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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #50 on: December 10, 2020, 06:50:14 PM »
Then Pence selects Trump as VP  =D
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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #51 on: December 10, 2020, 08:19:38 PM »
If it goes to the House the thought among the pundits is it will almost certainly flip.  Each state only gets one vote, and [I'm told} there are more republican delegations in the house.

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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #52 on: December 10, 2020, 10:07:57 PM »
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   Texas seeks to invalidate elections in four states for yielding results with which it disagrees. Its request for this Court to exercise its original jurisdiction and then anoint Texas’s preferred candidate for President is legally indefensible and is an afront to principles of constitutional democracy.

    What Texas is doing in this proceeding is to ask this Court to reconsider a mass of baseless claims about problems with the election that have already been considered, and rejected, by this Court and other courts. It attempts to exploit this Court’s sparingly used original jurisdiction to relitigate those matters. But Texas obviously lacks standing to bring such claims, which, in any event, are barred by laches, and are moot, meritless, and dangerous. Texas has not suffered harm simply because it dislikes the result of the election, and nothing in the text, history, or structure of the Constitution supports Texas’s view that it can dictate the manner in which four other states run their elections. Nor is that view grounded in any precedent from this Court. Texas does not seek to have the Court interpret the Constitution, so much as disregard it.

    The cascading series of compounding defects in Texas’s filings is only underscored by the surreal alternate reality that those filings attempt to construct. That alternate reality includes an absurd statistical analysis positing that the probability of President-Elect Biden winning the election was “one in a quadrillion.” Bill of Complaint at 6. Texas’s effort to get this Court to pick the next President has no basis in law or fact. The Court should not abide this seditious abuse of the judicial process, and should send a clear and unmistakable signal that such abuse must never be replicated.

Rather strident language when dealing with the SC. I would have thought a little less rhetorical hubris and a bit more "meat" would be in order when dealing with the highest court in the land.

Then in other news, PA joined Texas in the lawsuit.

PA is suing itself.
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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #53 on: December 10, 2020, 11:32:26 PM »
Is there any reason the senate couldn't elect Trump as VP?
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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #54 on: December 11, 2020, 01:08:26 AM »
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Rather strident language when dealing with the SC. I would have thought a little less rhetorical hubris and a bit more "meat" would be in order when dealing with the highest court in the land.

Then in other news, PA joined Texas in the lawsuit.

PA is suing itself.

PA state Congress suing the state Executive?

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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #55 on: December 11, 2020, 08:10:08 AM »
PA state Congress suing the state Executive?

This makes a lot more sense to me. They would have standing that TX doesn't.
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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #56 on: December 11, 2020, 09:13:56 AM »
I'm a bit disappointed in Idaho, one of the few R states not joining Texas:

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Idaho Attorney General Lawrence Wasden said he won’t be participating in the case, citing concerns about counter-litigation.

“As is sometimes the case, the legally correct decision may not be the politically convenient decision,” he said in a statement.

This goes back to what we've been talking about regarding various states legal representatives afraid of lefty riots if they do the right thing.

While I have I often stated that following the letter of the law vs the spirit of the law is often wrong, this certainly seems to be a case of the spirit of the law, and weighing political convenience over it is... disappointing. Even if this becomes nothing more than a statement, it's a statement that needs to be made, and every state should have the guts to pick one side or the other.

Edit: Actually, I just heard a snippet on the local news that said the ID gov, lt gov, and most of the legislature said to go forward with support, but the AG "overruled" them. This is new information for me. Can a state AG overrule the governor and legislature in something like this?
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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #57 on: December 11, 2020, 12:22:26 PM »
And now it gets even more interesting...FBI subpoenas Texas AG in an investigation into allegations of abuse of office and bribery.

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/texas/fbi-subpoena-texas-ag-ken-paxton/
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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #58 on: December 11, 2020, 01:08:23 PM »
And now it gets even more interesting...FBI subpoenas Texas AG in an investigation into allegations of abuse of office and bribery.

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/texas/fbi-subpoena-texas-ag-ken-paxton/

I saw that earlier.  Starting to think this is AG Paxton's bid for a Trump pardon.
In any case, I expect SCOTUS will punt the suit later today.
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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #59 on: December 11, 2020, 01:36:37 PM »
BRIEF OF STATE OF NEW CALIFORNIA AND NEW NEVADA STATE AS AMICI CURIAE IN SUPPORT OF PLAINTIFF’S MOTION FOR LEAVE TO FILE BILL OF COMPLAINT

New California State and New Nevada State are directly impacted by the arbitrary and capricious changes in election laws and procedures occur with unfortunate regularity in the current States of California and Nevada.

Part of the reason for the formation of New California State and New Nevada Sate is to stop the lawless actions of Governors Newsome (California) and Sisolak (Nevada). An opinion by this Court affirming a national, uniform rule of law reestablishing the supremacy of The Electors Clause of Article II, § 1 of the United States Constitution will resolve some of the complaints causing the establishment of these new States.
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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #60 on: December 11, 2020, 02:35:39 PM »
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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #61 on: December 11, 2020, 06:50:46 PM »
Rejected by SCOTUS
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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #62 on: December 11, 2020, 07:07:07 PM »
I was trying to figure out last night which, if any, of the justices would dissent when SCOTUS tossed the case.  I figured at best it would be a 7-2 decision to toss the case and kind of thought Thomas might be a dissenter, and sure enough he was.  I had no real idea who the second might be if there was one.  Turned out it was Alito.
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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #63 on: December 11, 2020, 07:33:35 PM »
I saw that earlier.  Starting to think this is AG Paxton's bid for a Trump pardon.
In any case, I expect SCOTUS will punt the suit later today.


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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #65 on: December 11, 2020, 07:44:15 PM »

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Just some common sense and a healthy disdain for our political betters.
And a realization that our republic has been dying of old age for a while.

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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #66 on: December 11, 2020, 08:02:42 PM »
SCOTUS bitching out doesn’t bode well for Biden legislation cases...
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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #67 on: December 11, 2020, 08:37:05 PM »
Lack of standing... So how quickly do you think residents of each of those states will file essentially identical lawsuits in all 4 states. Not that they'll accomplish much, but....
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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #68 on: December 11, 2020, 09:36:41 PM »
Rejected by SCOTUS

I believe that's that. 

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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #69 on: December 11, 2020, 10:42:25 PM »
Lack of standing... So how quickly do you think residents of each of those states will file essentially identical lawsuits in all 4 states. Not that they'll accomplish much, but....

PA state congress was part of the suit.  Scotus just said the PA congress has no standing to sue the PA executive when the executive usurps congressional powers.  How utterly insane.

It seems as though if they can't steal the election they'll settle for sparking a civil war with bald face lies.

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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #70 on: December 11, 2020, 10:45:38 PM »
The courts are not going to help us.

There is no political solution.

We are watching power, not law.

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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #71 on: December 11, 2020, 10:56:51 PM »
Some comments I've heard:

SCOTUS means nothing now.

Soapbox censored.

Ballot box corrupted.

Jury box denied.

It's clear we're not going to be given representation unless its on their terms.
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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #72 on: December 11, 2020, 11:32:25 PM »
Just to clarify, I believe this won't be civil war 2.  This will be an attempted Bolshevik Revolution in America making this fight a counter-revolution.

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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #73 on: December 11, 2020, 11:44:40 PM »
Just to clarify, I believe this won't be civil war 2.  This will be an attempted Bolshevik Revolution in America making this fight a counter-revolution.

Trumps camp has always encouraged everyone to enjoy the show.

There has been zero talk of taking up arms from anyone, except from armchair warriors who are always ready to take up arms.

Who the heck are they going to shoot anyway?

Having an actual target might help.

This is a psyop/intelligence services battle, we are all just stuck sitting here wondering wtf?

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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #74 on: December 12, 2020, 02:19:03 AM »

There has been zero talk of taking up arms from anyone, except from armchair warriors who are always ready to [insert] have other people [/insert] take up arms.


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