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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on October 07, 2023, 08:16:58 AM
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Hamas launched over 5000 missiles at Israel. There are 22 known dead so far.
Does this mean everyone will be replacing Ukrainian flags with Israeli flags, or no? Also interesting that Hamas has this big stockpile of missiles not long after we released $6billion of frozen funds to Iran to "not be used for terrorist activities".
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/hamas-attack-israel-war
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Those hateful evil Nazi Jews deserved it! A dead Israeli is a good Israeli! says every hard leftist ever.
Can't wait to see some of the comments that are going to be flooding out about this.
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Reports of kidnappings.
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Russia's deputy foreign minister said "it goes without saying that we always call for restraint"
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67037895
Oooookay
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Reports of kidnappings.
While hoping for the best for the Israelis, I'm curious about how well armed Israeli civilians along the border are, and if they have any kind of "militia protocols" to stand up a resistance in their neighborhoods?
From the teevee news, this appears to be an attack predominately on civilian soft targets.
Edit: Ah, it appears there are some protocols:
Sir Brian of London
@brianoflondon
Our local municipality is calling all armed civilians to come to a muster point in the area.
https://twitchy.com/artistangie/2023/10/07/breaking-israel-under-large-scale-attack-by-hamas-n2388222
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Nice people
Shocking footage shared on social media appears to show Palestinian fighters parading the naked body of an Israeli woman on the back of a pick-up truck
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12604497/Israel-says-striking-Gaza-targets-Hamas-announces-new-operation.html?ito=link_share_article-image-share#i-f88fe9dfe68cd1ab
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5000 rockets launched at Israel saturated the Iron Dome system, but heaviest casualties seem to have come from the ground invasion. Early reports are that large amounts of explosives were used to blow holes in the wall for access, and even paragliders were used to get terrorists into Israel. Seems that Israeli intelligence dropped the ball.
I vaguely remember reading that Israel had instituted more restrictive "gun control" laws in the decades since the six day war - here's a decidedly anti-gun New York Post opinion piece from ~5 years ago that goes into it. (When reading it, consider the source.) https://nypost.com/2018/02/15/israels-gun-control-laws-can-make-the-us-safer-too/
So if there's any truth to the above, Israeli civilians may have been somewhat helpless in the face of an attack by heavily armed terrorists.
I said years ago that the Israelis should have dealt far more sternly with Gaza . . . but they didn't. Hence today's events.
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5000 rockets launched at Israel saturated the Iron Dome system,
I'm in my armchair talking out of my ass, because I haven't done any confirmation research, but I don't think Iron Dome has ever been overwhelmed before, which makes this kind of a big deal.
People generally think "Top Secret" is all about hiding capabilities. More often than not, it's actually about hiding deficiencies. If you have technology that allows you to identify a bad guy on a ship ten miles from your sensor, you almost want that info out in the wild. What you don't want out there is the information that under "X" atmospheric conditions, that capability is halved.
Israel's enemies now have some field verified idea of Iron Dome's saturation point.
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Waiting to hear from The Squad
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Lefties on several forums are essentially celebrating this and claiming that Isreal "deserves this."
Yeah, we've got some messed up people in our civilization.
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Israel now reporting 70 dead but this could go far higher as more are found and there are roving bands going around shooting anyone they see. Hamas saying they have captured several senior officers along with dozens of others. IDF reporting fighting in 22 locations.
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It's almost certainly going to go higher.
As I said on FB, I have zero confidence that our "administration" will do anything concrete to help Isreal against the other ME countries that are threatening them, so Isreal might just wind up showing them Oppenheimer's Light.
I hope it doesn't go there, but this is just the sort of situation I can envision causing it.
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I would not be surprised to see this bring down Bibi's government. He has, for years, campaigned as the only politician tough enough to keep Israel safe.
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"so Isreal might just wind up showing them Oppenheimer's Light."
Yeah, that didn't happen in 1973, and I very much doubt that it's going to happen now.
In 1973 Israel and a number of its Middle East enemies were at FAR more even parity force and capabilities wise. The Arabs had very strong backing from the Soviets, who flooded weapons into Egypt, Syria, and other participants. That showed in just how badly Israeli tank and air assets were mauled early in the conflict and it was touch and go for Israel for a couple of weeks.
Now, basically, there's no one to really bulk up the Arab states except the United States. The Russians certainly aren't capable of it and I sincerely doubt that the Chinese are going to do it either, given that they're really not on cozy terms with much of the Middle East.
Syria's still in the middle of a nasty civil war, Egypt is a *expletive deleted*it show, Saudi Arabia isn't going to march off against Israel, Jordan is stable but its military capabilities are minuscule compared to Israel. The wild card is, and always is, Iran, but their ties to Hamas took quite the beating during the Syrian civil war and they're still not on the best of terms anymore.
At best, the Arab states will provide Hamas with shadow aid and outright humanitarian aid, but none of them are going to start troops to the bored. They've played that game multiple times before and they've gotten nut punched every time.
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It's almost certainly going to go higher.
As I said on FB, I have zero confidence that our "administration" will do anything concrete to help Isreal against the other ME countries that are threatening them, so Isreal might just wind up showing them Oppenheimer's Light.
I hope it doesn't go there, but this is just the sort of situation I can envision causing it.
At what target? Turn every city/town on their border along with 100% of what international support they have to ash? Iran?
Tanks would have to converging on Tel Aviv for Israel for that to happen and her Arab neighbors are either currently a military basket case and/or pretty much gave up on that idea a long time ago.
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The Middle East has been poorly handled since 2001.
Post WWII SCAP is the model that is needed to deal with this particular fanaticism. Annihilate, strike existential fear into the public, decapitate the Faith of the zealots, re-seed a new culture.
Failing that, a deliberate economic war to make their only resource offering obsolete, and leave them in the Stone Age where they belong.
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Looks to me like it was a major surprise rush. Saw some footage of Israeli navy fire on boats that were attempting to land fighters around the walls. Also video that looks like bands of terrorists had stopped vehicles and killed the people in them, etc.
What I am not sure of is if there is any intent to maintain the attack or just a quick surprise terrorist attack?
Israel is going to destroy a bunch of stuff in Gaza and kill a lot of people (who probably deserve it). People in Gaza celebrating are going to get killed. Western governments will wait until Israel is making headway to destroying the terrorists and then they will demand "peace" and that Israel stop.
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Lefties on several forums are essentially celebrating this and claiming that Isreal "deserves this."
Yeah, we've got some messed up people in our civilization.
I have never understood the hate of the Jews.
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Looks to me like it was a major surprise rush.
If any intelligence (or a propaganda video) is ever released, I'm curious to know what initiated what is apparently the largest hamas assault to date right at this time. I guess it's the High Holidays, but I'm wondering if something else triggered it, or contributed to why it's happening right now.
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'Every time. Like clockwork.': Leftwing media's predictable response to the terrorist attack on Israel
https://twitchy.com/chad-felix-greene/2023/10/07/every-time-like-clockwork-leftwing-medias-predictable-response-to-the-terrorist-attack-on-israel-n2388230
Typical leftist media response. Make little if any comment about the actual terrorist attacks, but start laying in on the Israeli response before it even happens.
Notice that it is the same response they have to crime and punishment. They ignore the victim and criticize any attempt to go after or punish the criminal.
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"What I am not sure of is if there is any intent to maintain the attack or just a quick surprise terrorist attack?"
This is looking to me more and more like a Tet-style attack. Send lots of infiltrators, most essentially suicide squads, to raise as much havoc and cause as much destruction as possible.
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That retard Larry Tribe REALLY stepped in it this morning.
Tweeted out that this was some sort of attempt by Netenyahu (sp?) to "wag the dog of war" to take the eye off his own corruption issues.
Even that ahole Keith Olberman lashed out at him on that, and Tribe has since deleted the tweet and apologized for saying it. In reality, though, I have no doubt that he voiced the thoughts of lots of far-left "progressives."
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'Every time. Like clockwork.': Leftwing media's predictable response to the terrorist attack on Israel
https://twitchy.com/chad-felix-greene/2023/10/07/every-time-like-clockwork-leftwing-medias-predictable-response-to-the-terrorist-attack-on-israel-n2388230
Typical leftist media response. Make little if any comment about the actual terrorist attacks, but start laying in on the Israeli response before it even happens.
Notice that it is the same response they have to crime and punishment. They ignore the victim and criticize any attempt to go after or punish the criminal.
Remind me again which side is today holding "dead body parades" with naked dead women? The Israelis are not pure as the fresh driven snow, but I've never seen the IDF, with big grins on their faces, publically descrate the corpses of civilians.
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White House Issues Condemnation Of Attack Biden Funded
https://babylonbee.com/news/white-house-issues-condemnation-of-attack-biden-funded
I know it's hard to tell sometimes but that's from the Babylon Bee
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White House Issues Condemnation Of Attack Biden Funded
https://babylonbee.com/news/white-house-issues-condemnation-of-attack-biden-funded
I know it's hard to tell sometimes but that's from the Babylon Bee
I don't think Iran has had enough time to put that recently "unfrozen" 6 billion to work, assuming it's even reached their coffers. But didn't Biden resume some level of foreign aid to the "Palestinians" which had been halted by the previous administration?
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Kind of surreal: Bands of Hamas fighters are roaming the streets like street gangs, shooting anyone they see. People are still in their buildings and no cops or IDF visible. Looks like some traffic is even moving.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1710531271481254292
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White House Issues Condemnation Of Attack Biden Funded
https://babylonbee.com/news/white-house-issues-condemnation-of-attack-biden-funded
I know it's hard to tell sometimes but that's from the Babylon Bee
I don't think Iran has had enough time to put that recently "unfrozen" 6 billion to work, assuming it's even reached their coffers. But didn't Biden resume some level of foreign aid to the "Palestinians" which had been halted by the previous administration?
*cough* Babylon Bee
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Kind of surreal: Bands of Hamas fighters are roaming the streets like street gangs, shooting anyone they see. People are still in their buildings and no cops or IDF visible. Looks like some traffic is even moving.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1710531271481254292
Odds on this emboldening similar actions in the US? Not necessarily Muslims, just anyone with a grudge about anything?
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Odds on this emboldening similar actions in the US? Not necessarily Muslims, just anyone with a grudge about anything?
In lefty cities with very low gun ownership rates that might work. Anywhere lots of people have deer rifles the “patrols” would suffer heavy casualties.
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*cough* Babylon Bee
OF COURSE it's the Babylon Bee . . . but I was wondering whether the Bee's satire about Biden funding this attack had an actual element of truth, with the money coming from a different account than the recently unfrozen 6 billion.
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OF COURSE it's the Babylon Bee . . . but I was wondering whether the Bee's satire about Biden funding this attack had an actual element of truth, with the money coming from a different account than the recently unfrozen 6 billion.
On the 6b matter I doubt it since I don't think there's been enough time for the effects of the money being freed up to filter down but if anyone has any evidence otherwise I would like see it.
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Death toll in Israel now at 250
232 reported in Gaza
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67037895?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=6521b4ab3fc96e28602bfc5a%26Death%20toll%20in%20Israel%20now%20250%262023-10-07T19%3A46%3A40.986Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:a0dca6d1-0f08-4050-8899-ac84a9432370&pinned_post_asset_id=6521b4ab3fc96e28602bfc5a&pinned_post_type=share
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On the 6b matter I doubt it since I don't think there's been enough time for the effects of the money being freed up to filter down but if anyone has any evidence otherwise I would like see it.
I don't know the details, but the money being released would have an immediate effect; money is fungible. The 6B being freed up makes other funds they already have but budgeted for other things available. And weapons they already have can be used now because there's money to replace them.
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I don't know the details, but the money being released would have an immediate effect; money is fungible. The 6B being freed up makes other funds they already have but budgeted for other things available. And weapons they already have can be used now because there's money to replace them.
Yeah but Hamas wasn't shooting money into Israel, any weapons purchased with the 6b would take time to buy and build then transport. I'm inclined to believe the rockets for example used today where already there or on their way by the time the 6b was released and overall planning for operation probably started months ago.
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Yeah but Hamas wasn't shooting money into Israel, any weapons purchased with the 6b would take time to buy and build then transport. I'm inclined to believe the rockets for example used today where already there or on their way by the time the 6b was released and overall planning for operation probably started months ago.
The United States Agency for International Development (USAID) improves the lives of the Palestinian people to set conditions for a viable two-state solution. Between September 2021-2024, USAID will provide over $500 million in programming to support the Palestinian people.
https://www.usaid.gov/west-bank-and-gaza/our-work#:~:text=The%20United%20States%20Agency%20for,to%20support%20the%20Palestinian%20people.
USAID, cough, cough.
I also see this as an Israeli Intelligence failure, it takes a day or two to amass the rockets and other armament the terrorists are using. This stuff doesn't come in via next day delivery from Amazon.
bob
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{quote] . . . Between September 2021-2024, USAID will provide over $500 million in programming to support the Palestinian people . . .
News reports say 5000 rockets were fired into Israel . . . $500,000,000 divided by 5000 means $100,000 per rocket. (That's probably more than these unguided rockets actually cost.) Given how we DON'T watch where our foreign aid is going, it's ENTIRELY POSSIBLE that the Biden administration financed - at least in part - this attack on Israel.
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https://www.usaid.gov/west-bank-and-gaza/our-work#:~:text=The%20United%20States%20Agency%20for,to%20support%20the%20Palestinian%20people.
USAID, cough, cough.
Ding Ding Ding
I'm not letting Biden and gang off the hook, far far from it, just saying the released 6b probably hasn't really had a chance to have an effect yet. But I can pretty much guarantee it will..soon.
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Holy hell. Qatar is in charge of the money. Qatar. We have gotten WAY too chummy with them over the last 20 years.
The Iran-backed Hamas invasion of Israel follows President Biden’s decision just last month to release $6 billion dollars to Iran as part of a prisoner swap.
While the Biden administration said the funds will be supervised by Qatar and not used for terrorism, Iran’s U.S.-sanctioned President Ebrahim Raisi boasted that the money will be used "wherever we need it."
https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-funded-terror-proxies-launch-war-israel-surprise-invasion-against-jewish-state
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Was attending a "peace festival" when Hamas showed up.
Both her and her BF haven't been seen since.
Shocking moment Israeli student, 25, is kidnapped from desert rave by Hamas militants and separated from her still-missing boyfriend - as her family share footage of her being held in Gaza amid invasion that left the Middle East on the brink of all-out war
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12606047/israeli-student-kidnapped-desert-rave-hamas-family-footage-gaza-missing-boyfriend-invasion-war.html
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Was attending a "peace festival" when Hamas showed up.
Both her and her BF haven't been seen since.
It looked like the vast majority of terrorists were unarmed. I hope the victims are all right, or at least that their death was quick, but Israel needs to step up their armed citizen game. I can't imagine living on that border and not at least always having a pistol and two mags minimum on me, or better yet, a TAR-21.
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If you have the stomach for them, a few images of the brave and honorable freedom fighters at work.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1710549187463696823
https://twitter.com/Natan_Levy/status/1710534249726575012
https://twitter.com/i/status/1710535742739603661
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It looked like the vast majority of terrorists were unarmed. I hope the victims are all right, or at least that their death was quick, but Israel needs to step up their armed citizen game. I can't imagine living on that border and not at least always having a pistol and two mags minimum on me, or better yet, a TAR-21.
Israeli gun laws are kind of strict, especially for a country that is essentially surrounded by countries where the people don't believe in their right to exist. I would expect private firearms ownership and the carrying of them to be much more permissive than it is.
https://honestreporting.com/firearm-licensing-in-israel-gun-laws/#:~:text=Israel's%20Gun%20Laws%3A%20No%20Constitutional%20'Right%20To%20Bear%20Arms'&text=Israel's%20Firearm%20Law%20of%201949,rifles%20are%20wholly%20off%2Dlimits.
bob
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I don't think Iran has had enough time to put that recently "unfrozen" 6 billion to work, assuming it's even reached their coffers. But didn't Biden resume some level of foreign aid to the "Palestinians" which had been halted by the previous administration?
Uhm... they don't need that money in hand to put it to work. They know it's coming (it's apparently still in Doha), so that gives them leeway to reallocate and spend $6 billion they DO have in hand.
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Found the lack of Iron Dome news interesting. Obviously overwhelmed but all the previous flare ups there were all kinds of intercept pics. Israel obviously controlling the info. Iranians get the least bit frisky I hope they get a candygram from the instant sunshine company. We already got aliens, Trump v. Biden and lord knows what else this year, how much worse could it be.
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Commentary from an IDF veteran:
https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1710618308699922762
ETA: a worthwhile read (aren't they all?) from VDH:
https://twitter.com/VDHanson/status/1710741034320417027
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I have to wonder how many of the weapons (and even some funding?) that NATO has sent to Ukraine ended up in Palestinian hands.
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I have to wonder how many of the weapons (and even some funding?) that NATO has sent to Ukraine ended up in Palestinian hands.
I'm wondering how much of the $90,000,000,000 dollars' worth of weapons Brandon left to the Taliban ended up in Palestinian hands.
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I'm wondering how much of the $90,000,000,000 dollars' worth of weapons Brandon left to the Taliban ended up in Palestinian hands.
I could be wrong but I think the Taliban really don't give a darn what happens outside of Afghanistan so I would think very little if any unless they sold some to someone else for hard cash but doubtful it would have been to the Iranians. The Taliban and the Iranians absolutely hate each other.
Edit: See my next post before you comment to this
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I'm only seeing it on the Fox right now, so no confirmation, but their on-scene reporter is saying that hamas was able to capture Israeli tanks and other mil vehicles and drive them back across the border.
Though I'm not sure just a few tanks would better serve them than the asymmetrical warfare they're engaging in now.
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I could be wrong but I think the Taliban really don't give a darn what happens outside of Afghanistan so I would think very little if any unless they sold some to someone else for hard cash but doubtful it would have been to the Iranians. The Taliban and the Iranians absolutely hate each other.
Of course I could be completely off track. Now considering the source this could be an attempt to embarrass the Biden admin. (which isn't hard)
The Taliban has reportedly asked Iran for passage to Israel to help Hamas continue it’s terror against the Jewish state. https://t.co/i0vWGEk8fP
— The Jerusalem Post (@Jerusalem_Post) October 7, 2023
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/10/07/report-taliban-asked-iran-for-passage-to-israel-to-help-hamas-terrorists-n2388249
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Reported Israeli death toll now over 500
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67037895?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=65229ad4f34eee40bb92afb2%26More%20than%20500%20Israelis%20killed%20-%20reports%262023-10-08T12%3A04%3A36.639Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:7563f9dc-1c4f-4cac-a62d-e23cc8683468&pinned_post_asset_id=65229ad4f34eee40bb92afb2&pinned_post_type=share
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And
JUST IN - Israel's cabinet invokes Article 40 Aleph, officially declaring war for the first time since the Yom Kippur War in 1973.
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) October 8, 2023
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/10/08/and-here-we-go-israel-n2388270
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In the video you can see Hamas paragliders coming in
Israeli woman describes terrifying ordeal as she played dead for three hours while Hamas terrorists massacred fleeing revellers who ran straight from festival attack.. towards waiting gunmen
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12607219/They-going-tree-tree-shooting-Israeli-festivalgoer-describes-horrifying-moment-Hamas-gunmen-opened-fire-people-fleeing-lives-storming-dance-festival.html
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In the video you can see Hamas paragliders coming in
I don't want to sound sterile and analytical while the killing is still going on, but there certainly is an interesting dichotomy going on with this attack.
From what I've seen on the news, this attack was strategically well-planned in the long term, with insertions via land, sea, and air. Yet when they hit the ground, they didn't act like trained military (or paramilitary) units, moving in a coordinated effort. Instead, it's bands of roving terrorists haphazardly roaming the streets and shooting targets of opportunity like it's a big post-apocalyptical party (or "peaceful protest" in Portland).
From the armchair, it seems like there was military expertise (Iran?) available to plan the insertion, but then they threw in the undisciplined crazies that they rounded up off the street and handed AKs to (or no guns at all). Which I suppose is a strategy in itself as far as terrorizing the enemy.
I'm wondering if some of that was also distraction to possibly allow some trained paramilitary units to come in and do the kidnapping while the fanatics did the killing. From what I saw on the news this morning, hamas is talking about "prisoner exchange", which certainly seems like a planned event.
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Again, just from the TV, but reporting is that "dozens" of US citizens are among the hostages.
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I'm only seeing it on the Fox right now, so no confirmation, but their on-scene reporter is saying that hamas was able to capture Israeli tanks and other mil vehicles and drive them back across the border.
Though I'm not sure just a few tanks would better serve them than the asymmetrical warfare they're engaging in now.
Propaganda value >> military value
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Now reported over 600 dead and 100 kidnapped
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67037895?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=6522a7033fc96e28602bfe36%26More%20than%20600%20Israelis%20killed%20and%20100%20kidnapped%20-%20government%262023-10-08T13%3A29%3A46.452Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:5c98a9ef-6562-4096-bc37-36100c6ca549&pinned_post_asset_id=6522a7033fc96e28602bfe36&pinned_post_type=share
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Perhaps propaganda, but a hamas spokesman is confirming that Iran assisted with planning.
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/10/08/hamas-spokesperson-iran-n2388269
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I have a funny feeling that Israel is going to wipe Gaza off the map.
All of the terrorism apologists are going to go out of their minds over how cruel and ruthless Israel is.
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All of the terrorism apologists are going to go out of their minds over how cruel and ruthless Israel is.
Corrie Bush is first up:
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/10/08/cori-bush-n2388267
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You can't live in peace with someone who in their heart and soul wants you wiped from existence, either you die or they die.
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Corrie Bush is first up:
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/10/08/cori-bush-n2388267
Yeah, the squad is a given.
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Now here's a thought
Considering the "closed" border situation does Hamas and/or Iran have cells in place here waiting for the signal?
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Now here's a thought
Considering the "closed" border situation does Hamas and/or Iran have cells in place here waiting for the signal?
To paraphrase Mike, that's a given. Add China and North Korea.
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I find myself not really caring about this, at least not to the level it seems a bunch of my fellow Americans are.
Hamas pulled off an attack that was WAY more successful than their usual ones, but it's still Israelis and Palestinians killing each other. So, you know, a day that ends in "Y". Like an earlier poster said, you don't coexist with people that want you dead. One of you dies. There's probably plenty of folks living in Gaza that don't want to wage war on their neighbor, but there are clearly enough that do, that you are going to have a war.
Since they're going to go ahead and have a war, I feel we should point out to the Israelis that the Carthaginians haven't bothered their neighbors for some time now.
And then we should keep our nose, and money, out of it on both sides.
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I have a funny feeling that Israel is going to wipe Gaza off the map.
All of the terrorism apologists are going to go out of their minds over how cruel and ruthless Israel is.
That was my first reaction. But I think Israel may actually be smarter than that. As evidenced by the fact that they specifically declared war on Hamas. Yes, that's like declaring war on Antifa. But I suspect Israel as a people, and therefore her military, will not stop until every known member of Hamas leadership is dead.
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And then we should keep our nose, and money, out of it on both sides.
I partially agree with this, however, one of them is also calling for the death of the great satan, so we can't ignore the situation. Certainly we don't have to get actively involved, but it seems sensible to monitor the people that want you wiped off the face of the map.
Also, only one of them (that I'm aware of) is committing atrocities, so even if I don't want heavy US involvement, I'm certainly rooting for one side over the other.
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🗣️🗣️🗣️ Tomorrow, October 8, at 1PM. Times Square.
In solidarity with the Palestinian people and their right to resist 75 years of occupation and apartheid.
🇵🇸FREE PALESTINE! https://t.co/1N67nS56GZ
— NYC-DSA 🌹 (@nycDSA) October 7, 2023
DSA = Democratic Socialists of America
And in case you didn't know
Reminder: AOC, Rashida Tlaib, Cori Bush, and Jamaal Bowman are all affiliated with the DSA https://t.co/XFb6wsHfG3
— Ryan James Girdusky (@RyanGirdusky) October 7, 2023
https://twitchy.com/coucy/2023/10/08/new-york-chapter-of-democratic-socialists-of-america-to-rally-for-palestine-n2388266
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I find myself not really caring about this, at least not to the level it seems a bunch of my fellow Americans are.
Hamas pulled off an attack that was WAY more successful than their usual ones, but it's still Israelis and Palestinians killing each other. So, you know, a day that ends in "Y". Like an earlier poster said, you don't coexist with people that want you dead. One of you dies. There's probably plenty of folks living in Gaza that don't want to wage war on their neighbor, but there are clearly enough that do, that you are going to have a war.
Since they're going to go ahead and have a war, I feel we should point out to the Israelis that the Carthaginians haven't bothered their neighbors for some time now.
And then we should keep our nose, and money, out of it on both sides.
All of this ^
8 Billion for the protection of their border while ours is wide open ...
It appears "our" government has misplaced priorities.
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it's like this ...
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I'd like to see Israel wipe the Gaza Strip FLAT and reclaim it.
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Familiar language
After a similar appearance by his Israeli counterpart, the Palestinian ambassador to the United Nations has spoken to reporters at the UN.
Riyad Mansour expressed his concern that messages about “Israel’s right to defend itself” could be interpreted by the Israeli government as “a licence to kill.” He has requested an emergency meeting of the League of Arab States (LAS) in Cairo in the next few days.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67037895?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=65230344f34eee40bb92b202%26Palestinian%20ambassador%20speaks%20at%20UN%262023-10-08T19%3A35%3A38.795Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:38dfb253-db16-4c56-8504-315bcfabd938&pinned_post_asset_id=65230344f34eee40bb92b202&pinned_post_type=share
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More than 250 killed at music festival - rescue organisation
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67037895?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=6523075cf34eee40bb92b210%26More%20than%20250%20killed%20at%20music%20festival%20-%20rescue%20organisation%262023-10-08T20%3A05%3A30.538Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:ff1966b6-5a9c-4b5d-ab56-4ad1e81c59e4&pinned_post_asset_id=6523075cf34eee40bb92b210&pinned_post_type=share
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Related: We went to grocery shopping today down near Temple Terrace, FL and there were protests going on. (Temple Terrace is the HQ of CAIR in the states. Large Muslim population.)
The pro Israelis were standing on one side of the street with signs and yelling, while the Palestinians were driving up and down the street with Palestinian, Hamas, and Jihad flags on their trucks and shmaughs over their faces. Everyone on both sides was male and 20-35 or so.
About 30 TPD officers stood nervously between the groups.
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And Rep. Rashida Tlaib, a squad member, has finally weighed in.... with one of the most disgusting, pro-Islamic terrorism statements that has ever been made.
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And Rep. Rashida Tlaib, a squad member, has finally weighed in.... with one of the most disgusting, pro-Islamic terrorism statements that has ever been made.
Link?
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There will be blood in the streets! Oh wait....
Horse, Barn Door – Israel’s Minister of National Security Announces Relaxed Rules for Civilian Gun Ownership
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/horse-barn-door-israels-minister-of-national-security-announces-relaxed-rules-for-civilian-gun-ownership/
Not as relaxed as we would like but better than nothing
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Link?
Democratic Rep. Rashida Tlaib, an outspoken critic of Israel, has finally broken her silence on the unprecedented Hamas terrorist attack on Israel that has killed at least 600 Israelis and prompted Israel to officially declare war for the first time since 1973.
Tlaib's office released a statement to the Detroit News on Sunday, more than 24 hours after Hamas launched thousands of rockets at southern Israel.
"I grieve the Palestinian and Israeli lives lost yesterday, today, and every day," the statement reads. "As long as our country provides billions in unconditional funding to support the apartheid government, this heartbreaking cycle of violence will continue."
This is a second-hand quote; I assume it's accurate since they used quotation marks, but I haven't looked up the original source yet.
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And Rep. Rashida Tlaib, a squad member, has finally weighed in.... with one of the most disgusting, pro-Islamic terrorism statements that has ever been made.
This?
"I grieve the Palestinian and Israeli lives lost yesterday, today, and every day," the statement reads. "As long as our country provides billions in unconditional funding to support the apartheid government, this heartbreaking cycle of violence will continue."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-rashida-tlaib-critic-israel-silent-hamas-terror-attacks-israeli-death-toll-climbs-600
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And then we should keep our nose, and money, out of it on both sides.
Of course, we are way, way past that. On both sides.
This is a conflict that Israel fully has the capacity to wage and win on its own. Hard to say on the potential follow on conflicts.
I agree it is nothing new, but I do tend to view the Israelis as the relatively “good guys” and the Hamas attacks as more wrong than whatever Hamas is claiming justifies their attacks today. I’m not calling my representatives to send money or boots to help them out, but I do wish them well and good hunting.
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The Israeli Defense Minister has ordered a complete blockade of the Gaza Strip.
"I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip," Gallant said at the IDF Southern Command in Beersheba. "There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed."
I can just imagine the cries of the squad now... "OH MY ALLAH! SUCH CRUELTY! FORCING PEOPLE TO GO WITHOUT THEIR TVS AND VIDEO GAMES! IT'S A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!"
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Inshallah food and water will find their way in.
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And the cycle continues
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There will be blood in the streets! Oh wait....
Horse, Barn Door – Israel’s Minister of National Security Announces Relaxed Rules for Civilian Gun Ownership
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/horse-barn-door-israels-minister-of-national-security-announces-relaxed-rules-for-civilian-gun-ownership/
Not as relaxed as we would like but better than nothing
Kind of a tangent, but I wonder how this would have played out if even 25% of the Israelis in the area were armed, whether concealed carrying, or having defensive firearms in their homes?
I still cannot fathom how strict Israelis gun laws have been, especially for residents of that particular area. Not having a 2nd Amendment, they could have still made an exception, or even made it a requirement, for citizens in key border areas to be armed, even as militias.
Certainly just handing out guns doesn't make effective defenders. I don't know for sure, but have just run across on the internet, that with the IDFs mandatory service requirements, a lot of draftees end up with less than optimal firearms training, so "military experience" doesn't mean someone will be an effective defender.
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Certainly just handing out guns doesn't make effective defenders.
Seems like all the people taking the videos of roving gangs of terrorists could do quite a bit better shooting with a rifle rather than a phone camera.
Ideal training or not, I have to imagine that the terrorists would have to switch up tactics a bit if every time they started to wander down the street on foot or in soft-skinned vehicles to pick off pedestrians they came under fire from elevated positions.
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I had no idea that Israel had cracked down that hard on private firearms ownership and carrying.
Wow. They were turning into a major American city... WE NEED GUN CONTROL! Well, not for criminals, but for citizens! It's logical, don't you know!
*expletive deleted*ing insane.
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Seems like all the people taking the videos of roving gangs of terrorists could do quite a bit better shooting with a rifle rather than a phone camera.
Ideal training or not, I have to imagine that the terrorists would have to switch up tactics a bit if every time they started to wander down the street on foot or in soft-skinned vehicles to pick off pedestrians they came under fire from elevated positions.
No disagreement. Even "uncoordinated suppressive fire" would have negatively affected the gangs. I was just getting at, living in a place like that, some gov supported defensive firearms training could have made a world of difference.
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I can just imagine the cries of the squad now... "OH MY ALLAH! SUCH CRUELTY! FORCING PEOPLE TO GO WITHOUT THEIR TVS AND VIDEO GAMES! IT'S A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!"
Did you miss the part where they said no food?
I'm not saying this isn't justified though. If I were running Israel, I would probably drive the entire population of the Gaza strip into the neighboring Arab nations, and turn the area into a nature reserve / free fire zone. I guess that would be a war crime? Oh well. The population of the area has no desire to live in peace with Israel though, and I don't think Israel should be required to tolerate it.
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Speaking to BBC Radio 4's The World at One earlier, Hamas' head of international relations Basem Naim said the group is "committed and we are obliged to treat our hostages in a very human, dignified way".
Naim also claimed Hamas' leader Mohammad Deif instructed militants to "respect elderly, respect civilians, respect children" and "don't kill anyone who is not involved directly in the battle".
But we know that the militants in fact killed large numbers of civilians in cold blood in Israeli communities, including the massacre of nearly 300 people at the music festival near the Gaza border, many of them young people.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67050350?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=6523fe1dfd63b979e1accd3e%26Hostages%20will%20be%20looked%20after%2C%20Hamas%20official%20claims%262023-10-09T13%3A26%3A33.633Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:1c290d04-28aa-4a5a-b20c-b67942ce663e&pinned_post_asset_id=6523fe1dfd63b979e1accd3e&pinned_post_type=share
Safe to say your men aren't exactly following your instructions
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The Israeli Defense Minister has ordered a complete blockade of the Gaza Strip.
"I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip," Gallant said at the IDF Southern Command in Beersheba. "There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed."
I can just imagine the cries of the squad now... "OH MY ALLAH! SUCH CRUELTY! FORCING PEOPLE TO GO WITHOUT THEIR TVS AND VIDEO GAMES! IT'S A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!"
Fuel and electricity are required in order to run municipal utilities. Water, sewage, refuse transfer and disposal.
Not that I give a *expletive deleted*it at this point about the Palestinians. Dance in the streets after heinous *expletive deleted*it, reap the whirlwind. But it's more than TV and video games.
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Harvard student organizations issue statement laying complete blame for Israel attacks on... Israel.
https://www.newsweek.com/harvard-students-blaming-israel-hamas-attacks-fury-1832997
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Nice people
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12604497/Israel-says-striking-Gaza-targets-Hamas-announces-new-operation.html?ito=link_share_article-image-share#i-f88fe9dfe68cd1ab
They IDed who that was by her tattoos
The tattoo artist whose naked body was paraded by Hamas terrorists after they slaughtered 260 Israelis at a festival was a peace campaigner and conscientious objector to military service, it has been revealed.
Shani Louk, 30, was at a music festival for peace when she was captured by Hamas terrorists who had stormed the event and massacred 260 Israeli revellers during their assault on Israel.
Her naked body was seen splayed in the back of a truck, with one leg at an unnatural angle, while being surrounded by four Hamas terrorists who were shouting 'Allahu akbar' in a sickening video. Jeering supporters of the gunmen, including children, were filmed running alongside the truck and spitting on her motionless body.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12610107/Tattoo-artist-Shani-Louk-naked-body-Hamas-Israel.html
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I wonder how all of those peace festival participants feel about peace now?
Well, I guess they'd have an opinion if any of them were still alive.
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I wonder how all of those peace festival participants feel about peace now?
Well, I guess they'd have an opinion if any of them were still alive.
Peace through superior firepower is the only peace that has ever worked.
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They should have run towards the gunmen and hugged them, I'm sure they would then have joined in on the peace festival
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I think in general the west has gotten way to used to the US Military's precision and restraint, and so the West has forgotten that civilians die in war, often in higher numbers than the soldiers. Starvation, disease, and collateral damage are all a thing, as well as deaths from infrastructure destruction.
That's why we talk about war being waged as "a country" not just it's military (except the US, but don't get me started on that). The country as a whole will often pay the price for that war.
Germany found out (twice), Japan found out, most of SE Asia found out, more recently Ukraine and Syria have found out.
Palestine is about to find out. You don't get to just divorce the "civilian" population from the actions of the government and large militant factions. There are consequences. That goes both ways. Israel has failed to either defeat or find peace with it's neighbors, and the consequence of that is currently being felt by Israeli citizens.
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It is said war is hell. War is worse because only the guilty suffer in hell while in war the innocent suffer.
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It is said war is hell. War is worse because only the guilty suffer in hell while in war the innocent suffer.
We used to know that.
Like I said, the West has gotten a little too comfortable with sending troops far away and not feeling any consequences of war, and so the Twitter sphere and ideologues have convinced themselves that's how the world works.
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Hezbollah is now threatening to join in the war.
They're based in Lebanon.
Earlier today IDF forces killed a group of gunmen attempting to infiltrate into Israel from Lebanon.
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/hamas-attack-israel-war
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And, Israel has gone through with its intent to fully embargo Gaza.
"Israeli Energy and Infrastructure Minister Israel Katz ordered that water supply be cut off from the Gaza strip Monday. two days after Israel halted the flow of electricity and fuel to the area."
Drink sand.
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Gaza live feeds
Looks like they still have power, for the moment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6xBrZFEeiQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptGbSDn_MnQ
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We used to know that.
Like I said, the West has gotten a little too comfortable with sending troops far away and not feeling any consequences of war,
This is very true. I grew up hearing the stories of civilians (and military) on the other side of WW2. Death became so commonplace that people ignored dead bodies in the streets, fields, or wherever, because there just wasn't enough manpower to get them all. People were more worried about eating that day, or having clothes and fuel to make it through Winter. And not having bombs drop on their town.
I don't believe US citizens have experienced that since the civil war.
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Rockets flying and big booms on the first live feed. Most of the lights went out at the same time.
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Circling back to an earlier part of the conversation:
Sky News video of Palestinians celebrating in the West Bank: https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1710604214555259209?s=20
Seems to be mostly M4's. At least one has an ACOG and current US issue FDE Enhanced Performance Magazine. Things that make you go hmmmmm.
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Seems to be mostly M4's. At least one has an ACOG and current US issue FDE Enhanced Performance Magazine. Things that make you go hmmmmm.
Lets go Brandon!
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Could be captured Isreali kit they're showing off
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I had no idea that Israel had cracked down that hard on private firearms ownership and carrying.
Wow. They were turning into a major American city... WE NEED GUN CONTROL! Well, not for criminals, but for citizens! It's logical, don't you know!
*expletive deleted*ing insane.
I'm with you. I thought Israel basically wanted all citizens to be armed and carrying all the time.
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Harvard student organizations issue statement laying complete blame for Israel attacks on... Israel.
https://www.newsweek.com/harvard-students-blaming-israel-hamas-attacks-fury-1832997
Was the message approved by David Hogg?
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Safe to say your men aren't exactly following your instructions
If anyone believes this, they are a fool. These scum have always targeted civilians. There were doing exactly what they were ordered to do.
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If anyone believes this, they are a fool. These scum have always targeted civilians. There were doing exactly what they were ordered to do.
I was being sarcastic
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*expletive deleted*ck it!
Light the fuse and let it burn.
One way is as good as another.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51949329859_29b5b2cc6f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n9zTT2)
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While I hope that Israel clears the Gaza Strip of all 2 legged vermin & expands their borders by that amount, I do hope they can do so without starting WWIII.
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While I hope that Israel clears the Gaza Strip of all 2 legged vermin & expands their borders by that amount, I do hope they can do so without starting WWIII.
Does anyone actually care enough about these "Palestinians" to go to war over them? I mean a shooting war, not just strongly worded diplomatic statements?
Seeing as other nations in the ME won't take them in . . . I don't think so.
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Israel has been pounding the absolute *expletive deleted*it out of Gaza the last 24 hours.
Unlike Hamas, Israel is issuing warnings ahead of their air strikes.
Wasted effort, if you ask me.
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Israel has been pounding the absolute *expletive deleted*it out of Gaza the last 24 hours.
Unlike Hamas, Israel is issuing warnings ahead of their air strikes.
Wasted effort, if you ask me.
I hadn't heard the term "roof knocking" before, but apparently Israel has always done that in past conflicts there to give civilians, and in the case of the military targets hiding behind civilians, the terrorists as well, a chance to flee. It seems to be rarely talked about in our MSM, and I agree - wasted effort. In part, the amount of "collateral damage" falls on Hamas for hiding behind women and children.
This is one of the reasons that I've picked a side here. The Israelis create collateral damage because they have to. Hamas creates it because they want to.
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I have heard of "roof knocking" in the past, I am kind of surprised they are doing it in this particular inning of the ongoing hostilities they have had with Hamas. Usually it was when they did one or two retaliatory air strikes or artillery rounds but this is a little more wholesale in the way of air strikes. Doing 'roof knocks" before each one seems counter-productive.
bob
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Eventually, Israel is going to have to put boots on the ground and sweep the Gaza Strip from one end to the other, wiping out every Hamas militant -- which in effect should mean every male on the age of about 12. The more they allow to escape rocket attacks thanks to roof knocking, the more will be in the streets to resist the Israeli sweep and clear mission.
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Eventually, Israel is going to have to put boots on the ground and sweep the Gaza Strip from one end to the other, wiping out every Hamas militant -- which in effect should mean every male on the age of about 12. The more they allow to escape rocket attacks thanks to roof knocking, the more will be in the streets to resist the Israeli sweep and clear mission.
[blink]
That comment shows a remarkable lack of understanding of urban warfare and "clearing" an area.
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I was being sarcastic
Oh, yeah, I know. I was just being bitter. =(
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Unlike Hamas, Israel is issuing warnings ahead of their air strikes.
;/
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Nice people Part II
Reporters with i24 News toured the "scene of devastation" in the community of about 700, where soldiers worked to remove bodies of victims who were brutally murdered in their homes. Some soldiers said they found babies with their heads cut off, according to i24 News.
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/hamas-attack-israel-war
Yes you have to consider the source but still
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Slight tangent, but read the room Sulu. Takei is telling the Jews about how tough his people had it in WW2. Coming from a member of the race whose officers dined on American POWs (among a host of other atrocities) during WW2.
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/10/10/spock-takei-n2388358
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BLM showing who they support
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/10/10/blm-shows-support-for-hamas-n2388369
Black Paragliders Matter
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Looks like Hezbollah is getting involved:
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4246437-hezbollah-fires-israel-fears-second-front/
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Slight tangent, but read the room Sulu. Takei is telling the Jews about how tough his people had it in WW2. Coming from a member of the race whose officers dined on American POWs (among a host of other atrocities) during WW2.
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/10/10/spock-takei-n2388358
It is called "WAR". Crap happens when you start one.
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So I'm learning quite a bit about Israel's ethnic groups from this whole thing.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-hamas-war-rages-personal-firearm-activists-see-surge-in-interest/
Never heard of Druze before. Kind of like Abrahamic Buddhists. Neat.
Seems the Druze serve in the IDF, but don't have full citizenship rights. One of those rights being the ability to "apply" to own and carry a firearm.
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Rob Ski over at AK Operators Union, Local 47-74 says
No matter what you feel about Israel attacks, there are some important lessons to be learned from those attacks...
YOU NEED AK NOW! Live or Die!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laryyzZjNvU&t=1s
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And, as anticipated, the Squad's resident Jihadi is condemning Israel's military response to Hamas' wanton slaughter, essentially categorizing it as evil and uncalled for.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ilhan-omar-condemns-israels-military-response-hamas-solution-negotiated-peace
Bitch, go pick up a bomb vest and go to Gaza if you're that invested in it.
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101st heading to Jordon
https://bnn.network/world/us/us-armys-screaming-eagles-set-to-bolster-forces-in-jordan-amid-regional-tensions/
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The apologists were all saying "beheaded babies" was Israeli propaganda. It's now being confirmed by multiple international journalists.
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/10/10/journalists-on-the-ground-in-israel-are-confirming-accounts-of-beheaded-infants-n2388380
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101st heading to Jordon
https://bnn.network/world/us/us-armys-screaming-eagles-set-to-bolster-forces-in-jordan-amid-regional-tensions/
Planned long before Hamas got frisky.
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And, as anticipated, the Squad's resident Jihadi is condemning Israel's military response to Hamas' wanton slaughter, essentially categorizing it as evil and uncalled for.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ilhan-omar-condemns-israels-military-response-hamas-solution-negotiated-peace
Bitch, go pick up a bomb vest and go to Gaza if you're that invested in it.
Maybe her and de Selby can share a ride.
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My county just dropped the $100 CCW fee citing Israel and our open border. We have been constitutional carry for years but still waiting for the lefties to scream blood in the streets.
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Maybe her and de Selby can share a ride.
Between the two of us, you’re the only one calling for strikes that kill children. Me, I don’t think killing children - Israeli or Palestinian - is okay. I hold that killing children is wrong no matter what their race.
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Between the two of us, you’re the only one calling for strikes that kill children. Me, I don’t think killing children - Israeli or Palestinian - is okay. I hold that killing children is wrong no matter what their race.
For RKLs edification I've compiled a list of times I could find you criticizing Palestinian terror:
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What's the age cutoff where children can be militarized enough to be combatants?
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The apologists were all saying "beheaded babies" was Israeli propaganda. It's now being confirmed by multiple international journalists.
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/10/10/journalists-on-the-ground-in-israel-are-confirming-accounts-of-beheaded-infants-n2388380
All of those journalists are Jew loving, Arab hating infidels!
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What's the age cutoff where children can be militarized enough to be combatants?
Well, if you're Hamas...
(https://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/1/photos/973000/620x/Baby-grenade-bomber-430654.jpg)
or...
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.b1af647f2c5d98d58fcdf6a793e8d64f?rik=YJekPXKg9R29Mg&riu=http%3a%2f%2f4.bp.blogspot.com%2f_gGaop-NUOOA%2fRhOyUah1snI%2fAAAAAAAAAcA%2fe_CzTzCFXjs%2fs640%2fPOSTERS%2bBaby%2bjihad.jpg&ehk=LDT8tMsYgGBpYYEIUo7mX4SRcYzVIDGTTGRytJjIqdI%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0)
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So we were kinda talking about, "What if the Israeli citizens were armed?". Looks like a data point for, "They would still be alive" has been found:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12616229/Israeli-woman-Inbar-Lieberman-kibbutz-Nir-Hamas.html
It appears to be the only Kibbutz in the area that escaped a massacre. The terrorists faced return fire with some of them being killed, and they ran away. I'm unclear on how the Kibbutz got their guns, given the posts here outlining Israeli gun laws. The woman being lauded as a hero was their head of security. I'm guessing maybe they had an armory and she issued weapons early enough to do some good? Do all Kibbutzs have armories and security forces? If so, you'd think we would have heard of others who fought off the terrorists.
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AOC actually breaking ranks or just playing visible politics?
AOC added in her statement that the rally 'did not speak for thousands of New Yorkers who are capable of rejecting both Hamas' horrifying attacks against innocent civilians as well as the grave injustices and violence Palestinians face under the occupation.'
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has broken with members of her far-left 'squad' of Democrat lawmakers to condemn the 'unacceptable' Pro-Palestine rallies in NYC.
'It should not be hard to shut down hatred and antisemitism where we see it,' AOC said in a statement Monday. 'That is a core tenet of solidarity. The bigotry and callousness expressed in Times Square on Sunday were unacceptable and harmful in this devastating moment.'
AOC added in her statement that the rally 'did not speak for thousands of New Yorkers who are capable of rejecting both Hamas' horrifying attacks against innocent civilians as well as the grave injustices and violence Palestinians face under the occupation.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12617209/AOC-FINALLY-breaks-ranks-woke-Squad-members-condemns-appalling-anti-Semitic-rallies-NYC.html
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Well, if you're Hamas...
(https://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/1/photos/973000/620x/Baby-grenade-bomber-430654.jpg)
or...
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.b1af647f2c5d98d58fcdf6a793e8d64f?rik=YJekPXKg9R29Mg&riu=http%3a%2f%2f4.bp.blogspot.com%2f_gGaop-NUOOA%2fRhOyUah1snI%2fAAAAAAAAAcA%2fe_CzTzCFXjs%2fs640%2fPOSTERS%2bBaby%2bjihad.jpg&ehk=LDT8tMsYgGBpYYEIUo7mX4SRcYzVIDGTTGRytJjIqdI%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0)
It's a valid question. Folks are over here talking about "Killing Children" like child soldiers aren't a thing. Or like Muslim extremists don't have a solid history of using kids to carry out attacks, or, in the case of talking about removing Hamas' ability to wage attacks from Gaza, like Muslim extremists in general, and Hamas and Hazbollah in particular don't start indoctronating and training boys before puberty.
I was responding to DeSelby specifically who had said "Between the two of us, you’re the only one calling for strikes that kill children.". Since Hamas recruits, trains, and uses children I think that it's a valid question. At what point are they valid military targets? Is there an age cut off? A point in the training? Is it OK when they are fighting, but not when they are intel gathering and reporting troop movements?
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I recognize it's a valid question. And I posted those pictures to show to what level Islamic Jihad will stoop.
Apparently Rashida Tlaib also believes that infants are legitimate targets, as well...
"Rep. Rashida Tlaib, D-Mich., ignored questions Tuesday when a Fox News reporter repeatedly asked for comment on a horrific report that Hamas beheaded Israeli babies.
Fox News reporter Hillary Vaughn confronted the far-left "Squad" member, who has criticized Israel for the attack, as she walked through a hallway on Tuesday.
"Congresswoman, Hamas terrorists have cut off babies' heads and burned children alive. Do you support Israel's rights to defend themselves against this brutality?" Vaughn asked. However, Tlaib did not acknowledge the questions.
"You can’t comment about Hamas terrorists chopping off babies’ heads? Congresswoman, do you have a comment on Hamas terrorists chopping off babies’ heads?" Vaugh persisted. "You have nothing to say about Hamas terrorists chopping off babies’ heads? Do you condone what Hamas has done chopping off babies’ heads, burning children alive, raping women in the streets? You have no comment about children’s heads being chopped off?"
Tlaib and her staff entered an elevator without responding."
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It's a valid question. Folks are over here talking about "Killing Children" like child soldiers aren't a thing.
I'm not sure if I'm talking about the same thing you guys are, but to me, there is "killing children" and "murdering children". If Israel is hitting Hamas strongholds and killing innocent women and children because Hamas was using them as shields, or even if Hamas rockets kill children in buildings they target, as tragic as it is, it happens in war, and I think most people recognize that it's a terrible by-product of war.
However, killing children by cutting their heads off, or pouring gasoline on them and lighting them on fire, or any of the disgusting things Hamas (and others throughout history) have done is not war. It is a war crime and a crime against everything civilization holds as decent.
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Related to the above
According to this some in Hamas are having thoughts about kidnapping women and children.
May be more of a conceal about the Iareali response than of any moral issues though
While the prevailing view among Hamas leaders that taking the 150 hostages would create support among the Palestinians and also be a useful bargaining chip for prisoner exchanges, several believe it was a mistake to abduct women and children, the intelligence agencies told The Times.
Some in the leadership are concerned that because this decision has been met with global revulsion along with comparisons between Hamas and the Islamic State, it could provide legitimacy for a harder Israeli strike on Gaza.
However, given that members of Hamas warned yesterday they will not hand over hostages until the fighting ends - a day after they would execute Israeli captives if the airstrikes continued - it's unlikely this faction could convince the others to give up the women and children.
Hamas leaders are split over decision to kidnap Israeli women and children with one faction calling for captives to be released, according to Middle Eastern intelligence agencies
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12618045/Hamas-leaders-split-decision-kidnap-Israeli-women-children-one-faction-calling-captives-released-according-Middle-Eastern-intelligence-agencies.html
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I'm not sure if I'm talking about the same thing you guys are, but to me, there is "killing children" and "murdering children". If Israel is hitting Hamas strongholds and killing innocent women and children because Hamas was using them as shields, or even if Hamas rockets kill children in buildings they target, as tragic as it is, it happens in war, and I think most people recognize that it's a terrible by-product of war.
Specifically, in this case, folks are criticizing Israel for actions that are "killing Palestinian women and children" as if that is automatically bad. Again see DeSelby's quote. I was pointing out that in addition to the collateral damage you mentioned, some of those women and children are legitimate targets. Additionally, in a place like the Gaza Strip, where Hamas is actively recruiting and grooming parts of the population, the line between "Hamas" and "Palestinian Children" is fuzzy.
Switching gears a little, I am entertained by the *very* persistent framing of the burgeoning ground offensive as "Israel has a right to defend itself from these attacks". If you got robbed by someone, went home and got your guns, then went to the guy's house, killed him, burned down the house, kicked his family out into the street, and did it all while explicitly stating that you were being violent enough his decendents will remember and be scared, a claim of defense might be hard to argue. At some point Israel has transitioned to the offense, and is no longer "defending itself from terrorists" and is killing it's enemy. I won't say Israel doesn't have the right to wage war as they see fit, but the defensive framing in pro-Israeli western media makes me chuckle.
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Gaza's power plant has run out of fuel or is about to run out. Conflicting reports.
Israeli death toll now at 1,200
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Specifically, in this case, folks are criticizing Israel for actions that are "killing Palestinian women and children" as if that is automatically bad. Again see DeSelby's quote. I was pointing out that in addition to the collateral damage you mentioned, some of those women and children are legitimate targets. Additionally, in a place like the Gaza Strip, where Hamas is actively recruiting and grooming parts of the population, the line between "Hamas" and "Palestinian Children" is fuzzy.
Switching gears a little, I am entertained by the *very* persistent framing of the burgeoning ground offensive as "Israel has a right to defend itself from these attacks". If you got robbed by someone, went home and got your guns, then went to the guy's house, killed him, burned down the house, kicked his family out into the street, and did it all while explicitly stating that you were being violent enough his decendents will remember and be scared, a claim of defense might be hard to argue. At some point Israel has transitioned to the offense, and is no longer "defending itself from terrorists" and is killing it's enemy. I won't say Israel doesn't have the right to wage war as they see fit, but the defensive framing in pro-Israeli western media makes me chuckle.
The closer analogy would be you came to find the same group had robbed your house for the umpteenth time and this time they also killed your dog, raped your cat, and then were celebrated by your neighbors for doing so. Nobody would do anything to stop this from happening again so your only way to defend your home from additional such attacks was to go out and kill the gang robbing your house and the neighbors that support them.
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Switching gears a little, I am entertained by the *very* persistent framing of the burgeoning ground offensive as "Israel has a right to defend itself from these attacks". If you got robbed by someone, went home and got your guns, then went to the guy's house, killed him, burned down the house, kicked his family out into the street, and did it all while explicitly stating that you were being violent enough his decendents will remember and be scared, a claim of defense might be hard to argue. At some point Israel has transitioned to the offense, and is no longer "defending itself from terrorists" and is killing it's enemy. I won't say Israel doesn't have the right to wage war as they see fit, but the defensive framing in pro-Israeli western media makes me chuckle.
That's a weak analogy. The primary reason why our society discourages independent retribution is because our government attempts to maintain a monopoly on the initiation of force. We don't get to go kill our attacker and burn his house down because we have outsourced that job to the police and courts. While we joke about Team America World Police and UN blue helmets, there isn't really an analogous world police force that would be expected to exact retributive justice in this kind of scenario. Absent such a force, even an obviously offensive attack like an airstrike can be done in a justifiable defensive context. Even considering strictly US defensive law, in some states there can be issues with advancing on an armed attacker rather than retreating which can mark what is in context a purely defensive response as offensive at some arbitrary point that is not consistent between jurisdictions.
Without commenting on the specifics of this particular Palestinian attack or the Israeli response, the idea that the only operation that can be considered "defensive" is one that stops at arbitrary borders or engages a bad guy only while they are in the very middle of doing bad things - as might be expected of a US citizen defending themselves in the context of modern policing - doesn't make sense.
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Was the GWOT a defensive operation?
Edited to add: Also I'm going to disagree that my analogy was bad. Hamas got lucky and had a successful terrorist attack. In the scope of "Threats to the Israeli government" they have zero chance of continuing the offensive, meeting up with troops from the West Bank or Lebanon, or forcing any major policy change by force of arms. This is the nation state equivalent of a break in and vandalism.
Israel could have rebuilt the walls, hardened and upgraded their cameras and monitoring, installed more interceptors and re-armed the Iron Dome and gone about their life. I'm not saying they should mind you, but they could have, and that would have been "defending themselves from terrorist attacks".
They have chosen to go on the offensive.
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Was the GWOT a defensive operation?
Pieces of it, maybe. The Iraq war not so much. Like so many Current Things, the GWOT served as a pretext to do all manner of non-defensive things including some pretty crappy domestic policy.
Edited to add: Also I'm going to disagree that my analogy was bad. Hamas got lucky and had a successful terrorist attack. In the scope of "Threats to the Israeli government" they have zero chance of continuing the offensive, meeting up with troops from the West Bank or Lebanon, or forcing any major policy change by force of arms. This is the nation state equivalent of a break in and vandalism.
That is even weaker, my dude.
Deadly force is not strictly limited to cases of immediate existential threat, but is regularly allowed in cases of other types of serious felony (grievous bodily harm, rape, arson, etc) including where those felonies threaten other people. Saying the wanton and intentional murder of a few thousand innocent noncombatants should be considered the national equivalent of a break in and vandalism is ... weird. But if you're going to be consistent that killing a few thousand innocent people is not a serious issue, then wouldn't you have to analyze Israel's response the same way? So long as Israel doesn't glass the Gaza strip it's just a proportional slap on the wrist, right?
Regardless, as far as I'm concerned the analogy primarily broke down due to the absence of outsourced retributive justice on an international level, not simply a question of whether it warranted lethal defense in the first place.
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We tend to discourage vigilante justice because people often end up taking retribution against people who weren't involved or act on rumors instead of facts. The justice system is supposed to investigate and punish those responsible based on evidence. At least, that is the ideal. However, HAMAS is a terrorist organization that runs the what govt there is in Gaza. This isn't a police issue. This a war. War isn't nice and pretty and civilized. It never has been. The nicest war is still pretty horrible. But if you are not prepared to blast the crap out of anyone who would commit these sorts of acts against your country, then it will keep happening. If you want peace, prepare for war and be willing to follow through.
I would like to think we would not tolerate what Israel has tolerated in the past. If the Canada started radicalizing and gangs started crossing the border and committing murder and torture, if Canadian artillery would randomly fire shells into the US, I would think the US wouldn't put up with it. Of course, journalists in LA and D.C. would probably say the same thing as they don't live close to the border.
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Was the GWOT a defensive operation?
Edited to add: Also I'm going to disagree that my analogy was bad. Hamas got lucky and had a successful terrorist attack. In the scope of "Threats to the Israeli government" they have zero chance of continuing the offensive, meeting up with troops from the West Bank or Lebanon, or forcing any major policy change by force of arms. This is the nation state equivalent of a break in and vandalism.
Israel could have rebuilt the walls, hardened and upgraded their cameras and monitoring, installed more interceptors and re-armed the Iron Dome and gone about their life. I'm not saying they should mind you, but they could have, and that would have been "defending themselves from terrorist attacks".
They have chosen to go on the offensive.
As most any sane govt would. To sit back behind defenses and do nothing only invites the enemy to try again or find some other gap or vulnerability.
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But if you're going to be consistent that killing a few thousand innocent people is not a serious issue, then wouldn't you have to analyze Israel's response the same way? So long as Israel doesn't glass the Gaza strip it's just a proportional slap on the wrist, right?
Sure. One of those defensive slaps I hear about all the time.
We tend to discourage vigilante justice because people often end up taking retribution against people who weren't involved or act on rumors instead of facts. The justice system is supposed to investigate and punish those responsible based on evidence. At least, that is the ideal. However, HAMAS is a terrorist organization that runs the what govt there is in Gaza. This isn't a police issue. This a war. War isn't nice and pretty and civilized. It never has been. The nicest war is still pretty horrible. But if you are not prepared to blast the crap out of anyone who would commit these sorts of acts against your country, then it will keep happening. If you want peace, prepare for war and be willing to follow through.
Agreed, Indeed I have been saying in several place on the internet for days now that this is a war, and to stop projecting Western fantasies of what is "right" onto two different cultures engaging in a war. It's going to be bloody.
The chuckle I was having was ONLY because so many American new sources keep having to hammer home that Israel is "defending" itself by invading Gaza. They have to do that BECAUSE Americans are too retarded to understand that Nations fight wars, and in wars a bunch of folks gonna die, even non combatats. They can't just say the truth: Hamas pushed too far, and Israel is going to invade Palestine and *expletive deleted*ck them up, and a bunch of civilians are going to die in the invasion, and a bunch more are going to die of disease and starvation in the rubble, so that the next time Hamas starts talking about crossing the wall the survivors tell them to sit the *expletive deleted*ck down.
Because if they say that, Israel isn't the underdog, and America roots for the underdog.
But whatever, perhaps I'm the only one that finds that narrative funny,
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Looking to refreeze the money
Democratic senators break with Biden and call to refreeze $6 billion Iranian 'ransom' funds after horrific Hamas terror attack on Israel
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12619057/Democratic-centrists-call-refreeze-6-billion-ransom-Biden-administration-probes-longtime-support-Hamas-horrific-Israel-terror-attack.html
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Sure. One of those defensive slaps I hear about all the time.
I'm not sure what you're trying to get at. Are you trying to say that a swat inherently cannot be defensive?
In your contrived scenario where a coordinated attack targeting civilians is equivalent to breaking an entering and vandalism because it does not offer an existential threat to Israel, wouldn't airstrikes and artillery barrages be likewise merely a defensive push, a punch in the nose, or a swat to the wrist?
Or am I misunderstanding you entirely?
I think what I take your underlying point to be is correct - that wars suck, are messy, and people get killed who shouldn't be killed. Nor do I disagree that people use propaganda and manipulated phrasing to make nasty things more palatable, and phrasing Israel's response as defensive is a means to that end.
Regardless, I'm not buying your analogy (intentional or not) that equates the Hamas attack to vandalism or robbery and the Israeli response to a scenario where the victim of a robbery "went home and got your guns, then went to the guy's house, killed him, burned down the house, kicked his family out into the street, and did it all while explicitly stating that you were being violent enough his decendents will remember and be scared". Whatever your intent, your analogy goes out of its way to minimize the Hamas attack and makes the Israeli response out to be exponentially more severe by comparison. Analogies are always imperfect, but they should at least have some internal consistency.
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Islam Downgraded To Religion Of Mostly Peace
https://babylonbee.com/news/islam-downgraded-to-religion-of-mostly-peace
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Sure. One of those defensive slaps I hear about all the time.
Agreed, Indeed I have been saying in several place on the internet for days now that this is a war, and to stop projecting Western fantasies of what is "right" onto two different cultures engaging in a war. It's going to be bloody.
The chuckle I was having was ONLY because so many American new sources keep having to hammer home that Israel is "defending" itself by invading Gaza. They have to do that BECAUSE Americans are too retarded to understand that Nations fight wars, and in wars a bunch of folks gonna die, even non combatats. They can't just say the truth: Hamas pushed too far, and Israel is going to invade Palestine and *expletive deleted*ck them up, and a bunch of civilians are going to die in the invasion, and a bunch more are going to die of disease and starvation in the rubble, so that the next time Hamas starts talking about crossing the wall the survivors tell them to sit the *expletive deleted*ck down.
Because if they say that, Israel isn't the underdog, and America roots for the underdog.
But whatever, perhaps I'm the only one that finds that narrative funny,
The most consistent things I am seeing are:
1. All the leftist journalists and govt types condemn the "violence", but often fall short of condemning the terrorists.
2. The UN and many leftist journalists always start calling for peace as soon as Israel started to take action in response. It is always sounds as if they are secretly cheering for the terrorists and want to prevent Israel from doing anything that might actually defeat them.
I don't really find it funny so much as predictable.
The only new information for me this time: I like Telegram as it allows people to share videos that show gore and violence or just gun stuff. However, it seems that everyone that ever got kicked up every other forum ended up there and there is lots of distasteful commentary to ignore.
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The most consistent things I am seeing are:
1. All the leftist journalists and govt types condemn the "violence", but often fall short of condemning the terrorists.
2. The UN and many leftist journalists always start calling for peace as soon as Israel started to take action in response. It is always sounds as if they are secretly cheering for the terrorists and want to prevent Israel from doing anything that might actually defeat them.
I don't really find it funny so much as predictable.
The only new information for me this time: I like Telegram as it allows people to share videos that show gore and violence or just gun stuff. However, it seems that everyone that ever got kicked up every other forum ended up there and there is lots of distasteful commentary to ignore.
Absolutely spot on with what I've seen before, and what I'm seeing now.
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I think what I take your underlying point to be is correct - that wars suck, are messy, and people get killed who shouldn't be killed. Nor do I disagree that people use propaganda and manipulated phrasing to make nasty things more palatable, and phrasing Israel's response as defensive is a means to that end.
Regardless, I'm not buying your analogy (intentional or not) that equates the Hamas attack to vandalism or robbery and the Israeli response to a scenario where the victim of a robbery "went home and got your guns, then went to the guy's house, killed him, burned down the house, kicked his family out into the street, and did it all while explicitly stating that you were being violent enough his decendents will remember and be scared". Whatever your intent, your analogy goes out of its way to minimize the Hamas attack and makes the Israeli response out to be exponentially more severe by comparison. Analogies are always imperfect, but they should at least have some internal consistency.
It is my understanding that Israel intends their response to be exponentially more severe. That's why I made my analogy that way, imperfect as it appears to have been.
I have released all the restraints, we have [regained] control of the area, and we are moving to a full offense, .... You will have the ability to change the reality here. You have seen the prices [being paid], and you will get to see the change. Hamas wanted a change in Gaza;....They will regret this moment, Gaza will never go back to what it was.
[Israel’s response in the Gaza Strip will be] remembered for the next 50 years and [Hamas] will regret that they started it.
The rules of war have changed. The price the Gaza Strip will pay will be a very heavy price, that will change reality for generations,
Quotes from here: https://www.timesofisrael.com/gallant-israel-moving-to-full-offense-gaza-will-never-go-back-to-what-it-once-was/ and here: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/gallant-in-ofakim-israels-response-to-hamas-will-be-remembered-for-the-next-50-years/
Those are not the words of a man planning a what the military calls a "proportional response". It sounds to me like someone that is planning on going home and getting his guns (staging the IDF and calling up reserves), Going to the guy's house (invading Gaza proper with ground forces), killing him (removing the leadership of Hamas), Burning down his house (Destroying critical buildings and infrastructure in Gaza, including water and power), and doing all while explicitly stating that you were being violent enough his decedents will remember and be scared ("will be remembered for the next 50 years).
Again I have no problem morally with Israel doing this. They deserve their blood if they can take it. I was just struck by Biden and Blinken and the other talking heads (That sounds like a New Age band) going on about "Israel has the right to defend itself" while Israel is clearly gearing up for something biblical.
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Rob Ski over at AK Operators Union, Local 47-74 says YOU NEED AK NOW! Live or Die!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laryyzZjNvU&t=1s
Great find ! Spot on video ! =D
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As most any sane govt would. To sit back behind defenses and do nothing only invites the enemy to try again or find some other gap or vulnerability.
Yeah, like our southern border. The fact that there are now both Chinese "immigrants" as well as young male Syrians showing up down there should show multiple "red flags". :facepalm: [barf] [ar15]
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It is my understanding that Israel intends their response to be exponentially more severe.
Ah. I guess we'll have to see what actually comes about.
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The local TV news just had a story on about the CnC functions of Scott AFB in IL-ANNOY. They are responsible for the logistics, including in-flight refueling.
I bring this up as posted the other day at Gunsnet (https://www.gunsnet.net/showthread.php/47153-How-the-US-goes-into-that-goodnight-High-Altitude-EMP), this thread talked about a satellite the NorKs put up that has never transmitted any kind of signal and is in an unusual orbit, a circumpolar one. This brings it over different sections of the U.S. multiple times a day.
What would be the result if it IS an EMP device and they set it off over Scott and disrupted their comm links? How might that help Hamas/Iran/Russia in this new Mideast conflict?
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The US Military has a pretty robust communications network. Knocking one base out is unlikely to effect operations for any length of time.
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The local TV news just had a story on about the CnC functions of Scott AFB in IL-ANNOY. They are responsible for the logistics, including in-flight refueling.
I bring this up as posted the other day at Gunsnet (https://www.gunsnet.net/showthread.php/47153-How-the-US-goes-into-that-goodnight-High-Altitude-EMP), this thread talked about a satellite the NorKs put up that has never transmitted any kind of signal and is in an unusual orbit, a circumpolar one. This brings it over different sections of the U.S. multiple times a day.
What would be the result if it IS an EMP device and they set it off over Scott and disrupted their comm links? How might that help Hamas/Iran/Russia in this new Mideast conflict?
Norks setting off an emp over the USA would be dialing the F-around knob to 11. The Find Out phase would eliminate any worries about the economic impact to South Korea should reunification ever happen. Because there wouldn’t be enough left to reunify with to matter.
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So we were kinda talking about, "What if the Israeli citizens were armed?". Looks like a data point for, "They would still be alive" has been found:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12616229/Israeli-woman-Inbar-Lieberman-kibbutz-Nir-Hamas.html
It appears to be the only Kibbutz in the area that escaped a massacre. The terrorists faced return fire with some of them being killed, and they ran away. I'm unclear on how the Kibbutz got their guns, given the posts here outlining Israeli gun laws. The woman being lauded as a hero was their head of security. I'm guessing maybe they had an armory and she issued weapons early enough to do some good? Do all Kibbutzs have armories and security forces? If so, you'd think we would have heard of others who fought off the terrorists.
She was in charge of defense. She opened the armory and they set up ambushes killing 25 terrorists.
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Next Friday could be interesting: The Muslim "Day of Rage". They say "next Friday", but I don't know if that means Friday next week, or Friday the 13th.
1. To show anger, especially next Friday, in Muslim countries and Also among Muslim diaspora around the world; he called it “the Friday of Al-Aqsa flood”, he said this will send a message of rage to Zionists and to America
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/10/11/head-of-hamas-calls-for-a-day-of-rage-next-friday-from-his-hiding-place-n2388425
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Next Friday could be interesting: The Muslim "Day of Rage". They say "next Friday", but I don't know if that means Friday next week, or Friday the 13th.
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/10/11/head-of-hamas-calls-for-a-day-of-rage-next-friday-from-his-hiding-place-n2388425
Ah yes, the head of Hamas who lives the life of luxury in Qatar. I wonder how much of his own blood he is willing to give up for his day of rage, ok, rhetorical question.
bob
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Ah yes, the head of Hamas who lives the life of luxury in Qatar.
Yeah, our buddies in Qatar. I don't understand why we're so cozy with them. I recall people from there roaming my building when I was still working, and people from our DC office visiting them for "scientific knowledge exchange", and coming back with photos of their stays at 100 star hotels.
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After the GWOT you’d expect people to be more skeptical of international entanglement, and claims that this or that punitive war will work out well. If there’s any angle for America in this, it is extremely hard to see how it will yield anything other than blowback.
Whether it’s war on Mexico for cartels, war on Russia to save the Ukrainian patriots, war on Palestinians to avenge the Israelis, the cheerleading for it smacks of folks having watched Saving Private Ryan one too many times.
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Yeah, our buddies in Qatar. I don't understand why we're so cozy with them. I recall people from there roaming my building when I was still working, and people from our DC office visiting them for "scientific knowledge exchange", and coming back with photos of their stays at 100 star hotels.
You're just jealous because the best you ever got was a 95-star hotel.
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FWIW he said Friday the 13th.
Stay strapped.
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After the GWOT you’d expect people to be more skeptical of international entanglement, and claims that this or that punitive war will work out well. If there’s any angle for America in this, it is extremely hard to see how it will yield anything other than blowback . . .
I'm not a real historian, so help me out here . . . what blowback did Rome get after the end of the Third Punic War?
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FWIW he said Friday the 13th.
Stay strapped.
Trying to decide which to carry along with my sidearm, an AR15 or my AK47…..lol
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Trying to decide which to carry along with my sidearm, an AR15 or my AK47…..lol
An AR in 7.62x39
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Another tangent: I just got an email from SG Ammo, and they said that in the last few days, ammo orders have quadrupled and are continuing to rise. The email said it was actually overwhelming their warehouse staff. They said they're holding prices for as long as they can, but there is a good chance of low ammo availability and higher prices, not just from them, but everyone.
As happens every time we run into ammo shortages and price increases, I'm glad I recently put in a big order, and wish that it was double what I ordered. :laugh:
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I just got a couple cases, but it'll realisitically only hold me to Christmas. ugh
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Before you run to get your wallet it's The Babylon Bee
But someone really needs to start one.
GoFundMe To Send The Squad To Gaza Raises $5 Million
https://babylonbee.com/news/gofundme-to-send-the-squad-to-gaza-raises-5-million
More BB
Palestinian Flag Outside Rashida Tlaib's Office Seen Throwing Pride Flag Off The Roof
https://babylonbee.com/news/palestinian-flag-outside-rashida-tlaibs-office-seen-throwing-pride-flag-off-the-roof
Harvard Student Leaves Lecture On Microaggressions To Attend ‘Kill The Jews’ Rally
https://babylonbee.com/news/harvard-student-leaves-lecture-on-microaggressions-to-attend-kill-the-jews-rally
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I just got a couple cases, but it'll realisitically only hold me to Christmas. ugh
That's about where I am with the amount of shooting I'm doing these days. In fact this last order was, "ammo is cheap right now, so I might as well order extra now". The problem for me is, that the dollar amount of the total looks big, so like this last one was 1000 rounds of 9, 300 rounds of .300 subs, and 300 rounds of the Federal LE 9mm carry ammo, because they had a good sale on that. It was around $700, so I was like, "ok, that's enough for now".
Realistically though, when it's this cheap, what I need to do is just give the UPS guy a hernia and order like $5K of ammo so I have a better stock for price fluctuations, and eventually I'm shooting it all whether I buy it piecemeal or in one big order.
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Another tangent: I just got an email from SG Ammo, and they said that in the last few days, ammo orders have quadrupled and are continuing to rise. The email said it was actually overwhelming their warehouse staff. They said they're holding prices for as long as they can, but there is a good chance of low ammo availability and higher prices, not just from them, but everyone.
As happens every time we run into ammo shortages and price increases, I'm glad I recently put in a big order, and wish that it was double what I ordered. :laugh:
I was going to say this is going to give the ammo supply another hit especially 5.56
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I'm low on a lot of ammo. But I have ammo for... serious purposes.
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https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/syria-israeli-airstrikes-hit-airports-damascus-aleppo-damaging-103920455
Being reported that the IDF hit the runways of international airports in Damascus and Aleppo. Syria might have wanted to keep Hezbollah on thier side of the border for this one, and not transshipped all those M4s to Gaza.
To follow up on what I said yesterday, it really looks like the IDF is about to collect some scalps. More tanks have been staged near the border with Gaza overnight as well.
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I'm low on a lot of ammo. But I have ammo for... serious purposes.
I've got 2400 or so rounds of M855 that I just keep, and I dunno 1000-1400 or so of 9mm JHP warshots. This is more if I can't afford range ammo, than I can't really train. Also Range time is my therapy and I get twitchy if I have to cut round count back.
I am seriously short of .300 BLK though. Maybe 250 rounds combined supers and subs.
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I am seriously short of .300 BLK though. Maybe 250 rounds combined supers and subs.
SG Ammo has (or had) Winchester subs on sale (which was part of my last order). I usually use S&B.
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Trying to decide which to carry along with my sidearm, an AR15 or my AK47…..lol
An AR in 7.62x39
Or an AK in 5.56
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An AR in 7.62x39
I have one of those too
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Ammo numbers aren’t where I want them but I have a 600 round can, 6 mags and an AR for each 5 of my kids, 300 rounds of pistol ammo for their handgun of choice.
Wife gets the same and I have a bunch of .300 BO for me. AR10 ammo is in the works but only sitting at 500 rounds. Took 4 lbs of CFE223 (@$35 lb) for 500 rounds. $170 for 500 168 gr Hornady BTHP and a little over $100 for used brass. Thankfully I had a bunch of CCI LRP primers. I swear it’s a wash between buying bulk .308 service rifle ammo and reloading my own.
Since I’m the “armory” for our family, I’ve been working up bug out kits for each adult child for a while now.
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Update on the $6b
The U.S. and Qatar have agreed to freeze $6 billion in Iranian assets in the wake of the brutal attack on Israel by terror group Hamas.
The money had been transferred to Iranian accounts in Qatar as part of a controversial US-Iran prisoner swap deal last month, which saw five US detainees released by the Tehran regime.
Iran's access to the money has now been halted as Washington seeks to punish it for its long political and military support of Hamas.
He added: 'None of the funds that have now gone to Qatar have actually been spent or accessed by Iran in any way.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12624251/U-S-Qatar-freeze-6-billion-Iranian-funds-wake-Hamas-attack-Israel-Biden-punishes-Tehran-support-terror-group.html
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A few bits of information not in the general MSM (including Fox) news stream.
https://youtu.be/tHYDbbR7tYs
I have to now question some of the reports of atrocities from the initial Hamas attack as there seems to be some walking back. I have no doubt atrocities occurred, but there may be some Israeli PSYOPS in play here, which would make me start adjusting my stance on them, as I have with Ukraine in that debacle.
Just to be clear, I still think Hamas are the bad guys, but as I mentioned earlier, Israel is not pure, and how dirty they are or not may be in flux here.
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"By deception thou shalt do war"
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A few bits of information not in the general MSM (including Fox) news stream.
Can you please tell me what the video says? I do not have sound.
Thank you.
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Can you please tell me what the video says? I do not have sound.
Thank you.
It's too dense to summarize. A transcript is available here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/868255/13766374-the-wire-october-12-2023 HTH
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Can you please tell me what the video says? I do not have sound.
Thank you.
Everything you've read in here plus
"Despite many claims of atrocities being walked back as no evidence surfaces, truth is no longer able to stop this war from escalating."
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"Based on the public rhetoric of IDF officials, and Israel’s military actions so far, there is zero chance of proportional response. The lines are beginning to blur between what Israel considers to be HAMAS, and the Palestinian population. Based on IDF officials’ statements so far, it is highly likely that Israel intends to totally eradicate every Palestinian from Gaza. Talks are allegedly already underway with Egypt (and other nations) to take in the survivors/refugees that remain."
I would like to see examples of the "many claims of atrocities being walked back" and concrete info to back up the underlined.
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A UK newspaper will publish images of babies Israel says were killed by Hamas militants in the coming hours.
The Daily Telegraph posted the front page to its account on X, formerly known as Twitter, on Thursday night. It said the images, first shared by Israel's account on the site, would be published inside its Friday morning edition.
The images, shared by the @Israel account on X, are extremely graphic and the BBC is not showing them.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67073970?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=652870dbfd63b979e1acd3d9%26UK%20paper%20to%20share%20images%20of%20Israeli%20babies%20killed%262023-10-12T22%3A53%3A22.623Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:4c5edcfd-8bc3-4720-ba75-0436718f4c05&pinned_post_asset_id=652870dbfd63b979e1acd3d9&pinned_post_type=share
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Meanwhile in London
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12625075/Shocking-moment-woman-says-Palestine-tears-posters-children-kidnapped-Hamas-terrorists-woman-filmed-encounter-says-Jewish-people-Britain-scared-forced-hide-religion-public.html
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Okay, the "walk back" is coming from CNN
Update: Israel cannot confirm the specific claim that babies were beheaded in Hamas' attack, an official says, contradicting previous public statement https://t.co/H4kaS1LiX9
— CNN International (@cnni) October 12, 2023
So I guess this is what is prompting the release of the photos, Another one of CNN's famous "officials"
CNN: Official says Israel cannot confirm that babies were beheaded in Hamas attack
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/10/12/cnn-official-says-israel-cannot-confirm-that-babies-were-beheaded-in-hamas-attack-n2388473
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Meanwhile in London
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12625075/Shocking-moment-woman-says-Palestine-tears-posters-children-kidnapped-Hamas-terrorists-woman-filmed-encounter-says-Jewish-people-Britain-scared-forced-hide-religion-public.html
Jews haven’t that much more welcome in (formerly) Great Britain vs the rest of Europe for most of the last 200 years. The Brit’s haven’t outright murdered Jews, but they’ve appeased others in their efforts to do so. Outside of a few Muslim enclaves the USA has kinda/mostly avoided widespread antisemitism.
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Israel was warned by Egypt of potential violence three days before Hamas' deadly cross-border raid, a US congressional panel chairman has said.
House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee head Michael McCaul told reporters of the alleged warning.
An Egyptian intelligence official told the Associated Press news agency this week that Cairo had repeatedly warned the Israelis "something big" was being planned from Gaza.
"We have warned them an explosion of the situation is coming, and very soon, and it would be big. But they underestimated such warnings," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
The Cairo official said Israeli officials had played down the threat from Gaza, instead focusing on the West Bank.
Egypt warned Israel days before Hamas struck, US committee chairman says
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67082047
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I was going to say this is going to give the ammo supply another hit especially 5.56
Thankfully, that is one caliber I don't use. =D
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(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/why-ar-15-2.jpg)
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Honestly that'd be a pretty tricky shot with an AR-15. Ranging the guy, accounting for angle of shot, estimating lateral movement and leading....doable, but tricky.
Something like a dual M2 or one of those old quad 1.1" autocannons would be pretty solid for that falling formation. M240B at minimum. =D =D
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3 1/2 inch magnum 00 buck?
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Honestly that'd be a pretty tricky shot with an AR-15. Ranging the guy, accounting for angle of shot, estimating lateral movement and leading....doable, but tricky.
Something like a dual M2 or one of those old quad 1.1" autocannons would be pretty solid for that falling formation. M240B at minimum. =D =D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_Multiple_Gun_Motor_Carriage =)
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We have our very own version of Hamas here and they call themselves the Proud Boys
Yeah, wake me when they raid a community and start killing everyone in it including the babies.
Sunny Hostin: "I think we all know Hamas has been designated a terror organization just like many other terror organizations have this designation, like the Proud Boys here in the United States." pic.twitter.com/BdNXgaWC01
— David Rutz (@DavidRutz) October 13, 2023
The View's Sonny Hostin says the US has its own version of Hamas
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/10/13/the-views-sonny-hostin-says-the-us-has-its-own-version-of-hamas-n2388511
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We have our very own version of Hamas here and they call themselves the Proud Boys
Yeah, wake me when they raid a community and start killing everyone in it including the babies.
The View's Sonny Hostin says the US has its own version of Hamas
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/10/13/the-views-sonny-hostin-says-the-us-has-its-own-version-of-hamas-n2388511
Sounds like Sonny is confusing the Proud Boys with the BLM/Antifa crowd.
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Sounds like Sonny is confusing the Proud Boys with the BLM/Antifa crowd.
Sounds like Sonny is purposefully confusing the people that pay attention to the view.
Weaponized media.
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Sounds like Sonny is purposefully confusing the people that pay attention to the view.
Weaponized media.
People who pay attention to the view are a lost cause.
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Sounds like Sonny is purposefully confusing the people that pay attention to the view.
... and how difficult would that be?
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Other than one stabbing in France, the "Day of Jihad" appears to be a bust.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8WgdA4W4AAa-je?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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There was one in China also. Israeli embassy employee.
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3 1/2 inch magnum 00 buck?
Only if you want to wait for them to be within 100 yards of the ground.
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3 1/2 inch magnum 00 buck?
I was thinking more Oerlikon. 2A protects the weapons we need to defend America, right? Apparently that now means having the avility to down paragliders.
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I was thinking more Oerlikon. 2A protects the weapons we need to defend America, right? Apparently that now means having the avility to down paragliders.
We have already been told by our President that it should include F-15s and nuclear weapons, so that seems legit.
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A-10s for everybody!
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A-10s for everybody!
Attack aircraft for everyone . . . reminds me of something I remember seeing on TV.
Couple of decades back, Pepsi was passing out premium points with every purchase, and they ran a commercial saying that if you had X points you'd get a prize, 2X points would get you a better prize, etc.
And they wound up their commercial saying you'd get a Harrier Jump Jet for 7,000,000 points.
Somebody DID accumulate 7,000,000 points and demanded their jump jet. Case went to court, and a judge ruled for the company, basically saying that - despite the absence of a disclaimer - Pepsi in their ad "was just kidding" and didn't have to honor their ad.
https://readysteadycut.com/2022/11/21/did-anyone-get-the-harrier-jet-from-pepsi/
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Pepsi Jump Jet Case
And that is why I haven't given up on the internet. Yet.
Good read. Thank you for the link.
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How long before it can be said Israel has gone too far? Outwardly they seem to be out for blood at the moment, can they keep it under control?
Yes I know there are those saying that already but many of those say that anytime Israel shoots back
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How long before it can be said Israel has gone too far? Outwardly they seem to be out for blood at the moment, can they keep it under control?
Yes I know there are those saying that already but many of those say that anytime Israel shoots back
That's going to depend heavily on the preconceived notions (and sometimes financial connections) of the person making the statement.
If you forced me to make a call, I'd probably say that Israel is morally justified in military operations until they have removed Hamas' ability to wage war against them with anything more than small arms. So Rocket assembly points and staging areas, hardened command centers, weapons and explosive stockpiles, all that stuff. If israel wants to take it all out, I can see their justification. In the real world that probably means ground invasion of Gaza, occupation for 6 or so months while they track everything down and destroy it, and asymmetrical city fighting to accomplish the mission. I'd bet 200,000 or so dead by the end, if the IDF is even capable of it.
If they go beyond that to something like ethnic cleansing, they've gone too far.
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Attack aircraft for everyone . . . reminds me of something I remember seeing on TV.
Couple of decades back, Pepsi was passing out premium points with every purchase, and they ran a commercial saying that if you had X points you'd get a prize, 2X points would get you a better prize, etc.
And they wound up their commercial saying you'd get a Harrier Jump Jet for 7,000,000 points.
Somebody DID accumulate 7,000,000 points and demanded their jump jet. Case went to court, and a judge ruled for the company, basically saying that - despite the absence of a disclaimer - Pepsi in their ad "was just kidding" and didn't have to honor their ad.
https://readysteadycut.com/2022/11/21/did-anyone-get-the-harrier-jet-from-pepsi/
I remember the commercial and the court case both happened when I was a kid
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Like most of you I've lived my whole life with my sympathies being towards Israel in regards to the Arab/Israel conflict.
As my understanding of the world has broadened, unfortunately pretty late in life, I find geopolitical issues are always more complicated and nuanced than I was led to believe.
There are only so many potential outcomes. These are what I see as probable in the broadest low resolution terms.
- Some type arrangement between the Palestinians and Israel is reached where they each have their own land, where they are ethnically dominant and in charge of their own affairs.
Israel and its backers (the west) takes the whole region by force and Arab Palestine ceases to exist.
Palestine and it's backers take the whole region by force and Israel as a nation loses its land.
That region remains in perpetual low grade warfare with occasional larger conflagrations but the status quo remains in place during our lifetimes.
Each one of the ones I've listed have immediate, secondary and even more downstream impacts on the USA.
I've personally resigned myself to the latter outcome. Obviously the first one listed is ideal but is dependent on good faith actors all the way around. I'm not seeing any good faith actors, including us.
My position is I don't support sending dogmush and his colleagues to potentially die defending, or supporting offensive actions in Israel.
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Israeli style karma
Palestinian pizzeria uses image of kidnapped grandmother in an advert. The Israelis decided to pay the pizzeria a visit with a bulldozer
The Eiffel Bakery and Supermarket posted an apology Facebook, which said that it was not aware of the source of the photograph.
Sure Jan
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12630141/Israelis-raze-Palestinian-pizzeria-ground-used-picture-kidnapped-grandmother-mocking-advert.html
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That's going to depend heavily on the preconceived notions (and sometimes financial connections) of the person making the statement.
This entirely.
If they go beyond that to something like ethnic cleansing, they've gone too far.
Given Hamas’ preference of using civilians as human shields and the Palestinian population’s willingness to protect their terrorists, I worry that even if Israel legitimately tries to avoid ethnic cleansing (and to be clear, I am not convinced of that given their current thirst for blood) it will be hard to distinguish by appearance and outcome the legitimate operations to root out Hamas and ethnic cleansing.
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That region remains in perpetual low grade warfare with occasional larger conflagrations but the status quo remains in place during our lifetimes.
As it has for the past 3-4 thousand years, wiping Israel off the map isn't going to change that. Most Arabs of the region have a tribal mindset and drawing lines on a map and raising national flags hasn't changed that. Even if you took all the guns away and Israel suddenly disappeared they would go back to throwing rocks to each other like they always have.
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As it has for the past 3-4 thousand years, wiping Israel off the map isn't going to change that. Most Arabs of the region have a tribal mindset and drawing lines on a map and raising national flags hasn't changed that. Even if you took all the guns away and Israel suddenly disappeared they would go back to throwing rocks to each other like they always have.
Humans are tribal by our nature.
I'm thinking we've been raised in a defacto empire and don't view the world the way most humans do. We can't even muster up enough support to protect our own borders due to the deracination and detribalisation of our thinking processes in the west. The tribalists destroy empires due to their cohesiveness, and the unstable conditions of competing factions within empires. It's just a matter of time I'm thinking.
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Humans are tribal by our nature.
Yes... and the Western world is extremely atypical in that it is not very tribal at all. Which explains why we are willing to take immigrants from the most horrible cultures on Earth, and to pretend that they are just like us. Witness the massive demonstrations in support of Hamas in some Western cities.
The immigration policies in the West are suicidal.
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Yes... and the Western world is extremely atypical in that it is not very tribal at all. Which explains why we are willing to take immigrants from the most horrible cultures on Earth, and to pretend that they are just like us. Witness the massive demonstrations in support of Hamas in some Western cities.
The immigration policies in the West are suicidal.
The west is pretty impressively tribal, we just don't tend to be ethnically tribal. An d that's a recent thing. Irish/German/Scandinavian/Chinese/Korean tribalism all the way down to enclaves they all lived in was a real thing until 50 years ago. These days the obvious flippant observation would be to say wear a MAGA hat in Portland and let me know how the tribalism goes, but there are more throughout are whole history. Protestant/Catholic is another obvious one in the history of the west. In America, North/South is still a thing, as is Urban/Rural. There's a TON of smaller "sub" tribes among our youth that are virulently cruel to each other. Racial Tribes are on the rise all throughout the US and Western Europe.
They like to pretend they aren't, but the West is every bit as tribal as everyone else. It's less obvious because we aren't, yet, at the point of civil unrest where tribal violence is tolerated and encouraged, but the tribal drive is just as strong in Skye the Blue-haired College girl as it is in Mohammad the Goat Herd.
My position is I don't support sending dogmush and his colleagues to potentially die defending, or supporting offensive actions in Israel.
I appreciate that. I'm still hoping for a the next war to have good weather and alcohol. Don't the British Virgin Islands need some more Democracytm?
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One side benefit of the current war: it's bringing out the online anti-semites.
https://twitter.com/Never_Again2020/status/1712898912573370695
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8Vwbp4XgAAqt-U?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
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The west is pretty impressively tribal, we just don't tend to be ethnically tribal. An d that's a recent thing. Irish/German/Scandinavian/Chinese/Korean tribalism all the way down to enclaves they all lived in was a real thing until 50 years ago. These days the obvious flippant observation would be to say wear a MAGA hat in Portland and let me know how the tribalism goes, but there are more throughout are whole history. Protestant/Catholic is another obvious one in the history of the west. In America, North/South is still a thing, as is Urban/Rural. There's a TON of smaller "sub" tribes among our youth that are virulently cruel to each other. Racial Tribes are on the rise all throughout the US and Western Europe.
They like to pretend they aren't, but the West is every bit as tribal as everyone else. It's less obvious because we aren't, yet, at the point of civil unrest where tribal violence is tolerated and encouraged, but the tribal drive is just as strong in Skye the Blue-haired College girl as it is in Mohammad the Goat Herd.
I would argue the west has been more nationalistic than tribal the past ~150+ years but also that the left seems to be determined to reverse that hiding it under a veil of internationalism. We've already seen some fruits of that effort with the US becoming increasing more divided into ltribal like groups centered on race, sexual orientation, environmentalism, political views, economics, etc... And they've done a pretty good job of turning those groups against each other.
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Videos supposedly showing Hamas blocking convoys trying to leave Gaza
Hamas 'stops civilians escaping northern Gaza' as hundreds of thousands flee for their lives: Israeli military says terrorists are blocking convoys as Netanyahu tells soldiers 'the next stage is coming' with UN warning Gaza is 'being pushed into an abyss'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12632439/Hamas-stops-civilians-escaping-northern-Gaza-hundreds-thousands-flee-lives-Israeli-military-says-terrorists-blocking-convoys-Netanyahu-tells-soldiers-stage-coming-warning-Gaza-pushed-abyss.html
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I saw a video on OSINT this morning of a VBIED blowing up in trafic and closing one of the bridges out of Gaza. It certainly seems like someone is intent on stopping any evacuation.
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I saw a video on OSINT this morning of a VBIED blowing up in trafic and closing one of the bridges out of Gaza. It certainly seems like someone is intent on stopping any evacuation.
May be the same one I saw where Hamas is claiming Israel blew up the vehicle and attacking the escape routes. I wouldn't put it pass Hamas to be doing it themselves to block people from escaping and thus give Hamas more bodies to hide behind and attempt to frame Israel both for blocking the escape routes and and killing civilians
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I can think of no credible reason the IDF would tell people to evacuate, postpone the invasion for folks to evacuate giving Hamas time to prepare defenses, then attack the evacuation convoys.
Also not sure how or why the IDF would use a VBIED that originated in Gaza for such a hypothetical attack
Hamas, on the other hand, has a very clear motive to keep civilians in Gaza, and existing IED resources in Gaza.
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I can think of no credible reason the IDF would tell people to evacuate, postpone the invasion for folks to evacuate giving Hamas time to prepare defenses, then attack the evacuation convoys.
Also not sure how or why the IDF would use a VBIED that originated in Gaza for such a hypothetical attack
Hamas, on the other hand, has a very clear motive to keep civilians in Gaza, and existing IED resources in Gaza.
Excacty
But on the car matter if the car blew up by VBIED vs missile Hamas knows that much of the media either can't tell the difference or don't care and will run with Hamas's narrative.
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They like to pretend they aren't, but the West is every bit as tribal as everyone else.
I don't think that's really true, though I suppose it is a matter of degree, rather than kind. The WEIRDest People in the World: How the West Became Psychologically Peculiar and Particularly Prosperous Joseph Henrich is very interesting book on the issue.
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The immigration from '68 onward destroyed the remains of American tribalism that was already in decline.
We are not a people or tribe of one nation, but many peoples from many nations. There isn't even the counterfeit tribalism of civic nationalism left anymore. Turns out the idea of a propositional nation is a lie.
Prepare for chaos as the USA becomes every tribe, every man for himself and everything that hasn't broken yet will eventually stop working.
So yes, the USA is tribal, it has many many tribes and they don't all get along. End stage empire stuff.
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May be the same one I saw where Hamas is claiming Israel blew up the vehicle and attacking the escape routes. I wouldn't put it pass Hamas to be doing it themselves to block people from escaping and thus give Hamas more bodies to hide behind and attempt to frame Israel both for blocking the escape routes and and killing civilians
That was my first (and only) thought on these reports.
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I love how so many on the "Israel is evil" path keep saying that Israel is killing innocent people in Gaza.
Gazans elected Hamas to power in 2006.
They put into power a terrorist organization that has repeatedly attacked Israel by targeting civilians, including women and children.
Gazans are responsible for the recent Hamas attack by allowing the organization to come to, and maintain power.
It is, in many ways, how Stalin saw it as the Red Army approached Germany... Only the unborn are innocent.
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I wouldn't put it pass Hamas to be doing it themselves to block people from escaping and thus give Hamas more bodies to hide behind and attempt to frame Israel both for blocking the escape routes and and killing civilians.
Various sources have had similar opinions on that probability. :facepalm:
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I am perfectly clear who has initiated this latest round of killing (and so many before). I will in no way assuage the guilt of the men who planned the attack or the people who chose them to head down that road, but I’m also not so blinded by hate that I can’t hurt for the innocent people that will die or have their already difficult lives shattered because of the Israeli response.
Or the children that will grow up hating the Jew for their pain and loss enough to restart the cycle of violence as soon as they come of age.
Like Ukraine there will be no winners to this war.
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I am perfectly clear who has initiated this latest round of killing (and so many before). I will in no way assuage the guilt of the men who planned the attack or the people who chose them to head down that road, but I’m also not so blinded by hate that I can’t hurt for the innocent people that will die or have their already difficult lives shattered because of the Israeli response.
Or the children that will grow up hating the Jew for their pain and loss enough to restart the cycle of violence as soon as they come of age.
Like Ukraine there will be no winners to this war.
Well put.
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It is, in many ways, how Stalin saw it as the Red Army approached Germany... Only the unborn are innocent.
So Israel is operating on Stalin's philosophy? Might not be the win you intended.
Palestine and Israel are at war. They have been for quite some time. In war ( every war, for all time ) civilians have been killed, because that's how the world works. Sometimes they are targeted to attempt to convince the other country to give up, sometimes they just catch collateral rounds.
This is how the world works. The west needs to stop trying to ascribe Good and Evil to it.
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Interesting translation and analysis of the Hamas OPORD:
https://ryanmcbeth.substack.com/p/inside-the-hamas-operations-order
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"So Israel is operating on Stalin's philosophy? Might not be the win you intended."
Did I say they were? Do I think they are?
No.
It's pretty obvious that they are not given that they're providing pre-strike warnings and have issues warnings to Gazans to evacuate.
It's my evaluation that there are no "innocent" Gazans.
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Interesting translation and analysis of the Hamas OPORD:
https://ryanmcbeth.substack.com/p/inside-the-hamas-operations-order
That was interesting. Thank you. I'm going to throw him $5 for that one.
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Yeah, it's been pretty clear this operation was not something they cobbled together in an afternoon.
Now what has got me wondering is that they had to know what Israel's reaction was going to be so do they have a phase 2 waiting in the wings? I find it hard to believe that with all the time and care they took in planning this that their plan was to just kill some civilians and take hostages thus triggering a reaction from Israel and then just run back to Gaza to hide and wait. What have they got waiting ?
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Yeah, it's been pretty clear this operation was not something they cobbled together in an afternoon.
Now what has got me wondering is that they had to know what Israel's reaction was going to be so do they have a phase 2 waiting in the wings? I find it hard to believe that with all the time and care they took in planning this that their plan was to just kill some civilians and take hostages thus triggering a reaction from Israel and then just run back to Gaza to hide and wait. What have they got waiting ?
They are going to attempt to draw the IDF into a protracted urban engagement that will go a long way towards nullifying the IDF's advantages in armor and air power. If they can tie down a bunch of the IDF and deny them the ability to maneuver, ideally in close terrain that counters the IDF's sensor superiority they can inflict quite a bit of damage with infantry, light weapons and IEDs. They are also doing it on their home field, where they've had plenty of time to prep the battlefield, build defenses and choke points, and plan ambushes.
On the Strategic front if they get the IDF to engage in Gaza, and kill a bunch of non-combatants (say non-combatants that were prevented from leaving by VBIED attacks at border chokepoints) they think they it's likely they can draw other Arab countries into the war, giving the Palestinians enough allies to defeat Israel, and take a good portion of the Southern Israel to make a new country.
ETA For some perspective: The Second battle of Fallujah is a decent corollary. It was an Urban battle between a modern technological force vs. a much lighter equipped force of irregulars (armed by Iran) in a city the insurgents had had time to prepare defenses in. It's obviously much smaller. Fallujah is 25 sqkm, where as Gaza City alone is 45 sqkm and the whole Strip is 365 sqkm. Fallujah took 13,000 Coalition troops two weeks to mostly secure, and another month after that to actually secure, against ~4500 insurgents. We could also effect a 100% blockade of Fallujah, where as Gaza has a coast and an Egyptian border that is much harder to close. Hamas has, at best estimate, 30,000-40,000 fighters in Gaza, and a metric shitton of explosives and small arms. The IDF has a bit under 200,000 active forces, and a bit under 500,000 Reservists. Hamas thinks they can lure the IDF into a big enough incursion that they can pin down and destroy a good portion of it in the favorable terrain.
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I'm finding it interesting that the FBI and administration are both publicly stating credible Hamas related domestic terror threats. Given their history, I would have expected them to downplay the threat.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/fbi-warns-of-domestic-threats-linked-to-israel-hamas-war-urges-law-enforcement-to-watch-out-for-lone-actors-5510416
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I'm finding it interesting that the FBI and administration are both publicly stating credible Hamas related domestic terror threats. Given their history, I would have expected them to downplay the threat.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/fbi-warns-of-domestic-threats-linked-to-israel-hamas-war-urges-law-enforcement-to-watch-out-for-lone-actors-5510416
Someone in the admin will be along shortly to issue a statement that they meant to say white supremacists
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Which reminds me.
Has anyone tired to compare this to J6 yet? We all know J6 was much worse.
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(https://camp.idiot.pictures/images/photo/Palestine.jpg?version=1158818683)
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^^^
That has strong "King George in 1779" vibes. Or if you prefer "There is only One China in 2020" vibes.
They are fighting to create a Palestinian State. The majority of the world recognizes that such state exists. The Region of Palestine certainly exists and has been referred to for centuries. Balfour didn't pull the name out of his ass.
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They are fighting to create a Palestinian State.
Well, yeah, a Palestinian state where Israel currently exists.
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I can have a lot of sympathy for the regular people of Gaza. I mean, there’s no option for political representation that would just want o live peacefully with all their neighbors (anyone that says that will just be killed by Hamas), there’s no hope of living in anything but a de facto open air prison with basically no real economy. They can’t leave, even if Hamas and Israel would let them because there’s nowhere to go. The Arab countries around them them want them even less than Israel does, and the rest of the world isn’t champing at the bit to take them either.
Doesn’t mean the Israelis aren’t justified in what they’re doing. Hamas deserves to be exterminated.
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The rest of North Africa has managed to find enough watercraft to get into the Med and get picked up by the German NGO's and shuttled to Italy.
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"We can certainly afford two wars"
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2023/10/16/jesse-kelly-takes-janet-yellin-to-the-woodshed-for-saying-we-can-afford-two-wars-n2388594
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"We can certainly afford two wars"
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2023/10/16/jesse-kelly-takes-janet-yellin-to-the-woodshed-for-saying-we-can-afford-two-wars-n2388594
Well if one of those wars is with a major creditor and gives us the opportunity to cancel a bunch of debt without downgrading our credit rating, and the other war bankrupts one of the major players attempting to compete with the PetroDollar......I'm just saying.
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Two dead in Brussels gun rampage: Man claiming to be ISIS member avenging stabbing murder of US-Palestinian boy, 6, opens fire on group wearing Swedish football shirts ahead of Euro 2024 qualifier - then goes on the run
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12637199/two-people-shot-dead-Brussels.html
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9 Signs You Might Actually Be The Bad Guy
https://babylonbee.com/news/9-signs-you-might-actually-be-the-bad-guy
7. You have a heavy machine gun mounted in the bed of your 1994 Toyota pickup truck: Unless you live in Kentucky, this is a red flag.
Hey now
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Hamas Disappointed Liberals Don't Believe They Massacred Jews After They Went To All The Trouble To Livestream It
https://babylonbee.com/news/hamas-disappointed-leftists-dont-believe-they-massacred-jews-after-they-went-to-all-the-trouble-to-livestream-it
Israel Cuts Off Gaza From All Updates On Taylor Swift And Travis Kelce
https://babylonbee.com/news/israel-cuts-off-gaza-from-all-updates-on-taylor-swift--travis-kelce
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Top Brass
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The rest of North Africa has managed to find enough watercraft to get into the Med and get picked up by the German NGO's and shuttled to Italy.
Payback for switching sides in the last war.
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Top Brass
Was that tweet from 2015 or 2018? Hard to tell from the low resolution.
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2018
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2018
Got it, thanks. So the quote came from this article: https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/juniper-cobra-begins-with-us-and-idf-troops-simulating-missile-attacks-544598
It looks to me like the snippet in the tweet wasn't an actual quote, it was an interpretation by the author that to me reads as a response to a question about US tolerance for casualties.
And those US troops who would be deployed to Israel, are prepared to die for the Jewish state, Clark said.
“We are ready to commit to the defense of Israel and anytime we get involved in a kinetic fight there is always the risk that there will be casualties. But we accept that – as every conflict we train for and enter, there is always that possibility,” he said.
Not sure that Clark's actual statement was particularly noteworthy. The author's editorial description of it was certainly going to fire up people with certain political and religious persuasions.
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Interesting to me that all the big media outlets do their best to filter out "violent content" so the video of the Hamas attacks on Israel are hard to find. I see leftists demanding proof the Hamas killed women and children. Then the video of the Israeli attacks on Gaza are all over the place with claims of thousands of civilians killed with no demands for proof of those claims.
On the other side, why do I hear people talking about the US funding or fighting in a war against Hamas? It seems to me that Israel can take care of that without us. We are already give them more than enough aid money each year to pay for this.
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Gaza officials saying 500 killed in a supposed Israel attack on a hospital.
Wouldn't shock me one bit if Hamas and friends did it themselves.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67119233?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=652ec83a364b3f1612ec5441%26About%20500%20killed%20in%20hospital%20airstrike%2C%20say%20Palestinian%20officials%262023-10-17T17%3A50%3A05.579Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:91975670-bdd1-4bf5-8e13-1d01a9c338b4&pinned_post_asset_id=652ec83a364b3f1612ec5441&pinned_post_type=share
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Well, yeah, a Palestinian state where Israel currently exists.
IIRC, that is because Jerusalem and the Temple Mount is considered holy by all three major religions - Jews, Muslims, and Christians.
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IIRC, that is because Jerusalem and the Temple Mount is considered holy by all three major religions - Jews, Muslims, and Christians.
A bit less so by the Christians. For the other two, it's quite the sore point.
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Gaza officials saying 500 killed in a supposed Israel attack on a hospital.
Wouldn't shock me one bit if Hamas and friends did it themselves.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67119233?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=652ec83a364b3f1612ec5441%26About%20500%20killed%20in%20hospital%20airstrike%2C%20say%20Palestinian%20officials%262023-10-17T17%3A50%3A05.579Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:91975670-bdd1-4bf5-8e13-1d01a9c338b4&pinned_post_asset_id=652ec83a364b3f1612ec5441&pinned_post_type=share
Latest reports indicate a Hamas rocket went off course and hit the hospital by accident.
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"We can certainly afford two wars"
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2023/10/16/jesse-kelly-takes-janet-yellin-to-the-woodshed-for-saying-we-can-afford-two-wars-n2388594
https://babylonbee.com/news/yellen-says-us-can-afford-two-wars-because-she-gets-a-20-friends--family-discount-with-raytheon
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https://babylonbee.com/news/yellen-says-us-can-afford-two-wars-because-she-gets-a-20-friends--family-discount-with-raytheon
Certainly the defense stocks have been going up. I'll bet that a bunch of higher ups in deep state are buying cases of champagne this week via their insider trading.
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IIRC, that is because Jerusalem and the Temple Mount is considered holy by all three major religions - Jews, Muslims, and Christians.
I think it is mainly because the Arabs in the area weren't happy at being under (or next door to) a Jewish-controlled government established after WW2 (with mass Jewish immigration). It is my understanding that religious aspects of it are secondary.
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I wonder if this is microbalrog? :rofl:
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2023/10/17/put-this-in-a-museum-israeli-trans-woman-conflicted-about-hormones-palestine-liberation-n2388628
Hail satan!
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Latest reports indicate a Hamas rocket went off course and hit the hospital by accident.
Going back to BBC's live news feed and lots and lots of finger pointing. We probably will never know the truth.
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Biden going to Israel. What the heck is he going to do?
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Biden going to Israel. What the heck is he going to do?
Fall on some plane steps?
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Disrupt the hell out of an area getting ready for war. The security protecting him is likely to FUBAR whichever area he visits.
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Got it, thanks. So the quote came from this article: https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/juniper-cobra-begins-with-us-and-idf-troops-simulating-missile-attacks-544598
It looks to me like the snippet in the tweet wasn't an actual quote, it was an interpretation by the author that to me reads as a response to a question about US tolerance for casualties.Not sure that Clark's actual statement was particularly noteworthy. The author's editorial description of it was certainly going to fire up people with certain political and religious persuasions.
Well I guess we'll know if the to word comes down about possibly deployments to Israel above and beyond the Navy who are already being involved.
Austin "placed approximately 2,000 personnel and a range of units on a heightened state of readiness through a prepare-to-deploy order," Pentagon spokeswoman Sabrina Singh said in the emailed statement.
The order is just the latest in a series of deployments and posture adjustments, including the movement of two carrier strike groups and a Marine expeditionary unit to the region, that have been announced by the Pentagon in recent days to bolster support of Israel as it wages war against Hamas, a Palestinian group that rules the Gaza Strip and launched a terrorist attack earlier this month.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/10/17/pentagon-orders-2000-troops-prepare-deploy-israel-war-prompts-growing-us-military-presence.html
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Fall on some plane steps?
While babbling incoherently.
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Biden going to Israel. What the heck is he going to do?
trip on the stairs.
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Biden going to Israel. What the heck is he going to do?
Knowing Democrats he’s going to announce a historic funding bill for HAMAS
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OOPSIE!
At least 3 students who signed the "Israel is the root of all evil and is totally responsible for all of the death and destruction" letters at Harvard and Colombia has had job offers at prestigious law firms rescinded.
Other corporate leaders are also speaking out, saying they will not hire anyone who has signed those letters.
Good.
BUTBUTBUTBUTBUT... MAH FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS!
Actions have consequences, bitches.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careersandeducation/3-law-students-from-harvard-and-columbia-lost-job-offers-over-student-organizations-statements-on-the-israel-hamas-war/ar-AA1ioByA?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=60e38c344d17422ca2477ac744f343dd&ei=6
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trip on the stairs.
And Trippy is his name-O
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OOPSIE!
At least 3 students who signed the "Israel is the root of all evil and is totally responsible for all of the death and destruction" letters at Harvard and Colombia has had job offers at prestigious law firms rescinded.
Other corporate leaders are also speaking out, saying they will not hire anyone who has signed those letters.
Good.
BUTBUTBUTBUTBUT... MAH FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS!
Actions have consequences, bitches.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careersandeducation/3-law-students-from-harvard-and-columbia-lost-job-offers-over-student-organizations-statements-on-the-israel-hamas-war/ar-AA1ioByA?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=60e38c344d17422ca2477ac744f343dd&ei=6
The kids apparently failed to realize that the large law firms on the East Coast, especially New York, have enormous numbers of Jewish clients who may not appreciate the activism of the new associate on their case.
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Won't convince everyone but if true whoops
n an audio clip procured by Israeli military intelligence, two alleged Hamas terrorists can be heard discussing the explosion and confirming the rocket came from Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) - an independent jihadist group.
'They are saying (the rocket) belongs to Palestinian Islamic Jihad. It's from us?' one alleged Hamas member asks in the clip provided by Israel's military intelligence.
'It looks like it,' the other responded. 'It misfired and fell on them... God bless - couldn't it have found another place to explode?'
The alleged recording came after Israeli officials released a video of the moment a rocket purportedly streaking towards Israel from Gaza appears to suffer a problem and suddenly changes course before flaming out.
In the darkness, it is not clear whether the rocket broke apart or simply lost its trajectory.
But moments later, a pair of explosions erupt in the city below - the result of what Israel claims was the rocket falling back to Earth and striking the al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza City.
Israel releases 'audio of Hamas operatives discussing failed rocket launch' and video showing missile exploding in the sky moments before blast killed hundreds at Gaza hospital
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12643229/Israel-blast-Gaza-hospital-Palestine-video-rocket-misfire.html
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Hamas and similar groups have a LONG and "proud" history of using hospitals, schools, and other non-combatant facilities as shields for combat operations, and then screaming and crying and finger pointing when something does actually happen.
Do I know that was the case here? No.
Do I suspect it to have been the case? Yes.
Would Israel have been, by the rules of war, allowed to strike the hospital if they knew for a fact it was being used for military operations? Yes.
Once again, though, I have a REALLY hard time ginning up much pity at all.
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I can't remember where I read it yesterday, but apparently one of the reasons the hospital incident was so devastating was because the hospital was being used as a hamas munitions dump, and the stored munitions contributed to the damage.
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I can't remember where I read it yesterday, but apparently one of the reasons the hospital incident was so devastating was because the hospital was being used as a hamas munitions dump, and the stored munitions contributed to the damage.
And that, by the rules of war, makes it a legitimate military target.
Even though it was a legitimate target, I sincerely doubt that Israel targeted the facility. While I don't believe everything that Israel claims, I believe absolutely NOTHING that Hamas claims.
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While I don't believe everything that Israel claims, I believe absolutely NOTHING that Hamas claims.
If you look at the reporting there is a definite presumption of veracity from Hamas' claims and a presumption of falsehood to everything Israel claims.
I'm certain Israel will lie in service of propaganda, but the idea that Hamas is trustworthy has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've heard in a while.
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I can't remember where I read it yesterday, but apparently one of the reasons the hospital incident was so devastating was because the hospital was being used as a hamas munitions dump, and the stored munitions contributed to the damage.
It would be interesting to see proof of that. However, it fits with past actions. They have used ambulances and red cross vehicles to do attacks before. Once of the previous wars they complained that Israel hit a civilian building, then Israel put out video showing artillery or rockets firing from the top of it. (may have been Hezbollah)
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Some video here seems to show the hospital intact, and most of the damage confined to the hospital grounds, with only minimal building damage. Much of this was apparently Al Jazeera reporting, which kinda puts our conclusion-jumping MSM to shame.
https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2023/10/18/twitter-account-embarrasses-journalists-by-performing-actual-journalism-with-hospital-bombing-n2388679
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Free Palestine? No thanks! (The Israeli perspective you’ve probably never heard.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNf40sBcvKk
This appeared on my feed. Talks a bit (among other things) about the history of the area prior to 1947 and perhaps just after. Fits with what I have heard/read before. I am sure you could call it a biased source.
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Meanwhile at the NYT
And the picture isn't even of the hospital
https://twitter.com/JerylBier/status/1714619599017157072/photo/2
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8uNSAbXoAABhR0?format=jpg&name=medium)
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"You furnish the pictures, I'll provide the war!"
-William Randolph Hearst, 1897
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Some video here seems to show the hospital intact, and most of the damage confined to the hospital grounds, with only minimal building damage. Much of this was apparently Al Jazeera reporting, which kinda puts our conclusion-jumping MSM to shame.
https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2023/10/18/twitter-account-embarrasses-journalists-by-performing-actual-journalism-with-hospital-bombing-n2388679
Yep, the hospital is intact with only superficial damage.
Al Jazeera can often be, not always mind you, surprisingly neutral in their reporting.
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So... where did the "hundreds of dead" come from, then?
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So... where did the "hundreds of dead" come from, then?
The source should be your first clue, not that I trust Israeli sources 100%
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ABC
https://twitter.com/BigFish3000/status/1714650307609997612/photo/1
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8upXPrXkAAsbQX?format=jpg&name=large)
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More
If this wasn't doctored in some way they were firing rockets right over the hospital
Israeli TV station reveals new livestream footage claiming to be proof rocket fired from Gaza malfunctioned mid-air moments before devastating explosion at hospital that killed hundreds
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12645519/Israeli-TV-station-reveals-new-livestream-footage-claiming-proof-rocket-fired-Gaza-malfunctioned-mid-air-moments-devastating-explosion-hospital-killed-hundreds.html
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ABC
https://twitter.com/BigFish3000/status/1714650307609997612/photo/1
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8upXPrXkAAsbQX?format=jpg&name=large)
It seems to me that is that were true, we would be seeing images of many, many bodies in rubble.
I saw a lot of people wanting proof that Hamas terrorists did all the horrible stuff people claimed last week. Same question back the other way to Hamas in Gaza.
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Well what do we have here, an insurrection?
Pro-Palestinian protesters take over the Capitol: Demonstrators demanding a Gaza ceasefire sit down in Congress after tearful Squad member Rashida Tlaib repeated false claim that Israel bombed Gaza hospital
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12646451/Pro-Palestinian-protesters-Capitol.html
MSM: Nothing to see here
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Went to CNN and ABCNews.com and nothing.
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While I've become more skeptical over the years about Israeli claims about stuff, it never entered into my head to believe anything Palestine reports.
It's not a binary choice between the two of them ;/
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Buffalo Hat-Wearing Ilhan Omar Leads Pro-Hamas Protesters Storming Capitol
https://babylonbee.com/news/ilhan-omar-storms-capitol-in-buffalo-hat
New York Times Patiently Awaiting Zoom Call From Hamas To See What They Should Print Today
https://babylonbee.com/news/new-york-times-calls-hamas-to-ask-what-they-would-like-printed-on-front-page-tomorrow
Liberals Replace Star Of David On 'Coexist' Sticker With Hamas Paraglider
https://babylonbee.com/news/liberals-release-new-coexist-sticker-with-star-of-david-replaced-by-paraglider
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Not from the Babylon Bee, but it should be:
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/10/18/rep-rashida-tlaib-breaks-down-in-tears-over-that-hospital-israel-bombed-n2388701
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NPR article with a lot of photos. The hospital appears to be all intact.
https://www.npr.org/2023/10/18/1206795861/heres-the-available-evidence-of-what-happened-at-al-ahli-arab-hospital-in-gaza
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Biden: Hamas needs to learn to shoot straight.
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1714792830424539286
:facepalm:
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Apparently many of the Hamas weapons have been coming from North Korea:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/hamas-terrorists-likely-used-north-korean-weapons-during-brutal-attack-israel-evidence-shows
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Apparently many of the Hamas weapons have been coming from North Korea:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/hamas-terrorists-likely-used-north-korean-weapons-during-brutal-attack-israel-evidence-shows
Gee, there's a shock.
And I bet that the vast majority of them are via Iran.
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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
AHM A SKEERED!
"A Hezbollah official is warning that the Iranian-backed Lebanese militant group is "thousands of times stronger" than before, and that U.S., Israel and other "malicious Europeans" should be careful, reports say."
I do love me a target-rich environment...
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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
AHM A SKEERED!
"A Hezbollah official is warning that the Iranian-backed Lebanese militant group is "thousands of times stronger" than before, and that U.S., Israel and other "malicious Europeans" should be careful, reports say."
I do love me a target-rich environment...
;/ ;/
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Biden: Hamas needs to learn to shoot straight.
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1714792830424539286
:facepalm:
He's going to be sending another $100,000,000 in aid to Gaza . . . that's on top of the aid (I've read $500,000,000) in USAid that Biden resumed sending Gaza in 2021. Maybe they'll be able to buy or make better missile guidance systems with this influx of cash.
Traitor Joe is funding more than one terrorist state.
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He's going to be sending another $100,000,000 in aid to Gaza . . . that's on top of the aid (I've read $500,000,000) in USAid that Biden resumed sending Gaza in 2021. Maybe they'll be able to buy or make better missile guidance systems with this influx of cash.
Traitor Joe is funding more than one terrorist state.
Gaza got a ton of pipe for a potable water supply system. Plus all the money needed to put it in. Would have made Gaza mostly independent of Israel for water. They cot the pipe up and made rockets instead.
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4D Chess: Biden Offers The Palestinians $100 Million In Exchange For None Of The Hostages
https://babylonbee.com/news/4d-chess-biden-offers-the-palestinians-100-million-in-exchange-for-none-of-the-hostages
CNN Blames Fog Of War For Errant Reporting On Gaza Bombing, Russian Collusion, Jussie Smollett, Covington Catholic, Hunter’s Laptop, The Steele Dossier, Kyle Rittenhouse, Origins Of Covid (Continued In Article Please Click For More)
https://babylonbee.com/news/cnn-blames-fog-of-war-for-errant-reporting-on-gaza-bombing-russian-collusion-jussie-smollett-covington-catholic-hunters-laptop-the-steele-dossier-kyle-rittenhouse-origins-of-covid-contd
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Hooray! We have an understanding with Hamas that they promise to only use the $100 million for humanitarian aid! Brandon won again!
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/10/19/wh-deputy-natsec-adviser-explains-why-bidens-sure-100m-in-gaza-aid-wont-end-up-in-hamas-hands-n2388749
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Nice person
WOW: University of CA, Davis Prof Openly Threatens to Kill Jewish Journos and Their Kids (Screenshot)
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/10/19/university-of-ca-professor-openly-threatens-to-kill-jewish-journalists-and-their-kids-screenshot-n2388753
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F80I3kubUAAlfDc?format=jpg&name=medium)
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This popped up on Foxnews. Haven't examined it yet so don't shoot the messenger.
The U.S. Navy intercepted several missiles fired near the coast of Yemen on Wednesday, two U.S. told Fox News.
It was unclear what the missiles were targeting.
One official said the missile were fired from Iranian backed Houthi militants. Iran has provided the Houthi rebels with weapons amid a crippling war in Yemen.
Bring. Gen. Pat Ryder said during a press conference at the Pentagon on Thursday that the missiles were heading "potentially towards targets in Israel."
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/october-19-israel-hamas-war
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Okay, more detail on CNN
One of the officials said the missiles were fired by Iranian-backed Houthi militants, who are engaged in an ongoing conflict in Yemen. Approximately 2-3 missiles were intercepted, according to the second official.
Later Thursday Pentagon press secretary Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder confirmed that the USS Carney shot down three land attack missiles as well as several drones that were launched by Iran-backed Houthi forces in Yemen.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/19/politics/us-navy-intercept-missiles-yemen/index.html
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Going back to the ammo tangent, I just got my weekly email from SG Ammo. At the end of SEP, I ordered 1000 S&B 9mm for $240. Today's mailer had it at $290. I didn't look at other ammo, but expect everything has gone up. They continue to be at 5-10 days before orders ship, so demand must be there.
There's just a ton of youtube "get ready" videos coming out now, so I'm sure stuff like that is contributing.
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Now Newsom is going to Israel
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Whoops
The White House has been forced to delete a photo of President Joe Biden meeting U.S. special forces in Israel - which showed their faces and could have revealed their identities.
It was already known that a small group of U.S. special forces are in Israel advising on how to potentially rescue scores of hostages, including Americans, held by terror group Hamas in Gaza.
The image of Biden shaking hands with them during his visit to Israel on Wednesday was published on the official White House Instagram page for hours and garnered thousands of likes and comments.
It appeared to violate Department of Defense rules by revealing the men's faces, which are usually blurred in any officially released photographs.
White House apologizes for glaring national security blunder after publishing photo showing faces of US Special Forces as they met Joe Biden in Israel
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12651089/White-House-apologizes-publishing-photo-showing-faces-Special-Forces-met-Biden-Israel-glaring-national-security-blunder.html
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Now Newsom is going to Israel
I would get banned if I posted what I'm thinking.
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'We can't let terrorists like Hamas and Putin win': Biden delivers Oval Office address where he connects conflicts in Israel and Ukraine and asks Congress for $100B to fund war effort
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12651569/We-let-terrorists-like-Hamas-Putin-win-Biden-delivers-Oval-Office-address-connects-conflicts-Israel-Ukraine-asks-Congress-100B-fund-war-effort.html
Biden's funding request, reportedly $60 billion for Ukraine and $14 billion for Israel, comes at a moment when Congress is in chaos and there's an uptick in resistance on the right to keep dollars flowing to Ukraine.
I think they meant 40 for Israel instead of 14
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Well I'm sure the Speaker of the House will jump on that request first thing in the morning to push it through........Oh Wait.
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The speed at which the hospital story shifted from “war crime” to “nevermind” once it became clear that it was caused by internal rocket fire and not Israel, shows that these people don’t actually care about Palestinian lives. They just hate Jewish ones.
— Philip Klein (@philipaklein) October 19, 2023
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/10/19/philip-klein-marvels-at-the-speed-hospital-bombing-went-from-war-crime-to-never-mind-n2388762
Yep
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"400 congressional staffers anonymously sign a letter". How do you anonymously sign something? The definition of a signature is pretty much to identify you.
https://twitchy.com/chad-felix-greene/2023/10/19/over-400-capitol-hill-staffers-signed-a-letter-for-a-ceasefire-and-they-need-a-safe-space-stat-n2388773
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'We can't let terrorists like Hamas and Putin win': Biden delivers Oval Office address where he connects conflicts in Israel and Ukraine and asks Congress for $100B to fund war effort
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12651569/We-let-terrorists-like-Hamas-Putin-win-Biden-delivers-Oval-Office-address-connects-conflicts-Israel-Ukraine-asks-Congress-100B-fund-war-effort.html
I think they meant 40 for Israel instead of 14
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It was 10 for Isreal last I heard. The rest goes to Joes buddies so he can get his 10%.
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Mass murder, rape and torture on non-combatants.
"Cease fire!"
What planet do these tools live on?
I hope Israel kills every member of Hamas and supporter on Earth. But that is a pleasant fantasy.
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Comedian? :facepalm:
Comedian Sarah Silverman claims she was ‘stoned’ when she endorsed Israel move to shut off Gaza’s water, electricity https://t.co/qE9zKfgWQo pic.twitter.com/zeaznoX3je
— New York Post (@nypost) October 20, 2023
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/10/20/sarah-silverman-knew-shed-cave-claims-she-was-stoned-n2388788
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Mass murder, rape and torture on non-combatants.
"Cease fire!"
What planet do these tools live on?
I hope Israel kills every member of Hamas and supporter on Earth. But that is a pleasant fantasy.
Even with what has already happened, how can there be a cease fire when they are holding hostages (including children)?
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Even with what has already happened, how can there be a cease fire when they are holding hostages (including children)?
Yeah, but most of them are Jew hostages, so really not important. Now Palestinian Hamas supporters? OH MY GOD WHAT A CRIME THAT THEY ARE BEING KILLED! IT'S INHUMANE!
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Even with what has already happened, how can there be a cease fire when they are holding hostages (including children)?
They're being "Detained" according to the WaPo
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/10/20/bethany-mandel-wapo-detained-n2388775
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AG
@AGHamilton29
So 2 weeks a bunch of people on here shared a claim that Israel had destroyed the Orthodox Church of St. Porphyrius. It turned out that it was untouched.
Last night, the same propagandists from Tuesday’s hospital blast again said it was destroyed, left in ruin, and 40-150 dead.
Now we have pictures and the church is fine (aside from some debris and one wall). The target was a Hamas command center that they deliberately put near to the church. The new reported death toll is 2 and unclear if those are civilians or Hamas members.
A lot of the press was at least smarter than to jump in this the way they did Tuesday.
https://twitter.com/AGHamilton29/status/1715357865165062352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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:rofl: [popcorn]
🚨 Breaking: @elonmusk removed New York Times' verification badge, following a flood of false information it published on the Israel-Gaza war 👇 pic.twitter.com/qljbsNRhlN
— Dr. Eli David (@DrEliDavid) October 20, 2023
https://twitchy.com/coucy/2023/10/20/new-york-times-verification-badge-n2388786
Now to be fair they're not entirely sure it was Elon
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Orc Resistance Fighters Bravely March To Decolonize Helm's Deep
https://babylonbee.com/news/orc-resistance-fighters-arrive-at-minas-tirith-to-decolonize-Rohan
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Biden Announces He Has Secured Pinky Promise From Hamas Not To Use $100 Million For Terrorism
https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-announces-he-has-secured-pinky-promise-from-hamas-not-to-use-100-million-for-terrorism
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"the Jews control the McChicken's"!
In a sane world I would have said the below is fake but we're not living in a sane world are we?
Yes it's related to this thread
The video
https://twitter.com/aguybeinaguy/status/1715423579838329055?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Liberal White Woman Intensifies: Karen McKaren Has a Problem With McDonald's Wrappers (Watch)
https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2023/10/21/white-liberal-woman-intensifies-karen-mckaren-has-a-problem-with-mcdonalds-wrappers-n2388815
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Nice person
WOW: University of CA, Davis Prof Openly Threatens to Kill Jewish Journos and Their Kids (Screenshot)
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/10/19/university-of-ca-professor-openly-threatens-to-kill-jewish-journalists-and-their-kids-screenshot-n2388753
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F80I3kubUAAlfDc?format=jpg&name=medium)
She is now getting some unwanted (by her) attention
UC-Davis professor under investigation for 'revolting' post threatening the children of 'Zionist journalists'
https://www.foxnews.com/media/uc-davis-professor-investigation-revolting-post-threatening-children-zionist-journalists
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"the Jews control the McChicken's"!
Holy hell, that woman is insane.
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Word is potential attack on Gaza begins tonight/this weekend.
I also read internet is down in Gaza currently.
True or not? IDK
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It looks like the gun stores in Israel are getting slammed with customers.
https://youtu.be/SPnovdPsStI
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It looks like the gun stores in Israel are getting slammed with customers.
https://youtu.be/SPnovdPsStI
"Drastic times call for drastic measures."
So accepting responsibility for your own security and that of your family is now a "drastic measure"?
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Fun in NYC
Fury on the streets of NYC as thousands of anti-Israel protesters clash with cops after shutting down traffic and refusing to leave: NYPD officers are seen brawling with demonstrators waving Palestinian flags
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12658205/anti-Israel-protesters-clash-police-Brooklyn.html
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It looks like the gun stores in Israel are getting slammed with customers.
https://youtu.be/SPnovdPsStI
Sort of like California during the LA riots...
Only there, the woke, beautiful people lost their minds when they found out that California's waiting period laws applied to.... them.
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The ADL is decrying the white supremacist's protesting across the country ;/ :facepalm:
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The ADL is decrying the white supremacist's protesting across the country ;/ :facepalm:
I will never forget the fact that the ADL simultaneously had two articles on their webpage... one damning Trump's border wall, and the other defending Israel for shooting people climbing over its border wall. ;/
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Regardless of where you stand on this, except if you're an Ivy League college student I guess, WTF is wrong with people that this whole ripping down posters of the kidnap victims is a thing? If you were really all about peace and justice, you would at the very least be letting those particular posters be.
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/10/22/brooklyn-woman-couple-tearing-down-pics-of-kidnapped-americans-n2388853
The screaming woman is kinda out of control, but these poster removals have been going on all over the country.
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"the Jews control the McChicken's"!
Based on McDonald's franchises in my area of operation, the logical conclusion would be that the South American cartels control McDonald's. I think ALL of them in my AoO are owned and managed by people with Hispanic last names, and in most of them it's difficult to find any employee who speaks English at all fluently. And with the ordering kiosks, they no longer need to have people at the counter who speak English.
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Looks like some definitive proof is coming out about sick stuff Hamas did.
https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2023/10/22/dude-this-aint-it-my-mags-eric-levitz-discusses-the-semantics-of-decapitation-n2388873
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Looks like some definitive proof is coming out about sick stuff Hamas did.
https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2023/10/22/dude-this-aint-it-my-mags-eric-levitz-discusses-the-semantics-of-decapitation-n2388873
If KJP moves on we have her replacement.
Last night, I asserted that this report indicated that babies were beheaded. This was an overstatement. I should have said that the report established that babies were found headless, a fact that lends plausibility to claims of beheading, but which does not prove them.
— Eric Levitz (@EricLevitz) October 22, 2023
(The verb behead has multiple definitions, and is sometimes used to mean decapitate; the report indicates that Hamas did behead babies in that sense. But the term can also connote a form of execution using a knife, and we do not have confirmation of beheading in this sense)
— Eric Levitz (@EricLevitz) October 22, 2023
Don't think this guy got the memo
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0f/0e/97/0f0e97afe91552b1deb450548e051dd1.jpg)
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Live Map
https://israelpalestine.liveuamap.com/en/2023/23-october-hamas-israels-ground-entry-into-the-gaza-strip
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A counter protester drove his car into pro-Palestine protesters a couple hours ago and opened fire at young women and men demonstrators as they marched peacefully down the streets in Minneapolis pic.twitter.com/DWjea5nZyj
— Mnar Adley (@MnarMuh) October 23, 2023
About that
Before the drone footage, they tried to frame this as “old white man drives through a pro-Palestinian protest”
Turns out, a mob blocked off the highway, surrounded his car, chased him, and then tried attacking him.
Here is the full drone footage: pic.twitter.com/75dHls1ZvE
— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) October 23, 2023
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/10/23/ag-hamilton-mnar-adley-n2388883
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It looked like the cops were nowhere to be found during that incident. Not surprising in Minneapolis these days.
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About that
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/10/23/ag-hamilton-mnar-adley-n2388883
One of my biggest fears if I lived in a city like that would be doing what the old guy did - accidentally turning onto a street with a raging mob. It's easy to say "avoid it", but the way these things pop up, there's no way to know, unless you're a GenZer who's on the social media 23 hours a day. And those people are likely to be part of the mob.
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OMG!
AOC Still SHOCKED Netanyahu 'Banned Two U.S. Sitting Members of Congress From Coming to Israel'
Can you guess who?
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/10/23/aoc-shocked-netanyahu-banned-two-us-sitting-members-of-congress-from-coming-to-israel-n2388891
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One of my biggest fears if I lived in a city like that would be doing what the old guy did - accidentally turning onto a street with a raging mob. It's easy to say "avoid it", but the way these things pop up, there's no way to know, unless you're a GenZer who's on the social media 23 hours a day. And those people are likely to be part of the mob.
That's exactly what happened to us. Wife and I were heading to get groceries, and all of a sudden there's opposing parking lots full of mobs. Relatively luckily the streets were still open (Tampa PD closed them later) and we noped the *expletive deleted*ck out. I have good situational awareness, but I don't track every little marxist social media page in Tampa to see if they are planning *expletive deleted*it before going to Publix.
Mrs. Wife got caught in a BLM protest much the same way back in 2020. She went to get Chinese takeout, and when she came out the streets had been blocked off (again, TPD) because of the riot firing up a couple blocks down. SHe hadn't even passed it yet, or seen anything, but she was inside of the perimiter being set up. She talked a cop into letting her through the barricade to go home before the actual riot got going, but still.
That's part of the reason I'm building up a bag to keep in the car if I gotta abandon the vehicle and beat feet.
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Real World Personal Defense Lessons from Hamas’s Drugged-Up Terrorists
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/real-world-personal-defense-lessons-from-hamass-drugged-up-terrorists/
Not a lot of description of events in Israel, but talks about the drugs and what effects it has.
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About that
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/10/23/ag-hamilton-mnar-adley-n2388883
Hey man, it turns out it's the old man's fault. Stupid Jewish colonizer trying to colonize the street.
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/10/24/zach-metzger-plays-the-victim-n2388919
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Hey man, it turns out it's the old man's fault. Stupid Jewish colonizer trying to colonize the street.
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/10/24/zach-metzger-plays-the-victim-n2388919
This is my shocked face
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Some welcome news during the current tragedy.
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2023/10/24/israel-cancels-greta-thunberg-n2388926
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Some welcome news during the current tragedy.
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2023/10/24/israel-cancels-greta-thunberg-n2388926
Good for them ! :rofl:
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Some welcome news during the current tragedy.
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2023/10/24/israel-cancels-greta-thunberg-n2388926
I confess I had no idea until today that a blue octopus was considered antisemitic in some circles.
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I confess I had no idea until today that a blue octopus was considered antisemitic in some circles.
I suppose it's like the OK sign and other innocuous things. I'm beginning to believe that there's a secret group out there that just makes all this *expletive deleted*it up and then sits back and laughs their asses off as people of all political ideologies take it and run with it.
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This one seems to have at least a little historical basis:
https://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2020/04/a-short-history-of-jewishzionist.html
https://forward.com/culture/368207/meet-the-holocaust-survivor-who-lives-with-7-000-pieces-of-anti-semitic-pro/
https://www.alamy.de/ww2-nazi-cartoon-j-bull-image6067628.html <- That one's a twofer. Jews and Commies.
Of course the question is: Is the Octopus itself an anti-semitic symbol, or is it a catch-all symbol for whatever group you think is secretly controlling things? Because there's a ton of Octopus as bad, but not jewish propaganda out there as well.
https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=576236845&sxsrf=AM9HkKmWo3ZKeuZ_TOhIeqz9k-fd6oE4ag:1698187848614&q=octopus+as+propaganda&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiay-nb4o-CAxV4nWoFHXwnCcYQ0pQJegQICRAB&biw=1872&bih=924&dpr=1
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Who's the self-hating Jew hanging out with Grettle?
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Cthulhu is a symbol of the Jews? That's a new one to me.
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I have always supported Israel and I always will. I do not believe any particular present day Arab sect or group or tribe has any historic or legal right to any portion of historic Israeli lands. Those lands have changed hands many times over the centuries, controlled by many various peoples and or kingdoms with the Jews having the most consistent possession over that time. I also note that there is no place on Earth that has not changed hands or been conquered or ruled over by kings and emperors and people from other lands many times. I also note that other Arab/Muslim countries have done mostly nothing at best and rejection at worst of those who are now in Gaza and other disputed territory.
I support Israel doing everything in their power to wipe Hamas and other Arab terrorist organizations off the face of the earth. But...arbitrary bombing in Gaza is not solving their Hamas problem and is generating even more hatred among the Arab population who mostly teach their progeny to hate the Jews starting at a very young age.
I have no solution to the situation that could be construed to be humanitarian in any way.
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Col Douglas MacGregor Alleges US Special Forces Went into Gaza and “Were Shot to Pieces, Took Heavy Losses, I Understand”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/col-douglas-macgregor-alleges-us-special-forces-went/
who knows?
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/col-douglas-macgregor-alleges-us-special-forces-went/
who knows?
That may be true. *expletive deleted*it happens on the two way range. If it is, however, the Col (Ret) needs a brush up on his OPSEC training, preferably with the buttstock of a rifle. I'd be willing to help him out with that. The White House Instagram coordinator can join us.
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That may be true. *expletive deleted*it happens on the two way range. If it is, however, the Col (Ret) needs a brush up on his OPSEC training, preferably with the buttstock of a rifle. I'd be willing to help him out with that. The White House Instagram coordinator can join us.
The way information is used in warfare I doubt he went rogue with that interview. Or there are factions in fighting in the military and he was working some angle for one of the factions. IDK
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The way information is used in warfare I doubt he went rogue with that interview. Or there are factions in fighting in the military and he was working some angle for one of the factions. IDK
He's a retired officer and retired "Think Tank" flunky. Instead of retiring gracefully he's flailing for enough attention to keep up his cred as an inside source so he gets talking head gigs. There's no machinations there, just a *expletive deleted*che breaking OPSEC to further his own narcissistic desires.
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Larry Hogan, the former 2-term Republican Governor of Maryland (quite a feat in that ultra liberal hell) is pulling out of two Harvard fellowships, citing the dangerous antisemetic atmosphere on the campus.
"While these students have a right to free speech, they do not have a right to have hate speech go unchallenged by your institution," Hogan wrote. "Harvard's failure to immediately and forcefully denounce the anti-Semitic vitriol from these students is in my opinion a moral stain on the University."
https://local.newsbreak.com/maryland-state/3203677805545-harvard-takes-another-blow-over-israel-as-ex-maryland-governor-withdraws-from-a-pair-of-fellowships-citing-dangerous-antisemitism?s=dmg_local_email_bucket_19.web2_fromweb
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One of the more based comments to the article:
You misgender someone and you’re blacklisted. Rape a Jewish woman and behead her baby, and CNN will discuss how you provided her with AC.
She is so right. These people are whack. Misgendering is violence, but hey these Jews are practically getting a vacation at the Hilton - stop getting so upset about it with your microagressions!
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/10/25/cnn-takes-mostly-peaceful-kidnapping-angle-in-gaza-hostages-report-n2388962
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I suppose it's like the OK sign and other innocuous things. I'm beginning to believe that there's a secret group out there that just makes all this *expletive deleted*it up and then sits back and laughs their asses off as people of all political ideologies take it and run with it.
Yeah, you are absolutely, right, except the group making this stuff up is not secret, it is a bulletin board of evil autistic trolls called 4chan. They pick things like the OK sign and try and convince morons that it is racist, and they sit back and laugh. They also do stuff like troll the families of dead people with autopsy photos of their loved ones.
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It would be nice if the 70% of Jews that vote left would wake up and see their fellow leftist for what they are. I'm not optimistic about that.
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It would be nice if the 70% of Jews that vote left would wake up and see their fellow leftist for what they are. I'm not optimistic about that.
Never happen.
Back in the 1980s some Jewish group was clamoring for more gun control because Jews knew what it was like to suffer at the hands of a government run amok (Nazi Germany).
Some national pundit made the point that maybe, had Jews in Germany been armed, the Holocaust might not have happened, or might not have been nearly as bad.
The reaction from the Jewish group was as vitriolic as it was lacking in basic logic.
In other words... never gonna happen.
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It would be nice if the 70% of Jews that vote left would wake up and see their fellow leftist for what they are. I'm not optimistic about that.
There was an article 10 or years ago, iirc that addressed that subject. In a nutshell it stated because the Democrat party was more in alignment with core Jewish beliefs than Republican is why a majority of American Jews voted Democrat. American Jews are actually cool with bigger government, more open immigration/refugees/assylum seekers, homosexuality, and they tend to support minorities because they tend to be treated as such.
Now, I'm being wide and somewhat ambiguous and I know at least one of you will read that as absolute statement of all Jews and start pointing out examples of individual Jews who behave differently than the majority.
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This is my shocked face
'Squad' members vote against House resolution condemning Hamas attacks against Israel
6 of the 9 Democrats who voted against the House resolution to condemn Hamas's attacks against Israel were "Squad" members, with the remaining "Squad" members voting present.
H.R. 771, which was voted upon on Wednesday night, passed by a vote of 412-10 with six members voting present.
Reps. André Carson, D-Ind., Al Green, D-Texas, and Delia Ramirez, D-Ill. all voted against the resolution. Joining them were six "Squad" members: Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-NY., Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., Rashida Tlaib, D-Mich., Jamaal Bowman, D-N.Y., Summer Lee, D-Pa., and Cori Bush, D-Mo.
One Republican, Rep. Thomas Massie, R-Ky., voted against the measure over concerns it could escalate tensions, but still affirmed Israel's right to self defense.
Reps. Greg Casar, D-Texas, and Ayanna Pressley, D-Mass., the two other "Squad" members, voted present. Reps. Joaquin Castro, D-Texas, Nydia Velázquez, D-N.Y., Jesús "Chuy" Garcia, D-Ill., and Pramila Jayapal, D-Wash. joined them.
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/israel-conducts-airstrikes-in-west-bank-syria-overnight-kills-hamas-commander
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I'm wearing out my shocked face
Berkeley Professor Offers Students an Extra Five Points for Joining Student Walkout Over Gaza
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/10/25/berkeley-professor-offers-students-an-extra-five-points-for-joining-student-walkout-over-gaza-n2388995
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9PtX-pWMAAuAjn?format=jpg&name=large)
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Harvard has created a "task force" to protect the students who called for the death of Jews. Jewish Harvard students are on their own, I guess. Megyn is right - Harvard is a lost cause.
On the tangent - this is exactly what is destroying the generations coming into adulthood. These students SHOULD be facing unpleasant (but not violent) consequences for their ignorance. It's how people become not ignorant. By coddling them (the students are demanding that Harvard pay to fly them to Palestine, which, if it's a one-way ticket, I'm not opposed). Harvard is only helping them to become selfish, stupid, and worse human beings.
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/10/25/harvard-creates-task-force-for-students-doxxed-over-pro-hamas-statement-n2388996
EDIT: Correction - it's Stanford students that want the plane ride to Palestine.
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I remember after 9-11 Harvard/Berkeley types were calling on the US to apologizes and make amends for whatever it did to cause it.
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There was an article 10 or years ago, iirc that addressed that subject. In a nutshell it stated because the Democrat party was more in alignment with core Jewish beliefs than Republican is why a majority of American Jews voted Democrat. American Jews are actually cool with bigger government, more open immigration/refugees/assylum seekers, homosexuality, and they tend to support minorities because they tend to be treated as such.
Now, I'm being wide and somewhat ambiguous and I know at least one of you will read that as absolute statement of all Jews and start pointing out examples of individual Jews who behave differently than the majority.
The Israeli government is pretty socialistic. It makes sense they would align more with Democrats on a lot of issues. The Kibbutz’s are pretty close to communes. They can live and govern how they want.
I’m not really a fan of us funding either side. Or most of the other funding we send all over the world to in many cases what are basically enemies of the US. At least with Israel some of those monies are arms that we pay for, but equate back to American jobs building them. In a realpolitik stance at least Israel is also much more friend than enemy. I also understand many times that funding we send around the world is used to influence policies that we may want. I think a lot of it could be better used domestically or not taken from taxpayers to begin with.
As for Gaza, we should never be giving them money while Hamas is in charge if we should at all. The ‘Palestinians’ voted for Hamas, to a great extent my sympathy for anyone in Gaza is very slim.
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I just saw this on the teevee, so gave it a go. If you ask Bard, "What is Hamas?" you get:
I'm designed solely to process and generate text, so I'm unable to assist you with that.
Somehow it knows what Hezbollah and antifa are (and seems sympathetic to antifa).
It seems to play dumb with a bunch of Israel/Palestine questions.
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Colleges Graciously Offer Attics For Jewish Students To Hide In During Violent Rallies
https://babylonbee.com/news/colleges-get-to-work-installing-attics-for-jewish-students-to-hide-in-during-violent-rallies
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Colleges Graciously Offer Attics For Jewish Students To Hide In During Violent Rallies
https://babylonbee.com/news/colleges-get-to-work-installing-attics-for-jewish-students-to-hide-in-during-violent-rallies
Will they also provide notepads so the students can write diaries?
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Modern Israels first PM, David Ben-Gurion
Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance. So, it's simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army. Our whole policy is there. Otherwise the Arabs will wipe us out.
I really don't want the US to have any part of this but that ship has sailed.
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Will they also provide notepads so the students can write diaries?
No, but they'll give them nice yellow badges in the form of a six-point star they can sew onto their clothes . . .
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Oh joy:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-strikes-iran-linked-sites-in-syria-in-retaliation-for-attacks-on-us-troops/ar-AA1iV5SB
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Hamas says that hostages are being killed.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/hamas-approx-50-israeli-hostages-killed-in-gaza/ar-AA1iTeiX?cvid=e032280f9abb4d7d98732f2c81b7bd50&ei=43
I'd say that the only cease fire that's going to happen now is when there's nothing left in Gaza that will burn.
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Let the Israel get rid of Hamas. I wish them success, I don't think they need any of our meddling.
The USA doesn't need to be anywhere near this mess. Our intervention in the Middle East has a pretty terrible track record overall.
I guess Biden thinks more war will be good for his ratings.
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Let the Israel get rid of Hamas. I wish them success, I don't think they need any of our meddling.
. . .
And I doubt that any of their neighbors are actually TOO concerned about the Gazans - after all, NOBODY over there wants Gazans to resettle in THEIR country.
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And I doubt that any of their neighbors are actually TOO concerned about the Gazans - after all, NOBODY over there wants Gazans to resettle in THEIR country.
Kind of like liberal cites here and immigrants
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Not shocked in the least if true
Hamas terror base is hidden beneath Gaza's largest hospital, Israel alleges
https://www.foxnews.com/world/hamas-terror-base-hidden-beneath-gaza-largest-hospital-israel-alleges
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12681083/Israeli-warplanes-unleash-airstrikes-unprecedented-scale-Gaza-Hamas-claims-communications-internet-cut-IDF.html
Scotland's First Minister Humza Yousaf, whose parents-in-law are still trapped in Gaza, wrote today in a post to X, formerly Twitter:
'Gaza is under intense bombing. Telecommunications have been cut.
'We can't get through to our family who have been trapped in this war zone for almost 3 weeks.
'We can only pray they survive the night. How many more children have to die before the world says enough?'
I suspect my Scottish ancestors are spinning in their graves. I never expected to see the day when both England and Scotland would have Muslim prime ministers. To think that William Wallace gave up his life for ... this.
Where was this Scottish Palestinian when Hamas was killing Israeli children. Wasn't that time to say "enough"?
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Oh joy:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-strikes-iran-linked-sites-in-syria-in-retaliation-for-attacks-on-us-troops/ar-AA1iV5SB
I gather from this that we knew exactly where the Iran backed groups were a week ago and did nothing about it. Also, I would like to know more about whose oil we are guarding in Syria and why.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12681083/Israeli-warplanes-unleash-airstrikes-unprecedented-scale-Gaza-Hamas-claims-communications-internet-cut-IDF.html
I suspect my Scottish ancestors are spinning in their graves. I never expected to see the day when both England and Scotland would have Muslim prime ministers. To think that William Wallace gave up his life for ... this.
Where was this Scottish Palestinian when Hamas was killing Israeli children. Wasn't that time to say "enough"?
England's current Prime Minister, Rishi Sunak, is Hindu. I believe the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, is a Muslim.
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I gather from this that we knew exactly where the Iran backed groups were a week ago and did nothing about it. Also, I would like to know more about whose oil we are guarding in Syria and why.
I'm old enough to remember when a president ordered all troops out of Syria. Then was undermined in the press and everywhere else by generals and unelected officials until they got what they wanted.
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I don't support the Republicans anymore. They're just as nutz as the Dems.
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Hamas Leader Appointed Senior Fellow At Harvard University
https://babylonbee.com/news/hamas-leader-appointed-senior-fellow-at-harvard
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I'm old enough to remember when a president ordered all troops out of Syria. Then was undermined in the press and everywhere else by generals and unelected officials until they got what they wanted.
Funnily enough I was in CENTCOM for that. I too am old enough to remember trying to get all of our gear out of logistics hubs in Syria, and not being given enough time, destroying what we could and letting the enemy have the rest, then I remember watching on Predator feeds as our allies, that we had given our word to help, were pulled out of cars and shot on the side of the road before they could get to safety. Then I remember when POTUS officially changed his order a couple weeks later, sending folks back in to try and build trust and make allies, and a whole bunch of convoy's being blown up because no one trusted us.
Just another perspective.
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The president of Accuracy in Media — the right-wing group that drove 'doxxing trucks' to Ivy League schools to expose students who participated in Pro-Palestine activism - has had his home searched by a SWAT team on Friday morning.
Footage shows the dramatic moment heavily armed officers burst into campaigner Adam Guillette's North Florida home.
Guillette told the Post he was attending a wedding in Texas when local authorities called to inform him that officers had searched his home in the early hours of the morning.
He claimed authorities had received a false call claiming he was at the property and pointing a gun at his wife's head.
Man who deployed 'doxxing trucks' to homes of pro-Palestine Ivy League students had his home searched by SWAT team in early morning raid
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12682933/Man-deployed-doxxing-trucks-homes-pro-Palestine-Ivy-League-students-home-searched-SWAT-team-early-morning-raid.html
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Hamas Leader Appointed Senior Fellow At Harvard University
https://babylonbee.com/news/hamas-leader-appointed-senior-fellow-at-harvard
Yeah, another article that is more truth than parody.
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Yeah, another article that is more truth than parody.
Meant to put a Babylon Bee warning on that but forgot. :-[
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Man who deployed 'doxxing trucks' to homes of pro-Palestine Ivy League students had his home searched by SWAT team in early morning raid
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12682933/Man-deployed-doxxing-trucks-homes-pro-Palestine-Ivy-League-students-home-searched-SWAT-team-early-morning-raid.html
Anybody notice this from the article?
When there is no response one of the officer's gains access via the digital security lock.
That "security" lock doesn't appear to be very secure.
As for that "SWAT" team -- two out of the three nearly tripped over the package in front of the door. If they had gone in hot, they both would probably have been lying on the floor.
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Anybody notice this from the article?
That "security" lock doesn't appear to be very secure.
As for that "SWAT" team -- two out of the three nearly tripped over the package in front of the door. If they had gone in hot, they both would probably have been lying on the floor.
Like he knew the code
And yep. I would have thought they would have thought of moving them out of the way.
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Anybody notice this from the article?
That "security" lock doesn't appear to be very secure.
As for that "SWAT" team -- two out of the three nearly tripped over the package in front of the door. If they had gone in hot, they both would probably have been lying on the floor.
I'm more interested in this idiot, who has a perfectly good SBR, presumably loaded, and decides to let it hang on a sling and bounce around flagging his legs and feet so he can draw a pistol.
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I'm more interested in this idiot, who has a perfectly good SBR, presumably loaded, and decides to let it hang on a sling and bounce around flagging his legs and feet so he can draw a pistol.
Hard to tell if that is a SBR with the fisheye lens distorting the view but your point about why he went in with a handgun still stands. Or is that a taser?
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Anybody notice this from the article?
That "security" lock doesn't appear to be very secure.
As for that "SWAT" team -- two out of the three nearly tripped over the package in front of the door. If they had gone in hot, they both would probably have been lying on the floor.
All the money I have spent on locks, cameras and other security stuff over the years and now I find out all I have to do is leave a couple of Amazon boxes on the porch to give me plenty of warning that someone is coming and slowing them down, who knew. :facepalm:
bob
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Hard to tell if that is a SBR with the fisheye lens distorting the view but your point about why he went in with a handgun still stands. Or is that a taser?
I watched the video in full screen and I'd bet a mag of M855 those ARs are between 12.5" and 14.5", and closer to the 12.5" end based on the rails muzzle devices. THe handgunner has a Glock in his hand. Not only can you see the slide pretty clearly his holster is empty when he walks past the camera.
Combined with Amazon box hopscotch it does not paint the Sheriff's Deputies in the most profesional light.
I do wonder what would have happened if that guy, not being home, had had dogs in the house barking at the door. Would they have gone dynamic entry and capped Fido or faced with that level of fuckery if they might not have walked around looking in windows or something to try and confirm a crime.
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There sure are a lot of comments at that link wishing that the guy would have been home so the cops could kill him. People seem to think it's totally acceptable for the cops to be able to bypass the electronic lock as well.
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Huh. This was completely unexpected. Queers for Palestine are not wanted in Palestine. Apparently Islam does not like the gays. Who knew?
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/10/28/this-is-awkward-palestinian-scholar-has-a-message-for-queers-for-palestine-activists-in-the-west-n2389131
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There sure are a lot of comments at that link wishing that the guy would have been home so the cops could kill him. People seem to think it's totally acceptable for the cops to be able to bypass the electronic lock as well.
Do these lock have a backdoor into them like Liberty Safes?
bob
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Huh. This was completely unexpected. Queers for Palestine are not wanted in Palestine. Apparently Islam does not like the gays. Who knew?
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/10/28/this-is-awkward-palestinian-scholar-has-a-message-for-queers-for-palestine-activists-in-the-west-n2389131
Allahu Akbar airlines where gays fly for free
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The part about the electronic lock really jumped out at me as well. It makes you wonder just HOW MANY of these electronic gizmos are actually a way for "someone" to snoop on you.
Probably 'way more than most people think.
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The part about the electronic lock really jumped out at me as well. It makes you wonder just HOW MANY of these electronic gizmos are actually a way for "someone" to snoop on you.
Probably 'way more than most people think.
I assume all of them. I have several for the convenience they bring, but I place them and operate on the assumption the .gov can access them.
Although as a counterpoint: in this case the guy was way better off having that lock. LEO's opened the door, wandered around, left and locked the door behind them. Had he had an old scool deadbolt they would have smashed the door open, wandered around, left and left the door hanging open for thieves to see and a several thousand dollar repair bill that insurance won't cover.
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Somebody warned me many years ago that, if the work you do is electronic, it can be out-sourced. If it goes from your brain to you hands, you have better "job security".
Anything electronic can be hacked. :facepalm:
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I assume all of them. I have several for the convenience they bring, but I place them and operate on the assumption the .gov can access them.
Although as a counterpoint: in this case the guy was way better off having that lock. LEO's opened the door, wandered around, left and locked the door behind them. Had he had an old scool deadbolt they would have smashed the door open, wandered around, left and left the door hanging open for thieves to see and a several thousand dollar repair bill that insurance won't cover.
Wasn't there a C ourt case recently severely limiting the "qualified immunity" in respect to paying for damages incurred during a court-ordered search?
I believe the lawyer cited 5A's clause, "nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation," and convinced the Court that the damage was indeed a "taking for public use."
Terry, 230RN
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Yes, which is why insurance won't pay.
You just need to contact the county and get them to pay for your new door, a process I'm sure they have streamlined and made easy and cheap, and definitely won't require a lawsuit. [/sarcasm smiley]
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The part about the electronic lock really jumped out at me as well. It makes you wonder just HOW MANY of these electronic gizmos are actually a way for "someone" to snoop on you.
Probably 'way more than most people think.
The South Park/Apple episode from years ago. People don't read. IYKYK.
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"The South Park/Apple episode from years ago. People don't read. IYKYK. "
My brother and I watched that one and we sat there and we HOWLED.
Oh Stan! Cuttlefish! So sorry!
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The Gazan Health Ministry, run by, of course, Hamas, is now claiming that over 8,000 Gazans have died since Israel started military operations.
It's also claiming that most of those deaths are women and children.
Fortunately, the Biden administration isn't buying it.
"President Biden and the White House have repeatedly rejected the accuracy of Hamas' casualty statistics, with National Security Council spokesman John Kirby sparring with reporters on the topic last week.
"We all know that the Gaza Ministry of Health is just a front for Hamas, it's run by Hamas, a terrorist organization," Kirby responded. "I've said it myself up here, we can't take anything coming out of Hamas, including the so-called Ministry of Health, at face value."
From Fox News
I'd say... whatever Palestinian children have been killed in the fighting can meet up with the Israeli children Hamas slaughtered in the unprovoked attack that started this war.
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Erdogan threatens to declare war on Israel . . .
Turkey is now threatening to declare war on Israel in support of Hamas.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1829092/Erdogan-Turkey-Israel-war-Gaza
Read past the headline and get into the story and it doesn't sound like bombing raids on Tel Aviv by the Turkish Air Force are imminent, but it makes for an interesting scenario - another NATO member attacks a US ally, putting us potentially into a shooting war with Turkey. Could probably write a couple of books covering the implications here.
At the very least, China would push up their plans for Taiwan by several years.
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Iran is claiming the USA has 5000 troops engaged in the invasion. Take it with a grain of salt of course.
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The Gazan Health Ministry, run by, of course, Hamas, is now claiming that over 8,000 Gazans have died since Israel started military operations.
It's also claiming that most of those deaths are women and children.
Fortunately, the Biden administration isn't buying it.
"President Biden and the White House have repeatedly rejected the accuracy of Hamas' casualty statistics, with National Security Council spokesman John Kirby sparring with reporters on the topic last week.
"We all know that the Gaza Ministry of Health is just a front for Hamas, it's run by Hamas, a terrorist organization," Kirby responded. "I've said it myself up here, we can't take anything coming out of Hamas, including the so-called Ministry of Health, at face value."
From Fox News
I'd say... whatever Palestinian children have been killed in the fighting can meet up with the Israeli children Hamas slaughtered in the unprovoked attack that started this war.
It would not surprise me at all if Hamas are killing their own "innocent civilians" in order to boost the body count so as to gain international sympathy & support.
After all, they are all martyrs to the cause, right? They will be blessed by Allah.
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Iran is claiming the USA has 5000 troops engaged in the invasion. Take it with a grain of salt of course.
Yep, we pulled those troops out of our Ukraine contingent. ;/
I did see on the news this morning that Ergodan in Turkey is threatening to declare war on Israel. Considering that Turkey is a member of NATO, I wonder how that would work out?
There's been talk about expelling Turkey in the past, but that might actually make it happen. Especially if he were to start screaming that NATO must now back Turkey in its war against Israel.
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Yep, we pulled those troops out of our Ukraine contingent. ;/
I did see on the news this morning that Ergodan in Turkey is threatening to declare war on Israel. Considering that Turkey is a member of NATO, I wonder how that would work out?
There's been talk about expelling Turkey in the past, but that might actually make it happen. Especially if he were to start screaming that NATO must now back Turkey in its war against Israel.
Ergodan has a habit of running his mouth off in a similar manner to Trump
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Apparently today, 29OCT23, this is what Palestinians are doing in Gaza:
https://twitchy.com/chad-felix-greene/2023/10/29/there-goes-that-narrative-gazans-having-a-day-at-the-beach-challenges-genocide-headlines-n2389163
I haven't found anything as of yet to disprove it.
Interestingly, I saw similar photos emerge from Ukrainian resorts just a couple of weeks ago. (and I'm sure people were doing the same at Russian resorts).
The MSM likes to have people think wars are 24/7 bombing and shooting over every square foot of the countries involved.
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Apparently today, 29OCT23, this is what Palestinians are doing in Gaza:
https://twitchy.com/chad-felix-greene/2023/10/29/there-goes-that-narrative-gazans-having-a-day-at-the-beach-challenges-genocide-headlines-n2389163
I haven't found anything as of yet to disprove it.
Interestingly, I saw similar photos emerge from Ukrainian resorts just a couple of weeks ago. (and I'm sure people were doing the same at Russian resorts).
I can only assume the horse hanging out with the people at the beach is an Arabian.... you think?
bob
The MSM likes to have people think wars are 24/7 bombing and shooting over every square foot of the countries involved.
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I'm not sure but I think it was on Fox News Sunday this morning where the analyst they were interviewing said that Ergodan apparently envisions himself as the next ruler of the Ottoman Empire.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9piyDvbkAABS6o?format=png&name=small)
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Update on one of Hamas's guests
Kidnapped Shani Louk is dead, her family announces, after 'bone from the base of her skull' is found three weeks after she was abducted by Hamas terrorists and paraded on the back of a truck
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12687753/Kidnapped-Shani-Louk-dead-family-announces-three-weeks-abducted-Hamas-terrorists-Nova-festival-paraded-truck.html
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Oh, and from Cornell U
Jews enforced strict dietary customs. OMG! The horror!
Wonder if it occurred to these people that by their own definition they're illegal setters too.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12687095/Watch-Jews-jihad-coming-FBI-investigate-Cornell-University-messaging-board-vile-anti-Semitic-threats-against-students.html
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/30/13/77162049-12687095-image-a-13_1698670831019.jpg)
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If the Jewish House at Cornell stands on "stolen land", then what land does the rest of Cornell, like where the protestors are standing, stand on?
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If the Jewish House at Cornell stands on "stolen land", then what land does the rest of Cornell, like where the protestors are standing, stand on?
Righteous woke land.
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Meanwhile, in Russia, an antisemitic website called on Russians in a heavily Muslim area to go to the airport and "greet" Jews on an incoming flight from Israel.
Upwards 1,000 showed up and it basically turned into a riot to the point where the website was begging people to not resort to violence.
Right.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/pro-palestinian-rioters-storm-russian-airport-flood-runway-looking-israeli-flight-officials
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If the Jewish House at Cornell stands on "stolen land", then what land does the rest of Cornell, like where the protestors are standing, stand on?
That was my immediate reaction, as well.
Idjits.
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If the Jewish House at Cornell stands on "stolen land", then what land does the rest of Cornell, like where the protestors are standing, stand on?
At the beginning of this whole debacle someone asked these twitards screaming "sto,en land" that and their answer was that yes, all of the US was stolen, and if the Natives came to take it back they'd have to let themselves be killed, because the Natives had a right to the land the US is on.
There were quite a few young folks with this particular delusion.
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Now this is different
Mice
This is the terrifying moment a pro-Palestine activists empties a box full of mice into a McDonald's before walking off and shouting 'f*** Israel', as horrified diners fled the infested restaurant.
Not sure I would use the word terrifying but considering how I've seen grown people panic at the sight of one mouse well........
Diners waiting for meals in the branch at the Star City leisure complex in Birmingham as the mice - spray painted in the colours of the Palestinian flag - are sent scurrying across the floor.
McDonald's confirmed last night that a 'number of mice' were released into the restaurant and it insisted the branch, now reopened, was 'fully sanitised' after the rodents were removed.
The one-man protest is part of wider calls to boycott McDonald's - who have offered free meals to IDF soldiers - along with Starbucks and Disney, for allegedly favouring Israel during the ongoing conflict.
The clip, captioned 'enjoy your rat burgers', begins with a man holding onto fake number plates that read 'PAIISTN' and 'Free Palestine' as he arrived in his car.
Pro-Gaza activist hurls dozens of LIVE MICE painted in Palestinian flag colours into a Birmingham McDonald's leaving customers screaming - 'because the chain supports Israel'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12690999/pro-Palestine-activist-releases-rats-flag-colours-Birmingham-McDonalds.html
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Pro-Gaza activist hurls dozens of LIVE MICE painted in Palestinian flag colours into a Birmingham McDonald's leaving customers screaming - 'because the chain supports Israel'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12690999/pro-Palestine-activist-releases-rats-flag-colours-Birmingham-McDonalds.html
I'm pretty sure that should be the Babylon Bee, but then we're living in bizarro world.
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It's kinda sad regarding the rewriting of history to promote the woke philosophy. "The British never bombed civilian targets in WW2". This in response to a WW2 comparison used by Shapiro defending collateral damage by Israelis.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1719164630788976932
https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2023/10/31/does-hamas-have-immunity-ben-shapiro-in-heated-exchange-with-activist-at-oxford-university-n2389229
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It's kinda sad regarding the rewriting of history to promote the woke philosophy. "The British never bombed civilian targets in WW2". This in response to a WW2 comparison used by Shapiro defending collateral damage by Israelis.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1719164630788976932
https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2023/10/31/does-hamas-have-immunity-ben-shapiro-in-heated-exchange-with-activist-at-oxford-university-n2389229
(https://preview.redd.it/q2k3rpsje9p51.jpg?auto=webp&s=227fb14f762ca4f3284365b66f9c887d66314a10)
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It's kinda sad regarding the rewriting of history to promote the woke philosophy. "The British never bombed civilian targets in WW2". This in response to a WW2 comparison used by Shapiro defending collateral damage by Israelis.
Wow.
"Dehousing" was the euphemism the British used.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehousing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehousing)
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Wow.
"Dehousing" was the euphemism the British used.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehousing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehousing)
As a Kraut, while the nazis had to go, I grew up hearing perspectives from the other side, and what it was like to go through those bombings. And it's interesting that Hitler of all people, for a very long time, told the German military "no" when they wanted to retaliate in-kind. Just part of "the winners write the history", I guess.
https://barnesreview.org/who-started-the-bombing-of-civilians-in-wwii/
Also regarding history, this student is an example of what happens as "living history" dies. I have exactly two relatives still alive that lived through WW2. They were 3 and 5 at the time. We have no more eyewitnesses to things like the Dresden bombings, so it's easy to see how history can be re-written when everyone that lived it is dead. I mean, getting back to Israel, there are a growing number of college students arguing that the holocaust was "not that bad" or even fake.
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As a Kraut, while the nazis had to go, I grew up hearing perspectives from the other side, and what it was like to go through those bombings. And it's interesting that Hitler of all people, for a very long time, told the German military "no" when they wanted to retaliate in-kind. Just part of "the winners write the history", I guess.
https://barnesreview.org/who-started-the-bombing-of-civilians-in-wwii/
Also regarding history, this student is an example of what happens as "living history" dies. I have exactly two relatives still alive that lived through WW2. They were 3 and 5 at the time. We have no more eyewitnesses to things like the Dresden bombings, so it's easy to see how history can be re-written when everyone that lived it is dead. I mean, getting back to Israel, there are a growing number of college students arguing that the holocaust was "not that bad" or even fake.
The Germans were bombing cities from day one, just the fact the Allies were better at it doesn't change that.
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Meanwhile in DC
Protesters drenched in fake blood caused chaos in Congress on Tuesday by interrupting Antony Blinken's testimony on Israel to demand a ceasefire in Gaza and call for the U.S. to stop 'supporting genocide'.
Demonstrators called the Secretary of State a 'murderer' who has 'blood on his hands' during the tense start to the hearing on Middle East and Ukraine aid to the Senate Appropriations Committee.
His comments were cut off multiple times by members of the audience waving signs calling for an end to the 'siege' of Gaza.
Blinken and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin were forced to sit in silence as protesters chanted 'ceasefire now' and held up their hands covered in red paint.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12693421/Gaza-Israel-Antony-Blinken-ceasefire-blood-congress.html
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/31/14/77225063-12693421-image-a-1_1698762033487.jpg)
Protesters calling Antony Blinken a 'murderer' and demanding a ceasefire in Gaza derail hearing: Demonstrators are hauled out and put up hands covered in 'blood' in chaos in Congress
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12693421/Gaza-Israel-Antony-Blinken-ceasefire-blood-congress.html
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The Germans were bombing cities from day one, just the fact the Allies were better at it doesn't change that.
See the link. There is an argument to be made between the difference of bombing civilians and civilian collateral damage from bombings.
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I admit, the Left in the USA is behaving even worse than my already low expectations.
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See the link. There is an argument to be made between the difference of bombing civilians and civilian collateral damage from bombings.
Not an argument for this thread but he's spitting hairs between what constitutes tactical vs strategic necessity.
Don't get me wring, I fully believe the British and the US especially later in Japan went way overboard, if that's the right word, in targeting civilians and in many ways it constitutes war crimes and both Harris and LeMay would have been tried as war criminals had the war had gone the other way. That said the Germans opened the bombing of civilians can of worms in both WW-I and WW-II
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Why is attempting to break the enemy's morale suddenly not a valid strategic aim?
Especially in a "total" war like WWII, war is being waged by a whole country, with even "civilian" industry going to further the ability for the warfighters to succeed.
America's great success at shielding it's population from any discomfort at all from warfare is a big reason we're so willing to throw money, guns, and soldiers at every flare-up around the world. For the vast majority of Americans it costs nothing.
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Why is attempting to break the enemy's morale suddenly not a valid strategic aim?
Especially in a "total" war like WWII, war is being waged by a whole country, with even "civilian" industry going to further the ability for the warfighters to succeed.
America's great success at shielding it's population from any discomfort at all from warfare is a big reason we're so willing to throw money, guns, and soldiers at every flare-up around the world. For the vast majority of Americans it costs nothing.
For me, it's only the issue of saying it's valid for one side but not the other. I mean, you could argue that WW2 Germans got "the von Clausewitz treatment" with the British bombings, which von C argued (obviously no flying bombs then, but the idea of "shock and awe") was a valid strategy to actually lessen long-term casualties (much as was likely argued when the decision to drop the A bomb was made). There really are no good guys in war. You can say one side is better than the other, or one side is less bad, but there's often a myth that the US, for instance, is all Captain Americas and Alvin Yorks and apple pie. Or currently, Israel and Ukraine, even though we've seen links right here in the forum to Ukrainian (our "good guys") war crimes.
War is hell though, and your last sentence is important. US citizens/civilians have not had to face the horrors of war in a war zone since the Civil War. I grew up hearing the perspectives of civilians who did live in war zones, so it makes me a little less gung-ho about "kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out".
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War became "moralized," somehow, between the end of World War II and the Vietnam War.
Not sure how, not sure why.
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Call me a romantic or something but there is a point IMHO where it can be called going too far. Where that point is is like defining what art is, I know it when I see it.
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Why is attempting to break the enemy's morale suddenly not a valid strategic aim?
Are any and all actions justified if they can be defended as breaking the enemy's morale or reducing your enemy's warfighting potential? Are there any lines that should not be crossed?
Also, if you're going to argue in favor of facing the blunt realities of war then maybe it isn't the time to hide behind gentle euphemisms like "break the enemy's morale".
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I would argue that any democracy that declares war against another nation, the public of that democracy is fair game.
They put that government in power, and they are the means to alter the sentiment of that government.
It's certainly the case with Hamas in Gaza. If there are Hamas-originated terror attacks in the US, then it's fair game for US forces to attack Gaza civilian targets and attempt to sway their public to not attempt that again.
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I would argue that any democracy that declares war against another nation, the public of that democracy is fair game.
They put that government in power, and they are the means to alter the sentiment of that government.
Something of a moral dilemma in that since there's more than likely a sizeable chunk that didn't. Take the US for example, I didn't as well as nearly 50% of the pop vote for Biden.
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Something of a moral dilemma in that since there's more than likely a sizeable chunk that didn't. Take the US for example, I didn't as well as nearly 50% of the pop vote for Biden.
I'm really weird politically. No one in office supports or represents me. There are at least a few politicians that represent what you happen to believe in. Democracy just means that the mob plurality (not even the majority, just the biggest mob) gets their say, and I'm at the mercy of it. And so are you.
Doesn't make me immune from civilian international attacks.
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None is this really applies to the thread anyway as far as Israel is concern, they're targeting Hamas as much as possible, it's just that Hamas is dug among and and using civs as shields. Sucks for the civilians but there you have it, nothing can really be done about it if Hamas is to be eliminated.
Hamas did in fact target civilians and in many cases children as their primary target.
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While I don't always trust what Israel says I never trust anything Hamas says
More than 50 people are killed in Israeli strike on Gaza's Jabalia refugee camp, Hamas claims: 'Dozens of bodies' are recovered after site is reduced to giant crater as IDF forces hunt for hostages in the city and target tunnels
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12693827/More-50-killed-Israeli-strike-Gazas-Jabalia-refugee-camp-Palestinian-health-officials-claim.html
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See the link. There is an argument to be made between the difference of bombing civilians and civilian collateral damage from bombings.
There’s also an argument to be made for “total war” as it can overall duration and ultimate casualties.
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There’s also an argument to be made for “total war” as it can overall duration and ultimate casualties.
Which I mentioned in reply #452. =)
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Are any and all actions justified if they can be defended as breaking the enemy's morale or reducing your enemy's warfighting potential? Are there any lines that should not be crossed?
Also, if you're going to argue in favor of facing the blunt realities of war then maybe it isn't the time to hide behind gentle euphemisms like "break the enemy's morale".
Second question first: I wasn't using a euphemism, or at least not trying to. The strategic objective of the Allies area bombing in WWII* was to break the enemy's morale, so that enough civilians would put pressure on their government to stop the war, and force them to stop. Either through civil pressure or revolution if the public got mad enough. There was never the idea that we'd kill civilians for the sake of it, or destroy homes because we didn't like the architecture or something. The idea was to so demoralize Germany, and later Japan, that they sought to end the war. Didn't work in Germany, did in Japan. "Dehousing" is certainly a euphemism, but "Strategic bombing of the civilian population to break their morale" isn't, I think.
First question:
That's harder, I think. It kinda depends on the stakes of the war, which is hard to talk about as an American because we go to war for sport and profit. Congress likes to talk about "Existential Threats to Our Democracy" but we haven't really faced one since the fall of the USSR, and that one is debatable. The Taliban and Iraq could in no way, no how, actually have destroyed our country in the 2000's rhetoric aside.
So let's talk about Wars, with a capital W. WWII, the Khmer Rouge, Some of the African wars last century, Yugoslavia, the Cuban revolution, Vietnam (from the South's perspective), Third Punic war, if you want to be the bad guy, the Indian wars of the 19th century west. Those wars WERE existential threat to at least one side. Losing that war meant the end of you culture and identity, genocide, often enslavement, loss of homeland the whole shebang. Communists are especially bad. You lose a revolution with them and more often than not double digit percentages of your population are murdered.
So in the face of that, is there a line you don't cross? Somewhere you say "Nah, I won't. I'd rather die, see my wife and children raped and enslaved and my homeland destroyed."? No, you do whatever you can, and whatever you have to and you win, or you die, because there isn't another option.
That cold reality: that in a real war there isn't actually a line you won't cross, is the real impetus for the Conventions and Treaties of the 19th and 20th centuries. They try to provide an avenue for wars where the threat of losing the war isn't existential to the nations involved and so there can be red lines not to cross. Those efforts are marginally successful, at best, as WWII shows, and as we would have demonstrated had the Cold War gone Hot.
So take the current Israeli-Hamas conflict. Israel is willing to have a two state solution, but not one Palestine "From the River to the Sea". They perceive the cost of giving up that much land and resources as the end of Israel as a viable state and a prelude to a Jewish massacre. Hamas is unwilling to accept a two state solution and would like to take over the the governing of (at minimum) large portions of what is now Israel and the people there, and make a Arab-Muslim state. (Maybe Theocracy, maybe just state with strong Sharia Laws, depends on which Hamas leader you ask). Both sides see losing the overall conflict as an existential threat to their people and homeland. So they probably don't have a line they won't cross, and we should stop pretending they should. This is not that kind of conflict. The only thing both sides agree on is this overall conflict is a war of survival. They might, given enough pressure from outside forces, negotiate an end to this particular flare-up, but they will not end the conflict until one of them is not able to continue.
Personally, I think Hamas is the "bad" guy here. Their basis for this war is unjust, I feel, but clearly they disagree, and are going to go at it full steam. Israel should make decisions predicated on the knowledge that Hamas will continue this war until they fall and there is one united Palestine.
* The Allies also had bombing campaigns targeting military or industrial targets, but those aren't the ones we're discussing here.
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The idea was to so demoralize Germany, and later Japan, that they sought to end the war. Didn't work in Germany, did in Japan.
There was no public call to end the war in Japan, if anything the vast majority of the public was prepared to fight to the bitter end and was shocked at the decision despite the fire and nuke bombings.
Now it can be argued it did influence the Emperor's decision to end the war as continuing it could likely result in the extermination of the Japanese nation and people in his mind.
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Second question first: I wasn't using a euphemism, or at least not trying to.
Got it. "Break the enemy's morale" could mean a lot of things, but in retrospect and in context it is clear you weren't trying to be euphamistic.
WLJ already addressed it, but I don't think there is any evidence that strategic bombings worked to convince a civilian populace to sue for peace anywhere in WWII, and that includes after the nuclear bombings of Japan. Certainly the major strategic bombing campaigns impacted production, transportation, etc., but they never instigated a civilian populace to terminate the war. Yes, the faction of Japanese generals that was pushing to end the war was able to gain the upper hand after the nuclear bombings, but I don't think there was anything like a significant popular movement to end the war motivated by the various conventional and nuclear strategic bombings. Maybe we just needed to do a little more of it, though.
So let's talk about Wars, with a capital W. WWII, the Khmer Rouge, Some of the African wars last century, Yugoslavia, the Cuban revolution, Vietnam (from the South's perspective), Third Punic war, if you want to be the bad guy, the Indian wars of the 19th century west. Those wars WERE existential threat to at least one side. Losing that war meant the end of you culture and identity, genocide, often enslavement, loss of homeland the whole shebang. Communists are especially bad. You lose a revolution with them and more often than not double digit percentages of your population are murdered.
So in the face of that, is there a line you don't cross? Somewhere you say "Nah, I won't. I'd rather die, see my wife and children raped and enslaved and my homeland destroyed."? No, you do whatever you can, and whatever you have to and you win, or you die, because there isn't another option.
It's definitely not a theoretical issue - plenty of people have faced that kind of decision in the past. In other cases they just convinced themselves that they faced it to justify what they wanted to do anyway.
While resorting to whatever necessary to achieve goals certainly seems to have some reasonableness in an existential conflict, I'll admit to being soft, safe, and privileged enough to be uncomfortable with - for instance - raping babies to death to demoralize my enemy, or genociding people similar to my enemy to demoralize them. Maybe I could concoct a situation where I could head down that road and be able to justify it on the other side, but it's hard to imagine it.
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While resorting to whatever necessary to achieve goals certainly seems to have some reasonableness in an existential conflict, I'll admit to being soft, safe, and privileged enough to be uncomfortable with - for instance - raping babies to death to demoralize my enemy, or genociding people similar to my enemy to demoralize them. Maybe I could concoct a situation where I could head down that road and be able to justify it on the other side, but it's hard to imagine it.
I agree with you that it is hard to imagine those circumstances, and honestly I never even want to get close to them. We're pretty secure in this super power. There's probably a cultural component as well, as a lot of cultures and sub-cultures don't look on raping and youth in the same way that Western white folks do, and that may very well make their jump to atrocity a lower bar. There's also Conflict's ever present "othering" that humans seem to be really adept at.
Morality and spirituality really should start rearing their heads in people right around here, but it seems that in the crux those often fail too. It's pretty uncomfortable to really ask yourself if you are that much better than, for example, the the men of Reserve Police Bn 101 in Germany. (ref) (https://www.amazon.com/Ordinary-Men-Reserve-Battalion-Solution-ebook/dp/B01G1F0F84) I personally went through a stage around deployments 2 and 3 where it was really easy to hate Arabs, and not give a damn about them being killed. With introspection, I came out of that kind of generalized "*expletive deleted*ck them, they aren't us" attitude, but it's pretty easy to get into when *expletive deleted*it starts getting real. As a professional soldier with the US playing around with the whole "Near Peer" conflict paradigm it's a question I contemplate frequently, and not always comfortably.
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One of the reviews in Dogmush's link really hit the point:
They weren’t necessarily members of the vicious SS. Instead what distinguished them was that they were ordinary German men from working class backgrounds, mostly in their later 30s or older who found themselves transferred to Poland and were ordered to kill the Jews they rounded up to make Poland Jew Free. While some did refuse to follow these orders, which they were permitted to do without penalty or official reprisal, about 90% did willingly take part to varying degrees. Some did kill for a while and then later stopped. Some wouldn’t participate at first but later did take part. Some would kill adults but not children. Others were full-out killers who took fully indiscriminate part throughout.
That really drove home the point, of, to make a Firefly paraquote, "finding the real man".
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There was no public call to end the war in Japan, if anything the vast majority of the public was prepared to fight to the bitter end and was shocked at the decision despite the fire and nuke bombings.
Now it can be argued it did influence the Emperor's decision to end the war as continuing it could likely result in the extermination of the Japanese nation and people in his mind.
When it became known that the Emperor was going to address the Japanese and call for the end of the war, there were MULTIPLE coup plans in both Japan and Manchuria to 'take the Emperor into protective custody' and continue the war.
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On a completely different topic, and I hope dogmush can chime in, but what tactics are used to destroy deep tunnels in built-up civilian areas? I have been reading a lot about the extent and construction of the Hamas tunnels, and it seems like a tough nut to crack.
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When it became known that the Emperor was going to address the Japanese and call for the end of the war, there were MULTIPLE coup plans in both Japan and Manchuria to 'take the Emperor into protective custody' and continue the war.
Almost succeeded too. John Toland covers it petty good in his book The Rising Sun: The Decline and Fall of the Japanese Empire
Which reminds me, I need to order a new copy, mine grew legs at some point.
Darn good read that gets into the politics in Japan before and during the war.
https://www.amazon.com/Rising-Sun-Decline-Japanese-1936-1945/dp/0812968581
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On a completely different topic, and I hope dogmush can chime in, but what tactics are used to destroy deep tunnels in built-up civilian areas? I have been reading a lot about the extent and construction of the Hamas tunnels, and it seems like a tough nut to crack.
Looks like you can just shoot a missile at them:
https://twitchy.com/coucy/2023/10/31/hamas-tunnel-collapse-n2389242
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On a completely different topic, and I hope dogmush can chime in, but what tactics are used to destroy deep tunnels in built-up civilian areas? I have been reading a lot about the extent and construction of the Hamas tunnels, and it seems like a tough nut to crack.
I've read they are injected colored smoke, and bombing where it exits.
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^^^^
The Israeli (not so) secret super duper tunnel sealing method, the Sponge Bob Bomb. It actually looks like a viable alternative rather than crawling through miles of tunnels, seal em off and call it good. Maybe they will give some to the US so they can seal off the drug tunnels running under the border near San Diego.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12680935/SPONGE-bomb-Israel-disable-Hamas-tunnels-palestine-gaza.html
bob
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Yemen's Houthi rebels, who are backed by Iran, have entered the conflict, saying that they've launched drone and rocket attacks at Israeli targets.
Israel says they've intercepted and destroyed them all.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/israel-says-it-thwarted-aerial-attacks-by-yemen-s-houthis-near-red-sea/ar-AA1jbw7y
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And, in other news, a retiring UN official penned a letter calling for a "one state secular solution" that would include ALL of "historic" Palestine.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/outgoing-senior-un-official-calls-one-state-solution-slams-us-israel-chilling-words
Sure, because that would A) work really well, B) would remain a "democratic, secular state" in perpetuity.
Right...
Know what? In a showdown between the UN and Israel, I'm betting on Israel for the win.
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On a completely different topic, and I hope dogmush can chime in, but what tactics are used to destroy deep tunnels in built-up civilian areas? I have been reading a lot about the extent and construction of the Hamas tunnels, and it seems like a tough nut to crack.
You got a couple different choices, depending on your aims and security on the ground.
Pump smoke in to find the vents/entrances like they are doing. As mentioned Israel has that foamy superglue stuff for the entrances. One reason you kill power is to stop, and/or make super obvious the ventilation infrastructure so you can take that out. I have read that we provided Israel with at least some GBU-72/B (https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/42714/the-air-forces-new-5000-pound-bunker-buster-bomb-breaks-cover) for hitting deep targets. In Afghanistan the US made good use of thermobarics detonated at the entrance of caves to use up all the oxygen. Those are all kinda stand-off techniques using aircraft.
On the ground, engineers can find and blow the entrances if they are secure enough. If you find an entrance or vent shaft there are smaller fuel/air explosives you can drop in to kill people and collapse the tunnels. If they get really nast, once you turn off the ventalation, any heavier than air gas will do the job. Hell even truck exhaust pumped into the vent system will settle and fill up the tunnels.
There's probably other techniques as well. I'm not a Combat Engineer by trade, those are just the ones I've heard about the US having on hand. Going in Tunnel Rat style is the last resort.
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Cornell "safety officer":
https://twitchy.com/laura-w/2023/11/01/cornell-student-arrested-for-posting-violent-threats-towards-jewish-classmates-n2389270
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The posters are bait
SCOOP from the amazingly talented @taliaotg: Are posters of Israeli hostages creating awareness or baiting people into getting canceled for tearing them down? https://t.co/lZTDXBSCMS
— Claire Goforth (@claire_goforth) October 31, 2023
Lefty Journalists Fear Israeli Kidnap Posters Are Really Intended to Entrap Helpless Palestine Supporters
https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2023/10/31/claire-goforth-kidnapped-posters-asking-for-it-n2389268
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"there were complications"
:facepalm:
Ghazi Hamad, deputy foreign minister for Hamas, cynically told a broadcaster that the terrorists 'did not want to harm civilians' during their bloody rampage through southern Israel, which saw more than 1,400 Israelis murdered in cold blood.
He said the terror group had only done so due to 'complications on the ground' - a grim throwaway reference to the Nova festival massacre which saw scores of innocent young people gunned down, mutilated and kidnapped.
Hamas vows to repeat October 7 attacks and bring about the 'annihilation' of Israel while cynically saying it 'did not want to hurt civilians' as it slaughtered 1,400 people 'but there were complications on the ground'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12697293/Hamas-leader-dismisses-Gaza-civilian-deaths-necessary-price-blood-boasts-terror-group-demonstrated-Israel-beatable-changing-Middle-East.html
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Cornell "safety officer":
https://twitchy.com/laura-w/2023/11/01/cornell-student-arrested-for-posting-violent-threats-towards-jewish-classmates-n2389270
The 'Iron Law of Woke Projection' strikes again. Amazing how that one never fails.
Dai is a junior from Pittsford, New York, and he is charged with posting threats to kill or injure another using interstate communications, according to a joint announcement from the U.S. Attorney's office, FBI, New York State police and Cornell University Police. He is scheduled to appear in court today, Wednesday November 1st.
Today's hearing was probably just an arraignment and plea hearing. When it gets to trial, I'm sure his defense will be "I was only writing metaphorically."
Update: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12699549/patrick-dai-cornell-shackles-jail.html
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Babylon Bee putting the MSM to shame
'We May Never Know Exactly What Hamas Wants' Says Reporter In Front Of Hamas Holding 'Exterminate Jews From Existence' Banner
https://babylonbee.com/news/we-may-never-know-exactly-what-hamas-wants-says-reporter-in-front-of-hamas-holding-exterminate-jews-from-existence-banner
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Meanwhile
'Holy S**T! They Actually Hit Publish!' Salon Says MAGA/Christian Nationalism MORE Dangerous than Hamas
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/11/02/salon-christians-more-dangerous-than-hamas-could-ever-be-n2389325
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F98U1jyXIAASHE4?format=jpg&name=900x900)
https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1720116499493396665?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard: Helicopter Pilots Were Given Stand Down Order For Six Hours During Attack.
Nothing is as it seems in spy vs spy world. I wish the USA wasn't involved in any of this garbage over there. There is no compelling national interest in any of our foreign adventures going on currently. I won't even speculate as to what is really going on and will leave it at I don't know and if you think you have a handle on it you're sadly mistaken.
https://rumble.com/v3svwei-jonathan-pollard-helicopter-pilots-were-given-stand-down-order.html
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Like everything else take with a grain of salt.
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That seems to rule for everything except the official narrative.
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Maybe it has already and I missed it, but this should be mandatory for Congress to watch:
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/11/02/israeli-embassy-hosts-another-screening-of-hamas-atrocities-for-journalists-n2389337
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How many virgins do you get for putting a baby in the oven?
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Is Hamas capable of war crimes? Yes
Do governments provide lying propaganda to the media? Yes
Do I trust either side enough to endorse US troops involved? No
If an acquaintance is a liar they are eliminated from my life. I can't eliminate the lying media or lying governments but I don't have to believe them any longer let alone support their insanity.
There isn't a single honest player in this conflict. Let the principles duke it out amongst themselves on their own dime.
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This guy had a gun. Whether true or not it's inspirational.
https://twitter.com/osavir/status/1717819098850009547
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This guy had a gun. Whether true or not it's inspirational.
https://twitter.com/osavir/status/1717819098850009547
That there is a mensch.
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https://twitter.com/ABCWorldNews/status/1720621889427513560
Jewish-Americans are buying guns.
Apparently this surprises some people.
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What?
I thought the official Jewish position was that the surest way to be safe was to take guns from everyone so that only the government has guns. It worked so well in Europe in the 1900s...
About time Jews finally start waking up.
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https://twitter.com/ABCWorldNews/status/1720621889427513560
Jewish-Americans are buying guns.
Apparently this surprises some people.
gun shops from California to Texas to Florida
As long as they can wait for ten days in California...
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Meanwhile in DC
Huge pro-Palestine protest takes over DC as '100,000' march on White House accusing Biden of 'genocide' and claiming Israel is 'racist state' that 'doesn't have the right to exist': Demonstrator seen waving yellow flag of terrorist group Hezbollah
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12710855/Pro-Palestine-march-Washington-DC.html
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Meanwhile in DC
Huge pro-Palestine protest takes over DC as '100,000' march on White House accusing Biden of 'genocide' and claiming Israel is 'racist state' that 'doesn't have the right to exist': Demonstrator seen waving yellow flag of terrorist group Hezbollah
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12710855/Pro-Palestine-march-Washington-DC.html
Clair Wollf time is getting uncomfortably close.
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Tangential, but somewhat humorous. At a pro-palestine protest in London, Billboard Chris of Canada shows up with a sign stating gender transition is wrong. An obviously American antifa-wannabe starts verbally attacking him, and turns to the Muslim women at the protest for help. He doesn't get the help he expected. :rofl:
https://twitchy.com/aaronwalker/2023/11/05/watch-billboard-chris-brings-trolling-perfection-to-a-pro-hamass-rally-n2389417
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This crap continues much longer and I think I'm going to stick a .38 in the dog box of my car.
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This crap continues much longer and I think I'm going to stick a .38 in the dog box of my car.
If I lived in an urban area, I'd be upping my self-defense EDC/awareness for sure. These hamas, hezbollah, and whatever raghead fringe group threats have been getting more and more credible and specific to US soil. Not to mention having to worry about urine bottle being thrown at you by antifa nuts.
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Drove past another 200 or so people waving Palestinian flags again Yesterday. These protests here seem to have settled down into a predictable standing on the street corner waving flags and signs. No more shutting down roads, Jihad flags, or young men doing laps in pickups.
I'm keeping an eye on the local group's Social Media as the fighting escalates.
And adjusting my truck bag.
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Drove past another 200 or so people waving Palestinian flags again Yesterday. These protests here seem to have settled down into a predictable standing on the street corner waving flags and signs. No more shutting down roads, Jihad flags, or young men doing laps in pickups.
Sort of a tangent, but maybe some things are simmering down because they're not getting the "public support" they thought they would, similar to the tranny movement of the last couple of years.
People put up with or even supported the latter up until they started involving children and demanding people take a knee. Once they got out of hand with their demands, they lost the "moderates". The same with these guys. As more and more calls come out to kill the Jews, the typical suburban liberal that needs a cause is becoming uncomfortable.
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Sort of a tangent, but maybe some things are simmering down because they're not getting the "public support" they thought they would, similar to the tranny movement of the last couple of years.
Unfortunately that can have the effect of making the more radical members to want to up the game a bit. For the trannies going so far is out of the norm for them, for the Hamas supporters, and other such groups, among the protesters it would be just another day that in ends in Y. Hope not.
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This crap continues much longer and I think I'm going to stick a .38 in the dog box of my car.
If I was in an area were this stuff is occurring I would be looking at something a bit more potent and with a higher capacity than a 38.
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Sort of a tangent, but maybe some things are simmering down because they're not getting the "public support" they thought they would, similar to the tranny movement of the last couple of years.
People put up with or even supported the latter up until they started involving children and demanding people take a knee. Once they got out of hand with their demands, they lost the "moderates". The same with these guys. As more and more calls come out to kill the Jews, the typical suburban liberal that needs a cause is becoming uncomfortable.
I doubt it. The folks standing on the streets of Tampa in hijabs, bhurkas, and throbes are not super concerned about public support. I think the protests have settled into a more "steady state" here because 1.TPD and HCSO ain't going to put up with very much crap, 2. the optics of a riot don't play as well in the south as they do in some other places, and 3. The real radicals are waiting on the tanks to roll into Gaza before they fire up the energetic protests.
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Yeah, I should have differentiated the protestors from the public supporting them. My statement is probably more related to the cheerleaders who support a group rather than the group themselves. Just like moderate people, even gays, speaking out about trans pedophilia, that's more about the people supporting the group becoming uncomfortable with the radicalization of the group.
The radical trannys seem to be doubling down as people question them, and likely all the "from the river to the sea" people will also become even more radical even as their cheerleaders learn exactly what that phrase means and become uncomfortable with what they're supporting, which upsets the groups they support. The trans have their "trans day of vengeance", which we laugh at. Radical Islamists having a "Hamas day of vengeance" is something to take more seriously.
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I think - or at least I hope - that the anti-Israel protests have peaked. I notice that they haven't been joined by the dedicated anti-Semites (shall I Godwin this thread? Nah . . .) who have even less regard for the people in hijabs, burkhas, throbes, and keffiyehs than they do for Jews.
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A woman in Indianapolis intentionally crashed her car into a building with a Jewish symbol. Only turned out the building belonged to Black Hebrew Israelites, an antiSemitic hate group.
She managed to screw up her own hate crime. https://t.co/khPRq1bud7
— AG (@AGHamilton29) November 5, 2023
https://twitchy.com/laura-w/2023/11/05/woman-messes-up-her-own-hate-crime-n2389451
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When you're dealing with people who believe that they will wake up in heaven surrounded by 72 virgins after getting on a fully loaded school bus while wearing a bomb vest and carrying a gasoline can expect trouble. I mean we weren't expecting 9-11 were we? Now how many of those willing to go this far are in the US right now who knows?
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Drove past another 200 or so people waving Palestinian flags again Yesterday. These protests here seem to have settled down into a predictable standing on the street corner waving flags and signs. No more shutting down roads, Jihad flags, or young men doing laps in pickups.
I'm keeping an eye on the local group's Social Media as the fighting escalates.
And adjusting my truck bag.
Luckily none of that is happening here.
70 miles south? It probably is.
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Luckily none of that is happening here.
70 miles south? It probably is.
We had some protesters a few days ago downtown and they blocked one of the river bridges but after yelling and holding signs they went home. Haven't seen anything since other than small groups on some street corners holding signs.
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We had some protesters a few days ago downtown and they blocked one of the river bridges but after yelling and holding signs they went home. Haven't seen anything since other than small groups on some street corners holding signs.
https://youtu.be/z75DN5r_6H4?si=ZuTVoNt9CGfW0ki0
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If I was in an area were this stuff is occurring I would be looking at something a bit more potent and with a higher capacity than a 38.
I've got to be careful about what I carry in my car because of where I work.
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Wow, there's some Flat Earth level stuff in this
According to this guy there is no photo or video evidence of 10-7 happening and no one knows of any Israelis that had died, "besides other Israelis"
Oct 7/Holocaust Denying TOOL Doubles and TRIPLES Down on Anti-Semitic Posts, Whines About Community Notes
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/11/06/rife-holocaust-denial-n2389454
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Is anyone else enjoying watching some on the left attack Biden in much the same way they attacked Trump? [popcorn]
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If I was in an area were this stuff is occurring I would be looking at something a bit more potent and with a higher capacity than a 38.
Agreed.
But where is it NOT happening?
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But where is it NOT happening?
The yellow region:
(https://i.redd.it/epkzanj77bwz.png)
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The yellow region:
[img width=600]https://i.redd.it/epkzanj77bwz.pn
=D =D =D
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Hamas is now saying 10,000 have died and of course that number is being parroted by many in the MSM. Well it's coming from a reliable source right?
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Hamas is now saying 10,000 have died and of course that number is being parroted by many in the MSM. Well it's coming from a reliable source right?
I'm not saying Hamas' numbers are legit, but having seen pictures and video from Gaza it also it isn't hard to imagine a lot of people have been killed. Blowing up a crowded city tends to do that.
Of course, Hamas hides behinds human shields for a reason. They certainly don't mind a few dead Palestinians.
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I've got to be careful about what I carry in my car because of where I work.
I’m going to guess that Janicki has a rule against guns on the property, but likely doesn’t enforce it unless the person is a legit problem. Northrop almost certainly has a prohibition.
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Hamas is now saying 10,000 have died and of course that number is being parroted by many in the MSM. Well it's coming from a reliable source right?
Hamas would know, they shot most of them.
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Babylon Bee
I know it's getting harder and harder to tell sometimes.
Here's A List Of All The Pro-Palestine Protesters Who Are Being Prosecuted For Attempting To Storm The White House
https://babylonbee.com/news/heres-a-list-of-all-the-pro-palestine-protesters-who-are-being-prosecuted-for-attempting-to-storm-the-white-house
Biden Checks His Latest Poll Numbers To See If Israel Still Has Right To Defend Itself
https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-checks-latest-poll-numbers-to-see-if-israel-still-has-right-to-defend-itself
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Pride flag ‘did not last long’ at pro Palestine protest in London
https://youtube.com/shorts/-YFlJ89Yqq4?si=i_fXeISlJssizAhe
Imagine that
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Harvard Installs Jew Detectors At All Entrances
https://babylonbee.com/news/harvard-installs-jew-detectors-at-all-entrances
Babylon Bee BTW
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For Your Situational Awareness
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I'm not saying Hamas' numbers are legit, but having seen pictures and video from Gaza it also it isn't hard to imagine a lot of people have been killed. Blowing up a crowded city tends to do that.
Of course, Hamas hides behinds human shields for a reason. They certainly don't mind a few dead Palestinians.
Of course the number is made up. Otherwise, the number would have been 10,138 or 9873, not 10K even. Even if there were 10K dead people, I am doubtful Hamas followers have any organized system to find and account for all of them.
That said, Israeli bombing has been deliberate and they are often dropping small "door knocker" bombs ahead of the big stuff to allow evacuation. I am sure that is not always happening. I am also curious how many more Hamas rockets have fallen short.
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Wow
Greg Price
@greg_price11
Cori Bush just went on what is probably the most unhinged rant I've ever seen in Congress on the censure resolution of Rashida Tlaib.
She even refused to stop after the mic was cut off.
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1721992275004108987?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Croakford
@frahgerdly
Everyone say a prayer for this lady
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-XDT8lXEAA4dwc?format=jpg&name=240x240)
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Not related to this thread but this link to another Cori Bush video was in the twitter link above and again WOW
https://twitter.com/DogRightGirl/status/1719319408571474129
Durrr..
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Now that Hamas is asking for a ceasefire, their actions in all this reminds me of what happens to a bully when their victim turns on them and gains the upper hand. Being the coward that most bullies actually are, when the tables are turned against them, they "beg" for "peace". :facepalm:
So, my question is, should the Israelis slow down or even curtail their operations, possibly giving Hamas the chance to reposition and re-arm themselves, or do they finish the job? >:D
What would YOU choose to do? And why? [popcorn]
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Israel probably cannot "finish" the job. We'll have to send dogmush and friends over there.
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I think you listen to what they have tosay while continuing the offensive. If it seems like there's a chance Hamas will agree to an outcome that Israel is OK with and would allow them to stop active combat you go for it.
Off the top of my head, I'm sure Israel has a list of Hamas leadership. If they will provide the top 10 or 15 leaders for trial and execution, Israel might should call it good.
IME nothing cools the angst of the screaming beards like the odds that THEY might have to die for Allah. According to them Allah needs other young men to die, not the important men.
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For Your Situational Awareness
Glad I'm not at an NG site, but a supplier.
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I think you listen to what they have tosay while continuing the offensive. If it seems like there's a chance Hamas will agree to an outcome that Israel is OK with and would allow them to stop active combat you go for it.
Off the top of my head, I'm sure Israel has a list of Hamas leadership. If they will provide the top 10 or 15 leaders for trial and execution, Israel might should call it good.
IME nothing cools the angst of the screaming beards like the odds that THEY might have to die for Allah. According to them Allah needs other young men to die, not the important men.
Don't forget the 200+ Israeli hostages that Hamas took.
I'm A-OK with Israel creating a new fault line where Gaza currently stands. They just had 1400 citizens killed in a very dishonorable way, and 200+ more kidnapped. Israel is capable of doing it without US assistance.
Israel needs to (NEEDS TO) sate the need for vengeance for all those victims. The Arab world won't respect them if they don't, and their own wounded citizenry won't respect them if they don't. So first priority is avenging the dead and giving Gaza a lesson they hopefully don't forget, second is the hostages, third is brokering a peace that actually lasts.
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Don't forget the 200+ Israeli hostages that Hamas took.
I'm A-OK with Israel creating a new fault line where Gaza currently stands. They just had 1400 citizens killed in a very dishonorable way, and 200+ more kidnapped. Israel is capable of doing it without US assistance.
Israel needs to (NEEDS TO) sate the need for vengeance for all those victims. The Arab world won't respect them if they don't, and their own wounded citizenry won't respect them if they don't. So first priority is avenging the dead and giving Gaza a lesson they hopefully don't forget, second is the hostages, third is brokering a peace that actually lasts.
And one that doesn't involve the US or UN bribing people with money to accept. That never lasts.
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2020 had race riots
How about a shooting war with Iran for 2024?
The US has conducted airstrikes on two weapons facilities in Syria that are used by Iran's Revolutionary Guard.
The Pentagon confirmed two F-15 fighter jets were involved in the 'self-defense' mission as tensions are reaching boiling point in the Middle East.
The strike was confirmed hours after reports emerged that Iran-backed Houthi forces had shot down a US MQ-9 Reaper drone off the coast of Yemen.
US conducts airstrikes on Islamic Revolutionary Guard weapons depots in Syria
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12727493/US-conducts-airstrikes-Islamic-Revolutionary-Guard-weapons-depots-Syria.html
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Various loony Iranian clerics, military officers, and Quds Force members need to start dying mysterious deaths until Iran starts to behave.
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Various loony Iranian clerics, military officers, and Quds Force members need to start dying mysterious deaths until Iran starts to behave.
Doubt that would work. They'd likely just double down on the Death to America nuttery.
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Doubt that would work. They'd likely just double down on the Death to America nuttery.
Depends on the depth of their bench, and the tolerance for such assassinations among our government.
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Soleimani eating a Hellfire didn't exactly calm them down any.
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Soleimani eating a Hellfire didn't exactly calm them down any.
Calmed him down good.
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Also, if I had to guess, the IRGC would welcome with cheers and celebration the US legitimizing political assassinations as a tool to use against a country you are not at war with.
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Calmed him down good.
It took him awhile, but he was finally successful in quitting smoking, too.
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Depends on the depth of their bench, and the tolerance for such assassinations among our government.
Whenever one of their leaders gets whacked, another steps up to be a target before the first one's body has reached ambient temperature. This has gone on for enough years to prove the depth of their bench is not a factor.
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It took him awhile, but he was finally successful in quitting smoking, too.
He was hot about it at first but he's been cool ever since
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Meanwhile outside the Museum of Tolerance
Yeah, love that name.
Videos showed fights between protestors outside the Los Angeles Museum of Tolerance, where actress Gal Gadot organized a screening of footage of the brutal Hamas terror attack atrocities committed during the October 7 invasion of Israel.
The 47-minute footage, provided by the Israeli Defence forces, was aired to a select audience of celebrities and influential personalities in Los Angeles and New York last night.
About 200 people attended the screening, though Gadot was not in attendance, nor were any major Hollywood stars, according to the LA Times. That may have been due to the SAG-AFTRA strike, which only concluded yesterday.
People bearing Israeli flags fighting with pro-Palestinian protestors in the middle of the street can be seen in videos shared on social media, with people punching and kicking one another.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12728725/Shocking-moment-Gal-Gadots-screening-Hamas-terror-attack-film-ends-CHAOS-brawl-breaks-pro-Israel-pro-Palestinian-protestors.html
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Also, if I had to guess, the IRGC would welcome with cheers and celebration the US legitimizing political assassinations as a tool to use against a country you are not at war with.
Iran has already been attacking American bases with missles already. Iran arms and trains terrorists to murder Americans.
I'm just suggesting we do these sorts of things right back at them, and much harder... until they stop.
Here's an old story of how such things can work:
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-01-07-mn-13892-story.html
And another:
https://allthatsinteresting.com/los-pepes
And if doesn't work, at least it will be entertaining.
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He was hot about it at first but he's been cool ever since
Didn't they hit him with the ginzu blade bomb?
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Whenever one of their leaders gets whacked, another steps up to be a target before the first one's body has reached ambient temperature. This has gone on for enough years to prove the depth of their bench is not a factor.
Eventually you'd run out of competent replacements.
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Iran has already been attacking American bases with missles already. Iran arms and trains terrorists to murder Americans.
I'm just suggesting we do these sorts of things right back at them, and much harder... until they stop.
Iran did not directly attack US bases (actually Iraqi bases that had US troops, a real distinction in Iraq) until after we iced Soleimani. The strikes on Erbil were in direct response to that assassination.
Doing "These sorts of things back at them, and much harder" is literally the battle plan for the GWOT in Afghanistan. Just be aware of what you are asking for.
Here's an old story of how such things can work:
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-01-07-mn-13892-story.html
And if doesn't work, at least it will be entertaining.
On encouraging the US to use the KGB tactics and hoping for entertainment in killing and maiming Jihadis...The nicest response I can come up with is the IDF is taking volunteers. If you think it's fun, stack up. Gaza has plenty of doors to kick.
on a wider sense, we are not [yet] at war with Iran. Sure we are going at each other through proxies, as nation states are wont to do, but there's real advantages to the veneer of civility a proxy war gives both sides vs. open hostilities. We should not be so quick to give that up.
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My responses are in red.
Iran did not directly attack US bases (actually Iraqi bases that had US troops, a real distinction in Iraq) until after we iced Soleimani. The strikes on Erbil were in direct response to that assassination.
True... but Soleimani was killed because he had already been killing Americans.
Doing "These sorts of things back at them, and much harder" is literally the battle plan for the GWOT in Afghanistan. Just be aware of what you are asking for.
The USA invaded Afghanistan, and tried to set up a friendly government, which failed. I am talking targeting top-level aholes with death, and not occupying anything, conducting any major military operations or expecting cultural changes in garbage cultures.
On encouraging the US to use the KGB tactics and hoping for entertainment in killing and maiming Jihadis...The nicest response I can come up with is the IDF is taking volunteers. If you think it's fun, stack up. Gaza has plenty of doors to kick.
The IDF is doing major military operations in Gaza. That is not what I am advocating. Plus I am not a secret squirrel.
on a wider sense, we are not [yet] at war with Iran. Sure we are going at each other through proxies, as nation states are wont to do, but there's real advantages to the veneer of civility a proxy war gives both sides vs. open hostilities. We should not be so quick to give that up.
Oh, I'm not advocating open hostilities at all! Quite the contrary! A nutbag cleric's car blows up... who did it? Who knows? Maybe if Iran stops attacking us, top level dirtbags will stop being killed by unknown people.
Maybe I'm wrong, but what we have been doing in the GWOT (massive wars) appears to have worked poorly.
I would like to the people dying to be those making the murderous decisions, not infantry. Lawdog had a post about this some years ago, but I have been unable to locate it.
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Excluding our own politicians, the US has not been super successful at clandestine assassinations.
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Well, that is a good point for sure.
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Walk softly and carry a big stick is so passé.
Empires are rapacious.
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Excluding our own politicians, the US has not been super successful at clandestine assassinations.
Would you know it if we had been?
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Would you know it if we had been?
If we had been so many bad guys wouldn't die of old age.
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If we had been so many bad guys wouldn't die of old age.
Only if our definition of "bad guy" lined up with theirs.
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Tangentially related: pro-Palestinian protestors at Colt's Manufacturing plant:
https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/protesters-demonstrate-outside-colt-manufacturing-in-west-hartford/3144926/
Protesters blocked the entrance to the Colt Manufacturing building in West Hartford on Thursday morning as part of a nationwide demonstration.
People from several groups came together as a part of the nationwide call to action called "Shut it Down for Palestine."
They had signs that said, “Stop Arming Genocide” and “Shut it Down for Palestine" and dozens blocked four entrances to the company while workers were arriving Thursday morning.
Protesters across the country picketed at companies that they say profit from the war in the Middle East.
I note that they did not object to these same companies profiting from the war in Ukraine.
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I bet they didn't protest the Taliban funneling TONS of US weapons to Gaza once Uncle Dodders completely his terrified rush out of Afghanistan.
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Had no clue anything happened on Oct 7th
'I need to be more clued up': Students quizzed at pro-Palestine protest reveal how little they know about Israel-Hamas conflict - and aren't even aware that terror group launched bloody slaughter on October 7
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12729893/students-protest-palestinians-not-seen-proof-hamas-invasion-israel-october.html
From what I'm seeing in some YT videos they're not alone in that.
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Tangentially related: pro-Palestinian protestors at Colt's Manufacturing plant:
https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/protesters-demonstrate-outside-colt-manufacturing-in-west-hartford/3144926/
I note that they did not object to these same companies profiting from the war in Ukraine.
Someone should show them the video from Panama.
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I bet they didn't protest the Taliban funneling TONS of US weapons to Gaza once Uncle Dodders completely his terrified rush out of Afghanistan.
I'm not convinced, yet, that much if any of the gear we left in Afghanistan has made it's way to Gaza.
Much of the US style kit I'm seen in photos could have been captured Israeli kit and they did capture a bunch. A dead giveaway is if an M4 with what appears to be Meprolight optics it's more than likely Israeli. Tavors, Israeli. M4s with iron sights or optics like ACOGs and whatnot could be either.
Edit: Fixed a fat finger error
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Hezbollah sniper taking shots at IDF forces, supposedly on the lebanese-Israeli border. It doesn't work out well for him. Warning, this is a bit graphic.
https://twitter.com/HeartsForIsrael/status/1721376898100379674 (https://twitter.com/HeartsForIsrael/status/1721376898100379674)
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Hezbollah sniper taking shots at IDF forces, supposedly on the lebanese-Israeli border. It doesn't work out well for him. Warning, this is a bit graphic.
https://twitter.com/HeartsForIsrael/status/1721376898100379674 (https://twitter.com/HeartsForIsrael/status/1721376898100379674)
Is he even aiming?
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In the comments
"That must be the new Israeli Army FAFO rocket."
Something doesn't ring right with this though
One as I said above it appears he not even aiming
Two The zoom out was perfectly timed.
Three The cameraman didn't even flinch as if the camera was on a presetup tripod
Staged?
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Staged? Possibly. It does look a little odd.
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Staged? Possibly. It does look a little odd.
Or recorded from a greater distance and cropped with image stabilization software after the fact.
Honestly, if you were 100 yards away with my Insta360 and even if you jumped and flinched, it'd be about as stable as this image. That thing has insane image stabilization capabilities. Butter-smooth when riding a motorcycle offroad over some big rocks and ruts.
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I'm not convinced, yet, that much if any of the gear we left in Afghanistan has made it's way to Gaza.
Much of the US style kit I'm seen in photos could have been captured Israeli kit and they did capture a bunch. A dead giveaway is if an M4 with what appears to be optics it's more than likely Israeli. Tavors, Israeli. M4s with iron sights or optics like ACOGs and whatnot could be either.
Why do you say that?
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Why do you say that?
WTH. I must of fat fingered something and meprolight disappeared because I remember making sure I worded it that way.
That was suppose to say
A dead giveaway is if an M4 with what appears to be Meprolight optics it's more than likely Israeli
The Israeli's are a big user of Meoprolight optics Meprolight being Israeli and all
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Yeah, that makes more sense.
👍
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Hey man, it's not the fault of the "journalist" that he had a grenade on him!
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/11/09/wapo-columnist-explains-why-photojournalist-might-be-carrying-a-grenade-n2389622
For context, it appears that more than one "journalist" with some connection to CNN was with Hamas on 07OCT.
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College student who has been doxxing Jews is crying that she's being doxxed after she called a Jew a kike. She's now claiming that she never used that word, but instead only called the Jew (I use "the Jew" because I'm unsure if the victim is male or female) a "c*unt", because hey, that's no big deal.
I notice some people are saying that it's unclear what she said, but in the video I watched, I'm pretty sure I heard, and saw mouth movements for "kike" before I even read that it was the slur she used. Anyway, we are seriously paralleling brownshirt times right now. On the other hand, I'm kinda enjoying the company of the Jews, as I was getting a little lonely from when they were only doing this stuff to old American white men. Also, it seems this means we can start using derogatory names for other groups (besides like crackers and krauts and stuff) again, right ?
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/11/10/gad-saad-student-who-called-jewish-student-a-kke-n2389639
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College student who has been doxxing Jews is crying that she's being doxxed after she called a Jew a kike. She's now claiming that she never used that word, but instead only called the Jew (I use "the Jew" because I'm unsure if the victim is male or female) a "c*unt", because hey, that's no big deal.
I notice some people are saying that it's unclear what she said, but in the video I watched, I'm pretty sure I heard, and saw mouth movements for "kike" before I even read that it was the slur she used. Anyway, we are seriously paralleling brownshirt times right now. On the other hand, I'm kinda enjoying the company of the Jews, as I was getting a little lonely from when they were only doing this stuff to old American white men. Also, it seems this means we can start using derogatory names for other groups (besides like crackers and krauts and stuff) again, right ?
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/11/10/gad-saad-student-who-called-jewish-student-a-kke-n2389639
(https://preview.redd.it/are-we-the-baddies-v0-yl59bhfxrx8b1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=56bb91aa2ae575443df18294a1d44b1523a4080e)
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Masses of pro-Palestine protesters took to the streets of New York City and made their way to the New York Times building, criticizing their coverage of the war in Israel.
Ironic since it's been quite pro Palestine and mostly anti-Israel as far as I'm aware. But I guess you can't be pro-Palestine and/or anti-Israel enough for some people.
Earlier in the day, New York City high school students, parents and teachers participated in a walk out protest calling for a ceasefire.
Organized by groups such as Teachers Unite, NYC Educators for Palestine and Palestinian Youth Movement, the students walked out of class and gathered at Bryant Park.
Crowds chanted, 'From river to the sea, Palestine will be free,' a phrase used to call for a Palestinian takeover of the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, which includes Israel.
'We've called on people to walk out of work. We have called on people to walk out of their schools. Many people have responded to that call,' said Munir Marwan of the Palestinian Youth Movement to CBS New York.
Pro-Palestinian protesters storm the New York Times building, vandalizing the façade - as hundreds of high schoolers and teachers walk out of class in protest of Gaza bombings
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12732299/Pro-Palestinian-protesters-took-New-York-Times-building-hundreds-high-schoolers-teachers-walked-class-protest-Gaza-bombings.html
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Wow... NYC school students walking out to demand a ceasefire!
Israel will surely see the error of its ways now!
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They demand a ceasefire while chanting "From river to the sea" which would require the extermination of Israel
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College student who has been doxxing Jews is crying that she's being doxxed after she called a Jew a kike. She's now claiming that she never used that word, but instead only called the Jew (I use "the Jew" because I'm unsure if the victim is male or female) a "c*unt", because hey, that's no big deal.
Depends on which side of the pond.
I am unnecessarily annoyed by internet scribblings that go on and on about events happening at [common place-name], but never specify which [common place-name] it is. There are a lot of Concordias, so...
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Depends on which side of the pond.
I am unnecessarily annoyed by internet scribblings that go on and on about events happening at [common place-name], but never specify which [common place-name] it is. There are a lot of Concordias, so...
Canada, so still this side of the pond.
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Canada, so still this side of the pond.
Oh, OK. I would guess "c*nt" is about as offensive there as it is here. Then again, I wouldn't know.
Of course, I'm so ill-informed, I thought calling someone a "kike" just meant you don't like George Soros choosing your DA.
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https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/11/10/israel-prepares-for-possible-fentanyl-filled-rockets-from-hamas-hezbollah/
Israel Prepares for Possible Fentanyl-filled Rockets from Hamas, Hezbollah ...
I'm always amazed at the volume and weight of the fentanyl in big drug busts. It seemed like for such a powerful drug that the amounts being intercepted were extreme.
Fentanyl bombs coming to a US city near you!
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Israel has 1400 people murdered by Hamas in Gaza using guns and bombs, and goes to war.
The US has ~100,000 people killed every year by Fentanyl from Mexico - made with precursor chemicals from Communist China - and does nothing. Nothing. And many of these pills are made to look like candy, so they're deliberately targeting children too young to know better.
Convince me we DON'T have a Manchurian Candidate running the Oval Office. =(
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The enemy is running the empire. We're simply sheep slated for shearing or slaughter.
There may be pockets throughout flyover country that still feel like heritage America but that's only because the enemy is patient and hasn't finished mopping up yet. The enemy plays the loooong game.
We foolishly trusted in our guns and meanwhile the enemy has taken nearly all the institutions, economic, cultural, education and political, including the judiciary.
Our doom is in the numbers of deceived and the numbers of "Vichy Americans".
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Follow the money
In collaboration with @ISGAP1, our report highlighted by @bariweiss reveals US colleges failed to disclose $13B in foreign funding from 2015-2020.
Qatar is the largest single contributor.https://t.co/Mn4tkwXp8Y
— Network Contagion Research Institute (@ncri_io) November 7, 2023
Report: At Least 200 US Colleges Hid Info About $13 BILLION In Donations From Foreign Regimes
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2023/11/11/report-at-least-200-us-colleges-hid-info-about-13-billion-in-donations-from-foreign-regimes-n2389665
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Follow the money
Report: At Least 200 US Colleges Hid Info About $13 BILLION In Donations From Foreign Regimes
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2023/11/11/report-at-least-200-us-colleges-hid-info-about-13-billion-in-donations-from-foreign-regimes-n2389665
$10.83m per school per year on average. Give or take depending on the rounding in the headline figures.
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$10.83m per school per year on average. Give or take depending on the rounding in the headline figures.
13,000,000,000 / 200 = 65,000,000
That's a pretty good chunk of change for many colleges and I'm sure some got more than others, perhaps way more.
And this is just what they reportedly hid
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13,000,000,000 / 200 = 65,000,000
That's a pretty good chunk of change for many colleges and I'm sure some got more than others, perhaps way more.
Plus "consulting fees" or "research grants" or some such for the institution's leadership.
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Meanwhile in London [popcorn]
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1723663642590126160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Meanwhile in London [popcorn]
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1723663642590126160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Send in the Hooligans!
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Scottland needs to invade. Let the clans sort them out.
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The Babylon Bee
80 Years After Hitler Failed, Nazis Finally Seize London
https://babylonbee.com/news/80-years-after-hitler-failed-nazis-finally-seize-london
Now I'm not sure they had actual history in mind when they wrote that but there were Muslim Waffen-SS units.
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I didn't know whether or not to post this in the Panama shooting thread because it does fit in with it as well.
Protesters calling for a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas have blocked the escalators of a Chicago skyscraper that has an Israeli consulate on its 31st floor.
Scores of peace activists sat on the steps of the Accenture Tower's moving staircases Monday morning, blocking people from moving up them to go to work.
The protesters - reportedly numbering in the hundreds - were Jewish, and wore black shirts with the message Not In Our Name emblazoned. They all demanded an immediate ceasefire.
Chicago's Accenture Tower has escalators BLOCKED by Israel-Palestine protesters
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12743833/accenture-tower-chicago-israel-palestine.html
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They were probably ordered a year ago so bad timing.
Kmart pulls ‘MERRY HAM-MAS’ Christmas bags over concerns it may look like praise for terror group
https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/kmart-pulls-merry-ham-mas-christmas-bags-concerns-praise-terror-group
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Supposedly this is a real prank call
Dr. Eli David
@DrEliDavid
Hamas terrorist wants to get admitted to Harvard 🤣
This is a REAL prank call to Harvard
admission, done by @racheli82
https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1724090601463800001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Scottland needs to invade. Let the clans sort them out.
Nah, just reestablish Hadrian's Wall only use it to keep the hoard from coming North this time around.
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They were probably ordered a year ago so bad timing.
Kmart pulls ‘MERRY HAM-MAS’ Christmas bags over concerns it may look like praise for terror group
https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/kmart-pulls-merry-ham-mas-christmas-bags-concerns-praise-terror-group
Considering both sides supposedly don't like ham, it might be a bit amusing.
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Could very well be true but keep in mind there does seem to be a rather strong pro-Hamas contingent among state dept staff particularly among the useful idiots fresh from their college indoctrination there.
An internal State Department dissent memo that was reportedly leaked to the press accused President Biden of "spreading misinformation" about the Israel-Hamas war and claimed Israel is committing "war crimes."
Axios reported that it obtained what it called a "scathing" memo that was signed by 100 State Department and USAID employees that suggested Biden’s continued support of Israel has made him "complicit in genocide" as the Jewish state continues to retaliate after Hamas killed at least 1,400 civilians during the Oct. 7 terror attack.
"Some of the memo's language echoes that of progressive activists in the U.S., whose anger and protests over Biden's handling of the war have rippled through the Democratic Party — and created a new challenge for the president's 2024 campaign," Axios reported
Internal State Department memo accused Biden of 'misinformation' on Israel-Hamas war
https://www.foxnews.com/media/internal-state-department-memo-accused-biden-misinformation-israel-hamas-war
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Meanwhile in an Israeli shopping mall ...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-vyMcdWUAA6JLK?format=jpg&name=small)
(yes, I know they're probably off-duty IDF)
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According to Canadian Television, a Canadian citizen living in a Kibbutz on 07OCT has died. Coincidentally, there was a Hamas attack at the Kibbutz the day that she peacefully passed.
https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2023/11/14/journalism-achieved-ctv-news-reports-kidnapped-activist-murdered-by-hamas-has-died-n2389768
Winning comment at the link:
"President John F. Kennedy, who rode in a motorcade in Dallas, has died."
"President Abraham Lincoln, who enjoyed a play at the Ford Theater last night, has died."
"Daniel Pearl, who was visiting Pakistan, has died."
"Sharon Tate, who attended a California party, has died."
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According to Canadian Television, a Canadian citizen living in a Kibbutz on 07OCT has died. Coincidentally, there was a Hamas attack at the Kibbutz the day that she peacefully passed.
https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2023/11/14/journalism-achieved-ctv-news-reports-kidnapped-activist-murdered-by-hamas-has-died-n2389768
Winning comment at the link:
COVID was found in her system so obviously another victim of the virus
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COVID was found in her system so obviously another victim of the virus
Good one.
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Meanwhile in an Israeli shopping mall ...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-vyMcdWUAA6JLK?format=jpg&name=small)
(yes, I know they're probably off-duty IDF)
That is from the last Intifada but hopefully they are back to having most of the people armed again.
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Hamas Says All The AK-47s Found In Gaza Hospital Were Strictly For Medicinal Use
https://babylonbee.com/news/hamas-says-all-the-ak-47s-found-in-gaza-hospital-were-strictly-for-medicinal-use
BTW: Babylon Bee, Says something about what comes out of the media nowadays when it's actually hard to tell sometimes
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Andrew Solender
@AndrewSolender
Source passes along this photo of Sen. John Fetterman at the March for Israel with an Israeli flag draped around him:
https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1724516365086679259?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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^^^^^
The comments on that are an interesting read.
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^^^^^
The comments on that are an interesting read.
From one extreme to the other
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Looks like they screened hamas videos for Congress. I have to give props to people like AOC, and even Ted Lieu for attending it. I would have said that they should have forced Tlaib to attend and taped here eyelids open, but she would have probably had a public orgasm watching the footage.
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/11/14/house-members-get-a-screening-of-hamas-atrocities-n2389815
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Looks like they screened hamas videos for Congress. I have to give props to people like AOC, and even Ted Lieu for attending it. I would have said that they should have forced Tlaib to attend and taped here eyelids open, but she would have probably had a public orgasm watching the footage.
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/11/14/house-members-get-a-screening-of-hamas-atrocities-n2389815
Tlaib probably would have brought popcorn
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Tlaib probably would have brought popcorn.
[popcorn] No doubt about that ! :facepalm:
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Well I guess we deserved it because Osama said so ;/
The fact they're so willing to swallow this hook, line, and sinker is quite troubling but not entirly unexpected considering what our left wing indoctrination camps, AKA colleges, are pumping out.
A vile letter written by the warlord behind the 9/11 atrocities has gone viral on TikTok with users saying that reading it has led to them 'understanding' as to why the horrific attacks were carried out in 2001.
At the time of writing, videos with the hashtag 'LettertoAmerica' have been viewed 7.3 million times. Extraordinarily the majority are claiming support for the twisted reasoning Bin Laden lays out without a thought for the freedoms he criticises.
n response to the letter going viral, Florida Senator Marco Rubio mocked the TikTok users in a post on X.
'Now trending on social media (especially TikTok) people saying that after reading bin Laden’s ‘Letter to America,’ they now understand terrorism is a legitimate method of resistance against ‘oppression’ and America deserved to be attacked of 9/11,' the one-time presidential candidate wrote.
Terror warlord Osama Bin Laden's 2002 'Letter to America' explaining why he murdered 2977 people in 9/11 atrocity goes viral on TikTok 21 years later
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12756843/osama-bin-laden-letter-america-viral-tiktok-debate-israel-hamas-war.html
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Osama bin Laden's infamous 'Letter to America' after 9/11 promoted by TikTok influencers, goes viral
https://www.foxnews.com/media/osama-bin-ladens-infamous-letter-america-9-11-promoted-tiktok-influencers-goes-viral
Lets not forget who runs TikTok
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Osama bin Laden's infamous 'Letter to America' after 9/11 promoted by TikTok influencers, goes viral
https://www.foxnews.com/media/osama-bin-ladens-infamous-letter-america-9-11-promoted-tiktok-influencers-goes-viral
Lets not forget who runs TikTok
Communists, both American and Chinese, have repeatedly said they think Political Violence is a legitimate tool, and shown they will use it when they think they can get away with it.
When will folks start believing these kids mean what they say?
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When will folks start believing these kids mean what they say?
People have seen recorded evidence of it with antifa, and just look at the difference between the march for Israel and the Palestine violent protest at the Capitol over the last couple of days. They see it with their own eyes, but as long as they're not the ones being hit in the head with a bat, it's all good. Those [insert non-commie demographic] fascists had it coming!
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/11/16/congressman-thanks-capitol-police-for-keeping-dems-safe-from-their-own-supporters-n2389861
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People have seen recorded evidence of it with antifa, and just look at the difference between the march for Israel and the Palestine violent mostly peaceful protest at the Capitol over the last couple of days. They see it with their own eyes, but as long as they're not the ones being hit in the head with a bat, it's all good. Those [insert non-commie demographic] fascists had it coming!
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/11/16/congressman-thanks-capitol-police-for-keeping-dems-safe-from-their-own-supporters-n2389861
FIFY
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I guess they're be hunting them all down for years to come right?
Last night approximately 200 people gathered in front of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) headquarters to protest the conflict in the Middle East.
We have handled hundreds of peaceful protests, but last night’s group was not peaceful. The crowd failed to obey our lawful orders to move back from the DNC, where Members of Congress were in the building.
When the group moved dumpsters in front of the exits, pepper sprayed our officers and attempted to pick up the bike rack, our teams quickly introduced consequences – pulling people off the building, pushing them back, and clearing them from the area, so we could safely evacuate the Members and staff.
Six officers were treated for injuries, from minor cuts to being pepper sprayed to being punched.
24-year old Ruben Arthur Camacho of Woodbridge, NY, was arrested for Assault on a Police Officer after an officer witnessed Camacho slam another officer into a garage door and then punch the female officer in the face.
Last night our team was quick, decisive, courageous and in control.
When demonstrations cross the line into illegal activity it is our responsibility to maintain order and ensure people’s safety.
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/11/16/capitol-police-statement-on-capitol-mob-has-people-wondering-when-the-fbi-raids-begin-n2389867
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24-year old Ruben Arthur Camacho of Woodbridge, NY, was arrested for Assault on a Police Officer after an officer witnessed Camacho slam another officer into a garage door and then punch the female officer in the face.
That's an 18 year prison sentence right there.
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That's an 18 year prison sentence right there.
Not if the perp is a leftist.
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Pro-Hamas demonstrators versus the DNC... can they both lose?
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(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53323888677_9a53505629_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pf3SjZ)
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Osama Bin Laden 'Hope' Poster Spotted On College Campuses
https://babylonbee.com/news/osama-bin-laden-hope-poster-spotted-on-college-campuses
Edit: Babylon Bee BTW
But will be like a lot of their stuff reality by morning
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Yeah, apparently Bin Laden is the new Che. *expletive deleted*ing lunatics. I'm fascinated that there are homos and trannies in the below video, given what Bin Laden's letter says about them.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1724942399431217457
https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2023/11/16/show-this-to-tiktok-wokal-distance-breaks-down-entire-bin-laden-letter-to-america-n2389884
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I'll believe it when I see it
'Content promoting this letter clearly violates our rules on supporting any form of terrorism,' TikTokPolicy wrote in a post to X, formerly Twitter.
'We are proactively and aggressively removing this content and investigating how it got onto our platform.'
The video-sharing platform claims the number of videos on TikTok is 'small' and 'reports of it trending [on the] platform is inaccurate.'
TikTok will SCRUB videos of anti-Israel Gen-Zer's fawning over Bin Laden's vile 2002 'Letter to America' because it 'clearly violates our rules on supporting any form of terrorism'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12758925/TikTok-Israel-Bin-Laden-America-terrorism.html
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Update
California professor Loay Alnaji is arrested on involuntary manslaughter charge for death of Jewish protester Paul Kessler
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12758041/California-professor-Loay-Alnjaji-arrested-involuntary-manslaughter-charge-death-Jewish-protester-Paul-Kessler.html
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Update
California professor Loay Alnaji is arrested on involuntary manslaughter charge for death of Jewish protester Paul Kessler
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12758041/California-professor-Loay-Alnjaji-arrested-involuntary-manslaughter-charge-death-Jewish-protester-Paul-Kessler.html
Oh, I thought they were going to arrest the sidewalk, since he just fell down and all.
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Citizen Free Press
@CitizenFreePres
The Bay Bridge in San Francisco has been turned into a parking lot by anti-Israel protestors demanding a ceasefire in Gaza.
https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1725195900325130445?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Yeah....
https://twitter.com/BecketAdams/status/1725221028576571426?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Novelist Tweets That Blowing Up the Twin Towers was the Most Principled Thing Bin Laden Did
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/11/16/novelist-tweets-that-blowing-up-the-twin-towers-was-the-most-principled-thing-bin-laden-did-n2389887
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Oh, I thought they were going to arrest the sidewalk, since he just fell down and all.
Well, they should! It's despicable for a slab of concrete to hit a man when he's down.
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Oh, I thought they were going to arrest the sidewalk, since he just fell down and all.
WE NEED TO BAN ASSAULT SIDEWALKS!
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I've said it before, I'll say it again.
The west will lose the coming war with Radical Islam because it no longer has the balls to actually fight the kind of war that will be required.
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Hey, stop exaggerating you Jew lovers! The whole building was NOT surrounded, you liars. Only the access points in and out of the building were blocked.
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/11/16/journalist-says-the-dnc-building-wasnt-completely-surrounded-by-protesters-n2389891
We cannot hate liberal journalists enough.
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Nothing to see here
A pro-Palestinian group posted a picture of multiple locations around New York City it alleges are associated with the "genocide" in Gaza.
The group, Within Our Lifetime, posted the map which was later deleted, with a headline of "From Palestine to NYC. Globalize the Intifada," according to the New York Post. The map stated that the locations were considered zones "of direct action."
"Each of the sites on this map is tied to the ongoing genocide in Gaza and the settler-colonization of Palestine. They reflect a network of dispossession, policing, prisons, surveillance, counterinsurgency, war, destruction, imperialism and militarization across the globe, with the mass media complex which manufactures consent for genocide acting as tools of the oppressor. These sites are also multi-purpose assets for some of the system's most powerful perpetrators of violence. May this map serve as a call for every struggle to act in their own interest. As we do so, we uplift one another's struggles and free Palestine from the river to the sea," the map reads.
Among the locations on the map are NBC News Studios, Fox Corp., where Fox News and the New York Post are located, New York Times, Defense Logistics Agency, Meta, and more.
Pro-Palestinian group posts NYC map of locations 'tied' to 'Genocide' in Gaza: 'Globalize the Intifada'
https://www.foxnews.com/us/pro-palestinian-group-posts-nyc-map-locations-tied-genocide-gaza-globalize-intifada
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Someone pointed out to those calling for a cease fire that there was a cease fire, on Oct 6th
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I've said it before, I'll say it again.
The west will lose the coming war with Radical Islam because it no longer has the balls to actually fight the kind of war that will be required.
I believe I've said something similar on this board before. Western Civilization at times seems hell bent on capitulating to Islam and aiding in its own destruction.
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The Bin Laden Letter Is Being Weaponized by the Far-Right https://t.co/gXm0kefigP
— WIRED Gadget Lab (@gadgetlab) November 17, 2023
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/11/17/republicans-are-weaponizing-bin-laden-letter-n2389916
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The breadth and depth of the Islamic propaganda machine is nothing short of amazing. I have a friend (more of a friendly acquaintance -- he's my age, but the actual friend was his late mother) who is of mixed parentage -- his father was Unitarian and his mother was Jewish). I just received an e-mail from him. It wasn't sent to me -- it was an e-mail blast, sent to everyone on his author e-mail contact list.
He bemoans the "genocide" being carried out by the "evil" Israelis, but not a word about the brutal Hamas attack that started this latest dustup.
He's a nice guy, but I definitely can't talk politics with him. He and I are at opposite ends of the political spectrum.
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The breadth and depth of the Islamic propaganda machine is nothing short of amazing. I have a friend (more of a friendly acquaintance -- he's my age, but the actual friend was his late mother) who is of mixed parentage -- his father was Unitarian and his mother was Jewish). I just received an e-mail from him. It wasn't sent to me -- it was an e-mail blast, sent to everyone on his author e-mail contact list.
He bemoans the "genocide" being carried out by the "evil" Israelis, but not a word about the brutal Hamas attack that started this latest dustup.
He's a nice guy, but I definitely can't talk politics with him. He and I are at opposite ends of the political spectrum.
This touches close enough to a question I've had for the last month or more. Is your friend Jewish? Or does he identify as whatever his father was (I assume some European lineage)? For that matter, what race is his mother?
What race is a "Jew?" I see on the Wikipedia page that they divide themselves into 3 racial tribes... one based out of the Spanish Iberian peninsula, one based out of Central Europe, and one based out of the Arabian Peninsula. The social structure of Judaism in the world is collectively referred to as a Diaspora. It's awful hard to maintain a "race" as a diaspora. You're going to intermarry with outsiders. You're going to lose adherents. You're going to gain converts.
Every Jewish person I've ever met, from Arizona to Minnesota to Washington, has been white. Some Polish, some German, some English, some Russian... they vary a lot. It seems that once you convert to Judaism you are officially a Jew according to Israel, and are eligible for citizenship. For a religious group claiming to be the direct descendants of the various Tribes that followed Moses out of Egypt, they sure have a lot of European names and German/Caucasian/Anglo blood.
You look at pictures of Israeli citizens and they look like Europeans. Some of the men wear severe black/white clothing and have funny hats and curly hair, but it's a European under all that. They don't look like a Lebanese or Egyptian or Haothi or Bedhuin.
Someone posted something elsewhere (FB) that kind of resonated with me. That the entire nation of Israel is like a giant LARP for religious nuts. It makes at least superficial sense: say a few words, learn some secret language and handshakes and become a member of the Sacred "In" Club. I don't say this with a derogatory intent towards Judaism as a faith, I say it to demand a comparison of what exactly is a "Jew" versus a Scottsman, Irishman, Spaniard, Italian, or Pole? Take any of those ethnicities and have the person convert to Judaism and he's now a "Jew." When a person converts to Unitarianism or Catholicism or Buddhism he's not race-swapped or race-associated.
I've got no interest one way or another in the Israel/Palestine issue other than I'm nominally on the side of Israel due to them having a more Western and rational dogma behind their social structure. Not enough to want Americans over there to fight for Israel. My general synopsis of the situation is the League of Nations made an empty promise regarding the nation of Israel; the UN carried that empty promise forward with a lot of assumed guilt after WWII, but ultimately that "Israel" is about as silly a nation as Iraq and Turkey and Jordan and the rest; lines drawn by Europeans who are thousands of miles away from the people actually living there and that the lines don't reflect the reality of the cultures present. It's a mistake made 4 generations past that everyone needs to let go of and move on; Israel exists now and the way to "get rid of it" if the Palestinians really want to is to buy it back out from under the Israelis. The amount of money spent on terrorism so far by Palestinians and their supporters could have bought a significant chunk of Israel instead. And also advanced Gaza's humanitarian condition.
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There are quite a few non-white and non-European Jews in the world. One interesting source of information is the wiki on the History of the Jews in Africa. Some of those various tribes go back many hundreds of years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Africa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Africa)
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This touches close enough to a question I've had for the last month or more. Is your friend Jewish? Or does he identify as whatever his father was (I assume some European lineage)? For that matter, what race is his mother?
His parents were both white. Both were of European ancestry, but I don't know from what country or countries.
My friend does not identify as Jewish. He identifies as agnostic.
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I know two Ethiopian-heritage Jews who are practicing.
They are definitely NOT Caucasian.
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Due to First Amendment-related events, customers are encouraged to allow extra time to get to Washington Union Station to board their train.
— Amtrak Northeast (@AmtrakNECAlerts) November 17, 2023
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/11/18/amtrak-warns-of-delays-due-to-1st-amendment-related-events-the-new-fiery-but-mostly-peaceful-n2389930
Shouldn't that be Mostly First Amendment-related events
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https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/11/18/amtrak-warns-of-delays-due-to-1st-amendment-related-events-the-new-fiery-but-mostly-peaceful-n2389930
Shouldn't that be Mostly First Amendment-related events
Only if the events are mostly peaceful.
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Osama Bin Laden Given Honorary Posthumous Doctorate From Columbia
https://babylonbee.com/news/osama-bin-laden-given-honorary-posthumous-doctorate-from-columbia
I was debating with myself on whether or not to tell you that's from the Babylon Bee or let you find out on your own.
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This one too
10 Clues The Hospital You're At Is Actually A Hamas Base
https://babylonbee.com/news/8-ways-you-can-tell-if-the-hospital-youre-going-to-is-actually-a-hamas-base
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And another
'I'm On The Right Side Of History,' Thinks College Student In Front Of Dorm Posters Of Stalin, Hitler, Osama Bin Laden
https://babylonbee.com/news/im-on-the-right-side-of-history-thinks-college-student-in-front-of-dorm-posters-of-stalin-hitler-osama-bin-laden
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Not the Babylon Bee:
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/11/18/coffee-chain-in-jordan-introduces-a-new-holocaust-coffee-n2389957
Like many, I don't want to see the US get knotted up in this, but man, you can't help but root for the Israelis.
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I'm not convinced the Jews are running the USA and I'm not convinced the USA isn't running Israel, our land based aircraft carrier of the Middle East.
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Interesting analysis at PJ Media on the recent conflagration.
https://pjmedia.com/richard-fernandez/2023/11/16/belmont-club-the-amorite-iniquity-effect-n4923962
I will not be happy if the US gets flooded with Palestinian refugees.
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I will not be happy if the US gets flooded with Palestinian refugees.
Bet they'd be 90% military age age males.
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Current seismic technology readily available from the oil field will allow identification (and then destruction) of these tunnels. Wireless Seismic METIS (Multiphysics Exploration Technology Integrated System) uses a seismic recording channel collected by autonomous drones. These drones also drop DART (Downfall Air Receiver Technology) receivers, i.e., geophones. The DARTs are dropped by the drone and impale themselves into the ground creating a system of geophones to model the subsurface data. This system was thoroughly evaluated in Papua New Guinea in 2018.
https://realclearwire.com/articles/2023/11/16/a_seismic_victory_in_gaza_mapping_the_tunnels_of_the_gaza_metro_993093.html
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The twitter link was taken down but the article is still up.
BREAKING: Israeli police investigation reveals that Israeli military helicopters may have been responsible for killing Israelis at the music rave.
Also, Israeli intelligence assesses that Hamas did not know in advance about the Nova festival https://t.co/IGVwSMWYHU…
— Trita Parsi (@tparsi) November 18, 2023
It's getting slammed pretty good.
'Breaking': Investigation Shows Israeli Helicopters Killed Israelis at Music Festival
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/11/18/breaking-investigation-shows-israeli-helicopters-killed-israelis-at-music-festival-n2389962
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New fad, women including LGBTs converting to Islam
You want to tell them, not that they would listen anyway, or let them find out on their own?
Millennial and Gen-Z women say they've been inspired to convert to Islam by the Israel-Hamas war - and are sharing their religious awakenings on TikTok.
Recent converts say the conflict, which began with the murder of 1,200 Israelis on October 7, become a driving factor for their decision to join the Muslim faith.
Experts suggested for many, the choice is the 'ultimate rebellion against the West'.
Among those sharing their journey is a self-described 'leftist queer gremlin' named Alex, who recently purchased a copy of the Quran - even though most interpretations of Islam take a dim view of LGBT relationships.
Alex, who has begun covering her hair with a hijab in line with Islamic teachings on modesty, says she began attending pro-Palestine marches after the October 7 terror attacks and the retaliatory strikes on Gaza.
Millennials and Gen-Z women are sharing their conversion to Islam in wake of Israel-Hamas war, with 'leftist queer gremlin' from Boston among those TikToking her journey
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12766887/Millennials-Gen-Z-women-convert-ISLAM-Israel-Hamas.html
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Right after I posted the above I remembered your post
Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard: Helicopter Pilots Were Given Stand Down Order For Six Hours During Attack.
Nothing is as it seems in spy vs spy world. I wish the USA wasn't involved in any of this garbage over there. There is no compelling national interest in any of our foreign adventures going on currently. I won't even speculate as to what is really going on and will leave it at I don't know and if you think you have a handle on it you're sadly mistaken.
https://rumble.com/v3svwei-jonathan-pollard-helicopter-pilots-were-given-stand-down-order.html
Now we got people calming Israeli helicopters were the ones who killed most of music fest goers.
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His parents were both white. Both were of European ancestry, but I don't know from what country or countries.
My friend does not identify as Jewish. He identifies as agnostic.
DNA test would out him as Ashkenazi , if/when the caliphate or 4th Reich arrives - he will not survive.
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The kids are not alright, I work with "young" people ( thirty-ish and younger ) none of them pay any attention but their social media has them totally swallowing Hamas propaganda .
The two out of 100 marginally Jewish folks at work really are not keeping up with what's going on either.
I've been minimally outspoken about supporting Israel and I can tell their has been a shift in friendliness towards me .
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Anyone keeping up with Candace Owens/Ben Shapiro drama?
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More fun
Thousands are occupying California Democratic Convention in Sacramento, both floors of the building completely shut down. CEASEFIRE NOW @POTUS pic.twitter.com/Zrkmx8S5G7
— Ariel Koren (@ariel_koko) November 19, 2023
https://twitchy.com/chad-felix-greene/2023/11/19/even-california-democrats-cant-quell-the-pro-palestinian-mob-activists-take-over-ca-dem-convention-n2389977
https://twitter.com/ariel_koko/status/1726065103580401689?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Anyone keeping up with Candace Owens/Ben Shapiro drama?
I'm aware, but would have a hard time caring less.
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I have said it before and I will continue to say it. Israel needs to release to the public domain all of the uncensored video they have collected from Hamas sources and others of the Oct 7th armed invasion of Israel by Hamas. Maybe, just maybe a few of these people who are protesting as Pro-Palestinians will see what they are supporting. My 2 cents worth.
bob
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I have said it before and I will continue to say it. Israel needs to release to the public domain all of the uncensored video they have collected from Hamas sources and others of the Oct 7th armed invasion of Israel by Hamas. Maybe, just maybe a few of these people who are protesting as Pro-Palestinians will see what they are supporting. My 2 cents worth.
bob
100% agree. You don't have to support Israel to not support people who murder, rape, and torture.
But then these are the same people who are currently celebrating Bin Laden. We need that SMOD.
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Palestinian Authority Warns That Gaza Hospitals Running Dangerously Low On Ammunition
https://babylonbee.com/news/palestinian-authority-warns-that-gaza-hospitals-are-running-dangerously-low-on-ammunition
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Palestinian Authority Warns That Gaza Hospitals Running Dangerously Low On Ammunition
https://babylonbee.com/news/palestinian-authority-warns-that-gaza-hospitals-are-running-dangerously-low-on-ammunition
... for their "medicinal" Kalahsnikovs.
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Apparently Hamas's friend's AI image generator has a problem with hands.
I saw some of these images posted on news sites.
https://twitter.com/GadSaad/status/1720639668901867638?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
It Looks Like Hamas Sympathizers Still Need to Refine Their AI-Generated Photos
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/11/21/it-looks-like-hamas-sympathizers-still-need-to-refine-their-ai-generated-photos-n2390053
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With all that is going on, have we reached the point where the phrase "Shoot 'em all. Let God sort it out." is valid? [ar15] >:D
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100% agree. You don't have to support Israel to not support people who murder, rape, and torture.
But then these are the same people who are currently celebrating Bin Laden. We need that SMOD.
The enemy of your enemy is not your friend. He's just the enemy of your enemy.
Reaching back a couple of posts on the six-finger comments...
Maybe they're using all the extra fingers that came off of cartoon characters. I don't know the history of it, but most cartoons' figures have only four fingers:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/69/34/3f/69343f352ca35ec831fbbc6248928383.png)
Reaching back even more posts, circumcision is not a definitive indicator of Judaism. In New York City, by order of the board of health, almost all male babies were circumcised, Jewish or not. This, up until at least 01 Jan 1939. I have no physical evidence past that date.
Happy New Year, Terry.
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Tinfoil in place, but it's rather interesting that of all the "Jew businesses" they could have chosen, that they chose Elbit. Seems more like a terroristy target than an antijewy target.
https://twitchy.com/gordon-k/2023/11/21/iowahawk-mocks-hamas-groupies-n2390044
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Wonder when the first one of these idiots is going to pay the Second Amendment price?
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In the previous generations, the left wing lunatics worshipped Stalin, Mao and Ho Chi Mihn.
Now it is Hamas, and OBL.
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In the previous generations, the left wing lunatics worshipped Stalin, Mao and Ho Chi Mihn.
Now it is Hamas, and OBL.
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And Che
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Morons.
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Morons.
(https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/tw/images/up/2023/326/b6a57f0d-02c8-4039-b294-86eb04d634d9-1052x615.jpg)
Evil, though they're not mutually exclusive in this case.
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Morons.
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Some say being thrown off a building can be quite liberating
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Speaking of morons
Biden: “I cannot prove what I’m about to say,” but Hamas attacked Israel because I was very close to bringing peace to the region. pic.twitter.com/m8IfJvlivL
— Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) November 24, 2023
Everything is about him
Biden Knows the REAL Reason Hamas Attacked Israel But Can't Prove It (SERIOUSLY?)
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/11/25/biden-admits-hes-unable-to-prove-this-reason-hamas-attacked-israel-seriously-n2390138
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Hamas Awarded Nobel Peace Prize For Releasing A Few Of The Children They Kidnapped
https://babylonbee.com/news/hamas-awarded-nobel-peace-prize-for-releasing-a-few-of-the-children-they-kidnapped
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That's quite a list of companies you're suppose to boycott
Naila Ayad🇵🇸
@Naila_Ayad
The black list you must boycott.
https://twitter.com/Naila_Ayad/status/1729251964733763893?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Hamas Supporters Pushing HUGE List of Israel-Linked Companies to Boycott Goes SO Wrong and It's GLORIOUS
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/11/28/brands-hamas-supporters-want-blocked-n2390239
Oh god! Not Cheetos!
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And apparently there are people putting out lists of Jews and where they live
https://twitter.com/ChayaRaichik10/status/1729548442186178982?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Community of HATE --> Antisemites Leaving Flyers on Homes of Jewish People in Cori Bush's District (Pic)
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/11/28/cori-bush-district-antisemites-making-lists-of-jews-marking-with-a-star-of-david-n2390250
This could get ugly real fast.
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Taco Bell is Zionist? WTF? I didn't know Taco Bell offered kosher tacos and burritos.
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I guess it's not really funny, but I'm cracking up at all the social media and celebrity antisemites screaming at Musk for being an antisemite. Can't wait for the squad to pipe up.
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/11/28/joy-reid-elon-musk-antisemite-n2390256
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I guess it's not really funny, but I'm cracking up at all the social media and celebrity antisemites screaming at Musk for being an antisemite. Can't wait for the squad to pipe up.
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/11/28/joy-reid-elon-musk-antisemite-n2390256
Yep, ironic that the same people trying to smear Elon with the anti-Semite label are themselves anit-Semite
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Hmmmm
Tom Bevan
@TomBevanRCP
The first and only American hostage released by Hamas is the great-niece of a Biden appointee who also happens to be a buyer of Hunter Biden's art.
https://twitter.com/TomBevanRCP/status/1729813835303866728?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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To Encourage Biden To Rescue Hostages, Posters Will Now Feature Photos Of WNBA Players
https://babylonbee.com/news/israeli-hostage-posters-now-featuring-pictures-of-wnba-players-so-biden-will-rescue-them
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The amount of self righteous ignorance on display here is mind numbing
Yashar Ali 🐘
@yashar
Last night the Oakland City Council voted on a resolution to call for a ceasefire.
A city council member tried to insert language condemning Hamas.
This was the reaction…
Video https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1729630529199432095?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Watch: Leftists in Oakland Sure do Love Hamas, And They're Happy to Say it on Camera
https://twitchy.com/coucy/2023/11/29/oakland-city-council-n2390287
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^^^
I mean it's Berkeley's neighbor Oakland, but it's truly flabbergasting, the number of individuals that believe the IDF killed all the Israelis on 07OCT.
And I continue to be irritated by all these stupid city councils that pass resolutions for foreign governments to do what they demand. Us and Canada seem to be the only countries where this is so common. I'm willing to spend tax dollars to fly these numbskulls to the regions in question so they can really make a difference. I'm only springing for a one way ticket though.
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^^^
I mean it's Berkeley's neighbor Oakland, but it's truly flabbergasting, the number of individuals that believe the IDF killed all the Israelis on 07OCT.
And I continue to be irritated by all these stupid city councils that pass resolutions for foreign governments to do what they demand. Us and Canada seem to be the only countries where this is so common. I'm willing to spend tax dollars to fly these numbskulls to the regions in question so they can really make a difference. I'm only springing for a one way ticket though.
No return ticket needed since less than 10 seconds after they started lecturing the first Hamas fighter for using the wrong pronoun their throat would be slit
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Biden Airdrops Humanitarian Resupply Of Hostages Into Gaza
https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-airdrops-humanitarian-resupply-of-hostages-into-gaza
Babylon Bee BTW
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United Nations employee accused of holding Israeli citizen hostage in Gaza.
Absolutely shocked. This is my shocked face.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/exclusive-sen-blackburn-calls-investigation-allegation-un-agency-employee-detained-israeli-hostage
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IDF is about to start flooding tunnels. Apparently Egypt did this already back in 2015 to some success. I wonder if they did any monitoring regarding ground collapse after the 2015 attempt? I have no idea how the tunnels are constructed regarding any engineering standards.
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2023/12/05/idf-flood-gaza-tunnels-n2390494
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Well they wanted the River to the Sea and now they're going to get it.
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"IDF is about to start flooding tunnels."
With carbon monoxide?
Actually, they should flood them with hydrogen gas and then ignite it.
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Jewish Family Celebrates Hanukkah 2023 In Neighbor’s Attic
https://babylonbee.com/news/jewish-family-celebrates-hanukkah-2023-in-neighbors-attic
Babylon Bee BTW
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Well they wanted the River to the Sea and now they're going to get it.
[popcorn]
First images 'show Israel preparing to flood Hamas tunnels with sea water as troops set up pipes and pumps in Gaza'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12831871/First-images-Israel-preparing-flood-Hamas-tunnels-sea-water-troops-set-pipes-pumps-Gaza.html
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And now Bernie Sanders is attacking Chuck Schumer's proposed $110 billion aide package for "right-wing, extremist" Israel.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-sanders-schumers-aid-package-money-right-wing-extremist-israel
Not surprised at all to hear this crap from him. I AM surprised that he didn't throw in anything about the covetous jew...
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And now Bernie Sanders is attacking Chuck Schumer's proposed $110 billion aide package for "right-wing, extremist" Israel.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-sanders-schumers-aid-package-money-right-wing-extremist-israel
Not surprised at all to hear this crap from him. I AM surprised that he didn't throw in anything about the covetous jew...
Bernie vs Chuck
Let them fight
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First Amendment Activity seems to have become the favorite term for left wing and similar protests and riots lately
The LAPD is aware of possible first amendment activity in the Los Angeles area over the next few days. In coordination with the US Secret Service, additional uniformed personnel and other resources will be deployed to ensure the highest level of public safety.
— LAPD HQ (@LAPDHQ) December 8, 2023
https://twitchy.com/coucy/2023/12/08/lapd-first-amendment-activity-n2390643
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Some video of CQB between IDF and Hamas:
https://twitter.com/Mrgunsngear/status/1733208915679097295
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The rot runs deep at Harvard
650+ Harvard professors have signed a letter to the Harvard Corporation in support of President Claudine Gay. @Harvard is now in crisis.
The Harvard Board is now stuck between a rock & a hard place: if they fire Gay (also now accused of plagiarism) the faculty will be in revolt; if they keep her, the university will be saddled with a national disgrace.
The faculty letter is also proof that the firing of Gay will have no effect on the moral-intellectual culture @Harvard.
@Harvard is gone. It cannot be saved. Harvard has a $50 billion endowment. It should never again receive a penny of taxpayer money. #defundHarvard
More Than 650 Harvard Professors Sign Letter in Support of President Claudine Gay
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/12/11/more-than-650-harvard-professors-sign-letter-in-support-of-president-claudine-gay-n2390740
Edit: It get even worse
Harvard Board's Statement About Standing With Claudine Gay Is As Pathetically WOKE As You'd Expect (Pic)
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/12/12/harvard-board-statement-n2390751
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Rename Harvard Hoggvard
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Be interesting to see how some will see this
Turkish lawmaker collapses in parliament 'moments after saying Israel would suffer the wrath of Allah'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12855397/Turkish-lawmaker-collapses-parliament-moments-saying-Israel-suffer-wrath-Allah.html
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Be interesting how some see this
Turkish lawmaker collapses in parliament 'moments after saying Israel would suffer the wrath of Allah'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12855397/Turkish-lawmaker-collapses-parliament-moments-saying-Israel-suffer-wrath-Allah.html
Insha'Allah
[Edit to add]
https://www.learnreligions.com/islamic-phrases-inshaallah-2004286
The Quran reminds believers that nothing happens except by God's will, . . .
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I laughed. Hard.
Does that make me evil?
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I had a sensible chuckle myself.
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I laughed. Hard.
Does that make me evil?
Irony can be ironic sometimes.
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Allah has spoken
Turkish lawmaker dies two days after collapsing while giving a speech saying Israel would 'suffer the wrath of Allah' for invading Gaza
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12863493/Turkish-lawmaker-dies-two-days-collapsing-giving-speech-saying-Israel-suffer-wrath-Allah-invading-Gaza.html
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OK, I laughed again. I guess I am an evil person.
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More Karma
After the Israelis announced they were going to flood the tunnels Allah does it for them
Just when things seemed at their worst in Gaza: Palestinian man carries a body bag through waist-deep water as FLOODS wreak havoc across bomb-ravaged territory
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12863367/Just-things-worst-Gaza-Palestinian-man-carries-body-bag-waist-deep-water-FLOODS-wreak-havoc-bomb-ravaged-territory.html
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More Karma
After the Israelis announced they were going to flood the tunnels Allah does it for them
Odd how horrible things tend to happen to people who persecute the Jews... sooner or later.
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More Karma
After the Israelis announced they were going to flood the tunnels Allah does it for them
Just when things seemed at their worst in Gaza: Palestinian man carries a body bag through waist-deep water as FLOODS wreak havoc across bomb-ravaged territory
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12863367/Just-things-worst-Gaza-Palestinian-man-carries-body-bag-waist-deep-water-FLOODS-wreak-havoc-bomb-ravaged-territory.html
Why am I skeptical the child was really "killed in an Israeli airstrike"? That's mighty convenient for the ol' narrative.
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Our "education" system at work
Some 20% of respondents aged 18-29 think that the Holocaust is a myth, compared with 8% of those aged 30-44 (see chart). An additional 30% of young Americans said they do not know whether the Holocaust is a myth. Many respondents espouse the canard that Jews wield too much power in America: young people are nearly five times more likely to think this than are those aged 65 and older (28% versus 6%).
In the new Harvard/Harris poll, 67% of respondents aged 18-24 agree that "Jews as a class are oppressors and should be treated as oppressors."
Consistent with other polls that have found relatively high anti-Jewish sentiment among young American adults. https://t.co/0BcG0Y1xlu pic.twitter.com/BZR67JydYh
— Will Saletan (wsaletan on Threads) (@saletan) December 16, 2023
It's a good thing that the Biden administration just announced the country's first-ever National Strategy to Counter Islamophobia.
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/12/16/poll-shows-that-most-young-people-agree-jews-as-a-class-are-oppressors-n2390896
I fear dark times are a coming
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I fear dark times are a coming
It really is frighteningly like pre-WW2 Germany, with brownshirts, and our schools and universities becoming our version of Hitler Youth indoctrination centers. Only here they are targeting more than Jews. It's amazing how often on reddit, for instance, you see rage about the "transgender genocide" (ironic when related to "the holocaust was fake") and calls to "Kill all Republicans!".
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So a couple of things:
1) I saw that the IDF accidently killed three of the hostages that were held by hamas. I'm unclear about the circumstances, other than it is being said they were waving a white flag, but shot anyway. I'm wondering how much of that is from untrained troops. People always seem to believe that the IDF is some badass military, where everybody is Delta. While they certainly have a formidable special forces contingent, they're still composed largely of the draftees that have their year or whatever in working the motor pool and galleys, then back to civilian life as reserves. I imagine that right now, many of them were called back in and are suddenly combat, or combat support.
2) Related and more concerning to me, we sure have been having to shoot down a lot of Houthi drones in the Red Sea, and there sure are a lot of attempted attacks on merchant vessels there right now.
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2) Related and more concerning to me, we sure have been having to shoot down a lot of Houthi drones in the Red Sea, and there sure are a lot of attempted attacks on merchant vessels there right now.
Can't be, the Biden admin removed them from the Foreign Terrorist Organization list back in Feb
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Between us and the UK, I am sure we have spent quite the sum of money on the missiles used to shoot down the drones.
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It really is frighteningly like pre-WW2 Germany, with brownshirts, and our schools and universities becoming our version of Hitler Youth indoctrination centers. Only here they are targeting more than Jews. It's amazing how often on reddit, for instance, you see rage about the "transgender genocide" (ironic when related to "the holocaust was fake") and calls to "Kill all Republicans!".
It is hard to follow who hates who and who is working against who.
Almost like the stage is being set for a free for all of everyone against each other.
Concerningly, the anarchists (and us) are going to get to see what actual anarchy looks like writ large.
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It really is frighteningly like pre-WW2 Germany, with brownshirts, and our schools and universities becoming our version of Hitler Youth indoctrination centers. Only here they are targeting more than Jews. It's amazing how often on reddit, for instance, you see rage about the "transgender genocide" (ironic when related to "the holocaust was fake") and calls to "Kill all Republicans!".
I'm sure it will be mostly peaceful.
As I've pointed out before the language being used by many on the left to describe conservatives is often scarily similar to the language the Nazis used to describe the Jews.
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More on that poll
Majority of Americans 18-24 think Israel should ‘be ended and given to Hamas’ https://t.co/FsMfOTIGBd pic.twitter.com/RYgs8B1ae5
— New York Post (@nypost) December 16, 2023
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2023/12/17/majority-of-18-24-year-olds-think-israel-should-be-given-to-hamas-n2390905
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Surely this will cause leftist Jews to wake up and stop supporting the left!
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Surely this will cause leftist Jews to wake up and stop supporting the left!
;/
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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So a couple of things:
1) I saw that the IDF accidently killed three of the hostages that were held by hamas. I'm unclear about the circumstances, other than it is being said they were waving a white flag, but shot anyway. I'm wondering how much of that is from untrained troops. People always seem to believe that the IDF is some badass military, where everybody is Delta. While they certainly have a formidable special forces contingent, they're still composed largely of the draftees that have their year or whatever in working the motor pool and galleys, then back to civilian life as reserves. I imagine that right now, many of them were called back in and are suddenly combat, or combat support.
2) Related and more concerning to me, we sure have been having to shoot down a lot of Houthi drones in the Red Sea, and there sure are a lot of attempted attacks on merchant vessels there right now.
Not getting much news time either is that our bases in the sand are taking random hits also.
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https://richardvigilante.substack.com/p/in-gaza-lets-call-a-state-a-state?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=677554&post_id=139917700&https://richardvigilante.substack.com/p/in-gaza-lets-call-a-state-a-state?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=677554&post_id=139917700&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=false&r=5ky3s&utm_medium=email
The article proposes that Israel recognize Gaza as a sovereign nation, and treat them as such. Which to say, quit coddling them.
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https://richardvigilante.substack.com/p/in-gaza-lets-call-a-state-a-state?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=677554&post_id=139917700&https://richardvigilante.substack.com/p/in-gaza-lets-call-a-state-a-state?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=677554&post_id=139917700&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=false&r=5ky3s&utm_medium=email
The article proposes that Israel recognize Gaza as a sovereign nation, and treat them as such. Which to say, quit coddling them.
Sounds good.
Barbed wire and concrete border. Gazans can't enter Israel without visas -- which Israel, of course, won't issue. Israel no longer supplies Gaza with drinking water or electricity.
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And Israeli settlers will of course stay out of Palestinian territory :rofl:
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https://richardvigilante.substack.com/p/in-gaza-lets-call-a-state-a-state?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=677554&post_id=139917700&https://richardvigilante.substack.com/p/in-gaza-lets-call-a-state-a-state?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=677554&post_id=139917700&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=false&r=5ky3s&utm_medium=email
The article proposes that Israel recognize Gaza as a sovereign nation, and treat them as such. Which to say, quit coddling them.
I propose that Israel buy some worthless tract of land somewhere far away and declare it the new Palestinian homeland. Cut off all food and water to the strip, and evacuate the civilian population in cargo ships to their new home.
And hang all captured members of Hamas.
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From the article:
On Israel’s side the war should be prosecuted without deliberate brutality, but without compromising the country’s defense. Modern AI-assisted missile defense systems can pinpoint to within meters the source of any missile attack. Getting those coordinates right should be the only limit on the Israeli response; whatever else occupies the same space—hospital, orphanage, mosque—is a matter for which the Gazans must accept responsibility.
This is not cruelty. It is simply treating the Gazans as responsible adults, bearing the consequences of their own actions taken by their own independent state.
I agree.
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And Israeli settlers will of course stay out of Palestinian territory :rofl:
They've been out for years.
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And Israeli settlers will of course stay out of Palestinian territory :rofl:
They've been out for years.
That's the genisys of this portion of the conflict. They can't even agree on what land is "Palestinian Territory" that Israeli's need to stay out of.
As far as I know Palestine has never (or at least not recently enough to matter) won a a war of conquest and laid down borders as "This is Palestine! Keep Out" If your entire homeland relies upon land other countries have given you, you are going to have shitty land, and not much of it.
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Very true, dogmush.
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That's the genisys of this portion of the conflict. They can't even agree on what land is "Palestinian Territory" that Israeli's need to stay out of.
As far as I know Palestine has never (or at least not recently enough to matter) won a a war of conquest and laid down borders as "This is Palestine! Keep Out" If your entire homeland relies upon land other countries have given you, you are going to have shitty land, and not much of it.
Meanwhile many on the Palestinian side chant “From the River to the Sea, Palestine Will Be Free”
From the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea which means all of it.
In other words wipe Israel off the map
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Ian of Forgotten Weapons take a look at a Hamas released video that supposedly is of them making "sniper" rifles
Hamas Claims to Make Sniper Rifles in Gaza - Are They Really?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRcVRLtde6c
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If your entire homeland relies upon land other countries have given you, you are going to have shitty land, and not much of it.
I see what you did there.
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That's the genisys of this portion of the conflict. They can't even agree on what land is "Palestinian Territory" that Israeli's need to stay out of.
As far as I know Palestine has never (or at least not recently enough to matter) won a a war of conquest and laid down borders as "This is Palestine! Keep Out" If your entire homeland relies upon land other countries have given you, you are going to have shitty land, and not much of it.
You can see that in the US without looking too hard. the Blackfeet and Navajo reservations come to mind immediately and I am sure some of the other reservations are as bad.
bob
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Yes... though I suspect that if the Indians had acted like the Palestinians, they would all be dead now.
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Yes... though I suspect that if the Indians had acted like the Palestinians, they would all be dead now.
You mean if American Indians had acted like Palestinians by fighting the US Military and attacking and killing civilian settlers in lands they perceived as their own?
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I was thinking about when the Indians were moved onto the reservations. They pretty much gave up. Which was a smart move. If the Indians had kept up the murders and rapes, like the Palestinians seem intent on doing, I think the USA would have finished killing them all off.
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Ah, I see.
Yeah you probably aren't wrong there.
IIRC there were some raids staged off of reservations, but for the most part the tribes were so beat down by the time they got to reservations there wasn't much fighting left to do.
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Wow. I'm shocked that pompous blowhard Cenk Uygur kept his mouth shut through this verbal beating he got. And all very good points made by this journalist who I have not heard of before.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1738091808310083587
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Wow. I'm shocked that pompous blowhard Cenk Uygur kept his mouth shut through this verbal beating he got. And all very good points made by this journalist who I have not heard of before.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1738091808310083587
Apparently getting completely owned made zero impression on Cenk Uygur
Every genocide supporter is outing themselves right now as they look at Douglas Murray's insipid, fact-free, non-sensical defense of mass slaughter in Gaza and obvious disdain and hatred of Palestinians - and think he did a good job. Wow. That's telling on yourself.
— Cenk Uygur (@cenkuygur) December 22, 2023
Douglas Murray has reentered the chat at https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/12/23/take-the-loss-and-move-on-cenk-uygur-gets-advice-after-insisting-douglas-murray-didnt-wreck-him-n2391091
[popcorn]
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Apparently getting completely owned made zero impression on Cenk Uygur
Just trying to save face, like the drunk who claims the bouncer got in a lucky punch.
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Some analysis of the current middle east situation. There are a lot of wheels inside of wheels going on over there, beyond my ability to really grasp what's happening. This article did inform me on a few things though.
https://tomluongo.me/2023/12/21/no-one-grokked-suez-houthi-gambit/
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Just trying to save face, like the drunk who claims the bouncer got in a lucky punch.
The drunk at least has an excuse, Uygur had his fingers in his ears the whole time.
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Iran extending it's reach
The US has accused Iran of being behind a drone attack on a chemical tanker in the Indian Ocean.
The attack on the Chem Pluto on Saturday resulted in a fire, though no casualties were reported.
Though Iran has not commented on the attack, the US military said the 'one-way attack' was delivered by a 'drone fired from Iran.'
It is understood to be the first time the US has accused Iran of targeting a ship directly. It is also believed to be the furthest attack undertaken by Iran from its own soil.
Now it would be interesting to see how they think they could possibly do this
The accusations comes as Iran has threatened to close off the Strait of Gibraltar and the Mediterranean Sea if Israel and its allies continue to commit 'crimes' in Gaza.
Yeah I know, it's Iran beating their chest but it would be interesting to hear what hair brain idea they could come up with short of maybe, MAYBE, being able to sneak a anti ship missile or two close enough but that wouldn't really be closing the Strait would it? Though maybe in their minds it would be enough to scare anyone from going through the strait afterwards.
Chemical tanker 'is hit by drone from Iran off the coast of India - as Tehran threatens to close Strait of Gibraltar and Mediterranean sea unless Israel stops bombing Gaza
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12898243/Chemical-tanker-hit-drone-Iran-coast-India-Tehran-threatens-close-Strait-Gibraltar-Mediterranean-sea-unless-Israel-stops-bombing-Gaza.html
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Our chickens are coming home to roost.
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Iran puffing its chest, vs funding and supplying in the background, coupled with everything else going on is slightly worrisome.
I also thought that the latest S2 Underground wire was interesting, as apparently our "partners" are bailing on us because they don't want to work in a coalition to protect shipping in which they take orders from America.
https://youtu.be/Qxo0pQO8MJk
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All they're doing is turning more people against them.
Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
Pro-Palestinian protesters have shut down the entrance to O'Hare Airport, causing chaos to travellers attempting to fly home to their families for Christmas.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1738935868142887417
Pro-Palestine Protesters (Hamas Simps) Remind Us They're the SUCKIEST, Block O'Hare Airport Entrance
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/12/24/pro-palestine-protesters-hamas-simps-remind-us-theyre-the-suckiest-block-ohare-airport-entrance-n2391135
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NYT saying 20,000 people have died.
I'm sure the Hamas fact checkers can confirm that.
They go on to say that's the highest total of any Arab war in the past 40 years which completely ignores the 300,000+ killed in the Syrian war.
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/december-24-israel-hamas-war
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How many people were killed in the recent Iraqi civil war? It has got to much higher than 20,000.
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They weren't killed by Israelis so they don't matter
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All they're doing is turning more people against them.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1738935868142887417
Pro-Palestine Protesters (Hamas Simps) Remind Us They're the SUCKIEST, Block O'Hare Airport Entrance
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/12/24/pro-palestine-protesters-hamas-simps-remind-us-theyre-the-suckiest-block-ohare-airport-entrance-n2391135
More of that
Pro-Palestinian protestors scale 83-tall Christmas tree in San Francisco's Union Square to demand 'no Christmas as usual'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12898411/Palestine-Protest-San-Francisco-Union-Square-arrest.html
Side note: Somewhat surprise that San Fran allowed a Christmas tree like that to be set up
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Well, they're certainly on a roll with the "making friends" thing today.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/pro-palestinians-disrupt-christmas-fundraiser-blind-children
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Clicked on a NSF twitter Merry Christmas thread and of course even in there someone had to drop a video about a Jesus display that is suppose to be a baby Jesus in the blown up rubble of a house in Gaza
https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1739073888665915445
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Clicked on a NSF twitter Merry Christmas thread and of course even in there someone had to drop a video about a Jesus display that is suppose to be a baby Jesus in the blown up rubble of a house in Gaza
https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1739073888665915445
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NASA tracking Santa Claus?
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NASA tracking Santa Claus?
Page down a couple of times.
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NASA tracking Santa Claus?
Here's the direct link to the video
https://twitter.com/omar99HH/status/1739089048755425684`
Someone felt the need to drop that into a NASA Space Flight thread
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The few remaining Christians in Jesus birthplace can’t celebrate today because they are the wrong race and religion, which means the people with the most military strength in their lands don’t recognise their rights at all.
It’s completely wild that most of the west celebrates a holiday for his birthday while a state that declares indigenous Christians in Jesus’s homeland to be stateless and without rights goes about either killing or displacing all of them.
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NASA tracking Santa Claus?
When I was a kid in Central Pennsylvania my Dad was a volunteer firefighter. He had a scanner. On Christmas Eve starting around 9 p.m. the dispatchers would give updates on Santa's location.
They did that for a number of years until the state made them stop because it was an improper use of emergency dispatch channels.
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The few remaining Christians in Jesus birthplace can’t celebrate today because they are the wrong race and religion, which means the people with the most military strength in their lands don’t recognise their rights at all.
It’s completely wild that most of the west celebrates a holiday for his birthday while a state that declares indigenous Christians in Jesus’s homeland to be stateless and without rights goes about either killing or displacing all of them.
Well the point of my post was only that someone felt the need to drop that story into a NASA Space Flight thread as just another example of them trying to make everyone as miserable as they keep making themselves
Anyhow
BTW: After the Six-Day War of 1967, it was part of the Israeli-occupied territory of the West Bank. In 1995 Israel ceded control of Bethlehem to the newly established Palestinian Authority in preparation for a two-state solution
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Bethlehem++in+west+bank%3F
Also BTW: Here more on that video they posted
Jesus was born in this village. Now they've canceled Christmas. Are his followers no longer welcome?
https://www.foxnews.com/media/jesus-born-village-now-canceled-christmas-followers-longer-welcome
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The few remaining Christians in Jesus birthplace can’t celebrate today because they are the wrong race and religion, which means the people with the most military strength in their lands don’t recognise their rights at all.
It’s completely wild that most of the west celebrates a holiday for his birthday while a state that declares indigenous Christians in Jesus’s homeland to be stateless and without rights goes about either killing or displacing all of them.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. Maybe you are describing the PLO? Bethlehem is controlled by the Arab PLO, not Israel. There is no fighting in Bethlehem. The Arab authorities in Bethlehem cancelled Christmas to protest Israel fighting Hamas.
Here is a news article about Christmas in Bethlehem:
At its centre is a nativity scene showing the baby Jesus wrapped in a white shroud, surrounded by rubble and barbed wire, in a chilling echo of the thousands of children killed in Gaza.
Nearby, a group of students unfurled a giant Palestinian flag in silence.
https://news.yahoo.com/christmas-cancelled-bethlehem-birthplace-jesus-060000582.html
They surrounded the figure of the Christ child with rubble in some sort of protest. The article has not a single word about why the war is happening. It is a mystery why Israel is just attacking all those poor Arabs for no apparent reason!
If the baby Jesus had been in one of the kubutzes when Hamas invaded Israel, they would have thrown him alive in a oven, set him on fire, or chopped his head off along with the other Jewish babies they killed.
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There are no good guys in that conflict, the USA/West is funding both sides directly or indirectly.
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I was thinking about when the Indians were moved onto the reservations. They pretty much gave up. Which was a smart move. If the Indians had kept up the murders and rapes, like the Palestinians seem intent on doing, I think the USA would have finished killing them all off.
Let’s take the thought experiment a little further though: say the Indians invest wisely the next few years and manage to fund their own private army strong enough to defeat the US military. They then come to your house and declare it ancestral Indian land, kick you off, and expel you from the United Stated with no citizenship.
Would you accept that as a morally acceptable outcome? And not fight in any way to stop it?
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Kinda figures he would show up on Christmas, of all days, just to be a pill.
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A little something to give you a warm and fuzzy feeling
Iran has escalated the rate at which it is enriching uranium to up to 60 per cent purity, levels close to weapons-grade, the UN's nuclear watchdog warned today.
Iran has 'increased its production of highly enriched uranium, reversing a previous output reduction from mid-2023', the International Atomic Energy Agency said in a statement.
Iran has enough uranium enriched to up to 60 per cent purity for three atom bombs by the International Atomic Energy Agency's definition. Its leaders maintain it 'does not need' nuclear weapons and is only enriching uranium for peaceful purposes.
But on December 18, the UK government warned that Iran's stockpiles 'are unprecedented for a state without a nuclear weapons programme', denouncing the 'deplorable state' of its commitments to a 2015 deal in which Tehran agreed to slash stockpiles and enrich only to 3.67 per cent.
By the IAEA's theoretical definition, around 42 kg of uranium enriched to 60% is the amount at which making a nuclear bomb with it cannot be excluded.
Iran escalates production of near-weapons grade uranium in shocking reversal, nuclear watchdog warns
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12901117/Iran-escalates-uranium-enrichment-programme-near-weapons-grade-nuclear-watchdog-warns.html
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[whispers] Biden's foreign policy is working.
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A little something to give you a warm and fuzzy feeling
Iran escalates production of near-weapons grade uranium in shocking reversal, nuclear watchdog warns
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12901117/Iran-escalates-uranium-enrichment-programme-near-weapons-grade-nuclear-watchdog-warns.html
No, you're wrong. Obama guaranteed that this would never happen.
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Would you accept that as a morally acceptable outcome? And not fight in any way to stop it?
Of course I would try to stop it, but I could understand the Indians trying to do so, assuming they obeyed the laws of war. What are you wondering about?
I personally think Zionism was a terrible idea. Setting hundreds of thousands of people right on top of a population that hates them. The results could have been predicted. That being said, I have zero sympathy for the Arabs in the area, given their genocidal, corrupt and despotic behavior. They aren't fit to run a thing, unlike the Jews.
The Arabs need to give up, and try to create their own countries, and live at peace with the Jews. They seem to be completely unable to do this, so I hope they get their ass kicked again.
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Kinda figures he would show up on Christmas, of all days, just to be a pill.
It's a parody account.
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And more to give you a warm and fuzzy feeling
One in five young Americans has a POSITIVE view of Osama Bin Laden: Disturbing Daily Mail poll results also reveal three in 10 Gen-Zers think the views of the 9/11 mastermind were a 'force for good'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12890583/americans-osama-bin-laden-poll-gen-zers.html
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And more to give you a warm and fuzzy feeling
One in five young Americans has a POSITIVE view of Osama Bin Laden: Disturbing Daily Mail poll results also reveal three in 10 Gen-Zers think the views of the 9/11 mastermind were a 'force for good'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12890583/americans-osama-bin-laden-poll-gen-zers.html
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That's probably because they don't know the difference between Osama and Obama. Seriously :'(
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>poll results show youngsters think osama bin laden is pretty good guy
He was elected twice and way better than Trump or that other guy!
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Meanwhile in front of the White House
https://twitter.com/swilkinsonbc/status/1740357266770120853
Still a better love story than twilight
'Worst Show Ever': Activists Reenact What's Happening in Gaza in Front of the White House
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/12/28/worst-show-ever-activists-reenact-whats-happening-in-gaza-in-front-of-the-white-house-n2391211
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Several threads this could have gone in
Secretary Antony Blinken
@SecBlinken
As I reflect on the miles traveled, countries visited, and intense diplomacy over the past year, I am proud of our work to build stronger partnerships and strengthen global peace and security.
https://twitter.com/SecBlinken/status/1740418900947505537
'This Is Insane'! SecState Blinken's Assessment of 2023 Does NOT Line Up With Reality
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/12/29/secstate-blinkens-assessment-of-2023-does-not-match-up-with-what-we-remember-n2391227
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Of course I would try to stop it, but I could understand the Indians trying to do so, assuming they obeyed the laws of war. What are you wondering about?
I personally think Zionism was a terrible idea. Setting hundreds of thousands of people right on top of a population that hates them. The results could have been predicted. That being said, I have zero sympathy for the Arabs in the area, given their genocidal, corrupt and despotic behavior. They aren't fit to run a thing, unlike the Jews.
The Arabs need to give up, and try to create their own countries, and live at peace with the Jews. They seem to be completely unable to do this, so I hope they get their ass kicked again.
This is so contradictory it’s hard to unpick. You think it was wrong to drop European immigrants where they weren’t wanted, and you think people have a right to resist deprivation of their property and liberty - but you don’t think Arabs have that right because as a race they aren’t good at “running things” whatever that means?
Do you think the rights to liberty and property can be forfeited based on a person’s race?
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Exporting large masses of people to new lands or importing large masses of people is a time tested way of destabilizing, conquering and acquiring control of a country.
Colonists and immigrants are just pawns in a bigger game of conquest.
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This is so contradictory it’s hard to unpick. You think it was wrong to drop European immigrants where they weren’t wanted, and you think people have a right to resist deprivation of their property and liberty - but you don’t think Arabs have that right because as a race they aren’t good at “running things” whatever that means?
Do you think the rights to liberty and property can be forfeited based on a person’s race?
Let me see if I can explain better, since I obviously did not do a good job. Thomas Sowell discusses what he calls the "quest for cosmic justice"… an example of this would be when the left tries to rectify the wrongs of the distant past by screwing over people today, and this never goes well. Such as, trying to correct the harms of slavery by discriminating against white people today, or reparations.
I live on land taken from Indians by the Indian Removal Act of 1830. It was of doubtful legality. Was this a bad thing to do? Probably so. Did the Indians in 1830 have a right to resist? Sure. Should I be expected to give my house to Creek Indians now because of possible wrongs suffered by their ancestors in 1830? No. The aggrieved parties are dead, and I am not responsible for the Trail of Tears. If a hypothetical modern day independent Creek nation attempted to attack the USA and regain the land lost by the Indian Removal Act of 1830, it would be foolish, but understandable, assuming this hypothetical Creek nation followed the laws of war. Foolish, because, once again, of the stupidity of the quest for cosmic justice, which is exactly what it would be. I would resist, once again, because I am not responsible for the wrongs of the distant past. I am not bound to let myself be screwed over because Andrew Jackson was an jerk to Indians who have been dead for over a hundred years.
Now Zionism in the past was also "the quest for cosmic justice" and foolish as well, in my opinion. Because Jews lost the Holy Land in 79 AD, it did not give them a right to the land after WW2.
Did the Arabs in the Holy Land have the right to resist Zionism? Maybe so (it is unclear because they did not actually rule the area, but were subjects of the British Empire… possibly the Brits had a right to give control of the land to the Jews, I am not sure). Anyway, the Arabs did resist at the time, and the Jews and Arabs did not obey the laws of war… both sides violated the laws of war flagrantly at times. The Arabs lost the wars, just as the Creek Indians did. If the Arabs behaved better back then, then their descendants would be in better shape, just like the Creek Indians of today might be in better shape if their ancestors hadn't committed the Fort Mims Massacre, and convinced white Americans to hate them. (and of course the Jews in Israel might be in better shape had their zionist ancestors behaved better).
The Arab inhabitants of the Holy Land don't have a right to the land of their ancestors. They lost it. Trying to get it back by force is another stupid example of the quest for cosmic justice, which leads to horror. I can understand why they would try to do so, but that is an emotional reaction on their part that is foolish in the extreme. The fact that Hamas does not obey the laws of war in their stupid attempts, but use rape, murder and kidnapping as SOPs means I despise them and hope that all who participate in such things are killed. If they did follow the laws of war, I would think they were foolish and wrong, but not evil.
Zionism today (in that the nation of Israel has a right to continue their existence)- I agree with it, because they are living people who have established a nation in fact. Any of the younger Israelis, which would be almost all of them, have zero responsibility for the crimes of Irgun in the past, nor the stupidity of the British Empire for the Balfour Declaration.
Do you think the rights to liberty and property can be forfeited based on a person’s race?
The Arabs in Palestine lost their property in land because they (or their ancestors) fought wars against Israel and lost them, not because of their race (Arabs and Jews are the same race anyway). They don't have a right to land lost in the distant past (the stupid quest for cosmic justice thing) nor do they have a right to lands lost if they pick a fight with Israel and lose. For elderly Arabs who lost property in the wars, well, too bad for them, that's what happens when you declare war on another nation and lose. Arab nations expelled hundreds of thousands of Jews from their lands, and Israel expelled lots of Arabs from their conquered lands… I am not aware of either side compensating the other for their loss of property.
I hope this post explains my position more clearly.
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Terrorism warnings going out for tonight
https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi-law-enforcement-brace-potential-threats-during-new-years-eve-bash
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Terrorism warnings going out for tonight
https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi-law-enforcement-brace-potential-threats-during-new-years-eve-bash
I'm once again happy to have made the move to living under the radar in BFE.
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A couple of our helos took down Houthi attack boats that were shooting at them.
https://youtu.be/JgHloespf_I
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A couple of our helos took down Houthi attack boats that were shooting at them.
https://youtu.be/JgHloespf_I
FAFO
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A couple of our helos took down Houthi attack boats that were shooting at them.
https://youtu.be/JgHloespf_I
Now I have questions. What type of boats? Did the helos use MG fire (door mounted) or did they step up their game and have Hellfires mounted? Where is the video? These thing always cause more questions than answers. ;)
bob
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Now I have questions. What type of boats? Did the helos use MG fire (door mounted) or did they step up their game and have Hellfires mounted? Where is the video? These thing always cause more questions than answers. ;)
bob
From what I've seen, these terrorists tend to use boats that look sorta like the Mexican cartel super pangas, but not as seaworthy, as those super pangas cost like a $1 million a pop and haul ass.
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From what I've seen, these terrorists tend to use boats that look sorta like the Mexican cartel super pangas, but not as seaworthy, as those super pangas cost like a $1 million a pop and haul ass.
Way back when and we cruised the Gulf at night we would see a ton of dhows. We would have to check everyone of them because the Iranians were fond of using them to mine the gulf. Also a lot of the Somali pirates used the panga types with a lot of motor for a go fast type to try the boarding with. Of course most of these groups use what ever they can steal at the time.
bob
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Also a lot of the Somali pirates used the panga types with a lot of motor for a go fast type
That's how the cartels did it. As related to me by one of the Homeland guys, some industrious fishermen started using the little crappy pangas to cross the border into Calif with a few people and a few bales of pot. The cartels liked the idea so much they had one of their shipyards in i think Baja start producing the super pangas to haul more people and a lot more drugs.
The one below, we found beached South of Vandenberg. People and product were gone, which meant the boat driver's family probably didn't get executed. They didn't mind losing a boat, but product was a different story. Funny story on this one, some commercial fisherman had actually gotten there before our guys did and painted "salvage" and his name and phone number on the hull. Which apparently is a thing under maritime law under normal circumstances. This one fell under one of Bush's HSPDs though, so he was out of luck. He was probably pretty pissed, since just the motors would have brought him a pretty penny. :laugh:
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^^^^Is that a fiberglass hull?
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^^^^Is that a fiberglass hull?
Not fiberglass. I'm pretty sure aluminum, but I can't remember for sure anymore. Might have been steel, though the price tag probably tends to aluminum.
EDIT: That question got me wondering if I'm completely misremembering, because blowing up some other photos I have, it does kinda look like molded construction. Though these guys used to beach and beat up their boats all the time, and I'm not sure fiberglass would survive doing that for very long. I'm not in contact anymore with anyone I can ask if I'm remembering wrong. They might have had a spray coating over the aluminum for some minimal radar reflection reduction.
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A couple of our helos took down Houthi attack boats that were shooting at them.
https://youtu.be/JgHloespf_I
Houthi rebels, getting to meet Allah face to face courtesy of the United States Navy.
But, pity they only sank 3 of the 4.
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Terrorism warnings going out for tonight
https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi-law-enforcement-brace-potential-threats-during-new-years-eve-bash
No big incidents last night that I'm aware of.
Some protestors though did try to shut things down in some places.
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Not fiberglass. I'm pretty sure aluminum, but I can't remember for sure anymore. Might have been steel, though the price tag probably tends to aluminum.
EDIT: That question got me wondering if I'm completely misremembering, because blowing up some other photos I have, it does kinda look like molded construction. Though these guys used to beach and beat up their boats all the time, and I'm not sure fiberglass would survive doing that for very long. I'm not in contact anymore with anyone I can ask if I'm remembering wrong. They might have had a spray coating over the aluminum for some minimal radar reflection reduction.
The couple Super Pangas I got up and personal with while operating out of San Diego and Port Hueneme were fiberglass. There's probably some substantial variation in construction though.
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Winning friends
New Year's Day travel nightmare: Pro-Palestinian mob targets roads around JFK Airport causing gridlock for miserable passengers leaving NYC
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12916895/new-years-day-pro-palestinian-mob-jfk-airport-protest.html
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The couple Super Pangas I got up and personal with while operating out of San Diego and Port Hueneme were fiberglass. There's probably some substantial variation in construction though.
If that's what you saw at NBVC, then it was my bad memory. Those boats were supposedly all coming out of the same place, at least circa 2012. Some different sizes. The one in the pics was one of the bigger ones, I think like 60-65'. It took up an entire end tie at SB Harbor.
There was a short period in that timeframe where they were being sighted and found all over the coast and out at the islands. In fact one of them, while being boarded off Santa Cruz Island, made a break for it, rammed the patrol boat (might have been a RHIB), and ran over a coastie who got thrown in the drink, killing him.
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I doubt few of you know what bail hunting was on the beaches in the '80's.
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I doubt few of you know what bail hunting was on the beaches in the '80's.
I remember
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Doubt it's anything to worry about but who knows with the Iranians, could be dangerous to a US warship if they got a shot off first otherwise it's a target.
Could fire off a shot or two at a commercial vessel to test this administration's willingness to respond.
Iranian warship enters Red Sea amid Houthis’ ongoing attacks on commercial vessels
https://www.foxnews.com/world/iranian-warship-enters-red-sea-houthis-ongoing-attacks-commercial-vessels
Info on the class. Iran had 4, we sank one in 1988. Built by the British for the Shah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvand-class_frigate
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The Iranian Navy has been working on positioning itself as a blue water navy for a decade and a half or so. They frequently operate outside the Straits of Hormuz and regularly travel to India, China, through the Red Sea and Suez and into the Med. The last time I was in CENTCOM they were running "Anti pirate and freedom of navigation patrols" in the Gulf of Aden and Red sea pretty continuously.
Remember, Iran functionally has two Navys. The Islamic Republic of Iran Navy, which has most of the frigates, auxiliary's, all the subs, and some smaller boats, and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy, which has two missile corvettes, some amphibs and landing craft and mostly a *expletive deleted*it ton of missile carrying speed boats. They are completely separate organizations, with a separate chain of command, and are very different to deal with in the ocean. The IRGCN tends to be the one you need to worry about being aggressive and trying to start wars. It's also the IRGC not the Iranian Military that funds militant groups like the Houthis.
Which is a long-winded way of saying this boat, or one like it is pretty routinely operating in that area, doing that mission, and there's nothing intrinsically more threatening about this mission than the last 30 times the IRIN transited the Red Sea. Fox News is breathlessly reporting a common occurrence as if it were new.
Now if you start to see the IRGCN Missile Corvettes or Peykaap class torpedo boats transiting the Straits and heading to the Red Sea, something might be up.
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The Iranian Navy has been working on positioning itself as a blue water navy for a decade and a half or so. They frequently operate outside the Straits of Hormuz and regularly travel to India, China, through the Red Sea and Suez and into the Med. The last time I was in CENTCOM they were running "Anti pirate and freedom of navigation patrols" in the Gulf of Aden and Red sea pretty continuously.
Remember, Iran functionally has two Navys. The Islamic Republic of Iran Navy, which has most of the frigates, auxiliary's, all the subs, and some smaller boats, and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy, which has two missile corvettes, some amphibs and landing craft and mostly a *expletive deleted*it ton of missile carrying speed boats. They are completely separate organizations, with a separate chain of command, and are very different to deal with in the ocean. The IRGCN tends to be the one you need to worry about being aggressive and trying to start wars. It's also the IRGC not the Iranian Military that funds militant groups like the Houthis.
Which is a long-winded way of saying this boat, or one like it is pretty routinely operating in that area, doing that mission, and there's nothing intrinsically more threatening about this mission than the last 30 times the IRIN transited the Red Sea. Fox News is breathlessly reporting a common occurrence as if it were new.
Now if you start to see the IRGCN Missile Corvettes or Peykaap class torpedo boats transiting the Straits and heading to the Red Sea, something might be up.
Had once cruise around in the Caribbean a while back and the media went nuts
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I doubt few of you know what bail hunting was on the beaches in the '80's.
I spent quite a bit of time on detachments to Key West in the early 80's for sonobouy drop testing (among other things). We would always spend a day or so walking the beaches in the Keys looking for square grouper! :)
bob
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I did not realize that this moron is actually a professor at a CA university, putting these thoughts in her students' heads. Holy hell.
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/01/02/saira-rao-zionist-doctors-n2391320
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Booms in Iran
At least 73 people have been killed and 170 wounded after two explosions rocked a ceremony that was being held to mark the 2020 assassination of Iran's top commander Qassem Soleimani in a US drone attack.
The first explosion was quickly followed by a second close to a cemetery in the southeastern city of Kerman where thousands had gathered to mark the four-year anniversary of Soleimani's killing.
Has Israel struck again? Blasts kill 70 at ceremony marking death of top Iranian commander Qassem Soleimani - a day after Israeli drone strike wiped out Hamas deputy in Beirut
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12922445/Has-Israel-struck-20-dead-explosions-rock-Iranian-ceremony-marking-anniversary-killing-commander-Qassem-Soleimani-drone-attack.html
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Muh entitlement?
State Dept issues rare, unprompted critique of ministers by name, days after Biden pressed PM to rein in far-right partners; Ben Gvir unfazed: ‘We are not another star in the US flag’
https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-slams-irresponsible-calls-by-smotrich-and-ben-gvir-for-emigration-of-gazans/
OK how about the US cuts Israel loose see where they end up ;/
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Booms in Iran
Has Israel struck again? Blasts kill 70 at ceremony marking death of top Iranian commander Qassem Soleimani - a day after Israeli drone strike wiped out Hamas deputy in Beirut
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12922445/Has-Israel-struck-20-dead-explosions-rock-Iranian-ceremony-marking-anniversary-killing-commander-Qassem-Soleimani-drone-attack.html
Updated to say at least 103 killed, 170 injured
Stay tuned folks, this could get bumpy
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Booms in Iran
Has Israel struck again? Blasts kill 70 at ceremony marking death of top Iranian commander Qassem Soleimani - a day after Israeli drone strike wiped out Hamas deputy in Beirut
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12922445/Has-Israel-struck-20-dead-explosions-rock-Iranian-ceremony-marking-anniversary-killing-commander-Qassem-Soleimani-drone-attack.html
Maybe I'm a little skeptical but my first thought is "false flag".
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Maybe I'm a little skeptical but my first thought is "false flag".
Given how Israel has been managing things lately* I wouldn't put it past their government getting the brilliant idea of trying to underhandedly poke Iran into direct action so the US is then forced to fully commit to the fight to do the heavy lifting for them.
*Israel has gone full-retard.
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Given how Israel has been managing things lately* I wouldn't put it past their government getting the brilliant idea of trying to underhandedly poke Iran into direct action so the US is then forced to fully commit to the fight to do the heavy lifting for them.
*Israel has gone full-retard.
OK, this has now moved up several notches on my worry list.
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Could have been Israel but it's not their usual MO while Iran has more than a few internal groups not happy with the current government.
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Given how Israel has been managing things lately* I wouldn't put it past their government getting the brilliant idea of trying to underhandedly poke Iran into direct action so the US is then forced to fully commit to the fight to do the heavy lifting for them.
*Israel has gone full-retard.
And on the other hand I would not put it beyond the realm of possibility that the Iranians themselves orchestrated the terror type bombings in order to escalate their direct involvement in the ongoings in the ME right now. Crowd bombing is so far outside the MO of Israel that I don't buy it. If they want to kill a particular person or group of people they have no issues doing that but indiscriminate crowd bombing is not the way they operate AFAIK.
bob
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Fair enough, but the issue is that direct involvement doesn't seem to be in Iran's best interest right now. They are already vicariously dealing out more than enough pain through Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis. Keeping the US out as much as possible is far more strategic than having an "excuse" to launch direct attacks themselves, and the one thing that would guarantee (I think) full US involvement is Iran's direct involvement.
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Nobody involved get's the benefit of the doubt from my perspective.
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Nobody involved get's the benefit of the doubt from my perspective.
Including the US. It is not above the US government to be actively involved in trying to topple foreign governments.
bob
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Including the US. It is not above the US government to be actively involved in trying to topple foreign governments.
bob
I'm still leaning towards the US on the whole pipeline explosion thing.
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Including the US.
bob
I thought Biden was trying to suck up to Iran....
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State Department's response to what happened in Iran and Beirut: We dindu nutin, we didn see nutin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noDKy9w3dfg&lc=UgxYfG7WCf7zryF6Skt4AaABAg.9z7BcsB5Y1H9z7Fa6DnEQI
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Who had ISIS on their blame list?
And both explosions were suicide bombers
ISIS claims responsibility for Iran cemetery bloodbath that left nearly 100 dead
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12927027/ISIS-claims-responsibility-Iran-cemetery-bloodbath-left-nearly-100-dead.html
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I thought ISIS was done. Now that's a Jason comeback :P
Unfortunately Iran sees ISIS as a US-Israeli proxy. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail.
https://time.com/2992269/isis-is-an-american-plot-says-iran/
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Who had ISIS on their blame list?
And both explosions were suicide bombers
ISIS claims responsibility for Iran cemetery bloodbath that left nearly 100 dead
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12927027/ISIS-claims-responsibility-Iran-cemetery-bloodbath-left-nearly-100-dead.html
I blame Trump and the NRA.
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Oh look! World peace has been voted for
Goofballs actually think the world gives a ___ about their feelz vote
Time to celebrate
https://twitter.com/ClownWorld_/status/1745090834381353375 :facepalm:
Adam Corolla Has Just TWO Words for San Fran Loonies Celebrating Their Ceasefire Resolution and HAAAA
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/01/11/adam-corolla-chick-think-n2391639
Meanwhile your sidewalks are covered in *expletive deleted*it
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So today South Africa presented a case accusing Israel of genocide at the ICJ
https://apnews.com/article/world-court-israel-genocide-gaza-south-africa-774ab3c3d57fd7bcc627602eaf47fd98
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOW_1exsHE8
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Rumors this morning that a US warship was sunk or damaged and also that an F-22 was shot down.
Hope this is just propaganda and not true, as I'm hoping for a de-escalation.
I'm thinking if the various conflicts we're involved in around the globe continue to escalate we will see attacks here stateside in ways we haven't seen in our lifetimes.
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Rumors this morning that a US warship was sunk or damaged and also that an F-22 was shot down.
Hope this is just propaganda and not true, as I'm hoping for a de-escalation.
I'm thinking if the various conflicts we're involved in around the globe continue to escalate we will see attacks here stateside in ways we haven't seen in our lifetimes.
This whole war is so clearly in us national interests, why would you even ask the question?
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This whole war is so clearly in us national interests, why would you even ask the question?
Posting the rumors to document. If true I figure the US spell casters will wait a day or two, maybe several days to frame a story and come out with the official narrative to whip up the public into fully supporting more war.
The PTB think these wars are in the best interest of the western empire, our national interests have been ignored for many many decades. You aren't safe in Australia either, all vassals of the empire will be considered fair game.
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So, any truth to the rumors?
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So, any truth to the rumors?
Nothing I've seen so far.
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Historically America reelects war presidents.
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The only way Joe stays in office is if elections are suspended. Which isn't out of the realm of possibilities considering the direction things have been going toward
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The only way Joe stays in office is if elections are suspended. Which isn't out of the realm of possibilities considering the direction things have been going toward
Some on left saying suspending the election is the only way to save our democracy.
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If they suspend elections, it's time to go physically remove them from Washington.
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The administration doesn't have to suspend the elections when they can just cheat their way back into office.
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The administration doesn't have to suspend the elections when they can just cheat their way back into office.
I think they're worried that cheating that much would be too obvious even by their standards so better to declare a national emergency that with their MSM minions carrying the water for them will be blamed on the right. At least that's what some are thinking not that they're really going to try to actually pull something like that.....maybe.
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Suspending elections to save democracy would be highly on-brand for 2024 Democrats.
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The biggest reason why the left would try to suspend elections would be as a calculated ploy to set off massive amounts of civil unrest and violence.
Just so they can start crowing "WE TOLD YOU SO! WE TOLD YOU THE RIGHT IS JUST A BUNCH OF VIOLENT FASCISTS!"
The only good outcome would be a leftist purge.
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The biggest reason why the left would try to suspend elections would be as a calculated ploy to set off massive amounts of civil unrest and violence.
Just so they can start crowing "WE TOLD YOU SO! WE TOLD YOU THE RIGHT IS JUST A BUNCH OF VIOLENT FASCISTS!"
The only good outcome would be a leftist purge.
We keep thinking they're playing 4D chess when they're just playing chess......while we play checkers
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The only way Joe stays in office is if elections are suspended.
I don't think it is nearly that certain.
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The ever classy left
San Francisco protestors make PIG NOISES and point pretend horns at Jewish man whose relatives were murdered by Hamas as he tells council meeting he and his family no longer feel safe in the city
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12957865/san-francisco-protestors-pig-noises-antisemitism-council-meeting.html
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Dear Jews, you are very welcome to join us on the Right.
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Dear Jews, you are very welcome to join us on the Right.
And while you are at it feel free to join JPFO (https://jpfo.org). They are there for you.
bob
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Posting the rumors to document. If true I figure the US spell casters will wait a day or two, maybe several days to frame a story and come out with the official narrative to whip up the public into fully supporting more war.
The PTB think these wars are in the best interest of the western empire, our national interests have been ignored for many many decades. You aren't safe in Australia either, all vassals of the empire will be considered fair game.
I was being facetious. The world is careening towards WWIII over this and no one benefits.
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When I hear "Houthis":
https://twitter.com/RealCaloJones/status/1745682873825530284
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When I hear "Houthis":
https://twitter.com/RealCaloJones/status/1745682873825530284
Jawas are more likable
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Well we went a-bombing again.
And now Turkey
Turkey launched airstrikes in Iraq and Syria, destroying bunkers, shelters and oil facilities
https://www.foxnews.com/world/turkey-launched-airstrikes-iraq-syria-destroying-bunkers-shelters-oil-facilities
According to the Turkish Defense Ministry, aircraft struck Kurdish militant targets in Metina, Hakurk, Gara and Qandil in northern Iraq. The strikes were in response to an attack on a Turkish military base in Iraq that left nine Turkish soldiers dead.
The targets were affiliated with the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), a banned Kurdish separatist group that maintains bases in northern Iraq, the ministry said. The PKK is considered a terror organization by the United States and other Turkish allies in Europe.
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When I hear "Houthis":
https://twitter.com/RealCaloJones/status/1745682873825530284
LOL I get flashes of Tusken Raiders
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LOL I get flashes of Tusken Raiders
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HA! You're not the only one!
I've been watching The Mandalorian, and the Tuskans show up in quite a few of the episodes. I was reading news about the US airstrikes while watching the episode with Timothy Olyphant (HEAVY Tuskan presence) and that's exactly what I thought of.
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Blakenzy said:
LOL I get flashes of Tusken Raiders.
HA! You're not the only one!
I've been watching The Mandalorian, and the Tuskans show up in quite a few of the episodes. I was reading news about the US airstrikes while watching the episode with Timothy Olyphant (HEAVY Tuskan presence) and that's exactly what I thought of.
Agreed. The Jawas are more like "snake oil" traders while the Tuskans are more "militant", akin to terrorists.
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Not seeing this even being mentioned on US news sites except for Fox
Pro-Palestine protestors violently shake White House fence as Secret Service agents and DC police in riot gear rush to prevent breach: Bloodied dolls symbolizing Gaza's children are hurled over perimeter
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12960689/Pro-Palestine-protestors-White-House-Washington.html
White House staff 'relocated' after pro-Palestinian rioters damage anti-scale fencing, hurl objects at cops
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-staff-relocated-pro-palestinian-rioters-damage-exterior-fencing-hurl-objects-cops
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Unlike an actual insurrection, this protest was mostly peaceful. [Sarcasm Off/]
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Well Israel has certainly been strategically beaten in the PR battle. Those ICJ hearings were very damning and even though no one really knows what ruling will come of it, it doesn't look positive if Netanyahu felt the need to openly brush off/defy international law. Mean while Israel doubles down:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/on-eve-of-100-days-of-war-pm-pledges-complete-victory-dismisses-genocide-claims/
I find his statements surprisingly out of tune pulling the Bush era "axis of evil" card to garner US support, in addition to the holocaust-Nazi argument which I think comes off as a ham fisted attempt at deflection. It's like times have changed they were honestly caught off guard and still have not assimilated the "we are the baddies" role that they are increasingly taking on.
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Mostly peaceful protests.
HADS- hypocrisy and double standards. The new normal.
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It's like times have changed they were honestly caught off guard and still have not assimilated the "we are the baddies" role that they are increasingly taking on.
How in the $^%@ is Isreal the bad guys here. They are supposed to allow their people to be raped, burned alive and kidnapped and the world feels sorry for the perps when Israel fights back? Israel is supposed to provide aid for the population that is attacking them? It is like the world is taking crazy pills when it comes to Israel.
If Hamas cares for their compatriots, they should have thought of that before launching an orgy of murder, rape, and then dragging living victims back to hide in their cities. Now that their cities are being destroyed, they have only themselves to blame. They could end this war by releasing their hostages and surrendering to face the justice they so richly deserve.
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How in the $^%@ is Isreal the bad guys here. They are supposed to allow their people to be raped, burned alive and kidnapped and the world feels sorry for the perps when Israel fights back?
I know it is a shocking paradigm shift where Israel is not the victim anymore and has become the victimizer, but that is where things apparently sit at today in many people's view.
I think that the core of the argument is that Israel is not just fighting back, it goes far beyond defense and has entered into the realm of revenge/collective punishment on non-combatants and it has shown intent of ethnic cleansing and genocide as a permanent solution to the Gaza problem, which has already been under military siege/occupation for decades, but it would be best to listen to those hearings themselves to get a better understanding of how things are being presented by South Africa and responded to by Israel and see if the facts actually support those pretty serious accusations.
BTW the IDF did shoot on sight and killed some of those kidnapped people that managed to escape, which doesn't look too good if you are trying to portray your actions as careful and defensive and not an indiscriminate kill-everything-that-moves spree.
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BTW the IDF did shoot on sight and killed some of those kidnapped people that managed to escape, which doesn't look too good if you are trying to portray your actions as careful and defensive and not an indiscriminate kill-everything-that-moves spree.
That was definitely a major *expletive deleted*ck up, but I postulated elsewhere that it might not be due to policy or agendas but rather lack of training. I had said that while people seem to look at the IDF as composed of 100% snake eaters, they are in fact a mandatory service military, and the people that spent a year in pushing paper, then got out and recalled back for this and had a rifle put in their hands, might not be the most top notch of soldiers you want at the front.
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I know it is a shocking paradigm shift where Israel is not the victim anymore and has become the victimizer, but that is where things apparently sit at today in many people's view.
I think that the core of the argument is that Israel is not just fighting back, it goes far beyond defense and has entered into the realm of revenge/collective punishment on non-combatants and it has shown intent of ethnic cleansing and genocide as a permanent solution to the Gaza problem, which has already been under military siege/occupation for decades, but it would be best to listen to those hearings themselves to get a better understanding of how things are being presented by South Africa and responded to by Israel and see if the facts actually support those pretty serious accusations.
Here is what the USA did in Japan because they attacked us first. Did we face "serious accusations" in a war crimes trial? Has Israel done this yet?
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fichef.bbci.co.uk%2Fnews%2F976%2Fcpsprodpb%2FCABF%2Fproduction%2F_113530915_4_2_gettyimages-566461855.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=1ef7abdbdfdecfe6e35a0753c025e9edddbc5777f576eb9091a43ecd1cd730cc&ipo=images)
If the Gazans did not want to be punished, they should not have elected a government dedicated to genociding the Jews.... which still is supported by most of the Gazans. They need to turn their murdering, raping, kidnapping leaders and then they can have peace.
So, when is Hamas going to go to face charges International Court of Justice for throwing babies in ovens?
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How in the $^%@ is Isreal the bad guys here. They are supposed to allow their people to be raped, burned alive and kidnapped and the world feels sorry for the perps when Israel fights back? Israel is supposed to provide aid for the population that is attacking them? It is like the world is taking crazy pills when it comes to Israel.
If Hamas cares for their compatriots, they should have thought of that before launching an orgy of murder, rape, and then dragging living victims back to hide in their cities. Now that their cities are being destroyed, they have only themselves to blame. They could end this war by releasing their hostages and surrendering to face the justice they so richly deserve.
Ethnic cleansing is not self defense.
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Ethnic cleansing (meaning deporting a population) is self defense when 70% of them want to kill you.
If they won't live at peace with Israel, they need to live somewhere far away.
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When 70% of the population wants to kill you it is.
It’s very hard to engage with your position, because you recognise that these people have property rights and have a right to defend it, but then have extremely convoluted arguments for why they’ve all, as a race, forfeited those rights.
By your reasoning, it would be morally defensible to displace every white person from the American south and gift all their land to black people. After all, they lost a war of conquest, and kept resisting the new government’s racial equality demands the whole way!
If you just swap the races involved in your analysis of this issue it makes no sense to call for genocide like you are doing now.
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I'm not calling for genocide (killing non-Hamas or non combatants). I'm calling for the civilian population of Gaza to be ejected from the area and sent to a new home where they won't be continually tempted to murder their neighbors.
Palestinians forfeit their property rights to Gaza because they committed horrific war crimes against their neighbors on purpose... and 70% of the Gazans supposedly agree with the crimes, and want to keep doing them.
Neither I nor any living white person in Alabama committed war crimes against black people during the civil war or re-construction, so that's a not a rational argument.. If you find one that did, go ahead and take his land for re-distribution. Gaza is full of people who commit and support horrific war crimes right now.
My position is convoluted, because reality is convoluted.
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Not seeing this even being mentioned on US news sites except for Fox
Pro-Palestine protestors violently shake White House fence as Secret Service agents and DC police in riot gear rush to prevent breach: Bloodied dolls symbolizing Gaza's children are hurled over perimeter
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12960689/Pro-Palestine-protestors-White-House-Washington.html
White House staff 'relocated' after pro-Palestinian rioters damage anti-scale fencing, hurl objects at cops
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-staff-relocated-pro-palestinian-rioters-damage-exterior-fencing-hurl-objects-cops
Secret Service Assures Public None Of The Protesters Outside White House Were Wearing MAGA Hats
https://babylonbee.com/news/secret-service-assures-public-none-of-the-protesters-outside-white-house-were-wearing-maga-hats
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That's a lot of razor wire
Dr. Eli David
@DrEliDavid
Welcome to the newly reinforced Rafah border between Gaza and Egypt 👇
Egypt worked around the clock to reinforce the border to make sure not a single Palestinian refugee could enter.
Why so much hate for their Palestinian "brothers"? 🤔
https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1746314132100440392
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Two days ago, Biden told reporters "I've already delivered the message to Iran. They know not to do anything."
Today, they attacked the US consulate and airport in Northern Iraq. pic.twitter.com/npMYZoztKZ
— Greg Price (@greg_price11) January 15, 2024
https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2024/01/15/iran-biden-administration-bomb-n2391790
Sounds like they know :facepalm:
Iran claims responsibility for strikes in Iraq
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4409873-iran-claims-responsibility-for-strikes-in-iraq/
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Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
If there was any doubt she is nuts.
Apparently Covid variants were cooked up in the United States and sent to Gaza…
Obviously insane, but not inconsistent with the standards for Washington Post “journalists”. pic.twitter.com/8e0SbjC39F
— AG (@AGHamilton29) January 13, 2024
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/01/15/really-taylor-lorenz-says-gaza-is-being-slammed-with-covid-variants-cooked-up-in-the-usa-n2391787
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GDwnU0pXMAE35_5?format=jpg&name=medium)
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If only everyone would always wear masks, then COVID would be exterminated!
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Think Biden has the guts to pull a Reagan on them?
SCOOP: Hundreds of US Gov. Employees plan Walkout on Tuesday over Biden's Gaza Policies. **22 Agencies** involved: https://t.co/he1SAxRDsw
— Joyce Karam (@Joyce_Karam) January 12, 2024
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/01/15/hundreds-of-government-employees-to-walk-off-the-job-tuesday-to-protest-bidens-gaza-policy-n2391789
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I know it is a shocking paradigm shift where Israel is not the victim anymore and has become the victimizer, but that is where things apparently sit at today in many people's view.
That's because they are brain dead morons that have been hand fed a bunch of garbage. They also haven't been taught to use "deductive reasoning" to figure out things for themselves.
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Not sure you read that right
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That's because they are brain dead morons that have been hand fed a bunch of garbage. They also haven't been taught to use "deductive reasoning" to figure out things for themselves.
Have you looked at the numbers? Have you seen the statements made by the Israeli authorities themselves? Just asking because I don't see how facts qualify as a bunch of garbage.
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Think Biden has the guts to pull a Reagan on them?
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/01/15/hundreds-of-government-employees-to-walk-off-the-job-tuesday-to-protest-bidens-gaza-policy-n2391789
Huh, my invite to this must have been stuck in the Pentagon 's DEI person email queue.
I'm already at work so I guess I'll stay.
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"The People's Forum". They have received over $18 million from Goldman Sachs.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1746908368021725630
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/01/16/peoples-forum-director-looks-forward-to-when-we-finally-deal-that-final-blow-to-destroy-israel-n2391819
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/the-peoples-forum/
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Iran trying to piss everyone off?
Pakistan's foreign ministry issued a statement confirming Tuesday's attack, which was first announced by Iranian media reports that were later withdrawn.
It called the attack an 'unprovoked violation' of the country's airspace, with the strikes reportedly targeting bases of Sunni militant group Jaish al-Adl.
The attack further raises tensions in a Middle East already roiled by Israel's war on Hamas in the Gaza Strip.
It also threatens relations between Iran and Pakistan, which have long eyed each other with suspicion while maintaining diplomatic relations.
Fury as Iran strikes Pakistan killing two children: Pakistani government blasts 'unprovoked violation' with Iranian state TV saying raids hit Sunni militant bases - before later withdrawing claim
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12971261/Fury-Iran-strikes-Pakistan-killing-two-children-Pakistani-government-blasts-unprovoked-violation-Iranian-state-TV-saying-raids-hit-Sunni-militant-bases-later-withdrawing-claim.html
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Sounds like if the US wasn't over there, they would all be fighting each other.
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Pakistan strikes back
Pakistan conducts retaliatory military strikes against Pakistani terrorists operating in Iran
https://www.foxnews.com/world/pakistan-retaliatory-military-strikes-against-pakistani-terrorists-operating-iran
Who had Pakistan and Iran going at it on their 2024 Bingo Card?
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"The People's Forum". They have received over $18 million from Goldman Sachs.
"Goldman Sachs"... it's like left wing Jews have a death wish or something.
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"Goldman Sachs"... it's like left wing Jews have a death wish or something.
Not unlike many of the other "useful idiots" of the left who are often among the first people shot when leftists gain power. Leftist regimes don't tolerate trouble makers and by that point many of the useful idiots are no longer useful so off to the mass graves they go.
You would think they would have figured this out by now but I guess they're called idiots for a reason
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Patrick Fox
@RealCynicalFox
Reporter: “Are the air strikes in Yemen working?”
Biden: “Well, when you say ‘working’ are they stopping the Houthis? No. Are they going to continue? Yes,”
I’ve never seen a Presidents’ foreign policy failings so perfectly captured in a single answer before.
https://twitter.com/RealCynicalFox/status/1748167369929679223
We're in good hands folks
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Mostly "Exercising first amendment rights"
Reagan Airport
@Reagan_Airport
🔺TRAFFIC ALERT: Expect delays around the airport due to a group in vehicles exercising first amendment rights in roadway. Use caution and expect slow moving vehicles. Recommend @Wmata
to access airport.
https://twitter.com/Reagan_Airport/status/1748795992533565506
Reagan National Airport Warns of Delays Because of Vehicles 'Exercising First Amendment Rights'
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/01/20/reagan-national-airport-warns-of-delays-because-of-vehicles-exercising-first-amendment-rights-n2391982
Excuse me while I exercise my first A rights
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Vice writer appears to be turned on by pirates
Leave It to 'Vice' to Romanticize a Terrorist ... Meet the 'Handsome' Yemeni Pirate
https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2024/01/21/handsome-yemeni-influencer-n2392015
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-deadliest-incident-of-gaza-combat-21-soldiers-killed-as-buildings-collapse-in-blast/
Isn't it weird that all of them were NCOs and officers? Or was something lost in translation?
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The IDF has a significantly different Force Structure that US Forces. Sergeant is an E-3 over there. They also run a more top heavy Force with more Officers and less Enlisted then we do. More like the European forces.
So you'll see more officers than us, because what we'd ahve a Sr. NCO do, they are doing with officers, and you'll see more "NCO"s then we have because their Sergeant's and Staff Sergeants are E-3 and E-4.
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Hamas rejects a ceasefire
Hamas just said that releasing the hostages WOULD ONLY happen under the following conditions:
- End of the war
- Complete withdrawal of the Israeli army from Gaza
- Release of ALL Palestinian detainees, including those convicted of murder in terrorist attacks
- International guarantees that Hamas leadership would be left to rule Gaza, AND won't be targeted by Israel
Hamas fully intends to take Gaza down with them
Think that will let the air out of the protests for Israeli to declare a ceasefire? Yeah right.
Hamas Rejects Offer of Two-Month Ceasefire in Exchange for All Hostages
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/01/23/hamas-rejects-offer-of-two-month-ceasefire-in-exchange-for-all-hostages-n2392082
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And a little local news for me
3 billboards in Louisville condemning Hamas vandalized
https://www.wdrb.com/news/3-billboards-in-louisville-condemning-hamas-vandalized/article_4b0b24ce-ba4d-11ee-a945-5b90905c4699.html
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Oh no, not the teachers!
Members of the NEA teachers union want to revoke their endorsement of Joe Biden in the 2024 election until he secures a “permanent cease-fire” and stops “sending military funding, equipment, and intelligence to Israel.”
NEA members won’t be happy until America abandons Israel in… pic.twitter.com/8hfxPpvxlH
— Nicki Neily (@nickineily) January 23, 2024
https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2024/01/24/teacher-union-nea-revoke-joe-biden-n2392113
These Teachers Want the Largest Union in the Country to Rescind its Biden Endorsement Over Gaza
https://www.thenation.com/article/society/nea-union-biden-endorsement-gaza/
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Interesting. The Gaza conflict has certainly opened up some rifts on the left. I don't see any of those people voting for Trump, but I wonder if either the anti-Israel left or the Jewish left will stay home in any significant numbers over the issue.
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Interesting. The Gaza conflict has certainly opened up some rifts on the left. I don't see any of those people voting for Trump, but I wonder if either the anti-Israel left or the Jewish left will stay home in any significant numbers over the issue.
Just means they're have to print out a few more completed ballots
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Just means they're have to print out a few more completed ballots
... and not give them sequential serial numbers this time.
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ICJ interim ruling:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRsprNTNiNM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/26/un-court-orders-israel-to-ensure-acts-of-genocide-are-not-committed-in-gaza
I think that they are saying to Israel do what you feel you need to do but just don't flaunt it so much in the future.
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Where have we seen this stupidity before?
Quds News Network
@QudsNen
Displaced citizens sheltering in Nasser Hospital in Khan Yunis shared a photo of Israeli snipers' bullets fired at the hospital.
https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1751130327060246599
Palestinian Propogandists 'Quds News Network' Appears to Not Know How Bullets Work
https://twitchy.com/coucy/2024/01/27/quds-network-bullet-n2392248
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GE1DYRjXcAAPR1F?format=jpg&name=large)
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Here we go!
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68122706
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Why do we have soldiers in these Muslim crapholes anyway?
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Why do we have soldiers in these Muslim crapholes anyway?
Is that a rhetorical question?
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Because democracy :lol:
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Is that a rhetorical question?
Sort of.
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I'm reading reports that a Jordanian govmnt spokesman says the attack and deaths happened at a US base in Syria (the US al-Tanf base), not on Jordanian soil.
Is Jordan telling the truth or is the western media telling the truth?
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‘What difference, at this point, does it make?’
WE GET TO BOMB IRAN
Now everyone do the neocon snoopy happy dance!
and don't forget the tissues for Mitch McConnell and John Bolton and Bibi
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‘What difference, at this point, does it make?’
WE GET TO BOMB IRAN
Now everyone do the neocon snoopy happy dance!
and don't forget the tissues for Mitch McConnell and John Bolton and Bibi
Obligatory sound track: Bomb, Bomb Iran (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8hEtI9AI0U)
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Here we go!
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68122706
And of course it those darn republicans's fault
Righty Twitter Serves David Frum a Nice, Cool Glass of STFU Juice for Blaming REPUBS for Dead Soldiers
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/01/29/frum-drone-if-only-wed-have-given-ukraine-money-n2392308
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I'm reading reports that a Jordanian govmnt spokesman says the attack and deaths happened at a US base in Syria (the US al-Tanf base), not on Jordanian soil.
Is Jordan telling the truth or is the western media telling the truth?
I heard from some folks on the ground in CENTCOM.
It hit the Logistics Support Base at Tower 22 on the Jordan/Syria border.
Because all the ME countries do not really get along, crossing international borders with our stuff is often complicated and takes some time. As a result there are usually small logistical bases at each of the border crossing's in the region to allow cargo that gets stuck there to be taken care of and secured until the proper paperwork or bribes can be arraigned. In addition, having little outposts around the region lets us forward deploy critical items that may be needed in combat, and it would take to long to get in from the main stores in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Tower 22 is one of these small bases.
For clarity, Tower 22 is a Jordainan Defense Force base on the border, I forget what they call it. The US has a Logistics Support Base there, and we call our part Tower 22.
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I don't know about you guys but I take comfort in knowing that we have the most capable president in history to properly handle such situations and that goes for his administration who I know all members were chosen specifically for their abilities in handling such weighty matters.
Now excuse me while I check supplies in the bunker.
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Here is a sobering conversation on the topic. You don't have to trust the man, but listen to what he is saying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-unBrF1o1eM
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I heard from some folks on the ground in CENTCOM.
It hit the Logistics Support Base at Tower 22 on the Jordan/Syria border.
Because all the ME countries do not really get along, crossing international borders with our stuff is often complicated and takes some time. As a result there are usually small logistical bases at each of the border crossing's in the region to allow cargo that gets stuck there to be taken care of and secured until the proper paperwork or bribes can be arraigned. In addition, having little outposts around the region lets us forward deploy critical items that may be needed in combat, and it would take to long to get in from the main stores in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Tower 22 is one of these small bases.
For clarity, Tower 22 is a Jordainan Defense Force base on the border, I forget what they call it. The US has a Logistics Support Base there, and we call our part Tower 22.
33.3139640433581, 38.70264493005613
It crossed my mind that maybe Jordan doesn't want their citizens to think the government is allowing folks to bomb their country without ramifications. Plausible deniability for domestic consumption. It's all smoke, mirrors and deception.
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This is fine..
https://theintercept.com/2024/01/30/us-military-ground-israel-hamas-gaza/
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The Jews can manage their own war just fine if the USA lets them.
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The Jews can manage their own war just fine if the USA lets them.
We'll never know....
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That's what I'm afraid of.
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The Jews can manage their own war just fine if the USA lets them.
(https://i.postimg.cc/y88V720t/AP.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
>:D >:D >:D >:D
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Nothing to see here it wasn't Trump
Joe Biden tells the parents of one of the soldiers who died in Syria over the weekend that he lost his son Beau in Iraq.
His son died of brain cancer five years after returning from Iraq.
pic.twitter.com/iQQ9owIptq
— Greg Price (@greg_price11) February 1, 2024
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/02/01/biden-lies-about-his-son-beau-to-parents-who-lost-their-son-in-jordan-n2392443
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The Jews can manage their own war just fine if the USA lets them.
Israel wouldn't last very long without generous US taxpayer funded subsidies, priority resupply and access to US weapon systems and US diplomacy running interference for them on the international stage.
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Israel wouldn't last very long without generous US taxpayer funded subsidies, priority resupply and access to US weapon systems and US diplomacy running interference for them on the international stage.
Interesting. I will say I don't see why we should be sending them (or most anyone else) any free stuff.
What does everyone else think?
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Interesting. I will say I don't see why we should be sending them (or most anyone else) any free stuff.
What does everyone else think?
We don't send them a lot of free stuff. Much of it they purchase. It may be at favorable rates, though I don't really know.
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Israel receives several billion dollars a year in US foreign aid.
Probably so they can buy weapons from the MIC.
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We don't send them a lot of free stuff. Much of it they purchase. It may be at favorable rates, though I don't really know.
Yeah, no. That's not a true statement.
We sell them stuff at a good rate, thenwave the payments anyway. Israel is the top recipient of US foreign aid since WWII.
https://usafacts.org/articles/which-countries-receive-the-most-aid-from-the-us/
https://www.foreignassistance.gov/cd/israel/
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Our tax dollars go to both sides of everything. We are paying the NGOs that are flooding our country with all these patriots that are flooding our southern border in brand new clothes and stuffed backpacks.
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The organization with the employees who assisted Hamas on 07OCT was just nominated for the Nobel PEACE prize. You just can't make this *expletive deleted*it up.
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/02/02/unrwa-nominated-for-nobel-peace-prize-and-nobodys-very-surprised-n2392476
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And here we go
The US conducted major airstrikes on 85 targets in Iraq and Syria on Friday, the start of what will likely be a series of larger-scale US strikes on Iranian-backed militias who have carried out attacks on US troops in the Middle East.
US launches retaliatory strikes on Iranian-linked militia targets in Iraq and Syria
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/02/politics/us-strikes-iraq-syria/index.html
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https://youtu.be/3qYbVQu7YAQ
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Biden: That'll teach those darn German's for bombing the Maine
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That's actually a decent response.at least he didn't bomb Tehran.
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The problem us plebes have here stateside is we have zero knowledge of whether those sites bombed have any strategic or tactical significance. Regardless, the escalation continues apace on all sides.
It very well may be just fake and gay theater for western media consumption.
The war with Russia has quietly escalated as well. The UK and NATO is now openly preparing us for direct contact between NATO/US forces and Russian forces, possibly as soon as May. Including strategic bombing of Russian territory.
In the empire it looks like the rulers have pretty much abandoned even the pretense of reflecting the will of the majority.
The majority aren't really interesting in promoting open borders, homosexuality, gender confusion, the grooming and sexualization of children or war.
Yet, here we are.
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The problem us plebes have here stateside is we have zero knowledge of whether those sites bombed have any strategic or tactical significance.
As has been true of every conflict since the history of ever.
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The problem us plebes have here stateside is we have zero knowledge of whether those sites bombed have any strategic or tactical significance. Regardless, the escalation continues apace on all sides.
This isn't an escalation. We bomb militias in Iraq and Syria periodically, and every time they manage to run a halfway successful op.
We have for like 13 years now
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They had plenty of warning, so I doubt anyone was home.
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This isn't an escalation. We bomb militias in Iraq and Syria periodically, and every time they manage to run a halfway successful op.
Honest question- has it worked?
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Basically it's an endless game of Whac-A-Mole,
Question is are they going to run out of moles before we run out of bombs or get tired of the game?
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We whack a few moles.
They retreat back into their holes & continue multiplying.
The moles pop back up.
We whack a few moles.
Repeat.
Seems like the only way off that merry-go-round is to follow Israel's lead.
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Seems like the only way off that merry-go-round is to follow Israel's lead.
We probably would have whacked a few more moles this time around if we didn't tell the Iranians what the targets would be.
https://youtu.be/RBNN_6w85no
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Honest question- has it worked?
Define "worked".
There hasn't been another large terrorist attack on US soil since we provided them more convenient targets close to home.
There is usually a significant dip in effective offensive actions by Islamic extremists in the region after we do one of these ops. That dip in activity can last for a year or more.
The terrorists we kill never commit another attack.
Oil exports from Eastern Syria and northwestern Iraq normally increase after these operations due to a safer transportation environment.
To say the strategy definitively works or does not you would have to know the goal of US policy in the Mideast, and that is notoriously hard to pin down.
But for clarity, I was only pointing out that hitting milita targets in Syria and Iraq was not an escalation of US military operations in the region, not claiming it was great foreign policy.
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That makes sense.
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https://youtu.be/3qYbVQu7YAQ
Well, that's fairly accurate. After all, it was the "Cold War" for a long time. Then it might be called the "Shadow War". Now it is just that they are coming out of the shadows and piling on as many "theaters of operation" as they can, sowing confusion, like either "3-Card Monty" or the "shell & pea" con.
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The problem us plebes have here stateside is we have zero knowledge of whether those sites bombed have any strategic or tactical significance. Regardless, the escalation continues apace on all sides.
It very well may be just fake and gay theater for western media consumption.
The war with Russia has quietly escalated as well. The UK and NATO is now openly preparing us for direct contact between NATO/US forces and Russian forces, possibly as soon as May. Including strategic bombing of Russian territory.
In the empire it looks like the rulers have pretty much abandoned even the pretense of reflecting the will of the majority.
The majority aren't really interesting in promoting open borders, homosexuality, gender confusion, the grooming and sexualization of children or war.
Yet, here we are.
The majority have been turned into jersey cows waiting to get milked.
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Evidence of indiscriminate killings mount
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/bodies-of-gazan-girl-ambulance-team-trapped-under-israeli-fire-found-after-12-days/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfAFAnvGKAU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7NKMMpZayw&t=205s
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Evidence of indiscriminate killings mount
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/bodies-of-gazan-girl-ambulance-team-trapped-under-israeli-fire-found-after-12-days/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfAFAnvGKAU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7NKMMpZayw&t=205s
Anti-Israeli terror groups have used ambulances to attack Israel plenty of times in the past. I don't know the circumstances here, but when one side has zero respect for things like that, it can lead to things like this later.
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Evidence of indiscriminate killings mount
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/bodies-of-gazan-girl-ambulance-team-trapped-under-israeli-fire-found-after-12-days/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfAFAnvGKAU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7NKMMpZayw&t=205s
So you guys all know right, that just because you wave a white flag, the other belligerent is under no obligation to accept your surrender.
Nor is there any obligation to let people into a combat zone and then leave again, as the men in that video were attempting to do.
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So you guys all know right, that just because you wave a white flag, the other belligerent is under no obligation to accept your surrender.
Nor is there any obligation to let people into a combat zone and then leave again, as the men in that video were attempting to do.
https://youtu.be/pILlitb8Acc?si=nd-XVzKUT2hRQ7OD
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So you guys all know right, that just because you wave a white flag, the other belligerent is under no obligation to accept your surrender.
Nor is there any obligation to let people into a combat zone and then leave again, as the men in that video were attempting to do.
Except that these clearly weren't belligerents, they were unarmed civilians transiting their own neighborhood to safety, or to recover family. The problem here is that the IDF has an intentionally murderous ROE. The clear objective is to forcefully displace or kill everyone in the Gaza territory. The IDF marks an area and kills everything that lives in in it, men women children or hostages. It's getting to the point that it's beyond shameful to even attempt to justify what is going on over there.
Remember this one? They didn't make a mistake, they were following a very clear policy to kill everything that moves. Had they been following reasonable rules of engagement those hostages would have made it.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/middle-east/three-israeli-hostages-killed-mistakenly-in-gaza-were-holding-white-flag/articleshow/106048176.cms?from=mdr
The IDF excuse is that they are so scared and paranoid to the point that they can't objectively asses threats, can't tell what is going on and just have to go ahead and fire on everything preemptively to "defend" themselves because "enemy tricks". Give me a break. Remember that the IDF her is the invading and occupying force. You can't go into someone else's home and shoot everything and claim that you did so because you are afraid the residents might hurt you. The intellectual dishonesty of Israeli arguments is mind blowing. [barf]
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You can't go into someone else's home and shoot everything and claim that you did so because you are afraid the residents might hurt you. The intellectual dishonesty of Israeli arguments is mind blowing. [barf]
You also can't go into someone else's house, rape and murder his wife, kidnap his infant son, throw his baby in an oven and be surprised and outraged when he blows and shoots up your house.
The intellectual dishonesty of Hamas claiming to be victims is mind blowing.
The non-combatant population of Gaza should be evacuated to a Muslim country to get them out of the line of fire. This will ensure no more unfortunate accidents happen.
*expletive deleted*ck Hamas and everyone who supports them.
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So you guys all know right, that just because you wave a white flag, the other belligerent is under no obligation to accept your surrender.
I had no idea this was the case. True? I thought the mil was required to accept surrender, at least if they could do so safely.
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The non-combatant population of Gaza should be evacuated to a Muslim country to get them out of the line of fire.
The problem being that none of the surrounding countries seem to want anything to do with even the "civilian" population in Gaza.
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The problem being that none of the surrounding countries seem to want anything to do with even the "civilian" population in Gaza.
Must be because they are so peaceful and innocent…
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Except that these clearly weren't belligerents, they were unarmed civilians transiting their own neighborhood to safety, or to recover family. The problem here is that the IDF has an intentionally murderous ROE. The clear objective is to forcefully displace or kill everyone in the Gaza territory. The IDF marks an area and kills everything that lives in in it, men women children or hostages. It's getting to the point that it's beyond shameful to even attempt to justify what is going on over there.
Remember this one? They didn't make a mistake, they were following a very clear policy to kill everything that moves. Had they been following reasonable rules of engagement those hostages would have made it.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/middle-east/three-israeli-hostages-killed-mistakenly-in-gaza-were-holding-white-flag/articleshow/106048176.cms?from=mdr
The IDF excuse is that they are so scared and paranoid to the point that they can't objectively asses threats, can't tell what is going on and just have to go ahead and fire on everything preemptively to "defend" themselves because "enemy tricks". Give me a break. Remember that the IDF her is the invading and occupying force. You can't go into someone else's home and shoot everything and claim that you did so because you are afraid the residents might hurt you. The intellectual dishonesty of Israeli arguments is mind blowing. [barf]
War has always been an ugly business and always will be.
Also, you might want to say the same things to the Hamas terrorists that attacked Israel last year.
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I have no doubt that there are plenty of things that the IDF can be justly criticized for. I don’t get the impression that they are in any way trying to fight this war per US, peacetime, suburban ethics.
That said, I also have seen enough of Blakenzy’s posts over the years to not have the impression that he is even remotely a disinterested third-party when it comes to discussions involving Israel. I view his critiques of them as coming from someone who assumes the worst about Israel and is not too picky about being evenhanded or morally consistent.
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Except that these clearly weren't belligerents, they were unarmed civilians transiting their own neighborhood to safety, or to recover family.
Let me stop you right there. 1. Remind me again the uniform all hamas belligerents wear. The one that clearly mark's them as fighters on one side of a war between uniformed combatants. Oh, that's right. 2. Giving them the benefit of the doubt that they were just transiting their neighborhood, and definitely weren't going to notice anything of Intel value on the way through, you don't get to do that in a combat zone. They clearly knew the IDF was there, and was shooting folks in the area. (Hence the flag). Don't FO in active combat unless you want to FO.
And let's talk the flag. That's a flag of surrender. Not a flag of please don't shoot me while I do my thing. You fly it, you go to within sight of the enemy, and then you wait until you are collected, searched, secured, moved to the rear, and likely imprisoned for the duration. If at least the first three of those things haven't happened, you haven't surrendered, and are open to Finding Out. But hey, someone saw a movie once where that worked.
The IDF could go full Sherman's March to the Sea, and salt Gaza on the way out and it wouldn't necessarily be a war crime. This is what happens when you start wars between countries.
I have often remarked that the US military is in some ways too good, as our ability to pick and choose targets and strike very precisely gives the US population an unrealistic standard for how war can be prosecuted.
I had no idea this was the case. True? I thought the mil was required to accept surrender, at least if they could do so safely.
Is true. Because under the Laws of War, if I take a prisoner I am responsible for their safety, and must provide food, water, protection and medical care. If I can not fulfill those responsibilities due to enemy situation, mission requirements, lack of resources, or whatever, I am not required to accept a surrender.
US ROE strongly encourages it whenever practicable, but it"s up to the commander on the ground. If you DO accept it, all US forces MUST honor it, so it bears thinking over.
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I have often remarked that the US military is in some ways too good, as our ability to pick and choose targets and strike very precisely gives the US population an unrealistic standard for how war can be prosecuted
Yep. You also have to have the kind of war where that works as well and this, where the so called civilians shelter, support, and form the manpower of terrorist forces makes it a lot harder.
Hamas no doubt thought they could rely on the usual terrorist SOP of attacking Israeli civilians and withdrawing back on the assumption of facing no real retaliation and gaining much propaganda value from what limited retaliation would happen while the world jumped Israel’s *expletive deleted*it.
They chose…poorly…
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Let me stop you right there. 1. Remind me again the uniform all hamas belligerents wear. The one that clearly mark's them as fighters on one side of a war between uniformed combatants. Oh, that's right. 2. Giving them the benefit of the doubt that they were just transiting their neighborhood, and definitely weren't going to notice anything of Intel value on the way through, you don't get to do that in a combat zone. They clearly knew the IDF was there, and was shooting folks in the area. (Hence the flag). Don't FO in active combat unless you want to FO.
Well if the IDF wants to have the moral high ground they will have to extend the benefit of the doubt to the residents of the areas they occupy and not shoot everyone on sight. There is only so much a civilian population can do to stay out of harms way. Maybe waving a white rag is as good as it gets. Currently there are near 30,000 dead reported of which 3/4 were said to be women and children (arguably non combatants). I think that they have reached the point where collateral damage is no longer a bug but a feature. If Israel does not have the moral high ground what is the difference between them and the people they are fighting? What reason would anyone have to support them?
Israel should keep high moral standards to be worthy of the unquestionable support that appears to be expected of us, yet there is whole lot going on that doesn't align with that. Israel as a sovereign country can do as Israel pleases, but it shouldn't expect everyone to step in when things blow up by going full mad dog. I think they are seriously harming themselves with their approach.
Now there are over one million Palestinians herded into the border town of Rafah. Netanyahu indicated that F-all they are going in hot. Egypt won't let refugees cross into Sinai. Everything I have read is in agreement that it will be an epic slaughter humanitarian crisis once troops go in, the only disagreement is if that is desirable or not. So where does Israel go from there when there is retaliation from other surrounding forces? I think that hard criticism is exactly what is needed to avoid this hot mess spreading.
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1) if Hamas has unilaterally disarmed and negotiated in good faith there would be an independent and free Palestine. Likely a thriving one.
2) if Israel unilaterally disarmed and negotiated in good faith every jew in the region would be dead or a refugee. And the Palestinians would still be poor, desperate, and enslaved to Hamas.
3) if Israel backs out now Hamas will only be emboldened. 30k dead (even if mostly women and children) only excites them. I highly doubt that number, but if real, and if mostly "non-combatants, that's still mostly because Hamas purposely made sure that happened.
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If you think there's any moral high to be had here, you're deluding yourself, and have watched too many war movies.
THe militant arm of the Palestinians has made it clear there will be violence until one or the other is rendered unable to fight. They have also made it clear that they will, and will continue to use "civilian" structures and areas as shields to protect against combat power.
There could have been a two state solution. There could have been some negotiated peace with relaxed *(not none, but relaxed) borders between Gaza and Israel proper. Hamas made it clear they weren't going to do that, and that they were more than willing to drag the civilian population along ith them.
Israel has chosen to believe the rhetoric and actions of Hamas, and are going to remove the Gazan's ability to wage effective attacks. At this point it seems increasingly clear that that will necessitate removing most of the Gazan's. Don't start and lose wars, or your people get decimated. This is the way of the world from time immemorial.
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If you think there's any moral high to be had here, you're deluding yourself, and have watched too many war movies.
THe militant arm of the Palestinians has made it clear there will be violence until one or the other is rendered unable to fight. They have also made it clear that they will, and will continue to use "civilian" structures and areas as shields to protect against combat power.
There could have been a two state solution. There could have been some negotiated peace with relaxed *(not none, but relaxed) borders between Gaza and Israel proper. Hamas made it clear they weren't going to do that, and that they were more than willing to drag the civilian population along ith them.
Israel has chosen to believe the rhetoric and actions of Hamas, and are going to remove the Gazan's ability to wage effective attacks. At this point it seems increasingly clear that that will necessitate removing most of the Gazan's. Don't start and lose wars, or your people get decimated. This is the way of the world from time immemorial.
If there was a majority of "innocent Palestinians" and Hamas was just a splinter group, the Palestinians themselves could have put Hamas down and ended things with good faith negotiations. IMO, the majority of Palestinians support Hamas and support "river to the sea". There is a reason surrounding countries want nothing to do with Palestinian refugees.
Whether people agree with it or not, Israel going von Clausewitz in Gaza, at this point, is likely to reduce death and destruction in the long run. They have been burned one too many times.
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Carthage has not troubled it's neighbors in quite some time......
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Except that these clearly weren't belligerents, they were unarmed civilians transiting their own neighborhood to safety, or to recover family.
I recall the American forces in the Iraq war frequently shot up ambulences and civilian cars approaching their checkpoints without stopping. They didn't want to be the victim of suicide car bombers, and so innoncent people got killed... because the attackers didn't follow the laws of war, and hid among the civilian population.
I doubt this situation is any different.
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Did LeMay give a *expletive deleted*it about the moral high ground when he was burning Japan’s cities and their populations to ash?
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(https://i.imgur.com/YE0pnDK.jpg)
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Israel launched an attack overnight that rescued 2 Israeli hostages.
The NBC news article on it reads distinctly like "who gives a *expletive deleted*ck about 2 filthy jews, 67 glorious, innocent Palestinians were murdered in this cold-blooded terrorist invasion!"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-israel-hostage-rescue-rafah-civilians-palestinians-hamas-rcna138338?utm_source=pocket-newtab-en-us
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^^^
That article I read on it had that Congress fire alarm guy complaining about, "how dare they do it during the superbowl!?!"
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And a little humor in a humorless situation: That Moron Mehdi Hasan sent out a tweet that Israel doesn't give a *expletive deleted*it about the hostages and was just playing them up for sympathy. He managed to tweet this at pretty much the same time that the IDF was rescuing hostages. :rofl:
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/02/12/mehdi-hasan-wants-you-to-remember-that-netanyahu-doesnt-actually-care-about-the-hostages-n2392870
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^^^
That article I read on it had that Congress fire alarm guy complaining about, "how dare they do it during the superbowl!?!"
Yeah, because everyone knows that Israel and Palestine are so invested in the Superbowl that it was a surprise attack because of that.
Jesus.
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Yeah, because everyone knows that Israel and Palestine are so invested in the Superbowl that it was a surprise attack because of that.
Jesus.
I guess my views have become somewhat of minority views in our current culture. I shake my head at both dems and Rs that are pissed off because other countries won't do what we tell them, and that those countries should revolve around us.
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I shake my head at both dems and Rs that are pissed off because other countries won't do what we tell them, and that those countries should revolve around us.
If they don't even do what we tell them then why are we buying them off?
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https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/teenage-newton-gaza-light-tent
Anyone buy this?
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https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/teenage-newton-gaza-light-tent
Anyone buy this?
When they start off with:
AI-generated image of a kid in Palestina
it makes me not want to trust the rest of the article. But maybe Obama can invite him to the White House.
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https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/teenage-newton-gaza-light-tent
Anyone buy this?
No. I watched the whole Al Jazeera puff piece, and was kinda skeptical when he was wiring a 12VDC light bulb into the building's circuit breakers with what looks like 22ga wire. The "Market dynamo for a shekel" seemed a reach as well. Then the news couldn't help themselves and showed a shot of his invention:
(https://i.imgur.com/APMMq5i.jpeg)
That is a pair of [improperly mounted] commercially produced wind generators, not something cobbled together from war scrap.
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So does this mean that the lefties will now say Putin is a good guy?
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/02/19/putin-invites-hamas-to-moscow-for-a-meeting-n2393107
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Active duty airman sets himself afire while shouting free Palestine outside the Israeli embassy in Washington.
In the hospital in critical condistion
Air Force has confirmed it's one of theirs.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13125019/DC-Israel-embassy-fire-protest-war.html
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He died
Pro-Palestine 'Death Cult' CELEBRATES US Airmen Aaron Bushnell's Suicide After He Succumbs to Injuries
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/02/26/rest-in-power-trends-as-us-airman-aaron-bushnell-succumbs-to-injuries-he-sustained-setting-himself-n2393316
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I can sympathize with anyone who genuinely cares about the innocent lives lost in Gaza, or the innocent lives lost in the various attacks on Israel.
That said, I wonder what would drive a person to commit suicide to protest those specific innocent lives lost. Innocent people are killed unnecessarily around the world constantly. What would make someone say "Screw all the other ones, these are the ones I want to die in order to raise awareness of"?
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I can sympathize with anyone who genuinely cares about the innocent lives lost in Gaza, or the innocent lives lost in the various attacks on Israel.
That said, I wonder what would drive a person to commit suicide to protest those specific innocent lives lost. Innocent people are killed unnecessarily around the world constantly. What would make someone say "Screw all the other ones, these are the ones I want to die in order to raise awareness of"?
yeah, I don't quite understand that either. Seems to me there are plenty of other ways to support the people you care about. And there isn't a lack of publicity over this conflict. Someone committing suicide isn't going to suddenly change people's mind about it make them suddenly realize it exists.
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Watching the video, he was extremely calm and methodical from the walk, to pouring the gas, to futzing with a lighter that was apparently not lighting. Sane people have some inkling of the pain of burning alive, even from just getting a burn on the stove. That there was no emotion here is showing me extreme mental illness or brainwashing.
On the tangent, while I understand the tactics of keeping a suspect "covered" regardless of the apparent circumstances, the one cop was starting to look ridiculous by the third fire extinguisher.
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Apparently some are upset that some on the left are using "Rest In Power" to commemorate Aaron Bushnell the AF airman that set himself on fire.
And why you may ask? The saying is for black people
rest in power is for BLACK people. black people have asked time and time again not to use this outside of the community. and every single time you do.
— layla (@laymagdalene) February 26, 2024
It's a nice memorial, but "Rest in Power" is for Black people. Aaron wasn't Black.
— Kristen (She/Her) (@kcotenti) February 26, 2024
Let them fight [popcorn]
Lefties Launch into Civil War About Important Question: Can You Say 'Rest in Power' About White People?
https://twitchy.com/coucy/2024/02/26/rest-in-power-controversy-n2393327
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A United Nations team has found “clear and convincing” information that hostages in Gaza were sexually abused, Pramila Patten, the UN special envoy on sexual violence in conflict told reporters on Monday. There are “reasonable grounds” to believe the sexual violence is ongoing, she added.
According to Patten, the team also found “reasonable grounds to believe that conflict related sexual violence, including rape and gang rape occurred” during Hamas’ October 7 terror attack in Israel, in what is the most definitive finding by the global organization on sexual assault allegations in the aftermath of the attack.
I guess Hamas's own videos wasn't enough for the UN
UN team finds ‘convincing’ information that hostages in Gaza were raped
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/04/europe/un-team-sexual-abuse-oct-7-hostages-intl/index.html
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UN report on hostages disappearing in 3... 2... 1...
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Note the UN report says it did not meet a single victim or witness. Literally.
Latest news has witnesses - Israel is restricting food so that children and the weak die en masse.
I guess all those references to Carthage and total war here are somehow more moral than terrorism, but I’d sure like to see it articulated how it’s so.
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Note the UN report says it did not meet a single victim or witness. Literally.
Well, did they watch any of the video of stripped women being carried off on trucks and motorbikes?
(https://cdn.bulletin.nu/articles/7a0c2069-377e-4fd1-a7e5-39047ad30465/preview.jpg?t=1696761017000&d=1152x648)
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Note the UN report says it did not meet a single victim or witness. Literally.
That's not what that article says. Literally.
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That's not what that article says. Literally.
From the article:
The mission was not able to meet with any victims of sexual violence on October 7 “despite our efforts,” Patten said
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From the article:
Yep. And from your post:
Note the UN report says it did not meet a single victim or witness. Literally.
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Article:
33 meetings with Israeli institutions while in Israel, interviewed 34 people, including survivors and witnesses to the October 7 attack,
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The UN team’s research was also constrained by “the extremely limited availability of victims, survivors and witnesses of sexual violence
Limited is, definitionally not zero. So literally not what you wrote in your post.
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Yep. And from your post:
Article:
Limited is, definitionally not zero. So literally not what you wrote in your post.
Witnesses to the October 7 attack, none to the sexual violence.
It’s clear from all reports that for whatever reason, the Israeli government is not making any direct witnesses or victims available. The number of victims spoken to is clearly and unambiguously zero.
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Collin Rugg
@CollinRugg
BREAKING: Pro-Palestine protesters are blocking President Biden's motorcade ahead of the State of the Union Address as reported by @ScooterCasterNY
https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1765905989973561596
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Note the UN report says it did not meet a single victim or witness. Literally.
Probably because Hamas killed them.
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Witnesses to the October 7 attack, none to the sexual violence.
It’s clear from all reports that for whatever reason, the Israeli government is not making any direct witnesses or victims available. The number of victims spoken to is clearly and unambiguously zero.
So you read a report that starts with "A United Nations team has found “clear and convincing” information that hostages in Gaza were sexually abused and there are “reasonable grounds” to believe the sexual violence is ongoing.", and you focus on the fact that the living victims aren't eager to be paraded in front of the media as proof that it didn't happen? You did catch the part where they mentioned that they found bodies that were likely raped and executed didn't you?
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So, I'm confused...
Because no victims of sexual assault were interviewed, that's proof that Hamas terrorists didn't sexually assault anyone?
So, once again, Israel is 100% completely the bad guy here?
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The UN: Since we found no one to interview that was sexually assaulted it never happened and we only have Israelis as witnesses and we know how they are.
Meanwhile Hamas's own videos show them sexually assaulting women and then executing them + many women often don't like talking about such things. Maybe that's why you found no one to interview. Plus how hard did they even try to found someone? "I walked out of my Gaza office and yelled were you rape by Hamas? and no one answered. See never happened"
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"We didn't expect such consequences for our actions on October 7th"
https://twitter.com/i/status/1765491083612483646
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"We didn't expect such consequences for our actions on October 7th"
https://twitter.com/i/status/1765491083612483646
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
We poked a literal hornet's nest, and it's the hornet's fault that we got stung!
I have said it before, and I'll say it again, I have ZERO compassion for Hamas or their supporters. The sooner they are eradicated, completely, the better.
I really have to wonder if Hamas thought the rest of the Arab world was doing to come marching to their aid after the October 7 attacks.
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I really have to wonder if Hamas thought the rest of the Arab world was doing to come marching to their aid after the October 7 attacks.
A lot has changed since 1972
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So, I'm confused...
Because no victims of sexual assault were interviewed, that's proof that Hamas terrorists didn't sexually assault anyone?
So, once again, Israel is 100% completely the bad guy here?
De Selby logic.
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We poked a literal hornet's nest, and it's the hornet's fault that we got stung!
Probably a good idea to remember that both the Palestinians and the Israelis see everything as a reaction to the wrongdoings of the other going back forever.
"Yeah, well that was just because five years ago you did X."
"Ah, but X was a direct response to Y fifteen years ago."
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"... and then in 1948 you guys ..."
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"But if you'll recall the events of 473 BC when Haman ...."
etc.
There is always a justification for this or that atrocity and it is always because someone else did something. It's part of a feud that I don't see has a chance of ending absent the destruction of one group or the oppression of both.
So, once again, Israel is 100% completely the bad guy here?
De Selby has long since chosen his tribe. Israel will always be 100% completely the bad guy to him.
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There is always a justification for this or that atrocity and it is always because someone else did something. It's part of a feud that I don't see has a chance of ending absent the destruction of one group or the oppression of both.
That is why all the Arabs who aren't willing to live at peace with Isreal need to be deported to somewhere far away. It will save lives on both sides.
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That is why all the Arabs who aren't willing to live at peace with Isreal need to be deported to somewhere far away. It will save lives on both sides.
There is no good externally-imposed answer to the problems the Palestinians face. They have to make changes internally.
Five million multi-generational "refugees" used to living off international donations, egged on by co-religionists and pseudo-co-religionists, raised to hate The Jew and The West, steeped in multiple lifetimes of terrorism, and with a multi-thousand year memory for revenge will be a problem wherever they go.
Unless some of those fundamentals change, Palestinians will never live in peace. Even if they were to accomplish their goal of exterminating the Jew from the river to the sea, they will not live in peace.
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That is why all the Arabs who aren't willing to live at peace with Isreal need to be deported to somewhere far away. It will save lives on both sides.
They're not willing to live in peace with themselves. The Ottomans figured that out and maintained uneasy control by being quite brutal and playing one off the other but playing one off the other only works for so long so eventually with outside help they turned on the Ottomans and then it was the British and France's turn.
If it wasn't for Israel to focus their hate on the past 70 years or so they would go back to killing each other like the old days while Iran, which is not Arab, plots to be the next Ottoman Empire
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Reworded a wee bit
The UN: Since we found no one to interview that was sexually assaulted and then executed and we only have Israelis as witnesses, and we know how they are, it never happened
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Reports that 5 Palestinians have been killed by falling aid packages:
https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1766072007915909481
Since there were five, is the pilot of the cargo plane considered an ace?
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Reports that 5 Palestinians have been killed by falling aid packages:
https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1766072007915909481
Since there were five, is the pilot of the cargo plane considered an ace?
If you're going that route Paul W. Tibbets Jr. is probably an ace 25,000x over
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Do think we could get Israel to accidentally nuke Australia?
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Do think we could get Israel to accidentally nuke Australia?
I must of missed it, what did they do?
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Good retort by Brian Mast. What a horrid woman. She's standing right there and can see what terrorists did to him.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1766162360035590217
https://twitchy.com/coucy/2024/03/09/brian-mast-code-pink-n2393791
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Oh man, that's absolutely perfect.
Put that up on my faceplace page. That should A) piss off some of my "friends" who apparently believe that Hamas and other terrorists are truly God's chosen soldiers, and B) get me banned... again. :)
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Code Pink, that's a name I haven't heard in a while.
Remember when they hired witches to put a curse on a Marine recruiting station? There was a live feed and the witches were out front dancing. Crazy people.
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POTUS announced in the State of The Union that the US would be building a floating causeway and temp port to put logistics into Gaza. There's only two US Military units that do that: US Navy SeeBees, or Army Watercraft Expeditionary Brigades. I wonder who will get the mission?
US officials told the BBC's US partner, CBS, that there are plans for the pier to be installed by an army unit called the 7th Transportation Brigade, based at Fort Story, Virginia.
The brigade is designed for rapid deployment, but the military ships have not yet left the US, the officials said.
Well at least it's only a Causeway, it's not like we're putting a bunch of US Service members right there on the coast in slow lightly armed landing craft.
(https://scontent-mia3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/431902124_3169277389873518_9174359965802702348_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=9z4E5NCPDVMAX_ufTCA&_nc_ht=scontent-mia3-2.xx&oh=00_AfCbX5csd8MCOU8Uq4Rjh-_MI1eyHRpYqDrXyjUsc2vdEw&oe=65F2FB1C)
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/746ec7981f9d4163595eef7fa91e0d06/tenor.gif?itemid=15913480)
If anyone needs me I will be busy not answering my cell phone for a couple months.
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So, we're accelerating our attempts to supply our allies' enemy.
Let's go Brandon!
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POTUS announced in the State of The Union that the US would be building a floating causeway and temp port to put logistics into Gaza. There's only two US Military units that do that: US Navy SeeBees, or Army Watercraft Expeditionary Brigades. I wonder who will get the mission?
Well at least it's only a Causeway, it's not like we're putting a bunch of US Service members right there on the coast in slow lightly armed landing craft.
If anyone needs me I will be busy not answering my cell phone for a couple months.
Yikes, man. This link says Army 7th Transportation Brigade and specifically says "US Navy will not play a role". If true, does that mean you're screwed? I'm sure APS can come up with some diabolical schemes to keep them from calling you.
https://twitter.com/ianellisjones/status/1766212601191510087?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1766212601191510087%7Ctwgr%5Ec6320435c5bb9587be8b13f8a1b0c60423747ee4%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fbrettt%2F2024%2F03%2F09%2Fdod-gives-more-details-on-the-gaza-maritime-emergency-corridor-mission-n2393806
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I'm not screwed yet, that's not my BDE, but we are pretty short of people and I'm not looking forward to any cross leveling if this mission lasts longer than 3 months or so.
I know all of the Officers on that boat though. They just pulled a short straw.
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Garand Thumb did an interview this week with two Israeli soldiers (one of them was Lem from Agilite). Similar to his video with a couple of American mercenaries in Ukraine a few weeks back, but I thought this one was more informative. I watched this one from the exercise bike, so can't remember everything without reviewing, but a few interesting nuggets:
Apparently the popular Israeli warfighter personal drone is the freakin' DJI Avata. Lem actually had some Agilite drone pockets made for his plate carrier and carries two of them. They use them to fly into buildings for recon as much as anything else. Much like Ukraine, both Israelis and Hamas are using FPV drones to drop mini-bombs and as kamikazes. All I can say is that between the Ukraine drones and the Gaza drones, anybody here gearing up for American civil war 2 better get them some drones - they seem to be as ubiquitous as tourniquets. The Israelis are of course using military UAS systems as well, but it was interesting that downrange guys were carrying off the shelf commercial stuff.
An interesting note that with all the "recreational" DJI drones, it gets hard to figure out who's drone is who's, since unlike military UAS, you've got no real onboard ID capability. Which leads to...
I didn't catch the name of it, but an Israeli startup is making some smart device that's in limited deployment that attaches to their rifles for auto-targeting. There's gotta be a lot more to activation and use requirements than they briefly talked about, but an example they gave was activating the smart device, holding down your rifle's trigger, and tracking an enemy SUAS (small drone). When the targeting device has a lock on the drone, the rifle fires. From reading between the lines, it's still glitchy, but they have knocked Hamas drones out with their battle rifles.
Apparently Israeli soldiers have to supply their own pistols. One of them had a G19, the other had an M&P. Both were their normal CCW pistols in their civilian lives. They also use lots of US gear which I guess they also bring with them from home. Sounds very Minutemanish.
Anyway, long, but interesting video, if you have the time for it. Most of the gear stuff is in the first 30 minutes.
https://youtu.be/gdQS97fJY4Q
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I wonder if they are jailbreaking them somehow.
My DJI drones ping some kind of mothership for permission to fly before they will take off. If they are too close to sensitive areas or flight paths they won't fly, and they will stop before they enter restricted airspace.
Seems a pretty big liability for a combat weapon. Plus there's a bunch of RF going between the drone, controller, phone, and cell network. Easy to track. My Mini 2 controller has a 10 click range. That's an easy to find signal.
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I wonder if they are jailbreaking them somehow.
My DJI drones ping some kind of mothership for permission to fly before they will take off. If they are too close to sensitive areas or flight paths they won't fly, and they will stop before they enter restricted airspace.
Seems a pretty big liability for a combat weapon. Plus there's a bunch of RF going between the drone, controller, phone, and cell network. Easy to track. My Mini 2 controller has a 10 click range. That's an easy to find signal.
Did you recently get yours? I still haven't gotten one, and probably should have pulled the trigger before the new FAA rules, but I remember seeing several youtubz on how to bypass the monitor and spoof your location.
Still, as you say, lots of security holes. We were trying to eliminate dumbass scientists from buying DJIs when I was still working. In fact much like what I'm reading about now, there was supposed to be a blanket prohibition on off the shelf drones (especially DJI) for any fed use back then, but a bunch of the scientists would just buy them off Amazon with their personal CCs.
I kinda understood their point, just like I kinda understand with Joe Average IDF soldier regarding SUAS use. I'm sure it hasn't changed much since I was flying G-drones, and I had to take a two week class at MacDill for the RQ-20s, and then we had a whole big procedure anytime we flew them. I can see why IDF downrange guys might just want to bypass protocols, but it's not great OPSEC. Maybe it's not as big of a deal with the guys they're fighting, but I'm surprised the IDF lets them do it.
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I got my two DJIs in the last 6 months. I use them to take pics when I'm camping and stuff.
At work I use the .Gov provided drones, which are completely different creatures.
I've just seen a bunch of COTS drones in recent conflicts, and I wonder not just about OPSEC, but about near-peer adversaries shutting down or just taking them over.
From recreational use in CONUS, it seems commercial drones are pretty heavily nannyed.
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Ben, I think the two pouches on his vest were for drums for the Negev LMG, not drones. I think he said that they had a dedicated drone operator, but he had a different role.
I heard “drone pouch” at first too.
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"POTUS announced in the State of The Union that the US would be building a floating causeway and temp port to put logistics into Gaza."
Why not just a floating bridge to the southern US border?
Everyone else is using that as an unlimited free point of entry, why not the Palestinians, too?
It will make it a lot easier for them to get and and jumpstart their demands that the US recognize their new Palestinian state in the US.
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Ben, I think the two pouches on his vest were for drums for the Negev LMG, not drones. I think he said that they had a dedicated drone operator, but he had a different role.
I heard “drone pouch” at first too.
Ah, I'll have to rewatch it. I could have sworn he said they were for drones, but then I had the exercise bike noise in the background. Mag pouches would make more sense. They're certainly using drones everywhere, but "two is one" on drones for an individual soldier might be a bit much. =)
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In case the three or four people who watched the Oscar's was wondering what the bloody hand pin was all about that some of the spoiled over paid brats were wearing
Oscar celebrities accused of wearing 'symbol of bloodlust' originating from Palestinians 'lynching' 2 Israelis
https://www.foxnews.com/media/oscar-celebrities-accused-wearing-symbol-bloodlust-originating-palestinians-lynching-israelis
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Someone thinks a pier is a naval base :facepalm:
The US has started building its naval base on the ruins of Gaza. This is imperialism in its most naked, barbaric form. pic.twitter.com/gL4pTplkJX
— Paweł Wargan (@pawelwargan) March 15, 2024
Damned if You do, Damned if You Don't: Emergency Humanitarian Aid Pier in Gaza is 'Imperialism' Now
https://twitchy.com/coucy/2024/03/15/damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-dont-emergency-humanitarian-aid-pier-in-gaza-is-colonialism-now-n2394031
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I have a headache and I can't take Advil anymore because that would be racist
The Biden administration on Wednesday reapproved a sanctions waiver that unlocks upwards of $10 billion in frozen funds for the Iranian government, according to a copy of the notice submitted to Congress late Wednesday and reviewed by the Washington Free Beacon.
The sanctions waiver—which has drawn fierce GOP opposition on Capitol Hill—allows Iraq to transfer electricity payments to Iran via third-party countries. The sanctions waiver was last approved by the Biden administration in November and set to expire this month, putting the White House in a tight position as a mounting chorus of GOP lawmakers express concern about sanctions being bypassed. The authority granted in the latest waivers allows Iraq to convert dinars into Euros and transfer payments into Iranian banks accounts in Oman.
Then he warns Iran not to send missiles to Russia. Yeah I'm sure they'll listen THIS time :facepalm:
John Kirby Tries to Explain Why Iran Will Heed Biden's Warnings Even After WH Unlocked $10 Billion
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/03/16/john-kirby-explains-why-iran-will-take-wh-warnings-seriously-even-after-unlocking-10-billion-n2394039
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And now the squids are going to join the party off of Gaza to get that floating dock up and running.
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2024/03/20/navy-sending-sailors-and-ships-to-help-build-gaza-aid-pier/
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The Army and the Navy will utilize the same structure they did during exercises like Exercise Talisman Sabre last year – a joint exercise between the U.S. and Australia where the 7th Transportation Brigade and Naval Beach Group 1 teamed up to establish a discharge facility and causeway.
:laugh: :laugh:
I was at Talisman Sabre. The boats were late, there was a weather hold, and the causeway ferries kept having maintenance issues. They moved maybe 15 individual pieces of equipment over the causeway in the space of 5 weeks. So, maybe adjust that team structure a little.
I'm also not going to flat call the news media liars, I'm sure they are repeating what PAOs have told them, but I have done probably 16 JLOTS or LOTS exercises, with this exact equipment (I've been both Boatswain and Vessel Master of USAV Monterrey which was mentioned in that article) and every one of them needed soldiers/sailors on the shore to place that causeway. You need to dig a pretty damn big pond to run it up into the beach, then bury the end with bulldozers. It's unclear who's going to do that.
Edit to Add: In case anyone googles that boat ^^^, I wasn't on it when they sank it. That was an active duty skipper named Jones. Even though they always say it was a "USAR boat" Active sunk it.
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Staying classy
The Berkeley City Council wanted to mark Holocaust Remembrance Day & fund educational programs for it
Anti-Israel protesters showed up & interrupted many times, calling councilmen “zio-pigs” & “money suckers”
They also intimidated a Holocaust survivor pic.twitter.com/yYXxMjyaMI
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) March 28, 2024
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/03/28/berkley-city-council-antisemites-galore-n2394499
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Okay, wut?
Drew Pavlou 🇦🇺🇺🇦🇹🇼🇨🇾
@DrewPavlou
Hasan attended pro-Palestine protest today and some crazy lady yelled at him and insinuated he was a secret Zionist because he was caught drinking Coke Zero on one of his streams (apparently Coke Zero is ontologically Jewish or something)
https://twitter.com/DrewPavlou/status/1774349093156114930
VIDEO: 'At Least PRETEND!' Pro-Palestinian Political Streamer Hasan Accosted by Crazed Fan over Coke Zero
https://twitchy.com/chad-felix-greene/2024/03/31/video-at-least-pretend-pro-palestinian-political-streamer-hasan-accosted-by-crazed-fan-over-coke-zero-n2394601
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-68710515
Well color me surprised and pass the popcorn
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There's always Airdropped MRE's
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Palestinians kill a few hundred Israelis, reaction here: “Animals! Terrorists! How dare they! No moral equivalence!”
Israelis kill 30,000 plus including aid workers and aim to starve Auschwitz style 2 million Palestinians: “war is hell” “Carthage!” “South should’ve won!”
The Godwin is well earned on this thread.
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The Palestinians/Hamas have consistently and pretty much constantly prodded and attacked Israel over the course of their existent, the whole time vowing that Israel and the Jews will be exterminated from "the river to the sea" and beyond.
And then, when Israel responds to their constant attacks and provocations it's all "OMG THOSE POOR PALESTINIAN TERRORISTS ARE BEING REPRESSED BY ISRAEL!"
Every olive branch Israel has ever offered Palestine has been taken, fashioned into a weapon, and flung back at Israel.
The Palestinian people CHOSE Hamas to govern them. They have CONTINUED to support Hamas despite Hamas using millions in international aid and support to further their goal of war against Israel and its people. By acquiescing to Hamas, the Palestinian people have self-declared themselves combatants and, as such, legitimate targets.
Hamas and the Palestinians certainly haven't given a *expletive deleted*it about conducting a "clean" war against Israel. They have routinely targeted civilians and non-combatants. So ask me how much I care if Israel makes good its vow of destroying Hamas.
I've been predicting a cataclysmic war between Islam and the west for a long time. And it's a war that the west will likely lose, because the west has lost its survival instinct because people like you have come to the fore and there's no longer the will to take the steps necessary to ensure survival...
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The Palestinians/Hamas have consistently and pretty much constantly prodded and attacked Israel over the course of their existent, the whole time vowing that Israel and the Jews will be exterminated from "the river to the sea" and beyond.
And then, when Israel responds to their constant attacks and provocations it's all "OMG THOSE POOR PALESTINIAN TERRORISTS ARE BEING REPRESSED BY ISRAEL!"
Every olive branch Israel has ever offered Palestine has been taken, fashioned into a weapon, and flung back at Israel.
The Palestinian people CHOSE Hamas to govern them. They have CONTINUED to support Hamas despite Hamas using millions in international aid and support to further their goal of war against Israel and its people. By acquiescing to Hamas, the Palestinian people have self-declared themselves combatants and, as such, legitimate targets.
Hamas and the Palestinians certainly haven't given a *expletive deleted*it about conducting a "clean" war against Israel. They have routinely targeted civilians and non-combatants. So ask me how much I care if Israel makes good its vow of destroying Hamas.
I've been predicting a cataclysmic war between Islam and the west for a long time. And it's a war that the west will likely lose, because the west has lost its survival instinct because people like you have come to the fore and there's no longer the will to take the steps necessary to ensure survival...
How did Israel’s existence begin again? Was that by attacking Palestinians?
The drivel about Islam vs the west is no different to what the Nazis preached about Europe vs Judaism. Literally every single bs line has already been spouted by Nazi theorists; if you just change your paragraphs about all that to say “Jewry vs the west” instead of Islam vs the west it would be indistinguishable from their tracts.
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Except Islamic extremists actually do kill and brutalize people regularly.
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Except Islamic extremists actually do kill and brutalize people regularly.
Haha, yeah - it’s a real story this time! Just as it will be when people start blaming a whole race for the genocide happening in Gaza right now.
And of course people who oppose war and genocide are the downfall of their civilisations! They’re not willing to do what’s necessary!
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Is your position that Islamic extremists don't regularly kill and brutalize people? That it's all fake news and propaganda?
That's a bold strategy, Cotton.
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Is your position that Islamic extremists don't regularly kill and brutalize people? That it's all fake news and propaganda?
That's a bold strategy, Cotton.
It’s that Palestinians don’t - at least not numerically compared to the side that came to their land and started killing them.
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Palestinians kill a few hundred Israelis, reaction here: “Animals! Terrorists! How dare they! No moral equivalence!”
Israelis kill 30,000 plus including aid workers and aim to starve Auschwitz style 2 million Palestinians: “war is hell” “Carthage!” “South should’ve won!”
The Godwin is well earned on this thread.
I'm curious what your solution is? Exactly when should Israel have stopped kinetically responding? Should they have kinetically responded to October at all, or should they have opened talks with Hamas? Should they just write off the hostages still being held (as the US has apparently done with the US hostages being held)? Are you suggesting that Hamas is legitimate? The Palestinians believe they are as they voted them in to lead their government.
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How did Israel’s existence begin again? Was that by attacking Palestinians?
Does the fact that a nation's territory was once taken from anther people render that nation illegitimate, or justify attacks against that nation in perpetuity?
It’s that Palestinians don’t - at least not numerically compared to the side that came to their land and started killing them.
If instead Israel had gone into Gaza, killed, raped, and took hostage a bunch of civilians, then stopped as soon as the brutality toll was somehow equal, would you then have cheered on their operation?
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Does the fact that a nation's territory was once taken from anther people render that nation illegitimate, or justify attacks against that nation in perpetuity?
If he believes that, he really needs to boycott Australia.
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I'm curious what your solution is? Exactly when should Israel have stopped kinetically responding? Should they have kinetically responded to October at all, or should they have opened talks with Hamas? Should they just write off the hostages still being held (as the US has apparently done with the US hostages being held)? Are you suggesting that Hamas is legitimate? The Palestinians believe they are as they voted them in to lead their government.
I think everyone who lives in the entirety of that land, all settlements included, should have the same rights enumerated in the US constitution, and they should all be able to elect representatives to govern by consent.
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Does the fact that a nation's territory was once taken from anther people render that nation illegitimate, or justify attacks against that nation in perpetuity?
If instead Israel had gone into Gaza, killed, raped, and took hostage a bunch of civilians, then stopped as soon as the brutality toll was somehow equal, would you then have cheered on their operation?
I believe that historical wrongs can be remedied by giving everyone equal rights today.
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How did Israel’s existence begin again? Was that by attacking Palestinians?
The drivel about Islam vs the west is no different to what the Nazis preached about Europe vs Judaism. Literally every single bs line has already been spouted by Nazi theorists; if you just change your paragraphs about all that to say “Jewry vs the west” instead of Islam vs the west it would be indistinguishable from their tracts.
No, they attacked the Romans and the Romans put down the revolt, scattered the Jews, and called the whole area Palestine. Something like that anyway.
Oh, you were referring to Post WWII Israel and Palestine. I am pretty sure Palestine (and other Islamic countries) attack Israel first then also.
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If he believes that, he really needs to boycott Australia.
This is a completely groundless comparison.
If Australia today denied aboriginals the right to citizenship, confined them to zones in the red desert far away from whites, and then killed them in ratios of 1000 to 1 every time they committed a crime against whites, this country would rightly be a pariah state to the rest of the world.
Today aboriginal people are full citizens and have the right to be and live anywhere. If Israel had abandoned racism and granted equal rights to all religions and races when the rest of the world did, this war would not be happening.
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I think everyone who lives in the entirety of that land, all settlements included, should have the same rights enumerated in the US constitution, and they should all be able to elect representatives to govern by consent.
Where does that leave terrorist attacks and rocket attacks on Israel? That isn't in the US Constitution.
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Where does that leave terrorist attacks and rocket attacks on Israel? That isn't in the US Constitution.
You’re right - the founding fathers would never have dreamed of a faction so uncivilised they’d storm the capitol. Sedition and stripping of citizenship for all! Especially descendants of people who took up arms against the United States! (What state are you from again?)
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De Selby is on a roll, guys. Sit back and be entertained.
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I think everyone who lives in the entirety of that land, all settlements included, should have the same rights enumerated in the US constitution, and they should all be able to elect representatives to govern by consent.
Without, honestly, trying to diss you: That is a lofty goal. I think that theoretically it is a good goal. I would love to see much of the world embrace the unalienable rights outlined by our founding fathers. However, "theoretically" is the key term. This is the kind of theory I would expect to hear from the professor in a geopolitics undergrad lecture. The kind of professor whose closest encounter to Middle Eastern Islam is the Palestinian restaurant in their college town.
Even in the US, to a disconcerting degree in the present, we have citizens who believe things as foundational as the First Amendment should be curtailed and that people should be imprisoned for free speech. Now jump to the ME, where pretty much every time the West has inserted itself to "help" an ME nation move towards democracy, it has failed. Taliban, Inc., and pretty much a large portion of the populations in ME countries (or at least the populations with the power) have, and have historically had, zero interest in "governing by consent of the governed".
It has failed every single time, and religious tribalism has won. They can build Dubais to wow the Western world, but travel 50KM out of that city, and you'll still be killed for asserting your unalienable rights, if they offend the beliefs of the local populace.
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De Selby is on a roll, guys. Sit back and be entertained.
And I'm out of popcorn
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This is a completely groundless comparison.
If Australia today denied aboriginals the right to citizenship, confined them to zones in the red desert far away from whites, and then killed them in ratios of 1000 to 1 every time they committed a crime against whites, this country would rightly be a pariah state to the rest of the world.
Today aboriginal people are full citizens and have the right to be and live anywhere. If Israel had abandoned racism and granted equal rights to all religions and races when the rest of the world did, this war would not be happening.
The Australia of today. How did Australian whites get along with aboriginals 150 years ago?
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And Israel is on a roll...
A roll from the river to the sea.
Roll on, Israel.
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I think everyone who lives in the entirety of that land, all settlements included, should have the same rights enumerated in the US constitution, and they should all be able to elect representatives to govern by consent.
About 20% of Isreali citizens are Arabs, and they can vote. There are Arabs in the Isreali legislature.
The people in the Gaza strip overwhelmingly want to kill Isrealis, both combantants and noncombatants. That's what they vote for. That is why there is a war.
The Isrealis can't coexist with people who literally want to rape and kill them.
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I think everyone who lives in the entirety of that land, all settlements included, should have the same rights enumerated in the US constitution, and they should all be able to elect representatives to govern by consent.
You think someone can or should impose not merely western-style representative democracy on the middle east, but the US Constitution?
You can't even get Australia to recognize the rights enumerated in the US Constitution, friend.
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I believe that historical wrongs can be remedied by giving everyone equal rights today.
Everywhere, or just Israel?
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I believe that historical wrongs can be remedied by giving everyone equal rights today.
That's delusional.
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It’s that Palestinians don’t - at least not numerically compared to the side that came to their land and started killing them.
Easy fix then. All the non-violent Palestinians need to do is expel the violent extremists from their society. They could kick them across the border into Egypt, I suspect if they kicked them into Israel the IDF would take care of things for them. The Palestinians could probably get away with executing the violent extremists themselves and then asking for a cease fire over the steaming corpses of the Hamas leadership.
As you say, they've got numbers on their side.
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Easy fix then. All the non-violent Palestinians need to do is expel the violent extremists from their society. They could kick them across the border into Egypt, I suspect if they kicked them into Israel the IDF would take care of things for them. The Palestinians could probably get away with executing the violent extremists themselves and then asking for a cease fire over the steaming corpses of the Hamas leadership.
As you say, they've got numbers on their side.
That would be what a peaceful society of civilized people would do, wouldn’t it?
But De Selby is conveniently ignoring while comparing us to
the Nazis is the Jews in Germany and Europe weren’t wandering into cafes and onto buses with Semtex vests or launching rockets at civilians. Or slaughtering people at concerts, and kidnapping, raping, and killing the innocent.
But the Palestinians are. Such civilization, such culture, such amazingly peaceful intentions.
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That's delusional.
What else do you think De Selby would say? :facepalm:
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That's delusional.
You've not seen delusional...
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/04/06/expelled-vanderbilt-student-thought-hed-escaped-the-deep-south-n2394815
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I love liberal tears...
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I love liberal tears...
I've never tried liberal tears. I would think they'd be very bitter.
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I've never tried liberal tears. I would think they'd be very bitter.
That's why they're so wonderful, like a pint of bitter at your local pub.
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And, in other news... Muslim crowds chant DEATH TO ISRAEL! DEATH TO AMERICA!
In...
Dearborn, Michigan
https://www.foxnews.com/us/death-america-death-israel-chants-pour-muslim-protesters-michigan-last-day-ramadan
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But, on the plus side, the administrators of at least some colleges are finally finding their testicles and cracking down on these "mostly peaceful protestors."
https://www.foxnews.com/us/college-presidents-growing-spine-universities-increasingly-laying-down-law-against-antisemitism
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That's why they're so wonderful, like a pint of bitter at your local pub.
Yeah, liberal tears should be right up Rocketman's alley, with his love of those bitter IPAs. =D
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(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/be/a9/28/bea9281cb60050927aa87d37d19c1f12.jpg)
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And, in other news... Muslim crowds chant DEATH TO ISRAEL! DEATH TO AMERICA!
In...
Dearborn, Michigan
https://www.foxnews.com/us/death-america-death-israel-chants-pour-muslim-protesters-michigan-last-day-ramadan
They're just saying the quiet part of the dem's plans out loud
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You've not seen delusional...
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/04/06/expelled-vanderbilt-student-thought-hed-escaped-the-deep-south-n2394815
The one thing I didn't see asked is "what the hell does Vanderbilt have to do with a foreign conflict overseas?" Regardless of whether the cause is valid, why would it give you the right to stage a protest anywhere you want?
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I've never tried liberal tears. I would think they'd be very bitter.
Probably filled with hormone blockers as well.
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Crude oil is spiking today on reports that Israel is expecting an attack from Iran this weekend.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/12/crude-oil-prices-today.html
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NO TECH FOR APARTHEID!
https://www.jpost.com/business-and-innovation/article-796410
Google is facing something of a revolt among "woke" staff for pairing with on a massive AI project.
My first comment is that this stupid little *expletive deleted*s don't know what apartheid is, or was, and why it is NOTHING like what South African apartheid was. The claims that it's a genocide are even more ludicrous. But don't expect the woke crowd to actually know things about... things, I guess. That interferes with the screeching points.
They also apparently don't care about Hamas-led war crimes. Hell, they probably don't even register as having happened, that it's all fake news.
And the whole "OMG, we're worried that Israel is using AI in its war in Gaza!!!" They're claiming that the AI target selection program apparently has, as a baseline criteria, acceptance levels of up to 100 civilian deaths.
Of course, the Hamas militants who invaded Israel in October apparently forgot to set that criteria basis because they almost universally targeted civilians and other soft targets. But no, that's not a war crime, that's freedom fighting, or some such woke rationalization bullshit.
OK, let them stop using AI and go back to carpet bombing anything and everything. Problem solved.
Glad to see that Google has at least something of a backbone in dealing with these little twats.
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They also apparently don't care about Hamas-led war crimes. Hell, they probably don't even register as having happened, that it's all fake news.
We don't hate journalists enough. We are at the point that they are memory holing 07OCT, and Israel just up and decided to go into Gaza to wipe out Palestinians.
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You know, it's funny, but in years past it was primarily right-wing conspiracy nuts who claimed that the Nazi Holocaust against the Jews never happened.
These days you're a LOT more likely to see that claim coming out of the young woke left.
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Here we go. This is actually the more in-depth article on the revolting (and reprehensible and completely blind to current events and history) Google employees...
https://www.time.com/6964364/exclusive-no-tech-for-apartheid-google-workers-protest-project-nimbus-1-2-billion-contract-with-israel/
Oh, and I love the "I'm a dangerous martyr, that's why Google fired me" quotes from the fired engineer.
Interrupting a company forum attended by hundreds of your peers and company executives had NOTHING to do with it.
Christ, his ego is just about as big as Hogman's.
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We don't hate journalists enough. We are at the point that they are memory holing 07OCT, and Israel just up and decided to go into Gaza to wipe out Palestinians.
Every time I think I hate journalists enough I realize that there is always room for improvement.
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You guys do realize that I started my career in journalism, right?
Reporter for a local newspaper, then went on to Associate Editor of American Rifleman magazine?
Well, if you do know that, it certainly would explain a few things around here...
:rofl:
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You guys do realize that I started my career in journalism, right?
Reporter for a local newspaper, then went on to Associate Editor of American Rifleman magazine?
Well, if you do know that, it certainly would explain a few things around here...
:rofl:
I know that you're kidding around, but we of course mean the MSM/legacy drones. There are a lot of good independent journalists out there right now that are holding the line against the propaganda. Seems like there have been a good number of them coming from the MSM after being ostracized there.
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Peaceful protesting: Pro-Palestinian whacko is mad that Bakersfield, CA won't pass a resolution against Israel, so threatens to murder the Mayor and city council. She's currently sitting in jail on $1 million bond.
https://twitchy.com/fuzzychimp/2024/04/13/well-see-you-at-your-house-well-murder-you-pro-palestinian-nutjob-threatens-city-council-n2395032
And the Jews are the genocide guys. ;/
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State power monster crushing the free expression rights of peaceful protestors!
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68810053
Drone and cruise missile attack by Iran in progress.
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I wonder if this is a real attack, or face saving gesture like when they launched missiles at our drones based in Iraq after we iced Solimani.
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I wonder if this is a real attack, or face saving gesture like when they launched missiles at our drones based in Iraq after we iced Solimani.
At the moment I'm leaning towards the latter subject to change with more info though.
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I just came back to say that I'm seeing reports that Iran launched between 400 and 500 munitions (drones, ballistic missiles, and cruise missiles) in an attempt to saturate IDF air defences. If those reports are true, that's a much more serious attack than what they sent our way in 2020.
Yeman chucked a few drones north as well.
I know we have an Aegis or two in the eastern med, I wander what their ROE is tonight.
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I just came back to say that I'm seeing reports that Iran launched between 400 and 500 munitions (drones, ballistic missiles, and cruise missiles) in an attempt to saturate IDF air defences. If those reports are true, that's a much more serious attack than what they sent our way in 2020.
Yeman chucked a few drones north as well.
I know we have an Aegis or two in the eastern med, I wander what their ROE is tonight.
The multi platform launch is what I figured, the slow drones, followed by cruise missiles and then the rockets to hit a time on target to overwhelm the air defenses. It only makes sense with the defenses Israel has. USN ROE right now is probably fluid as intel comes in. Right now the ME airspace is shutdown except for that lone guy trying to get to Kuwait.
(https://i.imgur.com/Q5oIcb1.png)
bob
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The Sun has a live feed up of Tel-Aviv (I think). Says the drones are expected to arrive around 2am local. Just check 1:17am local right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ROZE4PP8do
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from 9 minutes ago
No indication that ballistic missiles were launched at Israel, say officials
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-april-13-2024/
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If they're trying to overwhelm Iron Dome, et al, and they succeed, resulting in more Israeli deaths on their home soil, I'm thinking the IDF response is gonna be kinda medieval.
All those tinfoil prepper yuotube videos that came out this week might not be so paranoid after all.
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Just posted
Iran’s mission to UN says its ‘military action’ against Israel is ‘concluded,’ warns US to stay out
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-april-13-2024/
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Reportedly Jordanian jets are shooting down drones
Jordanian jets shot down dozens of Iranian drones flying toward Israel, sources say
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/jordanian-jets-shot-down-dozens-of-iranian-drones-flying-toward-israel-sources-say/
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Booms reported in Jerusalem. Don't know if intercepts or hits.
Now lets see how Israel responds and how Iran responds to that. That will be when the fun really begins.
‘Senior Israeli official’ pledges ‘significant response’ to Iran
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/senior-israeli-official-pledges-significant-response-to-iran/
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Report: Iran fired total of 150 missiles in attack on Israel
ABC News cites a senior US official who says Iran launched a total of 150 missiles at Israel during tonight’s attack.
IDF Spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari says Iran launched dozens of ballistic missiles at Israel, causing slight damage to a military base.
He says most of the missiles were intercepted by the long-range Arrow air defense system. The missiles were mostly downed outside of Israeli airspace, he says.
One strike led to the injury of a young girl in the Negev, and additional impacts caused “slight damage to infrastructure” at a military base in southern Israel, Hagari says. The girl, according to medics, was hurt by shrapnel following an interception.
He says fighter jets also downed dozens of cruise missiles and dozens of drones.
In total, Iran launched more than 200 projectiles at Israel, according to Hagari.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-april-13-2024/
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Very interesting that the Jordanians joined in shooting down missiles and drones aimed at Israel.
According to an article I read on Fox the US was also engaging the stuff fired at Israel and was also in close consultations with Jordan and Egypt.
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Also reported that US and UK fighters were in the air taking out drones.
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Very interesting that the Jordanians joined in shooting down missiles and drones aimed at Israel.
According to an article I read on Fox the US was also engaging the stuff fired at Israel and was also in close consultations with Jordan and Egypt.
I am not real knowledgeable on where Jordan stands on this. I wouldn't want someone overflying my territory with drones and cruise missiles. Pretty much have to overfly Jordan to get there until Iran is routing them around which I really doubt.
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Very interesting that the Jordanians joined in shooting down missiles and drones aimed at Israel.
According to an article I read on Fox the US was also engaging the stuff fired at Israel and was also in close consultations with Jordan and Egypt.
The Jordanians don't want Israel to notice they're getting hit by stuff that came out of Jordanian airspace.
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And this morning, the Biden administration, which is taking massive amounts of heat for its policy and stance on Iran and handling of the overall situation is in full "pass the buck mode" and is working hard to try to convince everyone that this mess is actually...
Trump's fault.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/bidens-dovish-posture-toward-iran-emboldened-tehran-in-its-attack-on-israel-experts
Trump took a very hard line with Iran.
The Biden administration has done noting but try to suck up to Iran and released a $10 billion tranche of frozen assets, money that Iran's cash-starved economy desperately needed, and money that allowed it to likely push internal funds toward it's support of terror groups like Hamas and Hezbollah.
Trump's tearing up of Obama's Iran nuclear deal, which had released upwards $150 billion of froze assets, had served notice that Iran's actions were not going unnoticed.
Biden's re-entering that deal? Hey, Iran, yeah... go ahead and continue to fund terrorism, even terrorism against the US. We're sorry the Orangeman was mean to you, so we're gonna go all soft on you.
As far as I'm concerned, the Biden administration is directly responsible for the October attacks in Israel because Iran, Hamas' sponsor, calculated that the Biden administration wouldn't do anything except offer lukewarm protests and would work to stifle Israel's response.
Iran knows what the Biden administration is doing (or isn't) better than Biden himself. Absolute *expletive deleted*ing disgrace.
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Footage of Iran's attack on Israel... https://twitter.com/LuckyintheSky6/status/1779412302258667718
:rofl:
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"Don't".
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At least one positive from Iran's attack on Israel...
Last week oil prices spiked pretty hard because traders were anticipating the attack.
Now that the attack has happened, and it was shown just how incompetent Iran's GLORIOUS FIST OF ALLAH STRIKE AGAINST THE ZIONIST INFIDELS!" is... oil prices are slipping nicely.
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"Don't".
A friend of mine interpreted that as Biden reminding himself not to *expletive deleted*it his pants again.
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. . . As far as I'm concerned, the Biden administration is directly responsible for the October attacks in Israel because Iran, Hamas' sponsor, calculated that the Biden administration wouldn't do anything except offer lukewarm protests and would work to stifle Israel's response . . .
From news reports I've seen, it's even worse - Biden resumed the flow of U.S. foreign aid dollars to Gaza which Trump had halted . . . and of course $$$ to Gaza means $$$ to Hamas. So the Biden administration helped fund the October attacks on Israel.
And after taking office Biden promptly took the Houthis in Yemen off the Specially Designated Global Terrorist list, making Yemen eligible for U.S. foreign aid dollars again - although the administration (belatedly) re-designated them a terrorist organization earlier this year.
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"U.S. President Joe Biden on Saturday said that he condemned “in the strongest possible terms” Iran’s unprecedented air attack against military facilities in Israel."
Why do I have a funny feeling that his "condemnation" was three words...
You shouldn't have.
Just about matches the strength of his "warning" to Iran before the attack.
And yes, I'd forgotten about aide money to Hamas... er... the "people" of Gaza.
IIRC someone here posted a report some months ago that millions of dollars worth of hard goods, mainly pipe, had been shipped to Gaza so it could expand and modernize its water system, as many there don't have running water (which, of course, is Israel's fault!)...
Only for all of that pipe to mysteriously end up as rocket bodies to be launched at Israel....
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Holy *expletive deleted*it, if this is true...
News reports and sources allege that Biden KNEW about the Iranian attack in advance and essentially said the US wouldn't interfere as long as it stayed within certain parameters.
https://twitchy.com/aaronwalker/2024/04/15/bombshell-jerusalem-post-reports-that-biden-told-iran-only-to-attack-israel-within-certain-limits-n2395089
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(was going to put this in the Babylon Bee thread, but it works here too)
https://babylonbee.com/news/world-in-shock-as-murderous-terrorist-state-ignores-warning-from-impotent-old-man
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Not one saying if true or not but if true I can't say I would be shocked considering some of the bonehead stuff coming from this admin.
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Holy *expletive deleted*it, if this is true...
News reports and sources allege that Biden KNEW about the Iranian attack in advance and essentially said the US wouldn't interfere as long as it stayed within certain parameters.
https://twitchy.com/aaronwalker/2024/04/15/bombshell-jerusalem-post-reports-that-biden-told-iran-only-to-attack-israel-within-certain-limits-n2395089
That's pretty common in these "We gotta do something but not start a full war" attacks. We knew (pretty much, not exactly) when missiles were going to be launched in response to Soleimani. The question was whether Iran was going to do something restrained, kick this bitch off full steam, or try to do something restrained and *expletive deleted*ck it up to kick this bitch off*.
I'd be shocked if Iran hadn't told everyone with a military presence in the Mid East roughly when they were launching, as that tends to keep the other neighbors (us included) from thinking those missiles are coming at our stuff and launching back. I'm also not surprised that the US passed through an ally some version of "We said don't, and we wish you wouldn't, but if you must: for real, no *expletive deleted*it, if you cross [insert red line here] we will be forced to *expletive deleted*ck your *expletive deleted*it up. Google Operation Praying Mantis."
So yeah, that's how this kind of thing works. Putin has probably sent a message to Israel about the response that says something similar.
*Side note: They came pretty close to that last choice. Iranian ballistic missiles aren't the most accurate things ever, and while they were targeting the flight lines where the Predators were parked, they got the azmith a bit off on one string of missiles. I remember looking at pictures of craters that paralleled a flight line just offset, but actually fell *very* close to the barracks/Shelter the US personnel were sheltering from the attack. That is the risk you take when you try a "proportional response"
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All right, that makes a lot of sense, thinking about it some more.
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Reminds of a movie or TV show from way back where someone was beating the crap out of someone who deserved it and a cop showed up said something along the lines of "break an arm or something but don't kill him it's too much paperwork"
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More it's all Trump's fault
Adam Kinzinger Posts 'Emergency Video' Blaming Trump for Iran and LOL the Jokes Write Themselves (WATCH)
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/04/15/kinzinger-blames-trump-for-iran-n2395098
Don't know how Kinzinger sleeps at night with Trump in his head 24/7
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Holy *expletive deleted*it, if this is true...
...it won't matter a whit. The State Department and the FJB administration are no doubt both good with it. The Republicans in the House might start another useless investigation, however.
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Protestors blocking the Golden Gate Bridge and HW to O'Hare Airport
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13311301/golden-gate-bridge-palestine-protest-traffic-blocked.html
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Add Brooklyn Bridge among other places to the list
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13311301/golden-gate-bridge-palestine-protest-traffic-blocked.html
Sure this is winning them lots of fans
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Add Brooklyn Bridge among other places to the list
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13311301/golden-gate-bridge-palestine-protest-traffic-blocked.html
Sure this is winning them lots of fans
Didn't some state pass a law saying something along the lines of it NOT being illegal to run over someone deliberately trying to block a highway?
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Didn't some state pass a law saying something along the lines of it NOT being illegal to run over someone deliberately trying to block a highway?
Going out on a limb and guessing CA and NY did not pass such a law.
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https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1779995263349792818?t=Al7olvi89UvHH8ckfeL5Xg&s=19
Thread with pics of Hamas and Hezbollah protesting in NYC.
I confess I've spent too much time in the sandbox with these fools and that colors my feelings on Islamic extremists, but when I see this I'm ready for the civil war to start.
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I've read a bunch of articles positing how Iran is going to manage its relationships with Hezbollah, Hamas, and its other terror proxies now that they see that Iran's ability to strike Israel in a meaningful way is basically... a farce.
Several pundits said that Iran was essentially humiliated on the world stage.
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I've read a bunch of articles positing how Iran is going to manage its relationships with Hezbollah, Hamas, and its other terror proxies now that they see that Iran's ability to strike Israel in a meaningful way is basically... a farce.
Several pundits said that Iran was essentially humiliated on the world stage.
Safe bet Iran's nuclear program will go into hyperdrive.
Then things could really get interesting
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Striking a blow against Israel, access to the SeaTac airport was blocked last night.
https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/protest-blocks-sr-518-to-sea-airport/281-4bb510bc-b8c2-40e1-8189-90710066aa82?ref=exit-recirc
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Congratulations universe - you win. I like John Fetterman.
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/04/16/sen-john-fetterman-speaks-the-truth-about-pro-palestinian-protesters-invading-starbucks-n2395168
One dizzy broad responded to him with:
Protest disrupts the rhythm of everyday life, compelling society to confront its deepest injustices. By interrupting the ordinary, it forces people to reckon with the urgency of the issues—be it the negligence of our leaders or atrocities unfolding globally— like the brutal Palestinian Gaza Genocide which demands attention and action.
They truly think that doing this:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1779673855415447831
makes people "think about the issues". It only makes me think that if I were there, I'd be removing the top from my Venti latte the better to throw it into the megaphone.
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Striking a blow against Israel, access to the SeaTac airport was blocked last night.
https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/protest-blocks-sr-518-to-sea-airport/281-4bb510bc-b8c2-40e1-8189-90710066aa82?ref=exit-recirc
Few weeks ago there was a TikTok video about pro Gaza protestors attempting to disrupt access to a military logistics ship. Their fellow travelers were applauding them for blocking aid to Isreal
The ship had aid for Gaza. *expletive deleted*ing retards.
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https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1779995263349792818?t=Al7olvi89UvHH8ckfeL5Xg&s=19
Thread with pics of Hamas and Hezbollah protesting in NYC.
I confess I've spent too much time in the sandbox with these fools and that colors my feelings on Islamic extremists, but when I see this I'm ready for the civil war to start.
Having a bad back made me an automatic "4F" so I never got the chance to go in the Navy, but I have to agree with you. These "people" (and I use that term loosely) need to learn about "repercussions". >:D
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Any repercussions just means that America is white elitist Allah-hating racist central...
DEATH TO AMERICA!
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A few days ago I reported about how a Google employee achieved blessed martyrdom after he was fired for interrupting a town hall to decry Google's participation in programs providing AI to Israel.
Today, it's reported another 28 blessed martyrs have been terminated for, among other things, protesting against services to Israel.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/18/google-terminates-28-employees-after-series-of-protests-read-the-memo.html
I love this line... "This evening, Google indiscriminately fired over two dozen workers, including those among us who did not directly participate in yesterday’s historic, bicoastal 10-hour sit-in protests... Google workers have the right to peacefully protest about terms and conditions of our labor. These firings were clearly retaliatory."
Congratulations, aholes, you've just been introduced to several important concepts:
1. You don't have the right to take over space that isn't your as you protest.
2. You don't have the right to trespass during your protests.
3. You just learned that actions often have consequences.
BLESSED BE THE MARTYRS!
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including those among us who did not directly participate in yesterday’s historic, bicoastal 10-hour sit-in protests...
This is their error. All these protestors believe what they're doing is "historic and groundbreaking" and that all the world loves their "bravery". When really, we just want them to *expletive deleted*ck off.
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3. You just learned that actions often have consequences.
BLESSED BE THE MARTYRS!
What a fascist far right wing white supremacist idea!
I thought that was Blessed Be The Cheese Makers?
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Apparently Soros Inc. sends these paid protestors to really crappy acting classes before they graduate and get their "Heroes of the people" certificates.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1780636069479759901
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/04/17/enjoy-this-video-of-a-pro-hamas-protester-screaming-in-pain-while-cops-remove-him-n2395226
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Apparently Soros Inc. sends these paid protestors to really crappy acting classes before they graduate and get their "Heroes of the people" certificates.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1780636069479759901
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/04/17/enjoy-this-video-of-a-pro-hamas-protester-screaming-in-pain-while-cops-remove-him-n2395226
Det cord >:D
Or just leave him >:D >:D
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I'm glad that he went into protesting instead of construction.
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Det cord >:D
Or just leave him >:D >:D
Pick him up, barrel and all, and toss him in the nearest lake or river. Fish gotta eat, same as worms.
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Breaking news... NYPD has arrested dozens of anti-Israeli protestors at Columbia University. They set up a tent city on one of the college lawns and apparently refused to leave, so Columbia authorized NYPD to clean them out.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/nypd-columbia-university-remove-zip-tied-anti-israel-protesters-president
In related news, the devil spawn of terrorism loving Ilhan Omar has been suspended from Columbia University's Barnard College.
I can't wait to hear Omar screeching about this one...
https://www.foxnews.com/media/ilhan-omars-daughter-suspended-college-amid-anti-israel-activism
Of course, one of her squaddie buddies Jamaal Bowman, is already alleging it's in retaliation for Omar questioning Columbia's president in a Congressional hearing on Wednesday.
Settle down, Jamaal, I'm sure that devil spawn was able to get her own worthless self suspended without Mommy's help.
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Regarding the Columbia University shenanigans, the Columbia President was evidently giving testimony in Congress today, and when asked, stated that she, "had not seen any protests against Jews at Columbia."
In the meantime, there were apparently anti-Jew protests going on as she was testifying.
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/04/18/columbia-pres-congressional-hearing-round-up-n2395215
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She kept her blinds closed. It's easy to not see what you don't want to see.
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Explosions reported in Iran
BREAKING NEWSIsrael strikes back at Iran: Explosions are reported near bases housing Islamic Republic's nuclear facilities as Netanyahu defies Biden days after unprecedented missile barrage on Jewish state
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13326307/Israel-strikes-Iran-war-Isfahan-rockets-tehran.html
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At least Israel didn't attack Haifa.
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Regarding the Columbia University shenanigans, the Columbia President was evidently giving testimony in Congress today, and when asked, stated that she, "had not seen any protests against Jews at Columbia."
In the meantime, there were apparently anti-Jew protests going on as she was testifying.
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/04/18/columbia-pres-congressional-hearing-round-up-n2395215
My grandmother used to say, "There are none so blind as those who will not see." I'm sure Madame President didn't see any protests with the blinds drawn in her office.
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Iranian State Media is, of course, downplaying the attack and saying that the explosions were caused by Iran's air defense system.
Iran: WE WILL JIHAD YOU! HAVE A MISSILE AND DRONE ATTACK!
Israel: (swats them away like so many gnats) Hold my Limonana and watch this!
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Iranian State Media is, of course, downplaying the attack and saying that the explosions were caused by Iran's air defense system.
Iran: WE WILL JIHAD YOU! HAVE A MISSILE AND DRONE ATTACK!
Israel: (swats them away like so many gnats) Hold my Limonana and watch this!
In fairness, it's probably easier to launch an attack when you don't have the US, UK, and Jordanian Air Forces shooting down your munitions in transit.
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In fairness, it's probably easier to launch an attack when you don't have the US, UK, and Jordanian Air Forces shooting down your munitions in transit.
To mean, that just means you need to know who your friends are, who you're *expletive deleted*ing with and what their capabilities are.
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"Pallywood". :rofl:
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/04/18/pallywood-palestinian-women-devastated-at-the-loss-of-a-loved-one-in-gaza-n2395269
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Don't worry about it. The SPD is closely monitoring the situation.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Nyhwo5A34Aw
https://twitter.com/SeattlePD/status/1779611541408743683
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"Pallywood". :rofl:
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/04/18/pallywood-palestinian-women-devastated-at-the-loss-of-a-loved-one-in-gaza-n2395269
:rofl:
Acting lessons courtesy of Jussie Smollett. He had to earn a buck somehow.
— Damon Strong (@DamonStrong) April 18, 2024
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Don't worry about it. The SPD is closely monitoring the situation.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Nyhwo5A34Aw
https://twitter.com/SeattlePD/status/1779611541408743683
I actually get what they're doing, but they worded it stupidly. Seattle is obviously a hotspot for violent commie protests, so it's sensible to keep up with incidents in the conflict that will create "pop up" violent protests in the city.
The way they worded it makes them sound like the ridiculous city councils that pass resolutions with demands on Israel.
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To mean, that just means you need to know who your friends are, who you're *expletive deleted*ing with and what their capabilities are.
Maybe Israel has more friends for a reason
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Don't worry about it. The SPD is closely monitoring the situation.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Nyhwo5A34Aw
https://twitter.com/SeattlePD/status/1779611541408743683
Well hell, I feel safer already!
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Maybe Israel has more friends for a reason
Duh!
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Maybe Israel has more friends for a reason
Sure, but it's still not like Israel swatted that attack away like it was nothing. Not very much of that attack got to them.
Besides, friends can be fickle, as Ukraine is fixing to learn about next feb or so.
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(https://yt3.ggpht.com/HXRuXtIOOlj21JdPv4FfNOv0DucGX_-91YUiG1NDjc9ufeEhpMdD7XKYeHZspq2bVa30SEbCzXVUVso=s1080-rw-nd-v1)
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A grassroots uprising with a media team. Also if you've seen videos, almost all the tents are identical. Hello, George Soros.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/anti-israel-columbia-students-stonewall-fox-news-directing-fox-news-reporter-media-team
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I was not inferring that Bibi, himself, swatted away all 300 attack vehicles with a badminton racquet. Yes, many were intercepted and downed before the reached Israeli airspace.
No matter who downed what, though, it was a very clear indication of the limitations of Iran's self-vaunted ability to project force against Israel.
And the Israeli response, as limited as it was, is an equally clear indication that Iran has virtually no ability to stop a return strike, despite their claims.
What's really telling, though, is that after the Israeli strike, Iranian officials, who previously said there would be an irresistible response to even the slightest Israeli return strike, completely ignored it when addressing their nation and claimed the explosion was their own air defense system.
Iran knows they're boned in this situation.
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And the Israeli response, as limited as it was, is an equally clear indication that Iran has virtually no ability to stop a return strike, despite their claims.
Yep, a much smaller attack on Israel's part basically saying "you can't even stop this" may have been even more humiliating for Iran than a much larger one.
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Yep, a much smaller attack on Israel's part basically saying "you can't even stop this" may have been even more humiliating for Iran than a much larger one.
That's exactly what I'm figuring. It's another demonstration to Iran's proxies of just how much a toothless weasel the Iranian military state is. You know the Houthis, Hamaz, Hezbollah, and all of their other proxies are looking at this and wondering... WTA (What the Allah?)
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An interesting article from Fox News on why Israel targeted the site that it did.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/radical-iranian-province-hit-israel-highlights-regimes-weaknesses
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Ali Khamenei could use a bomb.
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Don't worry about it. The SPD is closely monitoring the situation.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Nyhwo5A34Aw
https://twitter.com/SeattlePD/status/1779611541408743683
Well, thank goodness for that!
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Ali Khamenei could use a bomb.
>:D Only if the U.S. or the Israeli's are doing the "delivery".
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Iran knows they're boned in this situation.
Which means the Revolutionary Guard will be out in their speedboats again, harassing shipping in the Strait of Hormuz to show the world their military might.
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Back in the 1980s Iran was showing the world how tough it was and finally made a huge boo boo... they the USS Samuel B Roberts with a mine.
Given that was when we had a real man -- Ronald Reagan -- as president, the US kicked off operation Preying Mantis.
Iranian losses -- two oil platforms being used as military bases, 5 naval assets, and two fighter jets.
US losses -- 1 helicopter and 2 Marines.
The hysterical thing was Iran's response....
They went from ALLAH ALLAH ALLAH! JIHAD JIHAD JIHAD! to suing the United States at the International Court of Justice, claiming breach of a treaty the US had signed with Iran in the 1950s.
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It looks like Iran has blinked. CNBC is saying that Iran has announced that it will not further escalate the conflict with Israel.
And that is taking some of the pressure off oil prices today: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/22/crude-oil-prices-today-wti-brent-fall-after-iran-says-no-escalation.html
In other news, Yale University anti-Israeli protests resulted in riot police being called out with numerous arrests made: https://www.foxnews.com/us/yale-anti-israel-protesters-arrested-police-close-in-occupation
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Cry me a river
Rep. Ilhan Omar's daughter Isra Hirsi, 21, says she is now homeless and starving after being suspended from college over anti-Israel protests at Columbia University which saw her zip-tied for seven hours
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13334881/Rep-Ilhan-Omars-daughter-Isra-Hirsi-homeless-anti-Israel.html
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Aren't martyrs supposed to suffer?
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Cry me a river
Rep. Ilhan Omar's daughter Isra Hirsi, 21, says she is now homeless and starving after being suspended from college over anti-Israel protests at Columbia University which saw her zip-tied for seven hours
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13334881/Rep-Ilhan-Omars-daughter-Isra-Hirsi-homeless-anti-Israel.html
Her mother is a millionaire.
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Aren't martyrs supposed to suffer?
Martyrs are the poor people. Powerful and their families aren't supposed to be martyrs. That's the whole point in being powerful.
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Her mother is a millionaire.
There you go, spoiling a good "look at me!" cry fest
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Cry me a river
Rep. Ilhan Omar's daughter Isra Hirsi, 21, says she is now homeless and starving after being suspended from college over anti-Israel protests at Columbia University which saw her zip-tied for seven hours
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13334881/Rep-Ilhan-Omars-daughter-Isra-Hirsi-homeless-anti-Israel.html
Like nearly everyone in her mother's ancestral land? She is just getting back to her roots.
bob
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Too bad she didn't spend her time learning to code.
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Cry me a river
Rep. Ilhan Omar's daughter Isra Hirsi, 21, says she is now homeless and starving after being suspended from college over anti-Israel protests at Columbia University which saw her zip-tied for seven hours
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13334881/Rep-Ilhan-Omars-daughter-Isra-Hirsi-homeless-anti-Israel.html
I know it wasn't supposed to be funny, but I sure got a good laugh out of her story. She seemed genuinely surprised that when she didn't stop trespassing, they not only detained her and wasted hours of her valuable time, but the school also had the nerve to kick her out of housing for students and not let her eat there for free! As she put it, they weren't "supportive". It's as if she wasn't special and her thoughts of how the world should work didn't matter.
Oh well, she went to school to learn, there's an additional lesson.
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I know it wasn't supposed to be funny, but I sure got a good laugh out of her story. She seemed genuinely surprised that when she didn't stop trespassing, they not only detained her and wasted hours of her valuable time, but the school also had the nerve to kick her out of housing for students and not let her eat there for free! As she put it, they weren't "supportive". It's as if she wasn't special and her thoughts of how the world should work didn't matter.
Oh well, she went to school to learn, there's an additional lesson.
>:D One that is LONG overdue for her and those like her !! :rofl:
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I know it wasn't supposed to be funny, but I sure got a good laugh out of her story. She seemed genuinely surprised that when she didn't stop trespassing, they not only detained her and wasted hours of her valuable time, but the school also had the nerve to kick her out of housing for students and not let her eat there for free! As she put it, they weren't "supportive". It's as if she wasn't special and her thoughts of how the world should work didn't matter.
Oh well, she went to school to learn, there's an additional lesson.
But, like, the rules shouldn't apply to her!
Because she's a POC!
And she's protesting injustice! Using her First Amendment rights!
And he's the daughter of a Congressman!
This is an outrage!
Her actions should NOT have consequences!
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Too bad she didn't spend her time learning to code.
Being a elite protester for hire is less work and pays better.
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But, like, the rules shouldn't apply to her!
[snip]
And he's the daughter of a Congressman!
This is an outrage!
Her actions should NOT have consequences!
I mean, I can kinda understand her confusion and upset. If Hunter Biden has taught America anything it's that family of the rich and powerful don't face consequences. I can fully believe she thought she was untouchable due to her Identity and Mom's position.
Sometimes reality hits you hard.
Although I saw on X this morning she's back on campus in the zone, suspended or not, so maybe she's more right than we want to believe.
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And oil continues to drop since Iran basically surrendered and admitted it's a toothless weasel.
It's now under $81 a barrel.
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And oil continues to drop since Iran basically surrendered and admitted it's a toothless weasel.
It's now under $81 a barrel.
Praise be to Biden!
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I guess that was his plan all along...
His warning to Iran -- DON'T -- will go down in history as the greatest projection of American influence ever recorded.
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I guess that was his plan all along...
His warning to Iran -- DON'T -- will go down in history as the greatest projection of American influence ever recorded.
Maybe in the future we will find out how much money he paid them.
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Yes Virginia, she is this stupid
Note the way these people talk about masking: "my wife wore no mask." There's nothing "brave" about refusing to mask during an ongoing pandemic, meanwhile the peaceful activists behind her are masking bc they have solidarity w oppressed groups and care about not harming others https://t.co/YVCBbDxHBN
— TaylorLorenz.Substack.com (@TaylorLorenz) April 22, 2024
Taylor Lorenz Shaming Man Praising His Jewish Wife for Not Masking at Yale Protest ACCIDENTALLY Hilarious
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/04/23/taylor-lorenz-masking-yale-jews-n2395415
Yeah, because they care about not harming others
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Yes Virginia, she is this stupidTaylor Lorenz Shaming Man Praising His Jewish Wife for Not Masking at Yale Protest ACCIDENTALLY Hilarious
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/04/23/taylor-lorenz-masking-yale-jews-n2395415
Yeah, because they care about not harming others
Holy hell. What a brainwashed moron.
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No, she's not brainwashed.
She's 100% natural moron.
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Maybe in the future we will find out how much money he paid them.
I'm more interested in learning details about the under-the-table flow of money back to Joe's son Hunter, his brother Jim, other members of his family, the various shell companies they've formed, and so forth and so on.
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Maybe in the future we will find out how much money he paid them.
The future did not kill itself
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Rudy W. Giuliani
@RudyGiuliani
🚨VIDEO: A REAL interview we had at NYU:
QUESTION: "Why are you protesting?"
PROTESTER #1: "I don't know. I'm pretty sure there's something about Israel [turns to other person] Why are we protesting?"
PROTESTER #2: "I wish I was more educated."
PROTESTER #1: "I'm not either."
https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1783154103947862364
:facepalm:
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More
Joni Job
@jj_talking
@SaraCarterDC
What does 'from the river to the sea' mean?
What river? What sea?
https://twitter.com/jj_talking/status/1783177127707435141
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GL8sbDvaYAAfdzM?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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Most of the police breaking up the protests are white supremacists including the black and brown ones
NYU Protester Describes the Ordeal of Her Arrest, Assumes Cops Are White Supremacists
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/04/24/nyu-protester-describes-the-ordeal-of-her-arrest-assumes-cops-are-white-supremacists-n2395478
Oh and
they train with the iof, learn their logics, exchange tactics, and so on. Palestine is never far
— Girl Boss Gulag (@monemakkawi) April 23, 2024
Had to look up IOF but I suspected it had something to do with the IDF and I was right
Israel Occupation Forces or Israel Offensive Forces, pejorative terms for the Israel Defense Forces in Palestine.
So apparently she believes American police train with the IDF, sorry IOF
How about we give her a one way ticket to sunny Gaza?
Excuse me but one of my IWI Tavors needs cleaning
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Two threads this have gone in
A drag queen was recorded ordering children to chant 'Free Palestine' during a queer story time event at a Massachusetts art center.
Performer Lil Miss Hot Mess read stories to kids during the Queer Storytime for Palestine event at the Northampton Center for the Arts on April 14.
The event, organized by Valley Families for Palestine, was intended for preschool through upper elementary school aged children.
Lil Miss Hot Mess wore a sparkly red dress, green boa and a large watermelon shaped brooch while reading her book 'If You're a Drag Queen and You Know It.'
'If you're a drag queen and you know it shout "Free Palestine,"' the drag queen said
Cross-dresser makes children chant 'Free Palestine' during reading session at Massachusetts art center - even though Hamas tortures gays
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13347143/Drag-queen-story-hour-free-Palestine-Massachusetts.html
Lil Miss Hot Mess needs a one way tickets to Gaza too.
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Two threads this have gone in
Cross-dresser makes children chant 'Free Palestine' during reading session at Massachusetts art center - even though Hamas tortures gays
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13347143/Drag-queen-story-hour-free-Palestine-Massachusetts.html
Lil Miss Hot Mess needs a one way tickets to Gaza too.
Sounds just like all of the gays and blacks who sport Che shirts and wax on poetically about what a wonderful leader he was...
Either not knowing, not caring, or not believing that he was a massive racist and homophobe.
Of course, they're probably completely on board with the fact that he was also notoriously anti-semitic.
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:rofl:
https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/status/1783471054398140453
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Circling back to my friends, who get to play floating target for tangos:https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-military/2024/04/25/us-led-gaza-humanitarian-aid-pier-comes-under-fire-un-officials-say/
Nobody hurt. This time. Of course the pier's not finished and there's not a big pile of supplies on the beach waiting to be dispersed yet either.
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And the situation at Columbia University gets more interesting.
The CU Senate (policy body, no enforcement powers, apparently) has authorized an investigation in to the school's President, alleging she violated university procedure, as well as the due process rights of faculty and students, when she authorized NYPD to deal with protestors last week.
Absolutely hysterical.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/columbia-universitys-policy-making-senate-votes-for-resolution-calling-to-investigate-schools-leadership
The protestors are destroying it from without, the senate from within...
And in related news, a growing number of students who have been accepted at Columbia are now withdrawing because of the demonstrations and out of fear for their safety.
And in one final tidbit, CU has announced that it has no intentions of asking NYPD in again to clean out the protestors.
In other words... We are Columbia University, and we surrender.
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I can't tell if it's a man or a woman being ejected, but either way, the Georgia cop is handling it like a boss. Freakin' commies.
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/04/27/i-love-this-trooper-no-nonsense-officer-shows-how-to-efficiently-remove-a-screeching-protester-n2395605
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I can't tell if it's a man or a woman
All the above is frequently checked nowadays
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I can't tell if it's a man or a woman being ejected, but either way, the Georgia cop is handling it like a boss. Freakin' commies.
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/04/27/i-love-this-trooper-no-nonsense-officer-shows-how-to-efficiently-remove-a-screeching-protester-n2395605
Scroll down for the Yakkity Sax version.
It's worth watching.
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I can't tell if it's a man or a woman being ejected, but either way, the Georgia cop is handling it like a boss. Freakin' commies.
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/04/27/i-love-this-trooper-no-nonsense-officer-shows-how-to-efficiently-remove-a-screeching-protester-n2395605
It’s a kinder gentler Georgia these days. In the not so distant past the GSP trooper would have hickory shampooed the filthy hippy.
These are the same guys that ram squids off of bikes and then run them over when they try to run.
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I can't tell if it's a man or a woman being ejected, but either way, the Georgia cop is handling it like a boss. Freakin' commies.
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/04/27/i-love-this-trooper-no-nonsense-officer-shows-how-to-efficiently-remove-a-screeching-protester-n2395605
I've been watching a bunch of police pursuit videos on YouTube recently. There seem to be a few standard phrases perps al resort to after the cops finally run them down (often by means of a PIT maneuver):
* I can't breathe
* I am not resisting (as they struggle to prevent the handcuffs from being applied
* You're hurting me
* [and the classic] Why are you stopping me? I din't do nuffin
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* I can't breathe
* I am not resisting (as they struggle to prevent the handcuffs from being applied
* You're hurting me
For the above three, it's like a playbook came out after George Floyd, similar to the Palestine Action Underground Manual.
I especially like how "I can't breathe" is usually shouted out at the top of their lungs. As someone who has been in an out of air situation a couple of times, I can guarantee you that shouting about it is the last thing on your mind. You're actually pretty dead silent as your brain is prioritizing on you trying to suck in some air.
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You're actually pretty dead silent as your brain is prioritizing on you trying to suck in some air.
Brain?
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Circling back to my friends, who get to play floating target for tangos:https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-military/2024/04/25/us-led-gaza-humanitarian-aid-pier-comes-under-fire-un-officials-say/
Nobody hurt. This time. Of course the pier's not finished and there's not a big pile of supplies on the beach waiting to be dispersed yet either.
Now don’t tell me De Selby’s “couldn’t be more peaceful and innocent” Palestinians are shooting at the same people trying to help them. Sounds like they make for absolutely wonderful neighbors and I can’t imagine why the Israelis are so pissed at them.
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Biden White House Blasts 'Hateful Rhetoric' After Pro-Israel Activists Chant 'Go to Gaza' At Columbia Protestors https://t.co/37Sx4QjgZ8
— Mediaite (@Mediaite) April 26, 2024
Has Biden said anything about what the pro-Palestine/Hamas activists* have been saying including things like "Zionists don't deserve to live"?
President Biden Blasts 'Hateful Rhetoric' From Pro-Israel Demonstrators at Columbia
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/04/27/president-biden-blasts-hateful-rhetoric-from-pro-israel-demonstrators-at-columbia-n2395623
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Now don’t tell me De Selby’s “couldn’t be more peaceful and innocent” Palestinians are shooting at the same people trying to help them. Sounds like they make for absolutely wonderful neighbors and I can’t imagine why the Israelis are so pissed at them.
Mostly peaceful and innocent
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Hamas is claiming that the IDF massacred Palestinians at a hospital and then buried them in a mass grave.
Could it be a... lie?
Not according to CNN, apparently.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/israel-debunks-hamas-libels-mass-grave-spread-media-internet-clicks-netanyahu-spokesman
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So, that NY Time's cartoon of the Netanyahu dog leading a blind Trump who was wearing a kippah showed up in my Facebook memories.
So I reposted with a comment about how we're now really seeing definitive proof as to which political faction in the US are the true anti-semites.
One of my liberal, VERY liberal, friends clapped back...
"Don't think it is either/or. Netanyahu is NOT representative of Jews nor is Hamas representative of Palestine.
A cease fire is long over due w/ mutual collaboration to obliterate Hamas could be peace building for all!!"
SNERK! What a *expletive deleted*ing joke.
My response...
"And that's where you're wrong, Lynne. Hamas IS representative of Palestine and the Palestinians because the Palestinians freely brought Hamas into power and have continued to support Hamas.
They made Hamas their government.
Now they have to deal with the actions of their Government.
As for a "lasting peace?" What a joke. Hamas and the Palestinians who support them have made it clear that the "lasting peace" that they seek is the complete destruction of Israel and the complete eradication of Jews.
I can't, for a moment, believe that you think that's an avenue toward a "lasting peace."
She's not yet responded...
She's a good person, but Jesus creeping Christ is she deluded.
And, then we have this article coming out in Fox News today, which I saw AFTER that exchange with her...
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-disagree-whether-party-antisemitism-problem
The difference between the Charlottesville mess and now?
Anti-semitism is now institutionalized and internalized in the Democratic Party with the likes of Omar, Ocasio-Cortez, and the rest of the squad in a way that it never was and never will be in the Republican Party.
And that swings us right back to the NY Time's horrifically anti-Semitic cartoon of Trump and Bibi.
To be honest, I'm quite certain that Facebook is going to come down on me like the Hammer of GAWK! for daring to repost that cartoon.
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My neighbor is flying an Iraq flag now. He’s not the brightest so he probably thinks it’s a Palestinian flag since it’s similar colors.
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My neighbor is flying an Iraq flag now. He’s not the brightest so he probably thinks it’s a Palestinian flag since it’s similar colors.
I take it he's not from Iraq?
Meanwhile Hamas and ISIS flag are flying at some protests.
That should trigger bringing in bulldozers
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I've been watching a bunch of police pursuit videos on YouTube recently. There seem to be a few standard phrases perps al resort to after the cops finally run them down (often by means of a PIT maneuver):
* I can't breathe
* I am not resisting (as they struggle to prevent the handcuffs from being applied
* You're hurting me
* [and the classic] Why are you stopping me? I din't do nuffin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nElOmllQUb4
I guess this one would fall into #4. The officer got things mixed up and did a pit maneuver on the wrong car. At least this is the first I have ever heard of that happening.
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More flag fun
More reason to call in the bulldozers
Libs of TikTok
@libsoftiktok
Harvard students cheer as they replace an American Flag with a Palestinian Flag.
Are you paying attention yet?
H/t @sfmcguire79
@OliLondonTV
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1784583058168906015
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More flag fun
More reason to call in the bulldozers
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1784583058168906015
Or at least some guys with paintball guns.
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Female native american protestor beat up by male hamas protestors. I guess it'll take the left a while to figure out which is the more oppressed party here.
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/04/28/native-american-protester-vs-palestinian-activists-n2395590
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I guess it'll take the left a while to figure out which is the more oppressed party here.
Which one has more political mileage?
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Wake up commies!
https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1784367850322329678
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With universities finally starting to crack down on protestors, apparently a lot of them are waking up to the realization that actions have consequences.
So, their new demand is...
AMNESTY!
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/april-29-campus-protest-antiemitism-israel-us-columbi
MMmmmm.... how about.... No.
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Who knew that all you need to do to put the kibosh on a commie protest is to show up with some bananas?
https://twitchy.com/fuzzychimp/2024/04/28/protests-banana-allergy-lol-n2395659
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Talk that the International Criminal Court (ICC) may issue arrest warrants against Netanyahu and other Israeli officials
https://www.foxnews.com/world/israel-is-concerned-icc-could-issue-arrest-warrants-against-netanyahu-senior-officials-report
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Talk that the International Criminal Court (ICC) may issue arrest warrants against Netanyahu and other Israeli officials
https://www.foxnews.com/world/israel-is-concerned-icc-could-issue-arrest-warrants-against-netanyahu-senior-officials-report
I saw that this morning and am wondering how many countries that Netanyahu would travel to would cooperate with the ICC and let him be arrested on their soil?
I don't know much about the ICC, but have always thought of them as ineffectual, much like the UN.
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Has the ICC issued arrest warrants for Hamas' leadership?
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Has the ICC issued arrest warrants for Hamas' leadership?
In the article they say they may do that as well.
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"They may do that as well."
I'd be shocked if they actually do.
But that at least would give the lil university chillruns something new to protest... international persecution of freedom fighters or some such *expletive deleted*it.
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Looks like the Columbia protestors will be getting a free pass.
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/04/29/columbia-says-no-evictions-lockdowns-over-protests-n2395655
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This is my shocked face
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Looks like the Columbia protestors will be getting a free pass.
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/04/29/columbia-says-no-evictions-lockdowns-over-protests-n2395655
So, they ran up the white flag of conciliation.
Good for them.
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Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
Lissie is an anarchist student who is part of the group that has taken over Cal Poly Humboldt.
In this video, she plants “sacred olives" outside "Intifada Hall”
Later, she was attacked by other students for planting “non-native species on occupied land”
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1784576039328342257
Cal Poly Humboldt = California State Polytechnic University
HA! Lefties ATTACK Fellow Lefty Cal Poly Student for Planting 'Sacred Olives' on 'Occupied Land'
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/04/29/cal-poly-student-plants-sacred-olives-gets-attacked-by-fellow-leftists-for-planting-non-native-plants-n2395660
[popcorn]
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https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1784576039328342257
Cal Poly Humboldt = California State Polytechnic University
HA! Lefties ATTACK Fellow Lefty Cal Poly Student for Planting 'Sacred Olives' on 'Occupied Land'
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/04/29/cal-poly-student-plants-sacred-olives-gets-attacked-by-fellow-leftists-for-planting-non-native-plants-n2395660
[popcorn]
1) My head hurts.
2) "Intifada Hall"? They should be immediately expelled, and where is Mayorkas with his anti "domestic terrorist extremist" squad? I'm labeled an extremist by fed.gov and these aholes aren't? GTFO.
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and where is Mayorkas with his anti "domestic terrorist extremist" squad?
Busy investigating anyone who has attended a Trump rally or posted on APS
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UCLA security guard prevents Jewish students from attending class.
https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2024/04/29/jewish-ucla-student-blocked-from-class-guard-will-not-help-n2395694
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Remember in the other thread where I said somethings deserve a violent response?
Sure, he might be able to sue down the road, if he can figure out who those masked people were, but he can't be made whole. He still didn't get to class. If they dothis longer ought, he could lose the whole semester. Even if UCLA let's him take the class again free, that is time he never gets back. These protesters have stolen time from that kid's finite life.
I know the CA legal system, and the UC system, will not allow it, but he should have been allowed to do what was needed to carry on with his life unimpeded.
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I wish when these confrontations happen the recipient of the hate/attack would counter that if the perp's cause was so just they wouldn't need to hide their identity behind masks. Cowards.
bob
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Given some of the actions in previous days, this gives an idea of how much it costs for the US Navy to shoot down drones.
US needs cheaper ways to shoot down drones, Pentagon acquisition chief says
https://taskandpurpose.com/tech-tactics/counter-drone-weapons-cost/?utm_term=Task%26Purpose_Today_04.29.24&utm_campaign=Task%20%26%20Purpose_TPToday_Actives_Dynamic&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email
Since October, American forces in the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden have been shooting down Houthi one-way attack drones and missiles fired from Yemen or before they can be launched. By mid-December 2023, that was at more than three dozen shootdowns. This spring there have been more than 130. The U.S. military has not shared all of the details of what weapons are used in these operations, but the Standard Missile-2, a medium-range surface-to-air missile can cost $2.1 million per shot. After several months of shooting down UAS, that bill is likely high and feeding into the Pentagon’s efforts to find cheaper, cost-cutting alternatives.
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Given some of the actions in previous days, this gives an idea of how much it costs for the US Navy to shoot down drones.
US needs cheaper ways to shoot down drones, Pentagon acquisition chief says
https://taskandpurpose.com/tech-tactics/counter-drone-weapons-cost/?utm_term=Task%26Purpose_Today_04.29.24&utm_campaign=Task%20%26%20Purpose_TPToday_Actives_Dynamic&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email
I know a guy working on directed energy systems for that purpose.
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Meanwhile at “Intifada Hall”
They're trashing the place
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1784282619481383342
Cal Poly Shuts Down Its Campus Until Autumn After Students Trash 'Intifada Hall'
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/04/29/cal-poly-shuts-down-its-campus-until-autumn-after-students-trash-intifada-hall-n2395698
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but he can't be made whole. He still didn't get to class. If they dothis longer ought, he could lose the whole semester. Even if UCLA let's him take the class again free, that is time he never gets back. These protesters have stolen time from that kid's finite life.
Interestingly, I saw a snippet on the news this morning from a Congressional hearing where this point exactly was argued - that the hamas kids were committing theft among their other crimes by stealing the education other students were paying for. Because Brtandon certainly isn't talking about jewish student loan forgiveness.
Additionally I saw that at Columbia, the hamas kids took over a building and have been destroying it. This is pretty much what the left said 06JAN protestors did. Hamas is a documented terrorist organization. All these kids need 20 year prison sentences. Out of equity.
Also I made the mistake of reading a few Reddit threads on this nationwide debacle this morning. Probably 90% of the comments are sympathetic to the students, calling them "intelligent and brave".
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. Probably 90% of the comments are sympathetic to the students, calling them "intelligent and brave".
In a world where insanity is the new normal dumb is the new smart
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Additionally I saw that at Columbia, the hamas kids took over a building and have been destroying it. This is pretty much what the left said 06JAN protestors did. Hamas is a documented terrorist organization. All these kids need 20 year prison sentences. Out of equity.
Pictures
Anti-Israel activists smash through windows to seize historic building on Columbia University campus and say they won't leave until 'all of their demands are met'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13365637/columbia-students-hamilton-hall-israel-protest.html
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But, I thought Columbia already surrendered to them?
They have more demands?
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But, I thought Columbia already surrendered to them?
They have more demands?
I think Columbia offered them amnesty if they packed up and left, they didn't. From what I've gathered they want Columbia to give them amnesty with no conditions. In other words they want their cake and eat it too.
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The Jews are attacking with attack mice and the mice have been injected with..... something!
Moments ago Zionists through a backpack full of mice into the #UCLA encampment. Mice appear to have been injected with something. School admin is not protecting students. @SanaSaeed @PplsCityCouncil @AJEnglish @CAIRNational @abierkhatib @SuppressedNws @BTnewsroom @ACatWithNews pic.twitter.com/TyBxFuDv9f
— Sabiha Khan (@SabihaKhan) April 29, 2024
https://twitter.com/SabihaKhan/status/1784893820343328862
IT'S A DIABOLICAL ZIONIST PLOT: Twitter Laughs as Student Releases White Mice in UCLA Encampment
https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2024/04/30/its-a-diabolical-zionist-plot-pro-israel-student-releases-white-mice-in-ucla-encampment-n2395704
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Columbia's campus is mostly surrounded by walls and fencing. I wonder how hard it would be for some enterprising folks with portable welding rigs to just go around one night and weld all the gates shut and close off access in or out of the campus? You know, in solidarity with Gaza. >:D
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The Jews are attacking with attack mice and the mice have been injected with..... something!
https://twitter.com/SabihaKhan/status/1784893820343328862
IT'S A DIABOLICAL ZIONIST PLOT: Twitter Laughs as Student Releases White Mice in UCLA Encampment
https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2024/04/30/its-a-diabolical-zionist-plot-pro-israel-student-releases-white-mice-in-ucla-encampment-n2395704
[Please be Plague Rats. Please be Plague Rats. Please be Plague Rats. ]
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(https://static.miraheze.org/greatcharacterswiki/thumb/e/eb/Pinky_and_the_Brain.jpg/800px-Pinky_and_the_Brain.jpg)
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Waiting on the Babylon Bee to top that
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Mice appear to have been injected with something.
Maybe they were smeared in banana oil.
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You've got to be *expletive deleted*ing kidding me.
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/04/30/northwestern-announces-full-ride-scholarships-for-palestinian-students-n2395737
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You've got to be *expletive deleted*ing kidding me.
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/04/30/northwestern-announces-full-ride-scholarships-for-palestinian-students-n2395737
Well I hope they learned their lesson*
*Throw a destructive temper tantrum and get what you want and more.
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Columbia University faculty receive notice of ‘imminent police action’
NYPD officers in riot gear move in on Columbia University where protesters have occupied building
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/april-29-campus-protest-antiemitism-israel-us-columbi
Nothing yet but a live feed just in case https://www.foxnews.com/video/6352032488112
[popcorn]
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Another https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRqG-NhZ_2c
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Riot police also raided an encampment at UCLA after the anti-semites there got violent.
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/riot-police-at-ucla-campus-close-in-after-night-of-violent-anti-israel-clashes
There were other police actions around the country to clear out encampments, as well.
Oh, and OAC is screeching about how Columbia and the NYPD will be held responsible if any of the poor lil 'chillruns are harmed during the illegal, vicious, anti-First Amendment Trump-led fascist Nazi assault.
OK, maybe she didn't actually say all of that, but we know that's what she's thinking.
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"It's finals! Can I go home?!"
https://twitter.com/NickFondacaro/status/1785489880308424715
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Oh, and OAC is screeching about how Columbia and the NYPD will be held responsible if any of the poor lil 'chillruns are harmed during the illegal, vicious, anti-First Amendment Trump-led fascist Nazi assault.
OK, maybe she didn't actually say all of that, but we know that's what she's thinking.
The fact that she keeps calling them "kids" tells us a good deal about what she's thinking.
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Some good ones in this one
9 Highly Effective Ways To Remove Protesters From Your Campus
https://babylonbee.com/news/8-ways-to-remove-protesters-from-your-campus
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We had some Pro-Palestinian folks try to set up camp on the University of South Florida capus in Tampa yesterday. I'm not suprised, as we have a HUGE muslim immigrant population in the area.
I saw some twitter video of the response from local LE, and it honestly looked like they realized most of their tear gas canisters were about to expire, and they had to use them all up this week. Word around town is USF is looking to expel anyone that tried to camp as opposed to just protesting.
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Some goods one in this one
9 Highly Effective Ways To Remove Protesters From Your Campus
https://babylonbee.com/news/8-ways-to-remove-protesters-from-your-campus
Actually, all of those sound to be actual, viable, methods of dealing with the protestors.
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We had some Pro-Palestinian folks try to set up camp on the University of South Florida capus in Tampa yesterday. I'm not suprised, as we have a HUGE muslim immigrant population in the area.
I saw some twitter video of the response from local LE, and it honestly looked like they realized most of their tear gas canisters were about to expire, and they had to use them all up this week. Word around town is USF is looking to expel anyone that tried to camp as opposed to just protesting.
Always be sure to rotate your stock to maintain peak freshness.
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We had some Pro-Palestinian folks try to set up camp on the University of South Florida capus in Tampa yesterday. I'm not suprised, as we have a HUGE muslim immigrant population in the area.
I saw some twitter video of the response from local LE, and it honestly looked like they realized most of their tear gas canisters were about to expire, and they had to use them all up this week. Word around town is USF is looking to expel anyone that tried to camp as opposed to just protesting.
Those are both completely appropriate responses. I love it.
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We had some Pro-Palestinian folks try to set up camp on the University of South Florida capus in Tampa yesterday. I'm not suprised, as we have a HUGE muslim immigrant population in the area.
I saw some twitter video of the response from local LE, and it honestly looked like they realized most of their tear gas canisters were about to expire, and they had to use them all up this week. Word around town is USF is looking to expel anyone that tried to camp as opposed to just protesting.
That's awesome.
Of course the big problem is that the most obnoxious of the protestors are in deep blue states, so the ones that need to breathe the CS the most probably won't get the FAFO. While NY and CA are slowly at least responding a little, it has been more "polite". Most know I'm not big on police state vibes, but these commie pinkos absolutely need some jackboot marks on their heads.
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Actually, all of those sound to be actual, viable, methods of dealing with the protestors.
They left out mice
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Expects free, sorry meal plan, food to be delivered to them.
Talk about entitled
A Columbia University graduate student went viral online after telling members of the media that protesters were at risk of dying or becoming severely ill if authorities did not deliver food and water to them.
"First of all, we're saying that they're obligated to provide food to students who pay for a meal plan here," the student told reporters when asked about Columbia's role providing food access for students occupying the campus building Hamilton Hall.
The student is reported to be Johannah King-Slutzky, an instructor and Ph.D. candidate at Columbia, according to National Review.
Columbia student mocked for viral video telling reporters that occupiers might die without food delivery
https://www.foxnews.com/media/columbia-student-mocked-viral-video-telling-reporters-occupiers-might-die-without-food-delivery
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Love this comment...
Every good revolutionary knows you have to pack snacks.
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Expects free, sorry meal plan, food to be delivered to them.
Talk about entitled
Columbia student mocked for viral video telling reporters that occupiers might die without food delivery
https://www.foxnews.com/media/columbia-student-mocked-viral-video-telling-reporters-occupiers-might-die-without-food-delivery
Enter the Babylon Bee :rofl:
History Repeats Itself As Communists Run Out Of Food
https://babylonbee.com/news/history-repeats-itself-as-communists-run-out-of-food
"Man, why didn't we take over the food court?" lamented protestor Drake Jones. "I'm so hungry. I haven't had Chipotle in almost eight hours now! Still, I bet the people of Gaza are inspired by our sacrifice."
As of publishing time, the protestors had told onlookers that true communism hadn't been tried and that they were going to start a new, even better collective one building over.
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Bill Melugin
@BillMelugin_
NEW: @FoxNews
has obtained a Google Doc w/ a list of needs that protesters at the UCLA camp are requesting, including:
- Vegan & gluten free food
- “Super bright” flashlights w/ strobe
- Rope & zip ties
- Helmets, shields, & wood
- Lotion, “NO sunscreen”
- Knee & elbow pads
https://twitter.com/BillMelugin_/status/1785742010139488524
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMg65HObkAAg3fZ?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMg65HOaUAAzpkX?format=jpg&name=medium)
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Had to look up BDS compliant
https://bdsmovement.net/what-is-bds
Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) is a Palestinian-led movement for freedom, justice and equality. BDS upholds the simple principle that Palestinians are entitled to the same rights as the rest of humanity.
Israel is occupying and colonising Palestinian land, discriminating against Palestinian citizens of Israel and denying Palestinian refugees the right to return to their homes. Inspired by the South African anti-apartheid movement, the BDS call urges action to pressure Israel to comply with international law.
BDS is now a vibrant global movement made up of unions, academic associations, churches and grassroots movements across the world. Since its launch in 2005, BDS is having a major impact and is effectively challenging international support for Israeli apartheid and settler-colonialism.
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Hey man, that hot food for lunch is super important. Also, they don't seem to be saving the environment with all those battery requests. Also, make sure those bad ass warriors get their inhalers. :rofl:
https://youtu.be/eJERBUXfvHc?t=36
Edit: I almost overlooked it: "Utility gloves for small hands". :rofl:
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No coffee? I'm out of the protest now.
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No coffee? I'm out of the protest now.
Yeah me too.
Notice the no bagels?
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If I was there I would whip up a bunch of Sufganiyah for them. Then in the bottom of the box wish them all a Happy Hanukkah. At least it isn't bagels.
bob
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Armbands are a thing again.
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/05/01/ucla-wristbands-for-anti-israel-students-to-enter-buildings-n2395761
The photos are becoming identical to 1939 Germany. I hope the entire University of California system is sued into oblivion.
Biden has yet to say a word, though when asked today, his press secretary reminded everyone that he spoke out about Charlottesville.
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Biden has yet to say a word, though when asked today, his press secretary reminded everyone that he spoke out about Charlottesville.
Yep, read the scripted "assault weapons" ban call
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Armbands are a thing again.
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/05/01/ucla-wristbands-for-anti-israel-students-to-enter-buildings-n2395761
The photos are becoming identical to 1939 Germany. I hope the entire University of California system is sued into oblivion.
Biden has yet to say a word, though when asked today, his press secretary reminded everyone that he spoke out about Charlottesville.
Just checking in again on where we stand on violence against speech thing.....
If some masked "student" just rolled up with an Asp and beat the shot out of those wannabe Stasi gate guards I would fail to be outraged again.
I promise you those commies are planning their use of force.
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Edit: I almost overlooked it: "Utility gloves for small hands". :rofl:
They also need fingercots. They're totally not gonna be used for condoms. :P
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Edit: I almost overlooked it: "Utility gloves for small hands". :rofl:
High % of women in the protests
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In a bit of make you feel better news:
Commies at UNC Chapel Hill tried to do the "cut down the American Flag and replace it with the Palestinian flag" thing, and some frat boys objected, kept Old Glory from hitting the ground, and put it back up the pole.
(https://images.gofundme.com/iaj61eqjm0b-rJc4B06Vr4-WTRs=/720x405/https://d2g8igdw686xgo.cloudfront.net/79849885_1714571972425345_r.jpeg)
Just to drive home to the Commies how much everyone hates their stunts, someone started a gofundme to throw that frat a party. At the time of this post 7000 people have donated $217,000 to buy those kids a beer.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/pi-kappa-phi-men-defended-their-flag-throw-em-a-rager
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Expects free, sorry meal plan, food to be delivered to them.
Talk about entitled
Columbia student mocked for viral video telling reporters that occupiers might die without food delivery
https://www.foxnews.com/media/columbia-student-mocked-viral-video-telling-reporters-occupiers-might-die-without-food-delivery
Show me where the student meal plan includes room service -- through a police line.
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Would love to see a water bomber come roaring in about now
LIVE: Students at the UCLA campus in Los Angeles protest war in Gaza
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T05J0vNEb4Q
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See how much of that live feed you can take. [barf]
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Local ABC reporting hundreds of police on the move [popcorn]
Another live feed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR9Wt-lOgxo
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Helicopter view https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPt02B0MmKM
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Looks like the police are flanking them through the buildings
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In a bit of make you feel better news:
Commies at UNC Chapel Hill tried to do the "cut down the American Flag and replace it with the Palestinian flag" thing, and some frat boys objected, kept Old Glory from hitting the ground, and put it back up the pole.
Between the frat boys and the "Lotion NOT SUNSCREEN!!!!!!!" crowd, I want the frat boys next to me in the foxhole during Civil War 2.
Looks like their gofundme is well North of $300K now. I would crack up if they used like $5K for a major rager, donated like $95K to their frat, then donated the rest to whatever charity would completely enrage the commies.
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Recall the woman who suggested students would die if they didn't get catering:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1785386376755900611
Her background:
I did a quick search and found that this lady, who refused to reveal her name, is named Johannah King-Slutzky.
She is a paid instructor & PhD candidate at Columbia studying "theories of the imagination & poetry as interpreted through a Marxian lens"
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In a bit of make you feel better news:
Commies at UNC Chapel Hill tried to do the "cut down the American Flag and replace it with the Palestinian flag" thing, and some frat boys objected, kept Old Glory from hitting the ground, and put it back up the pole.
(https://images.gofundme.com/iaj61eqjm0b-rJc4B06Vr4-WTRs=/720x405/https://d2g8igdw686xgo.cloudfront.net/79849885_1714571972425345_r.jpeg)
Just to drive home to the Commies how much everyone hates their stunts, someone started a gofundme to throw that frat a party. At the time of this post 7000 people have donated $217,000 to buy those kids a beer.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/pi-kappa-phi-men-defended-their-flag-throw-em-a-rager
I'm SHOCKED that we've not been subjected to 48 hours of "WHITE SUPREMACIST FASCISTS AT UNC VIOLENTLY OPPOSED PEACEFUL PROTESTORS blah blah blah" from CNN, MSNBC, NY Times etc.
I'm even more shocked that GoFundMe hasn't pulled this down as a completely unallowable project supporting white supremacist fascist violence.... but I guess they still have time to do that.
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Fell asleep but reviewing how this went down last night with my morning coffee.
Police were taking their time which was probably a wise move and largely out flanked the blockers by moving through the buildings. The protesters talked a big game but once the flash bangs started going off most of them pissed their pants and after that it was just a matter of mostly going around rounding them up. A few resisting here and there but most of just standing there with a "I want my mommy" look on their faces. Police herding large groups off. Still ongoing at this moment.
Next the clean up.
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"She is a paid instructor & PhD candidate at Columbia studying "theories of the imagination & poetry as interpreted through a Marxian lens"
Given her new set of bonafides, I'm wondering whether her first job will be at Yale or Harvard or at McDonald's...
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She is a paid instructor & PhD candidate at Columbia studying "theories of the imagination & poetry as interpreted through a Marxian lens"
Got to admit the universities know how to suck money from stupid people.
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Apparently the UCLA contingent built a plywood wall to "protect" themselves against being raided by police...
WTF? Where the hell did they get the plywood, when did they bring it in?
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Got to admit the universities know how to suck money from stupid people.
I wonder if her minor is in the interpretative dance of Lesbian Marxism?
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Apparently the UCLA contingent built a plywood wall to "protect" themselves against being raided by police...
WTF? Where the hell did they get the plywood, when did they bring it in?
Didn't work. Maybe they should have studied medieval siege warfare instead of Marxist poetry :rofl:
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I'm SHOCKED that we've not been subjected to 48 hours of "WHITE SUPREMACIST FASCISTS AT UNC VIOLENTLY OPPOSED PEACEFUL PROTESTORS blah blah blah" from CNN, MSNBC, NY Times etc.
I'm even more shocked that GoFundMe hasn't pulled this down as a completely unallowable project supporting white supremacist fascist violence.... but I guess they still have time to do that.
Maybe media has realized that stance isn't making Biden and the dems look good during an election year with the more middle ground voters so they've decided to tone it down for the time being.
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Still rounding them up
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Didn't work. Maybe they should have studied medieval siege warfare instead of Marxist poetry :rofl:
Of course it didn't work. You expect these soft-as-veal morons to know anything about building stuff?
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Maybe media has realized that stance isn't making Biden and the dems look good during an election year with the more middle ground voters so they've decided to tone it down for the time being.
More than a few Dems have been whispering the dreaded W word about Biden's lack of engagement on this issue...
WEAK.
*expletive deleted*it, he'd have to address the issue for 24 hours straight just to get up to the very bottom of weak.
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Daylight and what a mess.
This is your colleges on communism
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Didn't work. Maybe they should have studied medieval siege warfare instead of Marxist poetry :rofl:
Of course it didn't work. You expect these soft-as-veal morons to know anything about building stuff?
Their efforts reminded me of CHOP, or what ever they were called, thinking they were farmers and thinking a few square meters of cardboard on dirt could feed a city.
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Of course it didn't work. You expect these soft-as-veal morons to know anything about building stuff?
Considering how much of that "structure" was held together with literal zip ties....
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An updated needs list just came out:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMhsEyZWcAE5ip3?format=jpg&name=medium)
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Left out
Che posters
Cry towels
Coloring books
Pronoun cards
Adult unisex diapers
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An updated needs list just came out:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMhsEyZWcAE5ip3?format=jpg&name=medium)
I want to laugh at that, but I really don't think it's a joke...
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Left out
Che posters
Cry towels
Coloring books
Pronoun cards
Adult unisex diapers
Based on past reports, don't forget rape counseling.
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Just when you thought the left's supporters couldn't get any stupider, Michael Moore steps up...
https://www.foxnews.com/media/michael-moore-warns-biden-pull-plug-israel-aid-risk-losing-election
Some of the best take aways...
""This is wrong. This is not what we believe in" as Catholics, he continued."
Thank God Catholics don't believe in supporting Israel's action in Gaza, but they do apparently believe in abortion. Phew!
And, stepping back to the "mostly peaceful protestor" tripe...
"None of them are committing any acts of violence. None of them are destroying the university. The worst, maybe in some people‘s minds, is holding signs let‘s say, ‘Free Palestine’ or ‘From the river to the sea.’ This is the one that is constantly being thrown out there. Oh, look at this, this, the sign is frightening all the students, ‘From the river to the sea ’and it‘s like, well, why don‘t you talk to them?" he asked.
And Jews feeling unsafe on Campus? UNPOSSIBLE! Palestinians are semites, so everyone's good!
He doubled down after being asked about Jewish students feeling unsafe on campus. Moore said Palestinians were "semites" so that the vast majority of protesters weren't antisemitic.
He also questioned the legitimacy of reports claiming protesters have waved terrorist flags and chanted in support of Hamas.
"This is all a made-up thing," he said. "The real victims in these last decades have been the Palestinian people," Moore continued."
The guy continues to push the bar on how big a piece of idiotic *expletive deleted*it someone can be.
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Jabba rarely leaves his palace anymore
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Thank God Catholics don't believe in supporting Israel's action in Gaza, but they do apparently believe in abortion. Phew!
Someone in the comments of a live feed made the comment along the lines that those who are against abortion are for genocide. :O
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CHARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGE!
SNERK!
Damn it, I can't figure out how to link the video directly...
Portland State University, group of protestors charge at police, I guess in an attempt to escape. The two leading the charge have "shields" cut from plastic trash bins.
It didn't go so well...
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Free PALE STINB6
https://www.opb.org/article/2024/05/02/portland-state-war-protest-police-clear-library/
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CHARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGE!
SNERK!
Damn it, I can't figure out how to link the video directly...
Portland State University, group of protestors charge at police, I guess in an attempt to escape. The two leading the charge have "shields" cut from plastic trash bins.
It didn't go so well...
https://twitter.com/JHolmsted/status/1786072024013492452
Further down is the Benny Hill edit
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Also further down
https://twitter.com/QualityReplyGuy/status/1786092230794428532
We are soooo F'ed
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Scott Adams on the UNC
protests riots:
https://scottadams.locals.com/post/5587108/robots-read-news-about-unc-protesters
(NSFW language)
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Says collage encampments were being planned and money being funneled for back in Nov
Follow the money
https://twitter.com/RealPatrickWebb/status/1785736935496974337
COLLUSION: Damning Thread Shows Plans for Campus Unrest Started in November
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/05/02/damning-thread-on-fundingplanning-of-campus-protests-started-in-november-n2395799
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The Ken and Barbie of the intifada:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1785665509775573020
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The Ken and Barbie of the intifada:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1785665509775573020
That would have been part of a comedy sketch just a few years ago.
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That would have been part of a comedy sketch just a few years ago two weeks ago.
FTFY
bob
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The Ken and Barbie of the intifada:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1785665509775573020
From the comments:
"That’s some weird Renaissance Faire."
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The Ken and Barbie of the intifada:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1785665509775573020
Hmmm ...
Be prepared to support the students ... and everybody else mobilizing for a free Palestinian [inaudible]
So much for the grass roots student protest narrative.
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So, how do you denounce anti-semitism AND pander to Muslims and terrorists at the same time?
Be Joe Biden.
Jesus Christ.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-brings-up-islamophobia-amid-worst-antisemitism-outbreak-decades
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I just saw on the teevee that more than half the arrests across the country are turning out to be non-students at those universities. Gee, what a surprise.
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I just saw on the teevee that more than half the arrests across the country are turning out to be non-students at those universities. Gee, what a surprise.
I'm surprised that there are that few professional protestors mobilizing.
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So, how do you denounce anti-semitism AND pander to Muslims and terrorists at the same time?
Be Joe Biden.
Jesus Christ.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-brings-up-islamophobia-amid-worst-antisemitism-outbreak-decades
I'm almost going to sound like I'm defending Brandon here. I read that story this morning, as well as some of the comments, which of course, being Fox viewers, were calling him a commie. Then in my Reddit feed, I saw a topic with the same story from some commie source, and pretty much 99% of the comments were basically calling Biden a Jew lover and agent of Israel for saying anything at all about the protests.
We know Biden took his time saying anything at all because his GenZ handlers are sympathetic to that Reddit crowd. I think the only reason they had him say the milquetoast thing he did here is because as these protests go on and become more crazy and violent, they were seeing way too many mainstream dems starting to question things. It was just interesting to me to see that absolute hate for him in that thread for saying anything at all that wasn't cheerleading the protestors.
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Besides the obvious backlash this will trigger he's offering jobs to people who will show up when they FEEL like it and we all know how often that will occur.
The CEO of male hair loss company HIMS has sparked furious backlash and threats of a boycott after he offered jobs to university students protesting in support of Palestine.
Andrew Dudum, who identifies as Palestinian-American, voiced support for the student protesters across US campuses on X.
'Moral courage > College degree,' the CEO, 35, wrote on Wednesday.
'If you’re currently protesting against the genocide of the Palestinian people & for your university’s divestment from Israel, keep going. It’s working. There are plenty of companies & CEOs eager to hire you, regardless of university discipline.
Dudum then shared a link to apply for a job at HIMS, an online pharmacy that also includes the HERS brand and offers products for erectile dysfunction, anxiety and skincare.
"erectile dysfunction, anxiety" Perfect for his new "employees":rofl:
CEO of hair loss company HIMS sparks outrage and a boycott by offering campus protesters jobs
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13379387/hims-ceo-andrew-dudum-boycott-campus-protest-palestine-israel.html
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Besides the obvious backlash this will trigger he's offering jobs to people who will show up when they FEEL like it and we all know how often that will occur.
erectile dysfunction, anxiety :rofl:
CEO of hair loss company HIMS sparks outrage and a boycott by offering campus protesters jobs
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13379387/hims-ceo-andrew-dudum-boycott-campus-protest-palestine-israel.html
I also saw that the Iranian government is offering free tuition at one of their universities to all the morons who get expelled here. Seems to me that it should be a win-win. They, including the gay and tranny ones, should be super excited to get a free university education in Iran while supporting their cause. Maybe another rich fellow traveler can offer free airfare to Iran.
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I also saw that the Iranian government is offering free tuition at one of their universities to all the morons who get expelled here. Seems to me that it should be a win-win. They, including the gay and tranny ones, should be super excited to get a free university education in Iran while supporting their cause. Maybe another rich fellow traveler can offer free airfare to Iran.
A required class for gay and tranny students will meet on the rooftop at noon where you can enjoy the view and fresh air during class. First subject discussed will be gravity and it's effects with a demonstration. Student participation is required with the demonstration. All gay and tranny students are required to pass this class with flying colors, no exceptions.
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From an email from a Columbia professor to his class. No final exam, and everyone gets an A. Is Columbia going to allow professors to literally not do their jobs? pic.twitter.com/X4KukVg7q1
— David Bernstein (@ProfDBernstein) May 3, 2024
Columbia Professor Awards All Students A's and Cancels Final Exam Citing 'Current Conditions'
https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2024/05/03/colubmia-professor-giving-the-whole-class-an-a-n2395864
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Columbia Professor Awards All Students A's and Cancels Final Exam Citing 'Current Conditions'
https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2024/05/03/colubmia-professor-giving-the-whole-class-an-a-n2395864
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Will that A transfer credit to the University of Tehran?
If not, I'd be really, really pissed.
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Will that A transfer credit to the University of Tehran?
If not, I'd be really, really pissed.
Will get them a job in the Biden 2025-2029 administration
Or McDonald's
Or HIMS
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Columbia Professor Awards All Students A's and Cancels Final Exam Citing 'Current Conditions'
https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2024/05/03/colubmia-professor-giving-the-whole-class-an-a-n2395864
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Columbia joins Harvard in the garbage heap of worthless degrees.
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Megyn Kelly speaks some truth, which in a round about way makes us all God's gift to women. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/khZVcwxOzkk
bob
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Columbia joins Harvard in the garbage heap of worthless degrees.
I'm finding it fascinating that we have come to a point opposite of where we were in years past, where it now appears you have to show more academic excellence to get into a state college than to get into an Ivy League school (e.g., David Hogg).
The "lesser" universities still want to see high SAT scores, but the Ivy Leagues will take any moron with a micro-grievance against society. We can only hope that big business will smarten up and avoid Ivy League job applicants. Of course the gov will still welcome them with open arms, unless Trump gets in and can do something about the deep state.
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Megyn Kelly speaks some truth, which in a round about way makes us all God's gift to women. ;)
=D
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CHARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGE!
SNERK!
Damn it, I can't figure out how to link the video directly...
Portland State University, group of protestors charge at police, I guess in an attempt to escape. The two leading the charge have "shields" cut from plastic trash bins.
It didn't go so well...
https://twitter.com/JHolmsted/status/1786072024013492452
Further down is the Benny Hill edit
You knew the BB wasn't going to let that pass them by
10 Ways To Beat The Fascist Police Coming To Arrest You For Supporting Palestine
https://babylonbee.com/news/10-ways-to-beat-the-fascist-police-coming-to-arrest-you-for-supporting-palestine
2. Cut a piece of a Rubbermaid trash can to use as a shield and charge directly into a platoon of cops all by yourself: You'll be unstoppable.
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"Leeroy Jenkins!"
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A required class for gay and tranny students will meet on the rooftop at noon where you can enjoy the view and fresh air during class. First subject discussed will be gravity and it's effects with a demonstration. Student participation is required with the demonstration. All gay and tranny students are required to pass this class with flying colors, no exceptions.
That's some high level sarcasm right there, A+
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Elon has a poll going
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1786054505873781005
Elon Musk
@elonmusk
Proposed law: if someone tears down the American flag and puts up another flag in its place, that person should get a free (but mandatory) one-way trip to that flag’s country
So far it's 79.9% yes
Edit: Never mind, that's the final result
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Update from UCLA:
https://twitter.com/TheMossadIL/status/1786290070669938703
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>:D You know how cockroaches scatter like mad when a light is turned on at night?
How quickly would these "encampments" scatter if multiple packs of firecrackers, esp. those "long chain" types (500 plus) bundles were thrown in their midst? >:D :rofl:
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You know, El Salvador took care of their problem by mass incarceration of gang members. I see a potential model for solving our problems here.
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You know, El Salvador took care of their problem by mass incarceration of gang members. I see a potential model for solving our problems here.
Canada is to get pissed off real fast if we started shipping our problem people north across their border
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The NY Times has a big article today that blames ALL of the violence at UCLA on the counter protestors.
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The NY Times has a big article today that blames ALL of the violence at UCLA on the counter protestors.
I think of the NYTs as a Babylon Bee without the humor.
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Now we have far right wing MAGA white supremacist violence
A black woman got taunted and got called *gasp* Lizzo
Oh and supposedly someone made monkey sounds
Covington 2.0? The Hiil Says GOP Rep. Applauds Counter-Protesters Who Taunted Black Woman
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/05/04/the-hill-gop-rep-applauds-counter-protesters-who-taunted-black-woman-n2395884
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Not enough information to know if he accidentally turned down the wrong street or planned on confronting protestors:
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/05/04/student-protesters-trash-car-that-targeted-them-this-wasnt-an-accident-n2395886
My only question is the bear spray, which someone might have been carrying to attack protestors, or that someone might have been carrying because it's Portland.
The "We the People" I will not even consider, because I'm sick of these aholes equating the Constitution, flag, and anything even slightly patriotic as "extremism and domestic terrorism". That *expletive deleted*it needs to stop, and if hippies need to die to stop it, FAFO. This is all getting out of control.