Post by: txgho1911 on February 09, 2008, 02:36:53 PM
I so wish Fred didn't drop out.
Post by: MrRezister on February 09, 2008, 02:57:42 PM
Post by: txgho1911 on February 09, 2008, 03:37:11 PM
The only other thing that makes me pause on RP is his age.
Where is the next Reagan? where have all the cowboys gone? Bush was the latest new england transplant and nothing more.
Post by: Standing Wolf on February 09, 2008, 04:30:13 PM
Post by: Manedwolf on February 09, 2008, 04:44:18 PM
I'm not sure people like Huckabee so much as loathe, detest, and despise McCain.
1. He doesn't seem to be a schizophrenic like McCain.
2. He's not a "same old, D.C. insider, 4 years of the same" like McCain.
3. He didn't push an amnesty bill like McCain.
4. Unlike McCain, Huckabee has ACTUALLY SAID that the second amendment is not about hunting, it's about defense, etc.
5. When asked a question, instead of McCain's equivocating, Huckabee gives a straight answer
Post by: Finch on February 09, 2008, 05:09:45 PM
I'm not sure people like Huckabee so much as loathe, detest, and despise McCain.
1. He doesn't seem to be a schizophrenic like McCain.
2. He's not a "same old, D.C. insider, 4 years of the same" like McCain.
3. He didn't push an amnesty bill like McCain.
4. Unlike McCain, Huckabee has ACTUALLY SAID that the second amendment is not about hunting, it's about defense, etc.
5. When asked a question, instead of McCain's equivocating, Huckabee gives a straight answer
1. He thinks that we need to amend the Constitution to align it with God's message
2. He raised Taxes and spending while governor of Arkansas
3. He supported giving illegals drivers licenses
4. He supports the Patriot Act
5. I'm off to the Gym.
Post by: Manedwolf on February 09, 2008, 05:11:05 PM
The choice at this point is Huck or McCain. Period.
Also, Rick Perry is an ass.
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Texas Gov. Rick Perry has asked Mike Huckabee to drop out of the GOP presidential race, but Huckabee who says hes banking on miracles in his long-shot bid against John McCain declined.
Perry, a McCain supporter, called Huckabee Friday asking him to pull out for the good of the party, according to a senior Huckabee campaign aide.
Huckabee confirmed he received the call, and said he didnt take it seriously.
I told that him while I appreciated it, with all due respect, since he was already on someone elses team that I had to discount his advice since he had a vested interest in my not winning and McCain winning, he said. Since he was endorsing my opponent, therecommendation rang a little hollow to me. Again it was a cordial conversation but not one that I would take seriously.
Perry, a McCain supporter, called Huckabee Friday asking him to pull out for the good of the party, according to a senior Huckabee campaign aide.
Huckabee confirmed he received the call, and said he didnt take it seriously.
I told that him while I appreciated it, with all due respect, since he was already on someone elses team that I had to discount his advice since he had a vested interest in my not winning and McCain winning, he said. Since he was endorsing my opponent, therecommendation rang a little hollow to me. Again it was a cordial conversation but not one that I would take seriously.
Post by: Finch on February 09, 2008, 05:46:33 PM
So you prefer McCain, Finch?
Nope, since Ron Paul pretty much conceded I have nothing to look forward to in this race. I don't like McCain or Huckleberry and both will make this country worse instead of better.
Post by: Bigjake on February 09, 2008, 05:57:16 PM
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Nope, since Ron Paul pretty much conceded I have nothing to look forward to in this race. I don't like McCain or Huckleberry and both will make this country worse instead of better.
The Riders approach, I agree with another Paulian.....
Post by: seeker_two on February 10, 2008, 04:19:08 AM
So you prefer McCain, Finch?
The choice at this point is Huck or McCain. Period.
Also, Rick Perry is an ass.
The choice at this point is Huck or McCain. Period.
Also, Rick Perry is an ass.
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Texas Gov. Rick Perry has asked Mike Huckabee to drop out of the GOP presidential race, but Huckabee who says hes banking on miracles in his long-shot bid against John McCain declined.
Perry, a McCain supporter, called Huckabee Friday asking him to pull out for the good of the party, according to a senior Huckabee campaign aide.
Huckabee confirmed he received the call, and said he didnt take it seriously.
I told that him while I appreciated it, with all due respect, since he was already on someone elses team that I had to discount his advice since he had a vested interest in my not winning and McCain winning, he said. Since he was endorsing my opponent, therecommendation rang a little hollow to me. Again it was a cordial conversation but not one that I would take seriously.
Perry, a McCain supporter, called Huckabee Friday asking him to pull out for the good of the party, according to a senior Huckabee campaign aide.
Huckabee confirmed he received the call, and said he didnt take it seriously.
I told that him while I appreciated it, with all due respect, since he was already on someone elses team that I had to discount his advice since he had a vested interest in my not winning and McCain winning, he said. Since he was endorsing my opponent, therecommendation rang a little hollow to me. Again it was a cordial conversation but not one that I would take seriously.
Just now figure that out?......
Perry's hoping for a VP or Cabinet nomination from McCain.....not to further his political career, but to save his neck for when he has to leave the protection of the governor's mansion and face Texans on the street....
Post by: Tecumseh on February 11, 2008, 08:33:41 AM
So you prefer McCain, Finch?
Nope, since Ron Paul pretty much conceded I have nothing to look forward to in this race. I don't like McCain or Huckleberry and both will make this country worse instead of better.
Post by: Manedwolf on February 11, 2008, 09:19:50 AM
So you prefer McCain, Finch?
Nope, since Ron Paul pretty much conceded I have nothing to look forward to in this race. I don't like McCain or Huckleberry and both will make this country worse instead of better.
Which means you'd be electing Hillbama.
If you can't figure out that all we can do is minimize the damage, then perhaps you shouldn't vote.
Post by: MrRezister on February 11, 2008, 09:46:35 AM
Which means you'd be electing Hillbama.
If you can't figure out that all we can do is minimize the damage, then perhaps you shouldn't vote.
Yeah, damned if you do, damned if you don't.
So keep your damned mouth shut, and put the Party before your worthless beliefs.
Post by: ilbob on February 11, 2008, 10:23:37 AM
Which means you'd be electing Hillbama.
If you can't figure out that all we can do is minimize the damage, then perhaps you shouldn't vote.
Yeah, damned if you do, damned if you don't.
So keep your damned mouth shut, and put the Party before your worthless beliefs.
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 11, 2008, 10:39:30 AM
Post by: beatnik on February 11, 2008, 11:49:38 AM
It's not a given yet that McAmnesty is going to the convention with 1197 delegates. There are still other primaries and caucuses to get through, and even if he did have 1197 according to CNN, that's still according to CNN, and they're wrong.
It also says two things on his web site:
1) he specifically says he's in it until the money dries up, and there's still $100k a day going into his chest, and
2) the neocons are after his congressional seat. He HAS to take some time to win back his seat, specifically to prevent ManedWolf from showing up here and saying "see, his own district doesn't want him".
And it works like this: I will never not vote my conscience. I voted for the lesser of two muppets in the last two elections, and it got me unaffordable housing, high gas prices, bloated government, endless war, suspension of basic constitutional rights, and a crashing dollar.
If your new muppet loses it's because he's running on that platform, not because I didn't vote for him.
Post by: MrRezister on February 11, 2008, 11:57:53 AM
And it works like this: I will never not vote my conscience. I voted for the lesser of two muppets in the last two elections, and it got me unaffordable housing, high gas prices, bloated government, endless war, suspension of basic constitutional rights, and a crashing dollar.
You're supposed to be grateful the "greater evil" didn't win, just think how much worse you'd have it.
Also, I've been told that obeying your conscience is overrated, and possibly unpatriotic.
Post by: ilbob on February 11, 2008, 12:08:48 PM
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unaffordable housing, high gas prices, bloated government, endless war, suspension of basic constitutional rights, and a crashing dollar.
Just how would any of this had been different if Gore or Kerry had won the election, other than most of these problems would probably be worse?
Post by: Manedwolf on February 11, 2008, 12:09:24 PM
And it works like this: I will never not vote my conscience. I voted for the lesser of two muppets in the last two elections, and it got me unaffordable housing, high gas prices, bloated government, endless war, suspension of basic constitutional rights, and a crashing dollar.
You're supposed to be grateful the "greater evil" didn't win, just think how much worse you'd have it.
Also, I've been told that obeying your conscience is overrated, and possibly unpatriotic.
Look. Reality check.
If Huckabee doesn't get it, it WILL be McCain vs. Obama/Hillary.
It WILL. There is no other choice. RON PAUL IS NOT IN THE ELECTION.
At that point, you can waste your vote and let Hillbama get in, or you can hold your nose and vote for "sucks, but not four years of hell".
Yes, it sucks. THERE IS NO OTHER CHOICE at this point.
Post by: El Tejon on February 11, 2008, 12:13:44 PM
Post by: MrRezister on February 11, 2008, 12:14:41 PM
Yes, it sucks. THERE IS NO OTHER CHOICE at this point.
Does not compute.
Post by: Manedwolf on February 11, 2008, 12:16:11 PM
So, great. The delusional Paulisitinians are going to put Hillbama in office.
WONDERFUL.
Post by: Tecumseh on February 11, 2008, 12:22:35 PM
Oh, for..
So, great. The delusionalPaulisitinians Neo-Conservatives are going to put Hillbama in office.
WONDERFUL.
Fixed it for you. I am sorry but as far as minimizing the damage, why didnt people put someone like Paul in office in the first place? I am sorry but the platform is broken and I cannot vote for any other candidates.
So, great. The delusional
WONDERFUL.
Post by: beatnik on February 11, 2008, 12:24:09 PM
Look. Reality check.
If Huckabee doesn't get it, it WILL be McCain vs. Obama/Hillary.
It WILL. There is no other choice. RON PAUL IS NOT IN THE ELECTION.
If Huckabee doesn't get it, it WILL be McCain vs. Obama/Hillary.
It WILL. There is no other choice. RON PAUL IS NOT IN THE ELECTION.
Look. Reality check.
There is proof of election fraud in New York.
There is serious contention as to the results of New Hampshire. Results from a recount are still coming in.
In Washington, the election was called with 87% reporting, and there were literally hundreds of votes difference between McCain and Huckabee.
In Louisiana there is a lawsuit coming up to force the LA GOP to abide by its own rules instead of changing things arbitrarily in order to anoint a candidate.
Did this stuff happen in the past? I'm sure. But it's happening now, and we know about it.
Are you paying attention? No, you're too busy trying to cut your losses to realize that you have nothing to lose. It's gone already. Your future is being decided for you.
If you spent all the energy you spend hating RP on something constructive, like investigating and participating in the cleanup of all the fraud that's going on, maybe we wouldn't have to hold our noses and cast the fear ballot.
Post by: charby on February 11, 2008, 12:24:39 PM
Oh, for..
So, great. The delusional Paulisitinians are going to put Hillbama in office.
WONDERFUL.
So, great. The delusional Paulisitinians are going to put Hillbama in office.
WONDERFUL.
Be happy they are voting, don't critize someone for writing in a candidate that didn't get a party nod.
Post by: Manedwolf on February 11, 2008, 12:25:43 PM
Oh, for..
So, great. The delusionalPaulisitinians Neo-Conservatives are going to put Hillbama in office.
WONDERFUL.
Fixed it for you. I am sorry but as far as minimizing the damage, why didnt people put someone like Paul in office in the first place? I am sorry but the platform is broken and I cannot vote for any other candidates.So, great. The delusional
WONDERFUL.
Hm. Perhaps because he's a delusional old man who thinks repeating Jimmy Carter's foreign policy would work, and that the US could be disconnected from the infinitely complex global economy and go to a 19th century gold standard without completely failing and imploding its economy? Once you get past the rhetoric, you quickly find that his policy ideas might as well be scrawled in crayon.
Paul needs to be put in front of the TV with a bowl of pudding and old "Matlock" reruns, and his disciples need to wake up to reality.
Are his followers really that bad at math, in the percentage of delegates he would have? Are they?
Post by: beatnik on February 11, 2008, 12:31:26 PM
Hm. Perhaps because he's a delusional old man who thinks repeating Jimmy Carter's foreign policy would work, and that the US could be disconnected from the infinitely complex global economy and go to a 19th century gold standard without completely failing and imploding its economy? Once you get past the rhetoric, you quickly find that his policy ideas might as well be scrawled in crayon.
Are his followers really that bad at math, in the percentage of delegates he would have? Are they?
Are his followers really that bad at math, in the percentage of delegates he would have? Are they?
Is ad hom all you got?
Have you read any arguments in favor of the gold standard, or is the "past the rhetoric" part the bit where he gets called a delusional old man because we all know the gold standard is old fashioned?
Do you know how the delegate selection process works? Do you know how the Republican convention works?
Post by: Finch on February 11, 2008, 12:45:45 PM
Paul needs to be put in front of the TV with a bowl of pudding and old "Matlock" reruns, and his disciples need to wake up to reality.
You're right. I have seen the light. Terrorist don't hate us because we are trying to screw over their country, they hate us because we mind our own business and are a free and prosperous nation. Never mind the fact that they don't attack other free and prosperous nations that mind their own business, just the ones that meddle in the internal affairs of others.
And then there is the reality that inflating a currency to pay for a great and just war that we absolutely need to do so the Iraqis wouldn't attack us will not damage the economy in anyway.
And I can't forget the reality that the Constitution can be side step for the war on terrah! Who needs freedom when a band of thugs are pissed off at us.
Post by: seeker_two on February 11, 2008, 12:47:32 PM
Oh, for..
So, great. The delusional Paulisitinians are going to put Hill-/-bama in office.
WONDERFUL.
So, great. The delusional Paulisitinians are going to put Hill-/-bama in office.
WONDERFUL.
For accuracy, you need to separate the two.....
Obama will be a one-term failure of a President.....
Hillary will be Empress for Life......
Post by: CAnnoneer on February 12, 2008, 12:00:01 PM
Post by: lupinus on February 12, 2008, 12:29:19 PM
Oh thats funny. Sorry, but I refuse to call someone with a ton of sudden revelations a conservative.
Post by: CAnnoneer on February 12, 2008, 02:22:44 PM
In any case, that is not the point. The point is that as a result of Huckee's bullcrap, now the nomination is assuredly in the hands of McStain who is anything but conservative on any issue other than Iraq. Good job, Huckabilly.
Post by: lupinus on February 12, 2008, 03:28:00 PM
The mans done nothing good, ever. Least McCain isn't lieing...well as much anyway
Post by: CAnnoneer on February 12, 2008, 04:12:34 PM
Least McCain isn't lieing...well as much anyway
Romney changed his positions; Mr Straight-Talk-Express outright continues lying on a number of issues ranging from the meaning of "amnesty" to Romney's position on the troop surge. McStain just hopes the media like him enough that he can continue repeating lies without consequence; the sad thing is he is probably right about that. I cannot see how Romney is the worse one in terms of lying.
Post by: Finch on February 12, 2008, 10:01:57 PM
I have not said that Romney is a "real conservative". But, at least he talks the talk.
Yeah...this year.
Post by: Tecumseh on February 13, 2008, 08:22:33 AM
Oh, for..
So, great. The delusional Paulisitinians are going to put Hillbama in office.
WONDERFUL.
Another thing I was thinking about,So, great. The delusional Paulisitinians are going to put Hillbama in office.
WONDERFUL.
the number of total voters for the democratic party seems to outnumber the total voters in the GOP. I mean total voters not necessarily percentages. I suspect that because the GOP is so disenfranchised right now we will have a democratic president in 2008.
Thanks to W, for making every Republican look bad and for screwing the country over yet again is what I keep thinking.
Post by: Tecumseh on February 13, 2008, 08:28:11 AM
I have not said that Romney is a "real conservative". But, at least he talks the talk. By comparison, on social issues Huckee sounds like Obama more often than not, so we already know he will not walk the walk.
In any case, that is not the point. The point is that as a result of Huckee's bullcrap, now the nomination is assuredly in the hands of McStain who is anything but conservative on any issue other than Iraq. Good job, Huckabilly.
What if we are not concerned with social issues? I am more concerned with economic issues, financial issues, and the War of terror. I am not as concerned with abortions, gay rights, or any of that in particular but it does affect our freedom. Romney was a horrible fake candidate, Huckabee is to religious and lets his faith guide his actions which terrifies me. In any case, that is not the point. The point is that as a result of Huckee's bullcrap, now the nomination is assuredly in the hands of McStain who is anything but conservative on any issue other than Iraq. Good job, Huckabilly.
Why would you blame someone for staying in the race? Shouldnt they have the right to until the nominations are finished? Don't you like the way democracy works?
Post by: ilbob on February 13, 2008, 09:04:53 AM
I got no respect for Huckee. When it became clear that it was between McStain and Romney, Huckee should have pulled out and let a somewhat conservative guy duke it out with the socialist. Instead he stayed and did just enough vote-diversion and damage on Romney to get Romney to drop out. So what did Huckee or conservatism win out of all this?? He is sorely mistaken if he thinks this bs somehow will get McStain to choose him for VP. That makes him not only unprincipled but also plain stupid.
Is there any significant difference between Huckabee and Romney?
Post by: ilbob on February 13, 2008, 09:07:07 AM
I got no respect for Huckee. When it became clear that it was between McStain and Romney, Huckee should have pulled out and let a somewhat conservative guy duke it out with the socialist. Instead he stayed and did just enough vote-diversion and damage on Romney to get Romney to drop out. So what did Huckee or conservatism win out of all this?? He is sorely mistaken if he thinks this bs somehow will get McStain to choose him for VP. That makes him not only unprincipled but also plain stupid.
Is there any significant difference between Huckabee and Romney? Huckabee Pluses
Guns
Abortion
Romney Pluses
No amnesty for illegals
Somewhat better foreign policy ideas
Post by: lupinus on February 13, 2008, 12:41:25 PM
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Romney changed his positions;
If he ever makes it to the white house, or at least a position where he can prove this, I'll be happy to say I was wrong about him.But it's all to common after a lifetime of actions to suddenly change your tune during an election only to relapse as soon as you win.
Post by: Tecumseh on February 14, 2008, 01:19:50 AM
I got no respect for Huckee. When it became clear that it was between McStain and Romney, Huckee should have pulled out and let a somewhat conservative guy duke it out with the socialist. Instead he stayed and did just enough vote-diversion and damage on Romney to get Romney to drop out. So what did Huckee or conservatism win out of all this?? He is sorely mistaken if he thinks this bs somehow will get McStain to choose him for VP. That makes him not only unprincipled but also plain stupid.
Is there any significant difference between Huckabee and Romney? Huckabee Pluses
Guns
Abortion
Romney Pluses
No amnesty for illegals
Somewhat better foreign policy ideas