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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Chester32141 on January 24, 2018, 12:37:42 PM
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Whose gonna end it all .... [tinfoil]
I predict that Comey will take his own life on his last opportunity ... :O
Any guess who is going to spill the beans to save their own a$$ ... [popcorn]
or who already has ... :-X
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I predict someone, somewhere will magically "find" the lost backups.
Brad
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I expect the missing texts will be found and I suspect they name names in an assignation plot against the president. But ... I predict the MSM will refuse to cover any of the scandal under the correct assumption that if they don't mention it most people won't know/care anything about it ...
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I expect the missing texts will be found and I suspect they name names in an assignation plot against the president. But ... I predict the MSM will refuse to cover any of the scandal under the correct assumption that if they don't mention it most people won't know/care anything about it ...
as·sig·na·tion
ˌasiɡˈnāSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: assignation; plural noun: assignations
1.
an appointment to meet someone in secret, typically one made by lovers.
"his assignation with an older woman"
synonyms: rendezvous, date, appointment, meeting; literary tryst
"their secret assignation"
I don't think Trump needs help in that department.
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I am just laughing at the FBI blaming Samsung for their data loss. I guess it could fly with the public, but not with anyone who has ever been issued a gov smart phone.
I also saw that Trump made fun of the "Samsung's fault" line, and of course the MSM is turning it around to say he's the one blaming Samsung and is a dummy for doing so. Freakin' worthless media.
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There is so much of this stuff out there now, when are things finally going to blow?
How long can these people keep the wheels on their bus?
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I believe nothing at all will come of it. Again, Congress is where good investigations go to die. And Jeff Sessions office is where investigations drop over an event horizon, never to be seen again.
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I believe nothing at all will come of it. Again, Congress is where good investigations go to die. And Jeff Sessions office is where investigations drop over an event horizon, never to be seen again.
Yup.
We'll probably get a few good shows out of it from Gowdey, Issa and crew though.
Nothing like a little meaningless righteous indignation to stir up your voter base.
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No need for alarm. If there is anything newsworthy there, the nooze will tell us everything we need to know!
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I believe I wrote here that I hope Trump is letting this run on purpose.
That the whole point was to get the "deep state" boys to overplay their hand and expose themselves and thus get hoist on their own petard.
Part of me wants to believe that but the other part thinks that this is just something that's out of anyone's control and when, if, it goes no one will be able to predict who goes up with it.
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It wouldn't surprise me if someone committed Arkancide over this.
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The people involved will probably end up in the same prison as Eric Holder or Lois Lerner . . .
Oh, wait . . . :facepalm:
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A good point:
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/01/25/nailed-it-charlie-kirk-makes-a-fool-of-hillary-the-fbi-nsa-and-the-irs-in-one-perfect-tweet/
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Whose gonna end it all .... [tinfoil]
I predict that Comey will take his own life on his last opportunity ... :O
Any guess who is going to spill the beans to save their own a$$ ... [popcorn]
or who already has ... :-X
Nahhhh, Comey views himself as the hero in all this. If you want to talk about a narcissist. He's the poster boy...
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Well, well, well... seems the missing texts weren't so "missing" after all.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/25/missing-text-messages-between-two-fbi-employees-have-been-located-according-to-department-justice-official.html
No one at the FBI thought to actually check the phones' internal memories? Yeah, right. That's Step 1 in recovering mobile device data.
Brad
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I bet there are a few people who are phooked.
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I bet there are a few people who are phooked.
Why would the be the case?
They know as well as you and I that not a damn thing will come of any of it.
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Why would the be the case?
They know as well as you and I that not a damn thing will come of any of it.
A man can dream can't he ??
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I predict someone, somewhere will magically "find" the lost backups.
Brad
I heard on the radio that someone came up with the missing texts.
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I heard on the radio that someone came up with the missing texts.
Yes, and some of them are interesting enough that even some left-leaning MSM outlets have said, "This looks bad".
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Well, well, well... seems the missing texts weren't so "missing" after all.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/25/missing-text-messages-between-two-fbi-employees-have-been-located-according-to-department-justice-official.html
No one at the FBI thought to actually check the phones' internal memories? Yeah, right. That's Step 1 in recovering mobile device data.
Brad
I wonder if this was a case of a lazy govt drone looking in the usual place and saying "Nope, it ain't there" and never putting any effort into a search until the issue got bigger.
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I wonder if this was a case of a lazy govt drone looking in the usual place and saying "Nope, it ain't there" and never putting any effort into a search until the issue got bigger.
Nope, different administration. Apparently, the DOJ actually pulled them from the devices in question.... (Or got them from the NSA [tinfoil] [tinfoil] [tinfoil])
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My understanding is that the IG's office looked in the last place anyone might expect to find text messages -- on the cell phones. Then, last night, my boss and I had dinner with a police officer who said something to the effect that someone in the .gov had blamed it all on Samsung, and that Samsung then said, "Give us the phones." And they recovered the "deleted" messages."
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Hmmm . . .
IIRC, it's illegal to lie to law enforcement, even if you're not under oath. (Martha Stewart got tripped up on this.)
The people who claimed the texts were lost . . . did they make that claim to any law enforcement official or investigator?
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IIRC, it's illegal to lie to law enforcement, even if you're not under oath. (Martha Stewart got tripped up on this.)
Does that apply to all LE, or just the Feds?
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Does that apply to all LE, or just the Feds?
Just the feds, although there are state laws that criminalize certain lies to other LE.
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IIRC, it's illegal to lie to law enforcement, even if you're not under oath. (Martha Stewart got tripped up on this.)
... and law enforcement's No. 1 technique during interviews/interrogation is to lie about everything. Much double standard?
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... and law enforcement's No. 1 technique during interviews/interrogation is to lie about everything. Much double standard?
Been there once with NCIS, not only for something I didn't do, but something I reported. Easiest way to mark it case closed was get me to admit to it. Twenty years on and I am still hostile about it, guy was willing to destroy my life just for kicks.
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Been there once with NCIS, not only for something I didn't do, but something I reported. Easiest way to mark it case closed was get me to admit to it. Twenty years on and I am still hostile about it, guy was willing to destroy my life just for kicks.
Worse, it was probably either laziness as an investigator or hubris, because he believed you did it.
It disgusts me listening to cops and prosecutors after real good evidence comes out exonerating someone they believed was guilty dig in their heels. DNA? Nope, he still musta did it because I believe it to be.
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It disgusts me listening to cops and prosecutors after real good evidence comes out exonerating someone they believed was guilty dig in their heels. DNA? Nope, he still musta did it because I believe it to be.
DNA exoneration, more than anything else, pretty much changed my perspective on the death penalty. If there are not multiple independent witnesses, video evidence, and/or happily confessing to the crime without coercion, I'm no longer for the death penalty and am fine with taxpayer dollars housing a life inmate.
If any of my conditions hold true, I'm still in the "fry them" camp. There are probably some exception examples for and against, but in general, that's my current philosophy.
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DNA exoneration, more than anything else, pretty much changed my perspective on the death penalty. If there are not multiple independent witnesses, video evidence, and/or happily confessing to the crime without coercion, I'm no longer for the death penalty and am fine with taxpayer dollars housing a life inmate.
If any of my conditions hold true, I'm still in the "fry them" camp. There are probably some exception examples for and against, but in general, that's my current philosophy.
What I always found amazing was the complete lack of evidence upon which juries were willing to convict in some of those cases. One case I am reminded of appeared to consist of police picking up someone who was within a few miles of the incident and talking the witness (who didn't get a clear ID) into testifying that he was the one who did it. That was all the evidence they had.
IMO, it underscores the importance of good people serving jury duty and taking it seriously. And getting competent representation if I find myself on the wrong side of the law.
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DNA exoneration, more than anything else, pretty much changed my perspective on the death penalty. If there are not multiple independent witnesses, video evidence, and/or happily confessing to the crime without coercion, I'm no longer for the death penalty and am fine with taxpayer dollars housing a life inmate.
If any of my conditions hold true, I'm still in the "fry them" camp. There are probably some exception examples for and against, but in general, that's my current philosophy.
I am in the same situation. I think if we know someone has committed murder, they should fry. The problem is in "knowing" as opposed to "being pretty sure."
Many many years ago (1973, in fact), in Connecticut, a young woman was murdered in a parking garage. The police were certain they knew who did it -- and they basically ruined the guy's life but were never able to come up with enough evidence to make a case.
Fast forward to 1997 (24 years later), when a state police technician did some work on the cold case file and eventually came up with a DNA match. And it wasn't to Anthony Golino, the guy the police had hounded for decades because they "knew" he was the killer.
http://articles.courant.com/2002-09-28/news/0209280153_1_serra-case-courtroom-grant-s-arrest
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http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/371280-house-intel-votes-to-make-nunes-memo-public
Fasten your seatbelts.. [popcorn]
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I am in the same situation. I think if we know someone has committed murder, they should fry. The problem is in "knowing" as opposed to "being pretty sure."
Many many years ago (1973, in fact), in Connecticut, a young woman was murdered in a parking garage. The police were certain they knew who did it -- and they basically ruined the guy's life but were never able to come up with enough evidence to make a case.
Fast forward to 1997 (24 years later), when a state police technician did some work on the cold case file and eventually came up with a DNA match. And it wasn't to Anthony Golino, the guy the police had hounded for decades because they "knew" he was the killer.
http://articles.courant.com/2002-09-28/news/0209280153_1_serra-case-courtroom-grant-s-arrest
Plenty of cases where we know for an absolute certainty who did the deed. Ft. Hood, Aurora theater... Cases like that should be pretty cut and dried. Cross all the Ts, dot all the Is and take 'em out back and bury them ( no wasteful intermediate steps like an actual execution needed). Just dig a big hole with an excavator, throw them in and fill in the hole.
As to proprietorial misconduct, in my perfect world, anytime a cop, prosecutor, DA, judge, witness or any person involved in the prosecution gets caught falsifying evidence, withholding exculpatory evidence, perjury or anything that could intentionally or negligently lead to a false conviction they are then subject to the same penalty that they would have falsely imposed on their intended victim, up to and especially including the death penalty.
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http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/371280-house-intel-votes-to-make-nunes-memo-public
Fasten your seatbelts.. [popcorn]
Nothing will come of any of it.
The Dems will pander to their base, the mainstream press will either ignore it or label it fake news. The Repubs will grandstand about how damning it is and Mueller will continue his witch hunt.
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As to proprietorial misconduct, in my perfect world, anytime a cop, prosecutor, DA, judge, witness or any person involved in the prosecution gets caught falsifying evidence, withholding exculpatory evidence, perjury or anything that could intentionally or negligently lead to a false conviction they are then subject to the same penalty that they would have falsely imposed on their intended victim, up to and especially including the death penalty.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-30/fbi-director-wray-shocked-his-core-fisa-memo-mccabe-removed-next-day-more-heads
[popcorn]
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Victor Davis Hanson (one of the smartest writers alive) has analysis on why it happened:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/455885/expected-clinton-victory-explains-federal-employee-wrongdoing
Everyone thought Clinton would win, so they broke the law to favor her. (I just distilled the article for you.)
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-30/fbi-director-wray-shocked-his-core-fisa-memo-mccabe-removed-next-day-more-heads
[popcorn]
Pardon my cynicism, but McCabe is just the fall guy. There may be one or two more underlings selected for a ride under the bus, and then this whole thing will be over. The real criminals will never face any consequences.
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If Trump wants to stay 'till the end of his term he will HAVE to go deeper than just a few FBI agents. I think that in the end, not all the bad guys will bite the dust, and many will remain among Republican files. The Democrats, especially the Clintons, are being lined up be the fall guys of this corrupt system, sparing turds of the Republican flavor.
BTW isn't today the State of the Union Address? It will be interesting to see what happens there. I think it will be gloves-off after that.
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If Trump wants to stay 'till the end of his term he will HAVE to go deeper than just a few FBI agents.
In my opinion, Trump is unlikely to finish his first term. Historically, the party of the sitting President does not fare well in mid-term elections. Add to that, this go around the Democrat party is especially energized, and Republicans have not done well in recent special elections.
The Democrat party will likely sweep the upcoming mid-terms and regain strong control of both the House and Senate, making the successful impeachment of Trump (for specious reasons) probable.
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In my opinion, Trump is unlikely to finish his first term. Historically, the party of the sitting President does not fare well in mid-term elections. Add to that, this go around the Democrat party is especially energized, and Republicans have not done well in recent special elections.
The Democrat party will likely sweep the upcoming mid-terms and regain strong control of both the House and Senate, making the successful impeachment of Trump (for specious reasons) probable.
Impeachment requires more than a simple majority in the Senate so it would take a pretty big swing. Also, most Presidents see very little accomplished and very little change in the economy after 2 years. I think Trump is doing fine on both. The question is whether any of that translates to getting people to vote for the R's in Congress. If they manage to pass one or two other major bills in 2018, they may look a lot better.
In addition, I keep hearing pundits say Democrats are motivated to vote in the midterms. Is that really true? Outside of the looney leftists, why are they motivated? Their leadership has been putting their feet in the mouths, generally losing to Trump, and getting caught with their corrupt hands in the cookie jar. I guess we will see what the primary turnout looks like in the coming months.
I just get the feeling a lot of the predictions coming from the media are partly wishful thinking. Historically you are correct though.
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The pundiots telling us the Dems are gonna make big gains in the midterms are the same ones that told us Clinton was going to win by a landslide aren't they?
However, I can see the establishment GOP rolling over to give the dems back the majority just to spite Trump.
And if anyone thinks Wray learned anything new from the Nunes memo, come see me, I can make you a hell of a deal on a bridge.
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Of course everyone "in the know" knew about the filth and corruption, the thing is now it's part of the public discourse. They can do damage control but they can't bury it.
If there are any decent patriots left to prosecute this, quite seriously, certain public officials should go through a military tribunal and be hung (literally) for treason. You can't have a "deep state" plotting to thwart elections or unseat a duly elected American President and still have a semblance of a Republic. Talk about enemies foreign and domestic... it's right about go time [ar15]
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Victor Davis Hanson (one of the smartest writers alive) has analysis on why it happened:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/455885/expected-clinton-victory-explains-federal-employee-wrongdoing
Everyone thought Clinton would win, so they broke the law to favor her. (I just distilled the article for you.)
Good article, and it makes perfect sense (from a totally amoral perspective). That said, the mere fact that there so many totally amoral actors in the .gov is very disheartening.
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Good article, and it makes perfect sense (from a totally amoral perspective). That said, the mere fact that there so many totally amoral actors in the .gov is very disheartening.
Selection bias.
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To piggy back off Mr. Hanson, the WSJ had a great opinion piece and Op-ed piece the other day:
Opinion: https://www.wsj.com/articles/fusions-russian-dirty-work-1517181776
Op-Ed: https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-steele-dossier-fits-the-kremlin-playbook-1517175564
What's amazing to me (and I keep pointing out to a certain individual on FB), is that the Russians want the disunity and discord that is the current "Resist" movement. What benefits them more ?? A fairly unified country that more or less gets along (baring the usual political squabbles) or a country that is threatening to tear itself apart ??
Finally, here's 9:14 of Nancy Pelosi sputtering and stammering her way through trying to stop the FISA memo. This thing must be devastating. And before you get on the "CLASSIFIED" bandwagon, remember that Obama released everything on the enhanced interrogation techniques at Gitmo, just about day one. Plus, if there's been wrongdoing, then it needs to brought to light.
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/pelosi-clashes-with-chris-cuomo-on-nunes-memo-you-really-dont-know-what-youre-talking-about/
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Since when is the DOJ a part of the intelligence community?
Ms. Pelosi says the memo is not "factual," but Fox News reports that the FBI has reviewed it and did not find any factual inaccuracies.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/30/fbi-officials-review-surveillance-memo-could-not-cite-any-factual-inaccuracies-source.html
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Apparently there is a counter-memo in the works:
http://impeachtrump.net/release-the-second-memo
Oh wow:
http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1516/84/1516843918090.jpg
:P
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Who would ever expect that the FBI might object to the public release of a memo documenting that the FBI is politically biased and got hoodwinked?
[Vizzini voice]Inconceivable[/Vizzini voice]
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I'm waiting for the "Obama was as bad as Nixon" comments once the memo is released. I have a feeling that things were done at a higher level then just the DoJ and FBI.
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I'm waiting for the "Obama was as bad as Nixon" comments once the memo is released. I have a feeling that things were done at a higher level then just the DoJ and FBI.
I'm sure they were, but were done with plausible deniability and no records.
But hey, if anything this debacle has revealed a lot of hubris, so I could be wrong.
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Plenty of cases where we know for an absolute certainty who did the deed. Ft. Hood, Aurora theater... Cases like that should be pretty cut and dried. Cross all the Ts, dot all the Is and take 'em out back and bury them ( no wasteful intermediate steps like an actual execution needed). Just dig a big hole with an excavator, throw them in and fill in the hole.
I'd also extend that to any who plead guilty to an appropriate charge; affirm the plea in open court, then deal with it before the sun sets.
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... aaaand here it is...
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-02/fisa-memo-released-heres-what-it-says
I don't think that I have learned anything new that hasn't already been discussed, albeit in a hearsay manner.
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It would be interesting if they would actually release the FISA application.
No one seems to be calling for that much transparency though. :mad:
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It would be interesting if they would actually release the FISA application.
No one seems to be calling for that much transparency though. :mad:
Wait for it....
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Wait for it....
...but don't hold your breath.
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It's all okay. Comey says the memo is a nothingburger.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/372040-comey-bashes-release-of-nunes-memo-thats-it
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Our US Rep has been doubling down on the Evil Republicans/Evil Trump stuff lately.
Before Washington Republicans released the Nunes memo, the FBI expressed its "grave concerns" and stated there are "omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo’s accuracy." I trust the hardworking men and women who put their lives on the line to protect our nation much more than I trust Chairman Nunes.
Today, Washington Republicans broke a sacred trust between the House of Representatives and our national security, law enforcement and intelligence agencies. I have real concerns that the release of this memo could make it easier for our enemies abroad to avoid surveillance and embolden them to carry out attacks on Americans. This partisan memo is designed specifically to undermine the Mueller investigation into possible ties between President Trump and Vladimir Putin. And with two guilty pleas already secured, Americans should not be fooled by this obvious attempt to distract them.
I can only hope this will come back to bite her.
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http://amp.dailycaller.com/2018/02/04/fusion-gps-ohr/
Under a contract from the Clinton campaign, the Fusion GPS research firm was paying the wife of a senior Department of Justice official as part of its efforts to gather opposition research on Trump, and the same official then brought that research to the FBI.
Not sure if this deserves its own thread, but another item to add to the pile.
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http://amp.dailycaller.com/2018/02/04/fusion-gps-ohr/
Not sure if this deserves its own thread, but another item to add to the pile.
The Democrats literally do not care. Appearance of impropriety, actual impropriety, outright corruption, they don't care. If it is done for their benefit, doesn't matter what it was, it is good. If it was done against them, it doesn't matter how ethical and upright it is, it's bad. (And so is the person who did it, that goes without saying. <cough> Ken Starr <cough>)
The playbook hasn't changed in years, they are just much more open in supporting corruption now.
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The Democrats literally do not care. Appearance of impropriety, actual impropriety, outright corruption, they don't care. If it is done for their benefit, doesn't matter what it was, it is good. If it was done against them, it doesn't matter how ethical and upright it is, it's bad. (And so is the person who did it, that goes without saying. <cough> Ken Starr <cough>)
The playbook hasn't changed in years, they are just much more open in supporting corruption now.
And that is just the voters.
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http://theduran.com/breaking-new-text-messages-from-fbi-lovers-say-obama-wants-to-know-everything/
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http://theduran.com/breaking-new-text-messages-from-fbi-lovers-say-obama-wants-to-know-everything/
Wait....there's still people who love the FBI? [tinfoil]
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A timeline:
http://politicalvanguard.com/biased-fbi-and-doj-officials-broke-the-law-and-tried-to-decide-the-election-an-annotated-timeline/
This was supposedly first published on Forbes but was then removed.
http://archive.is/KOCM9
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And yet, not one damn thing will ever come of any of it.
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And yet, not one damn thing will ever come of any of it.
ding ding
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And yet, not one damn thing will ever come of any of it.
Very true. And I am getting very tired of conservative media's hyperventilated bloviating about the subject. I think it's time for some fresh material as they've beaten this subject to death. Time to move on to the next outrage.
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Very true. And I am getting very tired of conservative media's hyperventilated bloviating about the subject. I think it's time for some fresh material as they've beaten this subject to death. Time to move on to the next outrage.
That is exactly what the Left wants.
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That is exactly what the Left wants.
I'm sure it is. However, if the Right is interested in actually pursuing these things, there should be some evidence that consequences will be forthcoming.
Shall I go through all the malfeasance and corruption in the Obama era where the worst "consequences" was someone was "forced" to retire with a fat pension?
Politicians don't want people sick of fake outrage from politicians? Stop talking and take action.
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The problem is that those of us/them who are outraged enough to continue the investigation are not the people in charge of prosecuting. If we/they just say "ah, no one will be charged, therefore we don't need to continue the investigation" every time something like this comes up, then one day we won't even have investigations. It is a slippery slope.
A swift, public prosecution of even the most minor malfeasance is the only true power we have over the elected official. Voting the jerk out of office can take years and doesn't really punish him, nor does it disuade other jerks from doing the same things.
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That is exactly what the Left wants.
It’s exactly what the right wants too, at least the politicians
At this point, with the GOP pudding up their feathers, letting Gowdy yell for a bit, then NEVER ACTUALLY TAKING ANY KIND OF ACTION, I’ve given up on the GOP. They’re complicit in all of this and guilty by way of their inaction
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The problem is that those of us/them who are outraged enough to continue the investigation are not the people in charge of prosecuting. If we/they just say "ah, no one will be charged, therefore we don't need to continue the investigation" every time something like this comes up, then one day we won't even have investigations. It is a slippery slope.
A swift, public prosecution of even the most minor malfeasance is the only true power we have over the elected official. Voting the jerk out of office can take years and doesn't really punish him, nor does it disuade other jerks from doing the same things.
Ok, I agree that a swift public prosecution is the best way to keep the politicians in line.
Two questions:
When was the last time that happened?
How exactly does a realistic view that the "elites" will protect themselves, to hell with the plebs, in any way change the likelihood that someone, ANYONE (especially one of the (D) persuasion) will ever be held so accountable?
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Ok, I agree that a swift public prosecution is the best way to keep the politicians in line.
Two questions:
When was the last time that happened?
How exactly does a realistic view that the "elites" will protect themselves, to hell with the plebs, in any way change the likelihood that someone, ANYONE (especially one of the (D) persuasion) will ever be held so accountable?
Therein lies the problem. They protect each other regardles of party affiliation. To get prosecuted, one needs to be on the wrong side of public opinion, not the wrong side of the law. Right now, anyone accused of sexual assault or harrassment is as good as convicted regardless of the facts. But breaking the law? No big deal. They all do it.
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They all have blackmail material on each other. Maybe there's not 100% coverage but it's enough to stall, hinder and end investigations.
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Re: New Grassly Memo
It appears to confirm some level of coordination between the extended Clinton circle and the Obama administration in the effort to seek damaging information about then-candidate Trump.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dossier-author-steele-wrote-another-anti-trump-memo-was-fed-info-by-clinton-connected-contact-obama-state-department/article/2648099
So Obama's Administration was in on the fix.
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Re: New Grassly Memo
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dossier-author-steele-wrote-another-anti-trump-memo-was-fed-info-by-clinton-connected-contact-obama-state-department/article/2648099
So Obama's Administration was in on the fix.
Was there ever any doubt? Are you surprised?
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Was there ever any doubt? Are you surprised?
Everyone agrees the Obama administration was scandal-free. Everyone who isn't a racist.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/19/has-the-obama-white-house-been-historically-free-of-scandal/?utm_term=.126421aeff5e