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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: RevDisk on July 21, 2016, 11:03:09 AM
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So, there were problems getting the money for a new budget that was remotely possible. Republicans and Democrats (primarily between House Republicans and the Governor) eventually did unite and compromise. The compromise was throwing nicotine users of all varieties, except cigars, under the bus. Staffers generally directly admitted that cigar industry, wholesalers and lobbyists bribed enough politicians to squeak by.
Vaping folks got nailed the hardest. 40% across the board tax on everything. Including a 40% 'floor inventory' tax that will shutter the majority of vaping related shops on October 1. If your business has any vaping related products, you must pay an alleged one-time tax on all your inventory in stock within 90 days. Manufacturers, distributors, and retailers must obtain licenses from the state in order to sell products in Pennsylvania. Retailers can only purchase products from PA licensed distributors or wholesalers. Which will drive up prices dramatically. Hilariously, because it's extra Kafkaesque, nicotine free vaping liquids are also taxed at 40%.
You might say, well, people aren't stupid. Sure virtually all of the local businesses will close, but people will go online. Online orders for anything vaping related must pay 40% tax. If you try to blackmarket your supplies by not paying said 40% tax, penalties for evading the tax include up to a $5,000 fine, or prison time not to exceed five years. Consumers are “unclassified importers" in the new tax law. So, let's say you're smart and want to stockpile a horde of supplies. They thought of that too. Section 1207-A(a) will criminalize the ownership of any vape device or e-liquid that wasn’t bought from a licensed Pennsylvania seller, if purchased after Oct 1. So, potentially folks could do prison time if they don't save their receipt. Yay, prison time for folks trying to quit smoking.
Rep. Russ Diamond, R-Lebanon County put it best: "This is simply the tyranny of the majority. For legislators, it's an easy vote. It's a cheap shot at a political constituency that simply doesn't have the numbers to go to the ballot box."
Also included are taxes for Netflix, Amazon Prime, etc. Redbox will be a lot more economic after this tax passes. All digital items and services are now subject to a 6% tax.
Cigar tax status:
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/20160719_In_Pa___cigars_evade_tobacco_tax.html
http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/business/vape-shops-tobacco-users-downloaders-hit-with-taxes-1.2067177
Great headline, "'Sorry about the death': Should Pa. balance its budget off smokers trying to quit?"
http://www.pennlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/07/up_in_smoke_budget_cigarette_t.html
More information:
http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/business/vape-shops-tobacco-users-downloaders-hit-with-taxes-1.2067177
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*expletive deleted*ing Democrats (and yes, I know the Republicans were also behind this, but anymore in Pennsylvania, and many other places, there's simply NO GODDAMNED DIFFERENCE between the two parties anymore).
They blast taxes sky high, and when people respond by altering their "sins" to get around the tax, they start whining about how tax revenue isn't keeping up with projections.
That happened in New York City some years ago when they jammed up prices in the city. People either stopped, or started getting their cigarettes cheaper elsewhere. NYC politicians started crying crocodile tears that just reinforced what big hypocrites they are.
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Someone brought up an interesting point. This legally would allow the cops to hunt down travelers seen vaping on the highway.
""Unclassified importer." A consumer who purchases tobacco
products using the Internet or mail order catalogs for personal
possession or use in this Commonwealth from persons that are not licensed."
The unclassified importer doesn't have to be a resident. Possession or usage, however temporary, of unlicensed vaping equipment (which does not have to be tobacco or nicotine related) could indeed get a $5000 fine or up to 5 years in prison.
Edit: It's the perfect license for virtually printing money. Snag someone traveling on a highway. Demand proof of licensing of both the vaping unit and the liquid. No license? $5,000 fine. And a gentle reminder that if they fight it, the prosecutor can demand they do 5 years in prison. They might be able to do this for cigarettes, chew, etc as well. I guarantee some cops will see how this pans out. It'd be a gold mine for them.
Edit 2: Rereading the law, I apologize. $5k and up to 30 days in jail for some things. 5 years for other things. Consumers or unclassified importers can fall under either, depending. Businesses are definitely up to 5 years. 30 days is a lot less than 5 years, but I still think it's excessive for folks buying a legal product generally considered safer smoking alternative.
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Someone brought up an interesting point. This legally would allow the cops to hunt down travelers seen vaping on the highway.
""Unclassified importer." A consumer who purchases tobacco
products using the Internet or mail order catalogs for personal
possession or use in this Commonwealth from persons that are not licensed."
The unclassified importer doesn't have to be a resident. Possession or usage, however temporary, of unlicensed vaping equipment (which does not have to be tobacco or nicotine related) could indeed get a $5000 fine or up to 5 years in prison.
This just about mirrors the methodology of new ammo registration laws to be enacted in CA. It all goes to what we've mentioned elsewhere here. They don't care about the rule of law. They don't even care much about compliance. In fact, in many cases they are hoping for non-compliance.
It's almost cliche anymore to mention Atlas Shrugged, but here we are, criminals all.
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I'm very tempted to start a non-partisan lobbying foundation solely dedicated to punishment of these incumbents. Non-violent, obviously. But advocating voting for anyone except the people that voted for this. If you don't want to vote against your party, lobby against them in the primary. Call it "Money and Votes for Anyone Except These Wankers" or equivalent.
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This just about mirrors the methodology of new ammo registration laws to be enacted in CA.
Heh. I was about to say the same thing.
The compromise was throwing nicotine users of all varieties, except cigars, under the bus. Staffers generally directly admitted that cigar industry, wholesalers and lobbyists bribed enough politicians to squeak by.
Pipe tobacco gets hit as well?
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I'm very tempted to start a non-partisan lobbying foundation solely dedicated to punishment of these incumbents. Non-violent, obviously. But advocating voting for anyone except the people that voted for this.
Careful; they'll find a way to tax and/or criminalize anti-incumbent propaganda, too.
Should be entertaining the first time some out-of-stater with the funds and attitude to fight gets tagged while passing through with a moderate personal collection of mods, tanks and juice.
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It had become glaringly ob iojs our country does not use enough tar and feathers and\or rooe and lamp posts.
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It had become glaringly ob iojs our country does not use enough tar and feathers and\or rooe and lamp posts.
I think you've been smoking something stronger than tobacco.......either that, or your spellcheck has. ;)
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The unclassified importer doesn't have to be a resident. Possession or usage, however temporary, of unlicensed vaping equipment (which does not have to be tobacco or nicotine related) could indeed get a $5000 fine or up to 5 years in prison.
What about self-builds? A VV mod ain't exactly rocket surgery, and anyone with access to a good SMD soldering station could make some pretty nice ones.
Have a friend who did just that when his employer decided to outsource most of their R&D, and he suddenly had all the after-hours play time he wanted on the now-unused Weller rework station and laser engraver. For a while, he had a nice sideline cranking out custom-engraved CVV mods in the evenings. His cost per unit was around $20, and a vape shop on his way home would give him $80 for them, sell them for $120 and beg for more.
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I think you've been smoking something stronger than tobacco.......either that, or your spellcheck has. ;)
I was so angered by the vaping tax my fingers were quivering with rage so I could barely type into my fart smone. :laugh:
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Those that have access to military bases can go there, wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
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They blast taxes sky high, and when people respond by altering their "sins" to get around the tax, they start whining about how tax revenue isn't keeping up with projections.
QFT
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Someone brought up an interesting point. This legally would allow the cops to hunt down travelers seen vaping on the highway.
""Unclassified importer." A consumer who purchases tobacco
products using the Internet or mail order catalogs for personal
possession or use in this Commonwealth from persons that are not licensed."
This does not appear to encompass people traveling through PA from other states, or PA residents who physically drive to adjoining states to purchase their contraband. Is there some additional language that you left out? The portion you cited is very clearly and specifically limited to Internat and mail order catalog purchases.
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This does not appear to encompass people traveling through PA from other states, or PA residents who physically drive to adjoining states to purchase their contraband. Is there some additional language that you left out? The portion you cited is very clearly and specifically limited to Internat and mail order catalog purchases.
Section 1207-A(a) will criminalize the ownership of any vape device or e-liquid that wasn’t bought from a licensed Pennsylvania seller, if purchased after Oct 1.
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So what? Now I have to laminate a receipt for my mod and carry it with me? Do I need to buy a separate mod for each northern state I travel through? When I hit a state border should I stop and throw away my $200 mod so I don't enter the state with contraband, or can I go online and buy a tax stamp so its Pa legal? This is idiocy. Timing also sucks as well. My friend and I have been working on a juice line. We've got 4 flavors set to go, and then the FDA ruling comes down. Now this.
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My friend and I have been working on a juice line. We've got 4 flavors set to go, and then the FDA ruling comes down.
Thermal fog machine fluid. http://www.killsometime.com/videos/19466/Vaping-On-a-400-Watt-Fog-Machine
Granted, you'll need to sell it by the gallon, but maybe it could be the one brand I don't have to use at 36mg/mL to significantly cut down on cigs.
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Thermal fog machine fluid. http://www.killsometime.com/videos/19466/Vaping-On-a-400-Watt-Fog-Machine
Granted, you'll need to sell it by the gallon, but maybe it could be the one brand I don't have to use at 36mg/mL to significantly cut down on cigs.
How much did you smoke? If you're still on 36mg you were either a 3 pack a day guy, or you're vaping with something with an output resembling a Blucig.. What exactly are you vaping with?
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So why don't people just buy cured tobacco leaves direct from Amish farmers? I bought a few pounds about 10 years ago when I wanted to learn to roll my own cigars, like Jimmy Stewart in "Shenandoah". And I think they were from Pennsylvania. Or has that been outlawed too? I still have most of it around here somewhere, should still be good (but dried out) if moths or weevils haven't found it.
It would be very easy to shred to use for a pipe or cigarettes. It's not hard to grow your own, but curing it into something actually worth smoking is tricky.
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I plan on stockpiling enough to last me 5 years.
5ml per day is 1825ml per year. Call it 2000 for spillage or whatnot. Bulk purchase of 12mg or 18mg 50/50 VG/PG is $10 per 500ml. $40 per year. $200 for 5 year supply. Not sure how long it lasts in the freezer.
100mg (10% nicotine) is not mucher cheaper but you have to then mix it yourself. $35 for 100mg 500ml and 7x 500ml at $6 is 4000ml for $77. Not much savings for more work. Though I'm told 100mg 90% VG lasts longer in storage. I'll look into nitrogen purging and vacuum bagging.
Math, chemistry and capitalism are necessary to fight prohibitionist bipartisan scum. Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to the Gods.
So why don't people just buy cured tobacco leaves direct from Amish farmers? I bought a few pounds about 10 years ago when I wanted to learn to roll my own cigars, like Jimmy Stewart in "Shenandoah". And I think they were from Pennsylvania. Or has that been outlawed too? I still have most of it around here somewhere, should still be good (but dried out) if moths or weevils haven't found it.
It would be very easy to shred to use for a pipe or cigarettes. It's not hard to grow your own, but curing it into something actually worth smoking is tricky.
Roll your own tobacco tax jumped from $1.10 per pound to $24.78 per pound in 2009. Yes, that was a 2252.72% tax increase. Lot of the Founders grew tobacco. Wonder what their response to a 2252.72% tax hike would have been.
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Damn I just love how free we are in America. It's awesome.
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I plan on stockpiling enough to last me 5 years.
5ml per day is 1825ml per year. Call it 2000 for spillage or whatnot. Bulk purchase of 12mg or 18mg 50/50 VG/PG is $10 per 500ml. $40 per year. $200 for 5 year supply. Not sure how long it lasts in the freezer.
100mg (10% nicotine) is not mucher cheaper but you have to then mix it yourself. $35 for 100mg 500ml and 7x 500ml at $6 is 4000ml for $77. Not much savings for more work. Though I'm told 100mg 90% VG lasts longer in storage. I'll look into nitrogen purging and vacuum bagging.
Math, chemistry and capitalism are necessary to fight prohibitionist bipartisan scum. Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to the Gods.
I still have half a bottle of Black Leaf 40 (nicotine sulfate, 40%) I'll sell you. You can't buy the stuff in stores anymore because it's so toxic (only consumer pesticide I've ever seen with the DANGER warning label and a ☠ instead of CAUTION or WARNING). You'll have to work out the dosage yourself, and you better be careful.
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On the other hand, studies have shown that vaping increases the risk of cervical cancer in men by 74%.
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I still have half a bottle of Black Leaf 40 (nicotine sulfate, 40%) I'll sell you. You can't buy the stuff in stores anymore because it's so toxic (only consumer pesticide I've ever seen with the DANGER warning label and a ☠ instead of CAUTION or WARNING). You'll have to work out the dosage yourself, and you better be careful.
:lol:
I appreciate that, but unfortunately I stick with USP grade nicotine myself.
On the other hand, studies have shown that vaping increases the risk of cervical cancer in men by 74%.
Indeed. Because lower cost, higher efficiency, more compact storage, more environmental resistance and significantly reduced health risks are indeed are not manly traits.
Yep. You got us. Good one. Very original! So much creativity, and yet subtle.
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How much did you smoke? If you're still on 36mg you were either a 3 pack a day guy, or you're vaping with something with an output resembling a Blucig.. What exactly are you vaping with?
Pack a day Camels, sometimes pulling the filters out. And Protank 3 on a VV battery, though since I bumped up from a 2, I'm usually satisfied with 24mg and somewhere in the neighborhood of 4V.
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I'm very tempted to start a non-partisan lobbying foundation solely dedicated to punishment of these incumbents. Non-violent, obviously. But advocating voting for anyone except the people that voted for this. If you don't want to vote against your party, lobby against them in the primary. Call it "Money and Votes for Anyone Except These Wankers" or equivalent.
When I saw this I thought you were talking about planting illegal vaping devices in their cars or trying to tag them with the laws they voted for.
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When I saw this I thought you were talking about planting illegal vaping devices in their cars or trying to tag them with the laws they voted for.
Just start dripping juice on the hot plate of a coffee maker, and force them to define and license all the coffee pots in the state as vaping devices.
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When I saw this I thought you were talking about planting illegal vaping devices in their cars or trying to tag them with the laws they voted for.
While hilarious, probably not legal. Doesn't even have to 'illegal'. If they have possession of a vaping device and don't have proof that it's licensed (even if it is), they're theoretically get fined or jail.
Reality is, and we both know it, laws only apply to the little people. It won't be applied to the governor or any of the politicians. Besides, they likely have a lifetime supply of free cigars from the cigar wholesaler lobby. I have direct knowledge of exactly that.
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I plan on stockpiling enough to last me 5 years.
5ml per day is 1825ml per year. Call it 2000 for spillage or whatnot. Bulk purchase of 12mg or 18mg 50/50 VG/PG is $10 per 500ml. $40 per year. $200 for 5 year supply. Not sure how long it lasts in the freezer.
100mg (10% nicotine) is not mucher cheaper but you have to then mix it yourself. $35 for 100mg 500ml and 7x 500ml at $6 is 4000ml for $77. Not much savings for more work. Though I'm told 100mg 90% VG lasts longer in storage. I'll look into nitrogen purging and vacuum bagging.
Math, chemistry and capitalism are necessary to fight prohibitionist bipartisan scum. Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to the Gods.
Roll your own tobacco tax jumped from $1.10 per pound to $24.78 per pound in 2009. Yes, that was a 2252.72% tax increase. Lot of the Founders grew tobacco. Wonder what their response to a 2252.72% tax hike would have been.
When is it taxed? Can you buy unprocessed tobacco ahead of that point? I don't think there are any old-fashioned tobacco auctions anymore... Any Indians grow/sell tobacco from a reservation? It won't be taxed, but the price will be artificially high because the high taxes everywhere else.
You might have to start growing your own. AFAIK, that's not illegal yet.
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I plan on stockpiling enough to last me 5 years.
5ml per day is 1825ml per year. Call it 2000 for spillage or whatnot. Bulk purchase of 12mg or 18mg 50/50 VG/PG is $10 per 500ml. $40 per year. $200 for 5 year supply. Not sure how long it lasts in the freezer.
100mg (10% nicotine) is not mucher cheaper but you have to then mix it yourself. $35 for 100mg 500ml and 7x 500ml at $6 is 4000ml for $77. Not much savings for more work. Though I'm told 100mg 90% VG lasts longer in storage. I'll look into nitrogen purging and vacuum bagging.
Math, chemistry and capitalism are necessary to fight prohibitionist bipartisan scum. Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to the Gods.
Roll your own tobacco tax jumped from $1.10 per pound to $24.78 per pound in 2009. Yes, that was a 2252.72% tax increase. Lot of the Founders grew tobacco. Wonder what their response to a 2252.72% tax hike would have been.
It's not much work. I mix my own 120-500ml at a time. $250 in materials is enough to make about 16 liters of 12mg 60/40 PG/VG (what my stick runs best on), with flavor. That should last me about 20 years...so I make gifts :)
(Yeah I overbought, got a smoking deal on 100mg/ml)
Vacuum bag and freeze for storage. It's oxygen that ruins it.
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Damn I just love how free we are in America. It's awesome.
Must be that American exceptionalism I keep hearing about.
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When is it taxed? Can you buy unprocessed tobacco ahead of that point? I don't think there are any old-fashioned tobacco auctions anymore... Any Indians grow/sell tobacco from a reservation? It won't be taxed, but the price will be artificially high because the high taxes everywhere else.
You might have to start growing your own. AFAIK, that's not illegal yet.
Not sure. Also pipe tobacco was accidentally not insanely tax hiked. So roll your own folks have switched to that. I think they closed that 'gap'. Government gets pretty angry when they pass four digit increases in taxes and people have the nerve to respond to economic incentives for cheaper solutions. Not sure what will be the next cheaper thing than vaping. They raise taxes through the roof and then are upset when the tax doesn't bring in nearly as much as desired. Then pay more money to enforce said taxes because of significant jump in black marketing. PA is getting the jump on that, hence law pre-emptively demanding up to 5 year sentencing for leaving the state for lesser taxed products.
It's not much work. I mix my own 120-500ml at a time. $250 in materials is enough to make about 16 liters of 12mg 60/40 PG/VG (what my stick runs best on), with flavor. That should last me about 20 years...so I make gifts :)
(Yeah I overbought, got a smoking deal on 100mg/ml)
Vacuum bag and freeze for storage. It's oxygen that ruins it.
I ordered about 3000ml from Nicotine River. I'm planning on buying a mix of different types for experimenting and in case of bad run. I was familiar with freezer for storage. Need to buy a vacuum bagger. Double bagged ziplock would probably be fine in the short run. 16 liters is a bit much. For my needs. For the second. Alright, fine, I'm eying up 10 to 15 liters. Freezer space is my primary limitation.
I split between 12mg 50/50 and 100mg/ml. The 50/50 I can just pour into a bottle, add flavoring and good to go on the spot. The 100mg/ml is my long term stockpile for after tax hikes kick in. Sadly, short of doing to extremes, I don't think the fluids will last twenty years of storage.
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Not sure. Also pipe tobacco was accidentally not insanely tax hiked. So roll your own folks have switched to that. I think they closed that 'gap'. Government gets pretty angry when they pass four digit increases in taxes and people have the nerve to respond to economic incentives for cheaper solutions. Not sure what will be the next cheaper thing than vaping. They raise taxes through the roof and then are upset when the tax doesn't bring in nearly as much as desired. Then pay more money to enforce said taxes because of significant jump in black marketing. PA is getting the jump on that, hence law pre-emptively demanding up to 5 year sentencing for leaving the state for lesser taxed products.
I ordered about 3000ml from Nicotine River. I'm planning on buying a mix of different types for experimenting and in case of bad run. I was familiar with freezer for storage. Need to buy a vacuum bagger. Double bagged ziplock would probably be fine in the short run. 16 liters is a bit much. For my needs. For the second. Alright, fine, I'm eying up 10 to 15 liters. Freezer space is my primary limitation.
I split between 12mg 50/50 and 100mg/ml. The 50/50 I can just pour into a bottle, add flavoring and good to go on the spot. The 100mg/ml is my long term stockpile for after tax hikes kick in. Sadly, short of doing to extremes, I don't think the fluids will last twenty years of storage.
That's why i got the 100mg/ml, easier to freeze the two liters of that, yet avoiding the dilution precision required for small batches with the pure. Also, I know I'll be able to get USP grade VG and PG regardless of taxes and FDA :)
Agree on the 20yrs...though...I might cryo it :)
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:lol:
I appreciate that, but unfortunately I stick with USP grade nicotine myself.
Indeed. Because lower cost, higher efficiency, more compact storage, more environmental resistance and significantly reduced health risks are indeed are not manly traits.
Yep. You got us. Good one. Very original! So much creativity, and yet subtle.
Lighten up Francis =D
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^^^I am reminded of the wailing and gnashing of teeth in Olympia when gas tax revenues were falling due to people driving less and the use of electric vehicles. They passed a tax just for electric vehicles.
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Next big thing in tobacco alternatives: diy time release nicotine suppositories.
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That's why i got the 100mg/ml, easier to freeze the two liters of that, yet avoiding the dilution precision required for small batches with the pure. Also, I know I'll be able to get USP grade VG and PG regardless of taxes and FDA :)
Agree on the 20yrs...though...I might cryo it :)
I always buy the 100mg/ml mainly because it simplifies my mixing. 1 ml in a 30ml bottle gives me my preferred strength, while leaving me plenty of room for adding enough VG to my PG based flavors to get my 80/20 VG/PG mix. I'm wondering though if its better to store the nicotine in glass, or the plastic bottles it comes in. I always buy from nudenicotine as its the only place I've tried where the nic is completely flavor free.
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Next big thing in tobacco alternatives: diy time release nicotine suppositories.
How do you keep them lit?
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I always buy the 100mg/ml mainly because it simplifies my mixing. 1 ml in a 30ml bottle gives me my preferred strength, while leaving me plenty of room for adding enough VG to my PG based flavors to get my 80/20 VG/PG mix. I'm wondering though if its better to store the nicotine in glass, or the plastic bottles it comes in. I always buy from nudenicotine as its the only place I've tried where the nic is completely flavor free.
Ah, you're one of those 3mg types. I bought a "make your own coil and wick" heads to try out. I was told to move to 3mg. My problem is, it's geared towards huge vapor clouds with lower mg per bit of vapor. Mind you, I'm keeping that as a long term backup. But in the mean time, I bought a huge stock of BVC coils for the Nautilus. And I intend on rebuilding them. They're slightly tricky, but not that bad. I just regret the decent number I've tossed already. 12mg/ml is enough to get a decent amount of nicotine for a mild amount of vapor. I like being both polite and low profile.
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Ah, you're one of those 3mg types. I bought a "make your own coil and wick" heads to try out. I was told to move to 3mg. My problem is, it's geared towards huge vapor clouds with lower mg per bit of vapor. Mind you, I'm keeping that as a long term backup. But in the mean time, I bought a huge stock of BVC coils for the Nautilus. And I intend on rebuilding them. They're slightly tricky, but not that bad. I just regret the decent number I've tossed already. 12mg/ml is enough to get a decent amount of nicotine for a mild amount of vapor. I like being both polite and low profile.
I was burning coils lime crazy on that setup, I switched to 60% PG instead of 50/50 and the coil I'm on is going on over a month. Also, I find I'm using less. Those little coils have difficulty with the thicker fluids and tend to get burned out/gummed up. I also bumped up my menthol, which reduces how much I use as the flavor is stronger.
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Ah, you're one of those 3mg types. I bought a "make your own coil and wick" heads to try out. I was told to move to 3mg. My problem is, it's geared towards huge vapor clouds with lower mg per bit of vapor. Mind you, I'm keeping that as a long term backup. But in the mean time, I bought a huge stock of BVC coils for the Nautilus. And I intend on rebuilding them. They're slightly tricky, but not that bad. I just regret the decent number I've tossed already. 12mg/ml is enough to get a decent amount of nicotine for a mild amount of vapor. I like being both polite and low profile.
Indeed, I alternate between a Velocity RDA when I'm home or out with friends and a Billow V3 tank when I'm working. I'm always respectful of non vapers around me; but fortunately I'm usually in a situation where I'm not bothering anybody. If you want the best low profile tank out there, grab yourself a Kayfun. Tobecco makes the best clones. They're rebuildable only, and easy to use. I averaged about 6 months on a coil, and rewicked once a week or so. That's about a 5 minute process, and you just use organic cotton balls. I switched from the Nautilus to the Kayfun about a year ago, and it was a big improvement in flavor, plus a $10 investment in kanthal wire and organic cotton balls is probably good for about 8 or 9 years of vaping. I was using 18mg in the Nautilus, and dropped to 9mg for the Kayfun.
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Oh, thanks to all of y'all who don't feel the need to use pocket fog machines to get your nicotine. Got caught in a cloud a while back and it irritated my airway such like tobacco never has. I wondered what dude was vaping to cause the irritation and why he needed to waste so much of it in a big cloud. Maybe the vaping equivalent to "rolling coal?"
For my own part as a non-smoker/non-vape-er, I see vaping as much superior to smoking in most every dimension. Seems about as obtrusive as drinking coffee or chewing peppermint gum.
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Next big thing in tobacco alternatives: diy time release nicotine suppositories.
Oh cool.
Does it make you blow smoke out your ass?
Sent from my iPhone. Freaking autocorrect.
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Oh cool.
Does it make you blow smoke out your ass?
Sent from my iPhone. Freaking autocorrect.
For my own part, I don't need any help to do that.
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I was burning coils lime crazy on that setup, I switched to 60% PG instead of 50/50 and the coil I'm on is going on over a month. Also, I find I'm using less. Those little coils have difficulty with the thicker fluids and tend to get burned out/gummed up. I also bumped up my menthol, which reduces how much I use as the flavor is stronger.
As expensive as Aspire Nautilus coils are, they're not that great. I plan on drilling out the holes a bit, replacing the wicking material with better stuff, better wire which means more control over resistance. Bought a kit to do coils, which hey, can also be used to make my own springs if I ever needed to do so. From what you're saying, 60/40 12mg runs thinner and lasts longer before gunking up the coils. I doubt I'll be able to beat a month, but should be more consistent over that month.
Btw, moved to an IPV D3. Prefer over the iStick. 18650 batteries are cheap on Amazon. I occasionally had issues with the iStick voltage up button being hit up to max, and then hitting the control button, which fried the coil. D3 has slightly recessed control buttons.
Indeed, I alternate between a Velocity RDA when I'm home or out with friends and a Billow V3 tank when I'm working. I'm always respectful of non vapers around me; but fortunately I'm usually in a situation where I'm not bothering anybody. If you want the best low profile tank out there, grab yourself a Kayfun. Tobecco makes the best clones. They're rebuildable only, and easy to use. I averaged about 6 months on a coil, and rewicked once a week or so. That's about a 5 minute process, and you just use organic cotton balls. I switched from the Nautilus to the Kayfun about a year ago, and it was a big improvement in flavor, plus a $10 investment in kanthal wire and organic cotton balls is probably good for about 8 or 9 years of vaping. I was using 18mg in the Nautilus, and dropped to 9mg for the Kayfun.
I picked up a Griffin 25 and plan on using enough to get experienced. Essentially as a backup. Enough kanthal wire and Japanese cotton to last several decades. 100ft of wire is $6.50 on Amazon. But I'm ordering plenty of spare parts from Aspire to build a number of Nautilus heads and about 30 coils, which I can rebuild. The general notion is to use the RDA at home where the large vapor volumes aren't an issue. Nautilus for car and work.
Oddly enough, biggest problem has been shattering those pyrex shells. I really don't want to switch to stainless steel, but I'm probably going to at least buy one. Again, goal is to be self-sustainable for 5-10 years. My primary concern is screwing the revenue flow to the state at the moment.
Oh, thanks to all of y'all who don't feel the need to use pocket fog machines to get your nicotine. Got caught in a cloud a while back and it irritated my airway such like tobacco never has. I wondered what dude was vaping to cause the irritation and why he needed to waste so much of it in a big cloud. Maybe the vaping equivalent to "rolling coal?"
For my own part as a non-smoker/non-vape-er, I see vaping as much superior to smoking in most every dimension. Seems about as obtrusive as drinking coffee or chewing peppermint gum.
Oh, there's plenty of giant cloud vaping twits. I think it's rude as hell. And unfortunately, too few of them blow up their faces with massively sub ohm coils and waaaaaay too many watts. Which annoys me because I haven't found anything between sub ohm rebuildable heads which are cheap as dirt but lots of low nicotine vapor and more expensive allegedly non-rebuildable (lolz) vertical coil units with higher ohm, lower cloud level and higher nicotine level.
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I haven't found anything between sub ohm rebuildable heads which are cheap as dirt but lots of low nicotine vapor and more expensive allegedly non-rebuildable (lolz) vertical coil units with higher ohm, lower cloud level and higher nicotine level.
Seriously, look up the Kayfun tank or the Russian 91%. They're the same internal design. Similar amounts of vapor to a Nautilus. More durable, and rebuildable only. Authentics are $100+; but the Tobecco clone runs about $20 and is identical. I usually ran a 1.3-1.5 ohm build, and never fed it more then about 13 watts. The IPV looks pretty nice, I've stuck to Provari mods since I first tried one. I've been using a Radius since my pre-order showed up; but if you don't need the power, the 2.5 is down to $50, or $35 in their scratch and dent section. Perfect mod for The Nautilus or the Kayfun. Either will run all day on a single good 18650. Speaking of which, be very careful of the batteries you buy on Amazon. There's about an 80% counterfeit rate. Check out http://rtdvapor.com/ Good guy, we have a bunch of mutual friends, and everything he sells is authentic. Prices are pretty good too. PG is a fair bit thinner then VG. In the Nautilus, 50/50 was about as High a level of VG that I could get to wick properly. With everything I use now I try to keep my mixes around 80% VG. I prefer to have less throat hit.
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Seriously, look up the Kayfun tank or the Russian 91%. They're the same internal design. Similar amounts of vapor to a Nautilus. More durable, and rebuildable only. Authentics are $100+; but the Tobecco clone runs about $20 and is identical. I usually ran a 1.3-1.5 ohm build, and never fed it more then about 13 watts. The IPV looks pretty nice, I've stuck to Provari mods since I first tried one. I've been using a Radius since my pre-order showed up; but if you don't need the power, the 2.5 is down to $50, or $35 in their scratch and dent section. Perfect mod for The Nautilus or the Kayfun. Either will run all day on a single good 18650. Speaking of which, be very careful of the batteries you buy on Amazon. There's about an 80% counterfeit rate. Check out http://rtdvapor.com/ Good guy, we have a bunch of mutual friends, and everything he sells is authentic. Prices are pretty good too. PG is a fair bit thinner then VG. In the Nautilus, 50/50 was about as High a level of VG that I could get to wick properly. With everything I use now I try to keep my mixes around 80% VG. I prefer to have less throat hit.
I picked up the kayfun tobeco clone and am going to try it out.
I'll check out that site w.r.t battery/controller.
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I picked up the kayfun tobeco clone and am going to try it out.
I'll check out that site w.r.t battery/controller.
Model number and source of clone?
That site has pretty good prices. Better than amazon. I use the Samsung INR18650-25R batteries and recommend them. They're not the best, but in my opinion they're the best for the price. LG's are allegedly slightly better. I'd rather have 4 good batteries for the price of 2 awesome batteries. Also, I have two spare "The Cell Box" plastic bins with gaskets if you want 'em. Water resistant than water tight, but you could sort that out with a bead of silicone if it was an issue. Line the case with a microfiber cloth, as they have spare space for the oversized 18650 batteries. I bought a 4 pack of two battery cases off Amazon and only have 4 batteries. 4 is sufficient overkill, as the battery generally lasts me two days.
Well, I'm pondering buying 18650 flashlights. Be nice to have battery commonality.
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Model number and source of clone?
That site has pretty good prices. Better than amazon. I use the Samsung INR18650-25R batteries and recommend them. They're not the best, but in my opinion they're the best for the price. LG's are allegedly slightly better. I'd rather have 4 good batteries for the price of 2 awesome batteries. Also, I have two spare "The Cell Box" plastic bins with gaskets if you want 'em. Water resistant than water tight, but you could sort that out with a bead of silicone if it was an issue. Line the case with a microfiber cloth, as they have spare space for the oversized 18650 batteries. I bought a 4 pack of two battery cases off Amazon and only have 4 batteries. 4 is sufficient overkill, as the battery generally lasts me two days.
Well, I'm pondering buying 18650 flashlights. Be nice to have battery commonality.
Some 3-AAA flashlights will take a single 18650 in place of the battery holder. I roll up some paper to make an insulating sleeve to take up some of the extra space. And some 3-AAA flashlights are just a *little* too short to accommodate a 18650 and you have to use the shorter ones... I think they are 18500's.
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Finally got another Protank III a few weeks ago and been using it on an eGo-C Twist. Ordered up a mini Protank III from Mt Baker and a iTaste LEO to have something a little more pocket friendly. Definitely still a fan of passthrough batteries, since I can keep the iTaste with the mini charging at hand all day at work, and when I'm wandering around I grab the Twist and full size tank. At the end of the day, the larger rig goes in my bag and the smaller in my pocket. At home, it depends on what I'm doing, but usually the iTaste is just into the orange battery level by the time I get back to work the next morning.
Right now, I've got 3mg Cinnamon Roll in the full size, cranked up to just where it doesn't quite taste scorched, and 24mg Honeydew in the little one. I find that not-quite-cloudchasing with the lower levels is satisfying when I don't yet want a cig, and higher nicotine at 3.7V will stave off the craving for another 30-90 minutes depending on stress levels without utterly destroying my throat.
Anybody else tried Peaches and Cream cotton yarn for wicks? I rewicked a couple of Protank II and older style III coils with it with good results. Not sure how hard it would be to get that right with the newer style III coils, but at $8 for enough to rewick a few hundred times and crochet a good sized shawl too, it's nice to have around.
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Indeed, I alternate between a Velocity RDA when I'm home or out with friends and a Billow V3 tank when I'm working. I'm always respectful of non vapers around me; but fortunately I'm usually in a situation where I'm not bothering anybody. If you want the best low profile tank out there, grab yourself a Kayfun. Tobecco makes the best clones. They're rebuildable only, and easy to use.
Seriously, look up the Kayfun tank or the Russian 91%. They're the same internal design. Similar amounts of vapor to a Nautilus. More durable, and rebuildable only. Authentics are $100+; but the Tobecco clone runs about $20 and is identical. I usually ran a 1.3-1.5 ohm build, and never fed it more then about 13 watts. The IPV looks pretty nice, I've stuck to Provari mods since I first tried one. I've been using a Radius since my pre-order showed up; but if you don't need the power, the 2.5 is down to $50, or $35 in their scratch and dent section. Perfect mod for The Nautilus or the Kayfun. Either will run all day on a single good 18650. Speaking of which, be very careful of the batteries you buy on Amazon. There's about an 80% counterfeit rate. Check out http://rtdvapor.com/ Good guy, we have a bunch of mutual friends, and everything he sells is authentic. Prices are pretty good too. PG is a fair bit thinner then VG. In the Nautilus, 50/50 was about as High a level of VG that I could get to wick properly. With everything I use now I try to keep my mixes around 80% VG. I prefer to have less throat hit.
Finally got another Protank III a few weeks ago and been using it on an eGo-C Twist. Ordered up a mini Protank III from Mt Baker and a iTaste LEO to have something a little more pocket friendly...
Right now, I've got 3mg Cinnamon Roll in the full size, cranked up to just where it doesn't quite taste scorched, and 24mg Honeydew in the little one. I find that not-quite-cloudchasing with the lower levels is satisfying when I don't yet want a cig, and higher nicotine at 3.7V will stave off the craving for another 30-90 minutes depending on stress levels without utterly destroying my throat.
Anybody else tried Peaches and Cream cotton yarn for wicks? I rewicked a couple of Protank II and older style III coils with it with good results. Not sure how hard it would be to get that right with the newer style III coils, but at $8 for enough to rewick a few hundred times and crochet a good sized shawl too, it's nice to have around.
This must be what it's like to be a non-gunny on a gun forum.
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This must be what it's like to be a non-gunny on a gun forum.
Or when various lube threads on a bicycle forum get derailed by gunnies. I mean, let's face it; White Lightning Easy Lube is pretty much just DuPont Teflon Dry Lube that works well on nearly anything that doesn't need to either be packed with grease or total dry lubed with graphite.
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This must be what it's like to be a non-gunny on a gun forum.
It's not that bad. We're simply discussing the various issues with the flux capacitor caused by quantum horizon leveling. Specifically Birdman is more partial to certain lighter flavors and brands, Calumus is more partial to magnetic ionizing pulsars.
In gunny speak, Birdman likes 9mm, Calumus likes .45ACP.
Nothing to it.
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In gunny speak, Birdman likes 9mm, Calumus likes .45ACP.
And in gunny terms, I have a .25ACP assault rifle on one side of me and a .44 derringer on the other.
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Three pages of nerd vape speak. I didn't know that was possible.
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Three pages of nerd vape speak. I didn't know that was possible.
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ should blow your mind, then.
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It's not that bad. We're simply discussing the various issues with the flux capacitor caused by quantum horizon leveling. Specifically Birdman is more partial to certain lighter flavors and brands, Calumus is more partial to magnetic ionizing pulsars.
In gunny speak, Birdman likes 9mm, Calumus likes .45ACP.
Nothing to it.
Well, you've got me pegged actually... :laugh:
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It's not that bad. We're simply discussing the various issues with the flux capacitor caused by quantum horizon leveling. Specifically Birdman is more partial to certain lighter flavors and brands, Calumus is more partial to magnetic ionizing pulsars.
In gunny speak, Birdman likes 9mm, Calumus likes .45ACP.
Nothing to it.
Except I like pulsars...and have only two 9mm's but SEVEN 45's (not including subguns)
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Except I like pulsars...and have only two 9mm's but SEVEN 45's (not including subguns)
9mm, like I said. =D
Hey, I own... Hrm. Four 9mm? Excluding the Uzi. Only one .45
And oy. Model of clone and initial thoughts.
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And oy. Model of clone and initial thoughts.
https://www.eciggity.com/kayfun-v4-clone-by-tobeco/
That should be good. I'd suggest 28 gauge kanthal, then using the screwdriver that comes with the tank to make your coil. It ends up being the perfect size, and around 11-12 wraps should give you about a 1.5 ohm load. Then I always use CVS or Rite Aid brand organic cotton balls for the wick. Loads of vids on youtube for building guidance.
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vaping is not much better than smoking. It should be thrown under the bus.
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vaping is not much better than smoking. It should be thrown under the bus.
Exactly why?
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https://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/projects/outputs/nicotine-without-smoke-tobacco-harm-reduction-0
There you go. A study that wasn't funded by Big Tobacco, who are losing money due to vaping. Nor was it funded by Big Pharma, who's likely losing even more between nicotine replacement products, and future revenue from meds to treat smoking related illness. It also wasn't funded by a U.S. state or federal govt agency who rely on the massive tax dollars rolling in from tobacco. It also wasn't funded by a huge "non-profit" that gets a sizable amount of its funding from tobacco taxes. To be fair, it also wasn't funded by any corporation with a stake in the vaping industry.
Summery is that vaping is at least 95% safer then smoking. Like everything pertaining to "assault rifles" that you see on the news, pretty much everything reported about vaping by the mainstream media is based on slipshod studies, and self proclaimed experts who don't actually have a clue what they're talking about. Just because you don't like something personally, doesn't make it bad and worthy of banning.
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vaping is not much better than smoking. It should be thrown under the bus.
Exactly why?
[popcorn]
This is gonna be good.
:laugh:
(To non-vaping folks, Mannlicher made the equivalent of arguing the Ferrari 458 was not much better than a Pinto. Or an Uzi isn't much better than a Raven .25)
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[popcorn]
(To non-vaping folks, Mannlicher made the equivalent of arguing the Ferrari 458 was not much better than a Pinto.)
That may not have been exactly the comparison you were hoping for... :laugh:
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi78.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj94%2FCalumus%2F458fire.jpg&hash=1ddaaff530c1618cb21c6e59fe54e3307b0019b9) (http://s78.photobucket.com/user/Calumus/media/458fire.jpg.html)
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Ferraris are hot!
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=D
Also, basic chemical science 101 explanation: http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=52276.msg1067285#msg1067285
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I don't mind vaping, so long as you aren't one of the a$$holes in an indoor public place blowing clouds of...whatever that stink to high heaven.
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I don't mind vaping, so long as you aren't one of the a$$holes in an indoor public place blowing clouds of...whatever that stink to high heaven.
Plenty of people don't need to vape to do that, and nobody's passing legislation to have them forcibly deloused and Febreezed.
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Plenty of people don't need to vape to do that, and nobody's passing legislation to have them forcibly deloused and Febreezed.
If I could, my job would be more pleasant. Those stinky and buggy people end up in court. Had to spray the courtroom for bugs today...bedbugs, lice, and scabies.
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Was in Sheets in town last night and a couple of people were REALLY pissed about this.
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Sign at another cig store in town...
Cigarette prices are going up. Blame the aholes you voted for, not us.
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For my own part as a non-smoker/non-vape-er, I see vaping as much superior to smoking in most every dimension. Seems about as obtrusive as drinking coffee or chewing peppermint gum.
This. The former owner of the tax place switched from cigarettes to vaping after Illinois passed the no smoking indoors law. Not sure what his "mix" was, but the place always smelled of fresh baked chocolate chip cookies, even though the mix was not chocolate, nor cookie flavours... Nor was anyone baking cookies....
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That may not have been exactly the comparison you were hoping for... :laugh:
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi78.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj94%2FCalumus%2F458fire.jpg&hash=1ddaaff530c1618cb21c6e59fe54e3307b0019b9) (http://s78.photobucket.com/user/Calumus/media/458fire.jpg.html)
We get it....you vape...
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If I could, my job would be more pleasant. Those stinky and buggy people end up in court. Had to spray the courtroom for bugs today...bedbugs, lice, and scabies.
Maybe you could put up a sign.
"If you dress like you have some shred of respect for yourself and the court, the court will be more likely to have some shred of respect for you. In short, bathing and spending $20 at Goodwill could save you thousands in fines, jail time, or greatly improve your child custody situation."
This. The former owner of the tax place switched from cigarettes to vaping after Illinois passed the no smoking indoors law. Not sure what his "mix" was, but the place always smelled of fresh baked chocolate chip cookies, even though the mix was not chocolate, nor cookie flavours... Nor was anyone baking cookies....
Cinnamon roll seems to smell a lot more like cinnamon raisin bread. Doesn't really taste much like either, but I could see it being really pleasant with hot cocoa once the weather cools off.
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This. The former owner of the tax place switched from cigarettes to vaping after Illinois passed the no smoking indoors law. Not sure what his "mix" was, but the place always smelled of fresh baked chocolate chip cookies, even though the mix was not chocolate, nor cookie flavours... Nor was anyone baking cookies....
Sadly the much more common aroma is more akin shoving a jolly rancher up their ass and having a bout of humid farts.
Sent from my iPhone. Freaking autocorrect.
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Sadly the much more common aroma is more akin shoving a jolly rancher up their ass and having a bout of humid farts.
That you know what that smells like is sort of on the "damn, brother, don't believe I'd a told that" list.