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Is it possible to be too cynical?
« on: July 30, 2021, 09:28:09 AM »
Talking with the guys at work I was told I am very cynical. Its true but when is it cynical versus being truthful?  When I look at the world it seems very pretext driven. An example being traffic stops which are "for safety" but mostly for revenue collection in my opinion. The covid response of you cant have a gathering except for the correct political cause shows that control is what's important not health. Internet groups censoring the opposition when their own side is just as bad or not worse. I see that kind of behavior even with coporate stuff as the different groups or sites try to shuffle their costs to another while keeping the profits. I dont get how people can says politician X is doing so and so because he cares about the issue or country. Maybe they do but I bet its difened as helping themselves first because whats good for them is good for the county..
 Im a pretty contented guy in general. I feel that my life and indeed life in general is an amazing thing. Is there a downside to being too cynical? Missing opprtunity for joy perhaps? Im not sure and would like to hear what everyone thinks? Thanks, Pete

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Re: Is it possible to be too cynical?
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2021, 09:40:16 AM »
If being cynical is getting in the way of living your life, then yes.  If your cynicism causes you to be cautious and prepared for what comes your way, I'd say no.  I expect things to go wrong, and try to be prepared for that.  Since I don't like unscheduled surprises, as I call them, I act with caution, and a healthy dose of cynicism.  There are those on here who disagree, I am certain.

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Re: Is it possible to be too cynical?
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2021, 09:58:28 AM »
First let's make sure that your co-workers know the difference between cynicism and pessimism. Cynicism is a presumption of worst intentions (distrust of people), pessimism is a presumption of worst outcomes (distrust of situation).

That being said... Yes, it is possible to be too cynical.

There is an art to being truthful without being perceived as unfeeling or uncaring. It's a much an issue of how the words are spoken as it is the words themselves. There are also times when speaking an opinion, or even a fact for that matter, may be detrimental to the conversation.

In addition, it is possible to simply wear people out with cynicism/pessimism. There comes a time when people get tired of hearing "worst possibles" even though the words might be absolute fact and infallible truth. What you perceive as being honest they perceive as being grouchy, irritable, untrusting, and overly critical.

Finally, as to your last question, the answer is a resounding Yes. Always presuming worst possible outcomes and intentions limits you to that lens, often blinding you to the good in things and people. As with everything, balance is key. Being a cynic and a pessimist when it's merited is fine. Being a cynic and a pessimist by default isn't. Not only does it tend to drive people away, it isn't all that great for your physical health, either.

The saying "Expect the Best. Prepare for the Worst." really is the way to go. A balance of hopeful optimism and acknowledgement of potential negatives.

*Edit to add* Looks like Grandpa Shooter and I were posting pretty much the same thing at the same time.

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Re: Is it possible to be too cynical?
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2021, 10:00:42 AM »
I would agree with that.  Don't let the cynicism get so bad it interferes with your basic happiness.  But taking an honest view of things is not bad IMO. 
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Re: Is it possible to be too cynical?
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2021, 10:18:18 AM »
It is possible to be too cynical about your fellow Americans.  I was feeling really cynical and hateful about them, and then this happened to me the other day:

https://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=64967.msg1313620#msg1313620

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Re: Is it possible to be too cynical?
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2021, 10:19:57 AM »
It seems to me cynicism is accepting the possibility that someone is lying while pessimism is assuming they are. I see a cynic as being more open-minded than a pessimist. It's a fine line between them, but there is a difference.
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Re: Is it possible to be too cynical?
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2021, 12:01:25 AM »
"Okay. We'll use a safe word."
 
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Re: Is it possible to be too cynical?
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2021, 06:24:27 AM »
"Okay. We'll use a safe word."
 
"What is it?"

"Antidisestablishmentarianism."
Be more scientific - Supermicrodistillatingliquichemicosis. 

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Re: Is it possible to be too cynical?
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2021, 12:21:43 PM »
Quote from: peteinct
Is it possible to be too cynical?

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Re: Is it possible to be too cynical?
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2021, 08:02:01 PM »
Why would you ask this?
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Re: Is it possible to be too cynical?
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2021, 08:18:39 PM »
"Is it possible to be too cynical?"

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Re: Is it possible to be too cynical?
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2021, 09:02:29 PM »
First let's make sure that your co-workers know the difference between cynicism and pessimism. Cynicism is a presumption of worst intentions (distrust of people), pessimism is a presumption of worst outcomes (distrust of situation).

That being said... Yes, it is possible to be too cynical.

There is an art to being truthful without being perceived as unfeeling or uncaring. It's a much an issue of how the words are spoken as it is the words themselves. There are also times when speaking an opinion, or even a fact for that matter, may be detrimental to the conversation.

In addition, it is possible to simply wear people out with cynicism/pessimism. There comes a time when people get tired of hearing "worst possibles" even though the words might be absolute fact and infallible truth. What you perceive as being honest they perceive as being grouchy, irritable, untrusting, and overly critical.

Finally, as to your last question, the answer is a resounding Yes. Always presuming worst possible outcomes and intentions limits you to that lens, often blinding you to the good in things and people. As with everything, balance is key. Being a cynic and a pessimist when it's merited is fine. Being a cynic and a pessimist by default isn't. Not only does it tend to drive people away, it isn't all that great for your physical health, either.

The saying "Expect the Best. Prepare for the Worst." really is the way to go. A balance of hopeful optimism and acknowledgement of potential negatives.

*Edit to add* Looks like Grandpa Shooter and I were posting pretty much the same thing at the same time.

Brad

Pretty much this.

My only change would be "Hope for the best" rather than expecting it.  "Expecting" something to happen can sometimes lead to negative emotions if it doesn't.  I strive for the best outcome, and am happy if it happens, but won't get sad/unhappy/disappointed/whatever if it doesn't occur.  If it doesn't, time for Plan B.

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Re: Is it possible to be too cynical?
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2021, 11:35:36 PM »
Be more scientific - Supermicrodistillatingliquichemicosis.

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Re: Is it possible to be too cynical?
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2021, 01:07:22 PM »
I like hawkmoons answer. I do think there's a difference between cynicism and pessimism but I am not sure how to define it. Cynical is about motive perhaps? i think you could lose the opportuuity for happiness in your life if you get too negative in your viewpoint. However people who belive that "people in power are invaribly truthful"(not sure where the quote is from) are naive and foolish in my opinion. Shades of dont piss on my leg and tell me its raining.  Pete

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Re: Is it possible to be too cynical?
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2021, 01:14:08 PM »
Cynical is like pregnant. You either are or you're not.  :facepalm:

I like keeping things plain and simple.  :old:

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Re: Is it possible to be too cynical?
« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2021, 03:30:38 PM »
Cynical is like pregnant. You either are or you're not.  :facepalm:

I like keeping things plain and simple.  :old:

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Re: Is it possible to be too cynical?
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2021, 04:07:09 PM »
I'm too cynical to think it is that simple.
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Re: Is it possible to be too cynical?
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2021, 08:22:11 PM »
I've never met Jim147 but I've got to assume that that'll be one ugly baby.
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Re: Is it possible to be too cynical?
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2021, 08:24:09 PM »
Being cynical is OK as long as you have a warped sense of humor to go along with it.
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Re: Is it possible to be too cynical?
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2021, 09:09:02 PM »
I guess you are pregnant.  That's what I learned from Woody today.

That's life, I guess. One minute you're cynical, next you find that you're pregnant. Never been there, never done that.... Pregnant, that is.

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