Post by: roo_ster on May 20, 2008, 08:31:54 AM
Quote from: http://hotair.com/archives/2008/05/19/muslim-school-officials-attack-news-crew-in-twin-cities/?print=1
Muslim school officials attack news crew in Twin Cities
posted at 8:45 pm on May 19, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
Ive followed the story about the Tarik ibn Zayad Academy and allegations that it abuses its status as a state-funded charter school to teach Islam instead of a public-school curriculum for the last six weeks. Katherine Kersten first brought the story to our attention, for which local journalists have begun petitioning the Star Tribune to fire her. The state department of education found several potential issues for violation of laws intending to keep public schools from providing religious instruction, and notified the school today that it had to make changes to its Friday prayer efforts and the lack of transportation service for students who opt out of prayers, among other issues.
Local ABC affiliate KSTP has also continued to update the reporting on this story. Today they went to the school to determine how TiZA would respond to the states demand for corrective action. Instead, they found themselves at the center of the story as two TiZA officials attacked the news crew and stole their camera:
In an attempt to report about the new findings from the Department of Education, 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS went to TiZA. While on school grounds, our crew was attacked by school officials. The two men were able to grab our camera and kept it until police arrived.
Our photographer was treated by paramedics after suffering minor injuries. &
Tarik ibn Zayad Academy, which focuses on Middle Eastern culture and shares a mosque with the Muslim American Society of Minnesota, came under fire after a teacher alleged that the school was offering religious instruction in Islam to its students.
KSTP has a video report on their website. The tape starts off pleasantly, as the children run up to the camera to smile and wave, just like children anywhere would do. One man walks rapidly towards the camera and grabs it, while another unseen man assaults the cameraman. Later, the police would retrieve the camera, and the video shows the police cars responding to the emergency call from the news crew.
The action by the MnDoE should make clear that Kersten had the story essentially right. Local journalists attempting to intimidate her and the Strib which has thus far refused to submit to this bullying have some explaining to do. If she had written a story about a charter school illegally giving instructions in the Catholic or Mormon faith, these same journalists would have nominated her for an award.
Next, the MnDoE should seriously reconsider this schools accreditation in light of the attack on KSTPs news crew. If nothing else, it calls into question whether the administrators should have children in their care at a state-funded charter school, given their temperament. They conducted this assault in full view of the students. If TiZA continues to employ these two men, the state should pull all funding from the academy.
posted at 8:45 pm on May 19, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
Ive followed the story about the Tarik ibn Zayad Academy and allegations that it abuses its status as a state-funded charter school to teach Islam instead of a public-school curriculum for the last six weeks. Katherine Kersten first brought the story to our attention, for which local journalists have begun petitioning the Star Tribune to fire her. The state department of education found several potential issues for violation of laws intending to keep public schools from providing religious instruction, and notified the school today that it had to make changes to its Friday prayer efforts and the lack of transportation service for students who opt out of prayers, among other issues.
Local ABC affiliate KSTP has also continued to update the reporting on this story. Today they went to the school to determine how TiZA would respond to the states demand for corrective action. Instead, they found themselves at the center of the story as two TiZA officials attacked the news crew and stole their camera:
In an attempt to report about the new findings from the Department of Education, 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS went to TiZA. While on school grounds, our crew was attacked by school officials. The two men were able to grab our camera and kept it until police arrived.
Our photographer was treated by paramedics after suffering minor injuries. &
Tarik ibn Zayad Academy, which focuses on Middle Eastern culture and shares a mosque with the Muslim American Society of Minnesota, came under fire after a teacher alleged that the school was offering religious instruction in Islam to its students.
KSTP has a video report on their website. The tape starts off pleasantly, as the children run up to the camera to smile and wave, just like children anywhere would do. One man walks rapidly towards the camera and grabs it, while another unseen man assaults the cameraman. Later, the police would retrieve the camera, and the video shows the police cars responding to the emergency call from the news crew.
The action by the MnDoE should make clear that Kersten had the story essentially right. Local journalists attempting to intimidate her and the Strib which has thus far refused to submit to this bullying have some explaining to do. If she had written a story about a charter school illegally giving instructions in the Catholic or Mormon faith, these same journalists would have nominated her for an award.
Next, the MnDoE should seriously reconsider this schools accreditation in light of the attack on KSTPs news crew. If nothing else, it calls into question whether the administrators should have children in their care at a state-funded charter school, given their temperament. They conducted this assault in full view of the students. If TiZA continues to employ these two men, the state should pull all funding from the academy.
Here is the video & article:
http://kstp.com/article/stories/s449649.shtml?v=1
Post by: Bigjake on May 20, 2008, 08:48:09 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on May 20, 2008, 08:54:13 AM
If you don't get that whole "freedom of speech" thing, and would dare attack a camera crew, get your violence-prone intolerant ass out of America and over to one of the dysfunctional ickystans where they're okay with that sort of nonsense.
The "attackers" better be deported or imprisoned. Plus that charter needs to be yanked immediately. And those two people need to be charged with assault, battery, and false imprisonment for grabbing and restraining the cameraman, they hurt his shoulder. That's a felony, isn't it? If they're not charged, something's broken.
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shares a mosque with the Muslim American Society of Minnesota
That group is one of the Muslim Brotherhood front groups. Peaceful, normal moderate Muslims they're not. They're radical extremists.
Post by: SomeKid on May 20, 2008, 09:00:11 AM
I am sorry, but I am a racist pig.
Post by: Manedwolf on May 20, 2008, 09:02:57 AM
Maned,
Normal moderate Muslim is just a front for psychotic murdering extremist.
Normal moderate Muslim is just a front for psychotic murdering extremist.
No, that's not true at all.
In case you hadn't noticed, you're in the house of a moderate, normal, peaceful Muslim. Who the HELL do you think runs this site?
(Hint: His name is Derek Zeannah, and he's a normal, peaceful Muslim, as most are. Perhaps you don't want to be here if you can't accept that?)
Post by: Jamisjockey on May 20, 2008, 09:09:53 AM
Maned,
Normal moderate Muslim is just a front for psychotic murdering extremist.
Normal moderate Muslim is just a front for psychotic murdering extremist.
Your worldview seems a little narrow to me. I guess you don't meet alot of Muslims at the Klan rallies, eh?
Post by: 41magsnub on May 20, 2008, 09:20:53 AM
Maned,
Normal moderate Muslim is just a front for psychotic murdering extremist.
Normal moderate Muslim is just a front for psychotic murdering extremist.
Wow.. tell that to the several Muslims I work with on a day to day basis who just want to get along like the rest of us. Should I be watching my back? Will one suddenly go all Jihad on me over taking the last donut?
Post by: Ex-MA Hole on May 20, 2008, 09:43:33 AM
(Hint: His name is Derek Zeannah, and he's a normal, peaceful Muslim, as most are. Perhaps you don't want to be here if you can't accept that?)
That decision was just made for him.
If anyone needs him, he'll be at the next Klan meeting I'm sure.
Post by: MechAg94 on May 20, 2008, 11:37:33 AM
If this had happened at a private home, would the homeowner have been arrested? I am not sure. It didn't appear quite as violent as I first thought, but I can't tell.
Post by: Manedwolf on May 20, 2008, 12:19:42 PM
And then that angry-faced idiot comes out and grabs on the cameraman.
Those little kids saw that. And those were school authorities. That, to them, is how an authority figure at their school behaves. The destruction of childhood joy, an attack on a harmless person they were greeting, the enforcement of anger, hate. That's something the extremist schools in the middle east do. Every suicide bomber began as a joyful little kid that had the joy burned out of them by brainwashing into hate.
Those school authorities were already under investigation for things the school board apparently doesn't want to disclose yet, but I can guess, based on that behavior.
I want those kids to remain happy, smiling kids. I do not want them to learn that sort of hate that makes them into angry-faced idiots like that guy who grabbed the camera. So if that's what the school stands for, it needs to go before those kids learn how to hate instead of smile. They need to find some other school where they can be good Muslims, and also good Americans, who grow up and have loving families and kids of their own.
Post by: ilbob on May 20, 2008, 12:21:30 PM
Maned,
Normal moderate Muslim is just a front for psychotic murdering extremist.
Its not quite that bad. it just seems that way because the psychotics and their toadies get most of the press.
Normal moderate Muslim is just a front for psychotic murdering extremist.
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on May 20, 2008, 12:58:20 PM
Maned,
Normal moderate Muslim is just a front for psychotic murdering extremist.
Its not quite that bad. it just seems that way because the psychotics and their toadies get most of the press. Normal moderate Muslim is just a front for psychotic murdering extremist.
Post by: De Selby on May 20, 2008, 04:13:20 PM
This is news because there were Muslims involved-this is not the first nor will it be the last time a news crew was manhandled on private property, but usually it doesn't make national headlines....of course in this case, because the story contributes to the fantasy that all Muslims are secretly trying to destroy the US, it is interesting to people who share attitudes like that expressed above about all Muslims being evil.
Post by: Manedwolf on May 20, 2008, 04:14:43 PM
Maybe the spate of shootings at Masjids, assaults of Muslims, and the few murders made them uneasy about strangers on campus?
So they attack a cameraman? Man, you WILL defend any action, won't you. Rationalize, rationalize, rationalize. That is NOT ACCEPTABLE in the US. Not now, not ever. For anyone. Especially in front of all the kids who saw that, especially when it's the people in charge of the school.
Read my last post, will you?
Post by: De Selby on May 20, 2008, 04:27:37 PM
Maybe the spate of shootings at Masjids, assaults of Muslims, and the few murders made them uneasy about strangers on campus?
So they attack a cameraman? Man, you WILL defend any action, won't you. Rationalize, rationalize, rationalize. That is NOT ACCEPTABLE in the US. Not now, not ever. For anyone. Especially in front of all the kids who saw that, especially when it's the people in charge of the school.
Read my last post, will you?
You've never seen a news crew get manhandled by being somewhere uninvited before? Ever? Are you serious?
It isn't justification-it's pointing out that this is not a special "muslim incident" or having anything to do with Islam, yet because the parties involved were Muslim, it's national news.
It's simply absurd to claim that this incident is some "special lesson" for Muslim kids or that it in some odd way ties in to the "muslim culture" (we don't even know if these guys are American or not, do we?)....it's like taking a video of a fight over a spot at the gas pump and then saying "one of those guys is Muslim-this video proves that Muslims are willing to get violent over places in line due to their religious obsession with respect for places in line"
It is patently ridiculous to tie it to the religion when it obviously has absolutely nothing to do with religiosity, Islam, or them being Muslims.
Post by: Manedwolf on May 20, 2008, 04:31:01 PM
You mean the ones that are sunni vs shi'a? Those shootings?
Sorry, factional violence doesn't work for that argument. That's internal strife, not victimization.
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 20, 2008, 05:03:45 PM
Maned,
Normal moderate Muslim is just a front for psychotic murdering extremist.
Normal moderate Muslim is just a front for psychotic murdering extremist.
No, that's not true at all.
In case you hadn't noticed, you're in the house of a moderate, normal, peaceful Muslim. Who the HELL do you think runs this site?
(Hint: His name is Derek Zeannah, and he's a normal, peaceful Muslim, as most are. Perhaps you don't want to be here if you can't accept that?)
Oh, snap! Well-played sir.
Post by: MechAg94 on May 20, 2008, 05:59:54 PM
Maybe the spate of shootings at Masjids, assaults of Muslims, and the few murders made them uneasy about strangers on campus?
This is news because there were Muslims involved-this is not the first nor will it be the last time a news crew was manhandled on private property, but usually it doesn't make national headlines....of course in this case, because the story contributes to the fantasy that all Muslims are secretly trying to destroy the US, it is interesting to people who share attitudes like that expressed above about all Muslims being evil.
This isn't private property. This is apparently a state funded school. When was the last time you saw news crew manhandled on the grounds of a school?
This is news because there were Muslims involved-this is not the first nor will it be the last time a news crew was manhandled on private property, but usually it doesn't make national headlines....of course in this case, because the story contributes to the fantasy that all Muslims are secretly trying to destroy the US, it is interesting to people who share attitudes like that expressed above about all Muslims being evil.
Post by: De Selby on May 20, 2008, 06:03:19 PM
Maybe the spate of shootings at Masjids, assaults of Muslims, and the few murders made them uneasy about strangers on campus?
This is news because there were Muslims involved-this is not the first nor will it be the last time a news crew was manhandled on private property, but usually it doesn't make national headlines....of course in this case, because the story contributes to the fantasy that all Muslims are secretly trying to destroy the US, it is interesting to people who share attitudes like that expressed above about all Muslims being evil.
This isn't private property. This is apparently a state funded school. When was the last time you saw news crew manhandled on the grounds of a school? This is news because there were Muslims involved-this is not the first nor will it be the last time a news crew was manhandled on private property, but usually it doesn't make national headlines....of course in this case, because the story contributes to the fantasy that all Muslims are secretly trying to destroy the US, it is interesting to people who share attitudes like that expressed above about all Muslims being evil.
On a school, I don't know of the last time I saw one...but certainly security manhandles people at schools sometimes, and it's not a stretch to see how this could happen in a situation with no Muslims involved....indeed, it's a stretch to imagine that this has anything whatsoever to do with them practicing their religion or with some odd culturual sensibilities.
Post by: De Selby on May 20, 2008, 06:03:52 PM
And what "shooting at masjids" are you talking about?
You mean the ones that are sunni vs shi'a? Those shootings?
Sorry, factional violence doesn't work for that argument. That's internal strife, not victimization.
You mean the ones that are sunni vs shi'a? Those shootings?
Sorry, factional violence doesn't work for that argument. That's internal strife, not victimization.
The multiple shootings that have happened around the United States, thankfully mostly injuring only the buildings but sending the obvious message nonetheless.
The "sunni vs. shia" war is a nonstarter; very few people recognize a distinction in terms of party membership, and outside of some localized areas in the middle east, there is no "battle between sunni and shia". It's not even equivalent to protestants and Catholics-more like bible doctrine debates between evangelicals.
Post by: doc2rn on May 20, 2008, 06:07:17 PM
As for the assault and battery, charge those responsible so they might learn the errors of their way.
Post by: MechAg94 on May 20, 2008, 06:14:22 PM
And what "shooting at masjids" are you talking about?
You mean the ones that are sunni vs shi'a? Those shootings?
Sorry, factional violence doesn't work for that argument. That's internal strife, not victimization.
You mean the ones that are sunni vs shi'a? Those shootings?
Sorry, factional violence doesn't work for that argument. That's internal strife, not victimization.
The multiple shootings that have happened around the United States, thankfully mostly injuring only the buildings but sending the obvious message nonetheless.
The "sunni vs. shia" war is a nonstarter; very few people recognize a distinction in terms of party membership, and outside of some localized areas in the middle east, there is no "battle between sunni and shia". It's not even equivalent to protestants and Catholics-more like bible doctrine debates between evangelicals.
Post by: Nitrogen on May 20, 2008, 06:14:41 PM
Let's take a look at some of the craziest, Christian fundamentalists I can think of, and their history.
First off, I 'll acknowledge that this country was founded by them. Notice something about the pilgrims, puritans, etc.
They wanted to be left alone, so they came here to be left alone.
I don't see that from fundamentalist muslims. They want to kill people who aren't like them, even other muslims.
Now, take some of the craziest fundamentalists today. I don't see nearly as many wanting to kill people who arent christian enough, or christian at all.
And yes, I'm biased. I don't like Islam as it's practiced in many places outside of America, espically in many parts of the Middle east.
Post by: Nitrogen on May 20, 2008, 06:18:39 PM
The "sunni vs. shia" war is a nonstarter; very few people recognize a distinction in terms of party membership, and outside of some localized areas in the middle east, there is no "battle between sunni and shia". It's not even equivalent to protestants and Catholics-more like bible doctrine debates between evangelicals.
I seem to notice that plenty of people all over have a problem with the whole sunni vs. shia thing.
Post by: De Selby on May 20, 2008, 06:19:40 PM
And what "shooting at masjids" are you talking about?
You mean the ones that are sunni vs shi'a? Those shootings?
Sorry, factional violence doesn't work for that argument. That's internal strife, not victimization.
You mean the ones that are sunni vs shi'a? Those shootings?
Sorry, factional violence doesn't work for that argument. That's internal strife, not victimization.
The multiple shootings that have happened around the United States, thankfully mostly injuring only the buildings but sending the obvious message nonetheless.
The "sunni vs. shia" war is a nonstarter; very few people recognize a distinction in terms of party membership, and outside of some localized areas in the middle east, there is no "battle between sunni and shia". It's not even equivalent to protestants and Catholics-more like bible doctrine debates between evangelicals.
Here's a website that collects the incidents:
http://www.jannah.org/resources/muslimvictims.html
No, not that I know of are any of these state funded institutions, but I'm not sure why that would matter. If you operate a school where many of the children are of ethnic and religious groups that are regularly the targets of attacks, it would be silly to say "well, most of those attacks are at state funded institutions so I won't worry about it at all."
Post by: De Selby on May 20, 2008, 06:24:51 PM
The "sunni vs. shia" war is a nonstarter; very few people recognize a distinction in terms of party membership, and outside of some localized areas in the middle east, there is no "battle between sunni and shia". It's not even equivalent to protestants and Catholics-more like bible doctrine debates between evangelicals.
I seem to notice that plenty of people all over have a problem with the whole sunni vs. shia thing.
It would be a mistake to chalk up the highly localized conflicts in places like Lebanon and Pakistan to religious differences-the issue there is identity, not theology, and the battle lines are drawn accordingly...with secular/atheist members of the traditionally *expletive deleted*it communities lining up behind the religious parties, and vice versa.
The Islamfortoday piece is fairly exemplary of how most view the situation from a religious perspective-you might want to read the parts that say things like this:
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Sunnis and Shias agree on the core fundamentals of Islam - the Five Pillars - and recognize each others as Muslims. In 1959 Sheikh Mahmood Shaltoot, Head of the School of Theology at Al Azhar university in Cairo, the most august seat of learning of Sunni Islam and the oldest university in the world, issued a fatwa (ruling) recognizing the legitimacy of the Jafari School of Law to which most Shias belong. As a point of interest, the Jafari School is named after its founder Imam Jafaf Sidiq who was a direct descendent through two different lines of the Sunni Caliph Abu Bakr. And Al Azhar University, though now Sunni, was actually founded by the Shia Fatimid dynasty in 969CE.
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2) The Ja'fari school of thought, which is also known as "al-Shia al- Imamiyyah al-Ithna Ashariyyah" (i.e., The Twelver Imami Shi'ites) is a school of thought that is religiously correct to follow in worship as are other Sunni schools of thought. Muslims must know this, and ought to refrain from unjust prejudice to any particular school of thought, since the religion of Allah and His Divine Law (Shari'ah) was never restricted to a particular school of thought. Their jurists (Mujtahidoon) are accepted by Almighty Allah, and it is permissible to the "non-Mujtahid" to follow them and to accord with their teaching whether in worship (Ibadaat) or transactions (Mu'amilaat).
Signed, Mahmood Shaltoot.
Signed, Mahmood Shaltoot.
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 20, 2008, 06:30:22 PM
A point I don't know if anyone's made yet:
Let's take a look at some of the craziest, Christian fundamentalists I can think of, and their history.
First off, I 'll acknowledge that this country was founded by them. Notice something about the pilgrims, puritans, etc.
They wanted to be left alone, so they came here to be left alone.
I don't see that from fundamentalist muslims. They want to kill people who aren't like them, even other muslims.
Now, take some of the craziest fundamentalists today. I don't see nearly as many wanting to kill people who arent christian enough, or christian at all.
And yes, I'm biased. I don't like Islam as it's practiced in many places outside of America, espically in many parts of the Middle east.
Let's take a look at some of the craziest, Christian fundamentalists I can think of, and their history.
First off, I 'll acknowledge that this country was founded by them. Notice something about the pilgrims, puritans, etc.
They wanted to be left alone, so they came here to be left alone.
I don't see that from fundamentalist muslims. They want to kill people who aren't like them, even other muslims.
Now, take some of the craziest fundamentalists today. I don't see nearly as many wanting to kill people who arent christian enough, or christian at all.
And yes, I'm biased. I don't like Islam as it's practiced in many places outside of America, espically in many parts of the Middle east.
Firstly, I'll note that you are using the term fundamentalist somewhat inadvisedly.
Secondly, just based on past convo's, are you an atheist? If so, this may be the first time a conservative Evangelical has ever reminded an atheist of the nasty business conducted by "Christians" during Crusades, witch-trials, various inquisitions and persecutions, etc.
Post by: Nitrogen on May 20, 2008, 06:39:12 PM
As far as what's been done by Christians in the past, true, but I was speaking of modern day. I cant think of many modern day Christian orgs that want to slaughter people like I can on the Islamic side.
As far as the whole "Regional conflict" thing, I really don't buy it. Pakistan is on the whole other side of the middle east from Beruit, with Iraq and Iran in the middle. A regional conflict spanning over 2000 miles? Where they all have the same thing in common? I am a firm believer in Occam's Razor, and this doesn't pass that test.
Post by: De Selby on May 20, 2008, 06:43:38 PM
As far as the whole "Regional conflict" thing, I really don't buy it. Pakistan is on the whole other side of the middle east from Beruit, with Iraq and Iran in the middle. A regional conflict spanning over 2000 miles? Where they all have the same thing in common? I am a firm believer in Occam's Razor, and this doesn't pass that test.
It doesn't span two thousand miles, and in Pakistan, the largest factor you are missing is that the minority religious groups speak completely different languages and consider themselves members of different nations for the most part than the Urdu community. I got to know a Balochi who could not silence himself about the need for a Balochi nation, for example....absolutely no mentioning of religion in any of his rants.
The reason they have Shia/Sunni divides in common is that in the old days, some communities became Shia, and some Sunni, generally based on what that group's leadership chose to do...hence, different ethnic/linguistic groups with different interests also have different religions. It's not that surprising, nor is it any less simple than the theory you have come up with.
Post by: roo_ster on May 20, 2008, 07:48:54 PM
Maybe the spate of shootings at Masjids, assaults of Muslims, and the few murders made them uneasy about strangers on campus?
Dude, please provide links.
Every anti-Muslim act of such a nature has been shouted from the rooftops. I mean, a baker's dozen synagogues can be festooned with Nazi symbols, and it is at best a local story of hte day. But, any anti-Muslim acts of simialr magnitude have been national stories.
For the love of Pete, the poor Sikh that was murdered and mistaken for a muslim has been dug up and put on display countless times since his death. If there was something better with whcih to paint America as Muslim-hating rubes, the MSM would broadcast it far & wide.
Post by: De Selby on May 20, 2008, 08:39:34 PM
Maybe the spate of shootings at Masjids, assaults of Muslims, and the few murders made them uneasy about strangers on campus?
Dude, please provide links.
Every anti-Muslim act of such a nature has been shouted from the rooftops. I mean, a baker's dozen synagogues can be festooned with Nazi symbols, and it is at best a local story of hte day. But, any anti-Muslim acts of simialr magnitude have been national stories.
For the love of Pete, the poor Sikh that was murdered and mistaken for a muslim has been dug up and put on display countless times since his death. If there was something better with whcih to paint America as Muslim-hating rubes, the MSM would broadcast it far & wide.
That is simply not true-there have been scores of incidents (link above to one database of them) of defacing Muslim religious and community centers-you just think that the same ones are replayed because only one ever makes the news, and that was likely because someone of the wrong religion was shot.
CAIR has been better about recording these incidents in a centralized report:
http://www.cair.com/Portals/0/pdf/2007-Civil-Rights-Report.pdf
The reports of incidents are linked to outside sources, so you don't have to take CAIR's word for it.
Some more incidents, from google:
http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=70097
http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060818/NEWS/608180329
http://www.nbc6.net/news/8462654/detail.html (This one is included in CAIR's report)
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B05EEDB123AF937A15757C0A9629C8B63
http://www.nbc4.com/news/11296305/detail.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-03-09-mosque-vandalism_x.htm
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/01/another_mosque_.html
And one of the more serious ones here:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/766342.html
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Shots were fired at a mosque in Melbourne, Florida as worshippers celebrated the start of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, but no injuries or arrests were reported, authorities said Saturday.
A member of the Islamic Society of Brevard County stepped outside of the mosque Friday night to use his cell phone when he heard several gunshots, the Melbourne police department said.
The member, who was not immediately identified, took cover behind a wall as several rounds struck the building's south side, police said. He then ran inside and told mosque members, who called police.
A member of the Islamic Society of Brevard County stepped outside of the mosque Friday night to use his cell phone when he heard several gunshots, the Melbourne police department said.
The member, who was not immediately identified, took cover behind a wall as several rounds struck the building's south side, police said. He then ran inside and told mosque members, who called police.
It happens-it just makes national headlines so infrequently that many people believe it doesn't.
Post by: MicroBalrog on May 20, 2008, 10:16:48 PM
Maybe the spate of shootings at Masjids, assaults of Muslims, and the few murders made them uneasy about strangers on campus?
So they attack a cameraman? Man, you WILL defend any action, won't you. Rationalize, rationalize, rationalize. That is NOT ACCEPTABLE in the US. Not now, not ever. For anyone. Especially in front of all the kids who saw that, especially when it's the people in charge of the school.
Read my last post, will you?
For the record, Maned. If I owned a house, and a strange man infiltrated it and tried to take video, I would be very upset. The idea that is is somehow 'acceptable' for people to invade other people's private property with cameras is downright bizarre.
Everybody cheers when a paparazzi gets beaten up. Why are those people different?
Post by: De Selby on May 20, 2008, 10:35:17 PM
1. The cameraman was told that the school did not want him on its property.
2. The school official grabbed the camera, and did not say anything audible on the tape. The cameraman shouted "hey guys, shoot this! Shoot this!" immediately.
3. The cops are considering charges against both the news crew, for trespassing, and the school official, for misdemeanor assault.
In what way is this not a straightforward property confrontation? I'm really working hard here to see how this incident is connected to Islamic beliefs or Islam in general, and I just plain do not get it.
Post by: Manedwolf on May 21, 2008, 03:51:57 AM
CAIR has been better about recording these incidents in a centralized report:
Like anyone is going to believe a terrorist front group?
Post by: De Selby on May 21, 2008, 10:40:40 AM
CAIR has been better about recording these incidents in a centralized report:
Like anyone is going to believe a terrorist front group?
Considering that you don't believe it's necessary to commit even a single act of terrorism to be a "terrorist group", I don't consider it particularly damning that this is your opinion on the group.
Regardless, there are links there to confirm the stories with news agencies-which, I hope, you do not include in the terrorist conspiracy along with La Raza and the Labor Unions.
I would still like to know what this incident has to do with the participants being Muslims-all I see evidence of here is a straightforward confrontation over trespassing with no religious activity, religious principles, or anything of the sort being apparent. What justifies characterizing this as a "Muslim incident" versus a simple "yet another trespass/altercation in America" incident?
Post by: Nitrogen on May 21, 2008, 02:29:04 PM
Even the Liberal Anti Defamation League doesn't like them.
Post by: De Selby on May 21, 2008, 02:55:07 PM
Considering that the Liberal Elite like Chuckie Boy Schumer, Dickie Boy Durbin, and Barbera Boxer don't have anything nice to say about CAIR, I'm not sure what to think.
Even the Liberal Anti Defamation League doesn't like them.
Even the Liberal Anti Defamation League doesn't like them.
That makes sense-CAIR is not a liberal organization, and Muslims overwhelmingly voted for George Bush in the last two elections.