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Re: Neck shot drops hostage-taker like a sack of potatos
« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2014, 03:43:56 PM »
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Re: Neck shot drops hostage-taker like a sack of potatos
« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2014, 04:41:29 PM »
Glad I didn't have to make that shot.  I never considered the necessity of sighting a rifle in at ~ 20yds.  Reckon the po-po have several precision weapons, already sighted in at various distances?  I reckon it wouldn't be THAT hard to hold under at ranges that close, but it sure as hell would be nerve-wracking.

Depending on the height of your sights above the bore axis, you might need to hold *over*.
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Re: Neck shot drops hostage-taker like a sack of potatos
« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2014, 04:52:03 PM »
Between holdover and the ambiguity of physiological landmarks concealed by the hoodie, I wonder if that's why he took it in the neck in the first place.

Seems like someone shooting from the vantage point of the cameraman had a much better and safer shot. Although I don't mean to MMQB, as that's not the kind of thing you can easily plan out before hand.
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Re: Neck shot drops hostage-taker like a sack of potatos
« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2014, 05:00:36 PM »
Seriously?  You did not recognize the movie reference?

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Re: Neck shot drops hostage-taker like a sack of potatos
« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2014, 05:47:04 PM »
Looks like the SWAT team was within 10 yards judging by how quickly they got to the perp after he dropped.

They are running ARs, so they probably have a 2.5 inch offset, depending on their sights. I couldn't tell if they had Aimpoints or EOTechs or scopes.

All in all, if the cop was aiming for the head and hit the neck, then that is a poor shot.
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Re: Neck shot drops hostage-taker like a sack of potatos
« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2014, 05:57:35 PM »
Looks like the SWAT team was within 10 yards judging by how quickly they got to the perp after he dropped.

They are running ARs, so they probably have a 2.5 inch offset, depending on their sights. I couldn't tell if they had Aimpoints or EOTechs or scopes.

All in all, if the cop was aiming for the head and hit the neck, then that is a poor shot.

2.5" offset, probably zeroed to 100-200 yards, I would expect poi to be at least 2" low at 20 yards for something as quick as a .223
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Re: Neck shot drops hostage-taker like a sack of potatos
« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2014, 10:31:00 PM »
Yep.  Open Range is one of the best Westerns of the last 10 or 15 years.

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Re: Neck shot drops hostage-taker like a sack of potatos
« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2014, 10:36:09 PM »
2.5" offset, probably zeroed to 100-200 yards, I would expect poi to be at least 2" low at 20 yards for something as quick as a .223

Maybe.

For a SWAT team AR, I would expect a 25 or 50 yard zero, especially if they kick doors.  In any case, I expect a SWAT officer to have better accuracy than that, assuming the shot was aimed for the head. Then again, maybe the shooter was using a bolt action .308 with a scope and didn't know his short range dope.
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Re: Neck shot drops hostage-taker like a sack of potatos
« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2014, 05:39:48 AM »
"Then again, maybe the shooter was using a bolt action .308 with a scope and didn't know his short range dope." 

Hmmm, I don't see that.  Supposedly these guys are trained to the max.  And anyone who's shot close up with high sights should know that.  Presuming he shot low, I'd rather suspect the hoodie hid the topography of the anatomy, or the fact that few telescopes focus well at close range.  (I've got a 12X varmint scope that won't focus to 25 yards.)

Apparently the dipwad is still alive as of the news at 7PM --I've been out of touch since then.  El Dipwado had quite a record and did time, too, according to that 7 PM report.  At that point --7PM -- it wasn't clear if he actually had a gun, so maybe he was bluffing his way through the whole thing.

And I was looking at the bullet hole in the glass.  Without scaling to verify it, it looked bigger than a .22, like maybe .308 or even 9mm but I frankly don't know how glass reacts to a 3000 f/s projectile.  Would it blow a hole that much bigger than the projectile?

I don't see an urban PD using a .308  in a close quarters urban situation.

All this, bearing in mind that it's all speculation at this point, but it's interesting to MMQB the ballistics anyhow.

In any case, job well done, DPD!  Everyone went home safe except His Dipwadness.

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