would be that in today's world every member of the "unorganized" militia (that's every able bodied male between the ages of 17 and 45) should be required to own an AR-15-type rifle or carbine, four 30-round magazines, and a 200-round battle pack of M193 or M855 5.56x45 ammunition. That's the rough modern equivalent of what the early militiamen were required to provide according to the militia acts of 1792:
Then it seems the amendment does have training in mind, only not the way Chipman suggests it does.
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Then it seems the amendment does have training in mind, only not the way Chipman suggests it does.
Correct. It means the old dudes who wrote it would have wanted (and expected) us ("the people") to regularly do just what the liberal bed-wetters want to claim is illegal -- go out in a field somewhere and practice militia stuff.
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Correct. It means the old dudes who wrote it would have wanted (and expected) us ("the people") to regularly do just what the liberal bed-wetters want to claim is illegal -- go out in a field somewhere and practice militia stuff.
Like in Vermont.
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Can't even speak English.
08:25 -- "What I was trying to use as self-depreciating humor ..."
That's an exact quote. What he meant to say, I think, was "self-deprecating humor."
Memo to Mr. Chipman: The Second Amendment doesn't say anything about training.
And his speech is self-defecating.
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Chipman's deleted tweets resurface:
https://www.ammoland.com/2021/07/chipmans-deleted-tweets-tell-us-all-we-need-to-know-about-his-character/
Mostly they just confirm what we already know about him.
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Most dems and MSM nowadays considered those "mainstream" views.
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And his speech is self-defecating.
Quirk of spell-Czech, or just what you mean to say?
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Did he ever get confirmed?
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Did he ever get confirmed?
No vote yet.
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Quirk of spell-Czech, or just what you mean to say?
Descriptive of what comes out of that clowns mouth.
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Even CNN think he's in trouble, maybe
Chipman has privately been holding one-on-one meetings with wayward senators to assure them he respects the Second Amendment, planning a meeting with GOP Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska on Wednesday, meeting with independent Sen. Angus King of Maine on Monday and even meeting with pro-gun groups in West Virginia and GOP Gov. Jim Justice at Sen. Joe Manchin’s request.
Some are still not sold.
CNN: Biden’s Nomination of David Chipman to Head ATF is in Real Trouble
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/cnn-bidens-nomination-of-david-chipman-to-head-atf-is-in-real-trouble/
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Almost every jackass who wants to screw over gun rights declares his or her devotion to the Second Amendment. ;/
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Almost every jackass who wants to screw over gun rights declares his or her devotion to their version of the Second Amendment. ;/
FIFY
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CNN saying Chipman's confirmation is in trouble means he is really a shoe-in for the position. This is CNN manufacturing disinformation to aid in his confirmation. He will be confirmed.
Note that according to the CNN story, he is meeting with Republicans and others that are already squishy on the 2nd.
edit for spelling
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Heh. I wonder if CNN called senators "wayward" when they weren't ready to rubber-stamp one of Trump's nominees.
(I actually don't.)
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You gun owner guys are all just a bunch of tiger kings.
https://nypost.com/2021/07/21/atf-pick-mocks-gun-buyers-as-tiger-kings-prepping-for-zombies/
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You gun owner guys are all just a bunch of tiger kings.
https://nypost.com/2021/07/21/atf-pick-mocks-gun-buyers-as-tiger-kings-prepping-for-zombies/
Well considering his ATF is usually occupied with burning children alive maybe we should see how they fare against targets with the means to shoot back.
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To dem ears this stuff makes him a shoo-in
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Well considering his ATF is usually occupied with burning children alive maybe we should see how they fare against targets with the means to shoot back.
To be fair, at Waco the ATF did go up against shooters (albeit, not ones really dedicated to killing agents, because they agreed to a ceasefire when the feds ran out of ammo) resulting in some dead revenuers.
And it was the FBI who burned the kids.
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To be fair, at Waco the ATF did go up against shooters (albeit, not ones really dedicated to killing agents, because they agreed to a ceasefire when the feds ran out of ammo) resulting in some dead revenuers.
And it was the FBI who burned the kids.
Watch the video, atf goes in a window with MP-5, a few seconds later full auto comes out the wall hitting the agents on the roof. Some of those dead agents were friendly fire. Once they use a tank on you it’s all fair anyway.
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Get an early start
Just political theater though
House Republicans push impeachment resolution against David Chipman as decision looms for moderate Senate Dems
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republicans-impeachment-chipman-democrats-atf-nominee
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Think he'll get a free pass from the dems?
But what may end up finally ending Chipman’s bid to head the nation’s firearms regulatory agency are allegations of racist remarks he made about fellow black ATF agents while working in the ATF’s Detroit office. We wrote about those allegations here back on June 22 when the American Accountability Foundation sued for access to Chipman’s ATF personnel file.
Last week, however, The Reload’s Stephen Gutowski wrote that multiple ATF agents have confirmed the reports of racist comments by Chipman and of complaints filed against him that resulted.
BREAKING: Sen. McConnell Calls on Biden To Withdraw Chipman’s Nomination to Head ATF
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/breaking-sen-mcconnell-calls-on-biden-to-withdraw-chipmans-nomination-to-head-atf/
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Where have we heard "will unite the nation" before?
Stalling: As ATF Director, David Chipman Will Unite the Nation and Make Us All Safer
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/stalling-as-atf-director-david-chipman-will-unite-the-nation-and-make-us-all-safer/
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Wow. A relatively unbiased, you might even say negative, story on Chipman by CNN.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/12/politics/chipman-kfile/index.html
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Wow. A relatively unbiased, you might even say negative, story on Chipman by CNN.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/12/politics/chipman-kfile/index.html
Even rats know when a ship is sinking.
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Where have we heard "will unite the nation" before?
Stalling: As ATF Director, David Chipman Will Unite the Nation and Make Us All Safer
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/stalling-as-atf-director-david-chipman-will-unite-the-nation-and-make-us-all-safer/
I gotta wonder if people like that assume "the nation" is the people on the left that agree with him and everyone else are people they will unite against.