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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: zahc on March 09, 2010, 11:24:35 AM
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703954904575110124037066854.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsThird
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Lawmakers working to craft a new comprehensive immigration bill have settled on a way to prevent employers from hiring illegal immigrants: a national biometric identification card all American workers would eventually be required to obtain.
Mr. Schumer said employers would be able to buy a scanner to check the IDs for as much as $800. Small employers, he said, could take their applicants to a government office to like the Department of Motor Vehicles and have their hands scanned there.
Clearly, in order to solve the illegal immigration problem, we need a national ID card worker ID card so that the government can hold employers more accountable for hiring illegals. Of course, all employees of all types will be required to have the ID card. It's not a national ID card though. You only need it if you want to be employed.
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703954904575110124037066854.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsThird
(http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703954904575110124037066854.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsThird)
Clearly, in order to solve the illegal immigration problem, we need a national ID card worker ID card so that the government can hold employers more accountable for hiring illegals. Of course, all employees of all types will be required to have the ID card. It's not a national ID card though. You only need it if you want to be employed.
This will end well, I'm sure...
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and this is bad why?
Pretty much everyone already has a Drivers License or some sort of state issued ID.
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This sort of thing is foolish and redundant, with eVerify up & running.
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and this is bad why?
Pretty much everyone already has a Drivers License or some sort of state issued ID.
Well,what good is a big national program without means of enforcement? Godwin be damned, you can't very well force this on everyone who wants a job without saying Ze papers please! If you doubt that a slippery slope can exist, how about this quote from the article.
Mr. Graham says he respects those concerns but disagrees. "We've all got Social Security cards," he said. "They're just easily tampered with. Make them tamper-proof. That's all I'm saying."
That's our Republican defender of limited government, apparently completely oblivious to the fact that politicians before him swore up and down that SS would never be ID. Just read a great book about Uzbekistan, can you imagine having to have internal travel papers if you were traveling outside your home state? Or the corruption that can come with enforcement of that? People there think that is normal.
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and this is bad why?
Pretty much everyone already has a Drivers License or some sort of state issued ID.
So?
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First they work, then they vote. It's a pretty simple plan.
We have mlllions unemployed, citizens and legal residents, but still the pressure for importing foreign help rolls on.
The only path they need is the path out of here.
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and this is bad why?
Pretty much everyone already has a Drivers License or some sort of state issued ID.
Yep.
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Well,what good is a big national program without means of enforcement? Godwin be damned, you can't very well force this on everyone who wants a job without saying Ze papers please! If you doubt that a slippery slope can exist, how about this quote from the article.
When is the last time you started a new job?
I had to show my SS Card and my drivers license to verify that I was legal to work in the US. (I was born here and only have lived in the US)
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I heard something about the card having biometric info (fingerprint) to verify the cardholders identity. So, every man, woman and child in the US has to be fingerprinted? Why not DNA? Not a big leap at all. Graham says the card will be used "only" for verifying citizenship yeaheffingright. Kinda like the SSAN card could be used "only" for social security purposes and not as identification.
Just because we are already getting screwed around by the gov doesn't mean we should accept every additional stupid idea they come up with, because we "are already getting screwed around". =|
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When is the last time you started a new job?
I had to show my SS Card and my drivers license to verify that I was legal to work in the US. (I was born here and only have lived in the US)
So your argument is that the camel's nose is already under the tent, he looks like a nice bloke, so let's have him in for a spot of tea?
Oh, I already have a biometric ID card, US military. Of course, if I don't like that I can just not re-enlist. Tried to apply for a job recently and that card(with SSN on it) and my driver's license were insufficient to prove that I was who I was, but bring my stupid little Social Security card and that somehow makes it better?
Do things the old tedious way. Notarized birth certificate, states issue their own driver's license, if you can't produce documentation that you were born here, green card, or naturalization then go away. The strong-arm tactic of get this biometric ID card or don't work is something no good will come of.
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I heard something about the card having biometric info (fingerprint) to verify the cardholders identity. So, every man, woman and child in the US has to be fingerprinted? Why not DNA? Not a big leap at all. Graham says the card will be used "only" for verifying citizenship yeaheffingright. Kinda like the SSAN card could be used "only" for social security purposes and not as identification.
Just because we are already getting screwed around by the gov doesn't mean we should accept every additional stupid idea they come up with, because we "are already getting screwed around". =|
And if the Dems weren't so dependent on dead voters, then I could easily see them proposing for you to have insert your National "Workers" card into the slot on the voting machine. You know, to confirm you are eligible to vote...
and this is bad why?
The fact that our current crop of politicians came up with it and the federal government wants to implement it should tell you WHY it's a bad idea. Have you ever seen them embrace a good idea?
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Capt. Vasili Borodin: I will live in Montana. And I will marry a round American woman and raise rabbits, and she will cook them for me. And I will have a pickup truck... maybe even a "recreational vehicle." And drive from state to state. Do they let you do that?
Captain Ramius: I suppose.
Capt. Vasili Borodin: No papers?
Captain Ramius: No papers, state to state.
Well, it was nice while it lasted ....
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Capt. Vasili Borodin: I will live in Montana. And I will marry a round American woman and raise rabbits, and she will cook them for me. And I will have a pickup truck... maybe even a "recreational vehicle." And drive from state to state. Do they let you do that?
Captain Ramius: I suppose.
Capt. Vasili Borodin: No papers?
Captain Ramius: No papers, state to state.
Well, it was nice while it lasted ....
Remember that Borodin was killed before the movie ended........
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There is no more potent weapon in the .gov arsenal than the database.
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Nothing good will come of this. It will become a national ID card from the moment it is implemented. You will be required to carry it with you at all times. You will need it to get a job. You will need it to vote. You will need to carry it to perform the myriad other mundane tasks in your life that you now do with your drivers license. And eventually you will need it to travel.
Nothing good will come of this.
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Do things the old tedious way. Notarized birth certificate, states issue their own driver's license, if you can't produce documentation that you were born here, green card, or naturalization then go away.
Perhaps this worker ID will show that you have already taken that step?
You need a passport to travel to other countries and to get back in the US I don't see people pitching a fit about that.
In a nut shell I think people are looking way too deep into this much like the census thread. [tinfoil]
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In a nut shell I think people are looking way too deep into this much like the census thread. [tinfoil]
I don't think it's possible to look too deep into anything the government does. I'm sure it is going to guaranty plenty of new Union (there are more union employees in gov jobs than in the private sector) jobs too.
We may be on the road to H3ll already, but I'm going to do my d@mndest not to make it any easier for the stinking Progressives in both parties.
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You need a passport to travel to other countries and to get back in the US I don't see people pitching a fit about that.
Because:
A. Most people in the US, in my experience, don't travel that much.
B. People are used to passports. Last time there was real passport-free travel it was before WW1.
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Small employers, he said, could take their applicants to a government office to like the Department of Motor Vehicles and have their hands scanned there.
We may be on the road to H3ll already,
I may be a bit old-fashioned and not as intellekshually progressive as others, but I remember when suggestions like this would prompt the following quote before the thread got quite this far:
He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
DD
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I'm with you Doggy Daddy. While part of me loves the idea of all this new technology and the cool and efficient stuff that is on the horizon, another part of me knows that this is all just brining us closer to the end. It is stunning how well biometrics fit the Mark of the Beast.
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What good is any ID program when there is no enforcement? Some states give drivers licenses to illegals now so that won't work. The SS card does not have any photo so anyone can use anybody elses card. The FRID chip can be monitored on every street corner so the government can follow your daily activies....On, I forgot about Obama's brown shirts. They will probably do the enforcement......chris3
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What good is any ID program when there is no enforcement? Some states give drivers licenses to illegals now so that won't work. The SS card does not have any photo so anyone can use anybody elses card. The FRID chip can be monitored on every street corner so the government can follow your daily activies....On, I forgot about Obama's brown shirts. They will probably do the enforcement......chris3
SS has no picture, because it was never supposed to be used as ID. The card was strictly supposed to be used to collect benefits. That should tell you something about trusting government to keep it's promises. Particularly with person specific data.
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Oh, I already have a biometric ID card, US military. Of course, if I don't like that I can just not re-enlist. Tried to apply for a job recently and that card(with SSN on it) and my driver's license were insufficient to prove that I was who I was, but bring my stupid little Social Security card and that somehow makes it better?
Either the DL or military ID will prove who you are but as I-9 list B items, they must be accompanied by a list C (employment authorization) item. Use only a list A item to avoid that. A passport is pretty much the only list A item that most folks can get.
See page 5: http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-9.pdf
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Yeah, I am quite familiar with the Idiot-9 form now. I just find it hilarious that a 20 year old blue piece of paper with a number poked on it by a dot matrix printer proves who I am better than an ID card with my thumbprint electronically encoded on it. That and the fact that it is damned irritating to serve 15 years in your country's military and be treated like a suspect anyway.
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Yeah, I am quite familiar with the Idiot-9 form now. I just find it hilarious that a 20 year old blue piece of paper with a number poked on it by a dot matrix printer proves who I am better than an ID card with my thumbprint electronically encoded on it. That and the fact that it is damned irritating to serve 15 years in your country's military and be treated like a suspect anyway.
It used to specify on the form that an expired passport could be used. I knew one guy who kept the one from when he was an infant for just that reason. It drove people crazy, since it's a bit tough to be sure that the <1 year old in the picture is the 20-something in front of you.
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If these "worker cards" are embedded with biometrics what happens if your card is cracked and some hacker copies your biometric information? If their including fingerprints, how many one all ten?
If the cards contain all ten prints how could you "cancel" access on your old one without effectively removing yourself from the database.